Came from mid 8th edition, I had gotten tired of the hyper-lethality, power gaming, meta-chasing, and legions of grey. I had a buddy who had been in for over a decade, he told me right away what 30K was about and what was typically normal and what wasn't. Told me all the ins and outs of it, templates, armor value, and the rules. But he emphasized, lore accuracy, WYSIWYG, and make it fluffy. I fell in love with 30k and haven't touched 40k since. So while I can't say I'm a long time fan/member of the 30k system. I love and respect it, and believe that people should be allowed in but should have a thorough understanding of what the spirit of 30k is and that it's not a game to be meta-chasing in.

It always amazes me the people who come into a hobby looking to change it vs actually learning about it- what draws such a person to a hobby? And now for something constructive- Macca: can we one day get a video or post about the various decal sheets and what each one means for different armies? I have found some info on unification wars and crusade symbols but not a consistent list or explanation for a lot of the symbols. Thanks in advance!

I personally like 40ks wild west feel, but I am in the minority that likes making my own stories and crusades with 40k, and it'd lore. I do believe we need to drive others to do better

I love how their motto for the 30K era is to stop the traitor assault on Terra. If I was there, I'd be leading the assault myself.

"If you can't respect them, why should they respect you?" Perfect!

Something funny: at my local GW store, I was the lonely HH player. Suddenly, for a couple of weeks, I have been the weird guy who cares about lore and accuracy in the HH. Everyone else is looking to build broken lists. As a 30k player I want to have fun and to play to enjoy an afternoon. I do not care at all about winning. I trully fear that they are going to turn the HH into something close to the current 40k. The new rules does not help in that sense either.

gate keeping does not always equal a bad thing, it is always the reason why that determines that.

Onboard to uphold the HH community in Australia as it stands. I was one of those EX 40k players that got into it with Betrayal at Calth. I was nervous about painting to the standard of others in the community. Thankfully I talked to them voices my concerns and they did nothing but encourage me. We spent hours debating lore friendly formations and army structure. If you want to be apart of the Horus Heresy Community they will welcome you and even mentor you with open hearts and hands. This community is worth gatekeeping.

Take note 40K'ers, take note....

very well said macca me and a couple of mates are currently getting ramped up to get into heresy whilst fleeing 40k 9th ed. at first it was "its ok we will use our current space marines and play the new system to save time and money" but after long nights of listening to lore and discussing our chosen legions amongst ourselves we have already become so immersed that we have all ordered appropriate upgrade sprues and era appropraite marks of armour because we cant stand the idea of half arsing the historical aspect of the game. the whole reason we fell out of love with 9th ed to begin with was things like seeing 30 sanguinary guard in a game in some ungodly combo when having that many in a single pitched battle in the fluff is a rediculous idea. i will do my best to respect your stomping ground as long as i am not assumed to be less passionate simply for not having a ten year legacy with the system. cheers for the videos hopefully the internet will be kind to you for this well balanced opinion :).

👏👏👏 This is a great video on protecting your fandom. Maintaining standards is not gatekeeping.

I think there will most defiantly be some animosity between old 30k players and new 30k players. The ones who only have played 40k 8th/9th edition will complain about how their system is better and try to convince us that CPs are great (CPs suck!). Older 30k players will care less about tournaments and more about the story of HH and the purity of the game. I think the thing I will hate most about rookies to 30k will be those who try to build lists that milk every advantage, but don't keep to the spirit of the game. I play 30k because I love the lore and the spirit of the game. I've played GW games since '96 and 3rd/4th edition 40k, Fantasy 7th edition, and Horus heresy are my favorites. Horus Heresy is #1!

I’m coming in to the system and this is exactly what I expect and even tho I’m gonna 3D print lots of it I’m gonna go my best to be lore accurate and fully painted. I’ve been so desperate I’ve just been playing OPR so I’m really excited to be apart of it.

Its not overly protective...its protective, their responses are proportional to keeping the balance ...

I was literally scripting a video on a 40k player's (my) opinions on the coming intermingling of 30k and 40k players with the new box set and this turns up in my subscriber feed xD Great listen as always! Looking forward to giving my limited perspective.

One of the things that make me uneasy is seeing people say something to the effect of "I would like/play it if there was more support for xenos factions instead of just marines vs marines". I'm all for more flexibility, especially to run Crusade era battles, but at some point it's just obvious that they would be playing 40k if they didn't think the system was fucked. HH is a purely Imperium focused setting by it's very nature, but GW might pander to these people if they think there's enough profit.

The subtext comparing 2012/13 within this could well be: The More Things Change, The More Things Stay The Same

im a 40k player. im coming over haha. ive always liked (most of) the conversion kits and models from forge world, and with more plastic coming out is a little easier to convert and integrate hopefully. i wont stop playing 40k, but i think it will be nice to be able to work on a more slow burn dedicated army for heresy on the side, perhaps some dark angel fallen precursors, as black shields maybe but we'll see as the project takes form. i think it will be sweet to explore the start of that part of the heresy through the building of an army, in addition to reading up on lore and the broader setting. having said that, thanks for the tips!

Let the outrage begin.

Gatekeep harder! 2.0 is their Grond!

The narrative is so important to me that I've effectivly left the 40k hobby and moved to the skirmish games. I would have moved to 30k but the FW expense was too high for me.

I think approaching 30k with the attitude that it’s more of a historical based game is a good mindset. Unlike 40k which is a constantly evolving story, 30k is more or less a retelling of events that have already transpired. Hence why there is such a huge emphasis on story and accuracy,

Just because you were there first doesn't mean you have the right to the system.

as someone who only paints, this is educating

A few years ago, I spitballed a few crazy fluff ideas, you know, concepts along the lines of hello kitty space marines and other crazy ideas for 30k using the blackshields rules. I was vehemently called out for my ideas as I didn’t understand back then the difference between the 30k and 40k mindsets I’m regards to fluffy lists. It was a sobering experience, but one I don’t regret having since I now understand the 30k community better and understand why they are so concerned with gatekeeping.

Goddamn, Macca- that one video probably summed up my feelings about the Heresy Community and the 40K community better than any Gospel-length comment of mine ever could. Cheers, mate- I wish that every new person interested in 30K, or 40K-er who’s now changing focus could have as good a guide to enjoying the world of the Heresy as I have had. (And that would be The Outer Circle.)

Gatekeeping in hobbies is good.

Gate keeping is a necessity

I'm a 40k player looking into playing 30k and I love the whole vibe of 30k, army's always look stunning and some of conversion work is league's above anything I have seen before and that's awesome. I have found it slightly off putting with the amount of rage around the new models for example, but I get that 30k players will not like 40kish styles in 30k. I am basically just trying to say that although there definitely are 40k players that will just play for advantage and are not exactly into the hobby side of it there are a fair amount of us that prefer narrative over playing to win. Myself and the group I play with are all looking at jumping to 30k because it looks more fun than 40k's not so great narrative system. TLDR we aren't all dickheads although unfortunately a few of us are.

Considering every poll ever done shows the majority of 40K players play super casual and narrative games every other month or so, I can’t say I’ve ever agreed with your generalization of 40K players. Frankly, from the stories in the comments and from what bit you’ve said it sounds like y’all encountered super competitive local metas. Which are definitely a thing, but a very small minority of 40K players in general. And therefore don’t even work as a generalization of a large group.

Hey macca great video! I’d love a video detailing your opinions on what kind of kits GW need to produce in order for plastic heresy to succeed and that are best for the hobby

All for Gatekeeping.

One of the few videos of yours where I’m finding myself agreeing with basically everything you say. Not that that’s a bad thing, I still come back every video because I appreciate the breath of differing opinions and viewpoints. The community and their staunch “gatekeeping” has been one of the core reasons I love HH, this ours, don’t fucking touch it, don’t look at it wrong, just enjoy it and further it.

There is a difference between "painting bad" and being new to painting. Painting bad: Dipping models in paint, refusing to clean mould lines, only using two or three colors, or just quitting after the primer.

as a semi new 30k player i will have to agree with the standard for painting and playing. been trying to play heresy since 2018 when i entered 40k and found out about this massive civil war and the detail and attention people put into their models. I dont power game and infact my main 40k armies are the imperial guard as i love the idea of normal humans ganging up on demonic demigods and standing a decent chance of killing them, and the other is Black legion which i dont even take an optimal list for, its just abaddon some terminators and some chaos spawn that is it as i like the idea that if the terminators dare fail him their fate is to become a replacment chaos spawn. with heresy i run two legions depending on how i feel like playing that day, if i want to play agressive I use my Blood Angels, if i just want to have a more tactical game i use my deathguard. I have spend six hours just painting up one model for my Blood Angels and I know it's not perfect until i can write the small scripture across their pauldrons and add the chipping to the boots. my other army, the death guard, they're deliberatly dirty, not to the point of it being just mess but their white armor is stained brown in the lower sections, their green pauldrons have chips of silver and the gold trims have been hit with so many brown washes it may as well be bronze. each of my models is there to tell a story from a deathguard who is missing half their arm and covered in painted on gauges to my Blood Angel who's armor is pristine and only a thin sheen of dust covers their boots. I know it will get harder to do this as the army expands but i want to try.

Been asking myself "how long until an Amber dropping a Deuce reference" now I know

Actually heresy rules look fun, but the prices are heresy it self

I’m new to HH. Gatekeep the Hell out of it. I read the books and always enjoyed the setting but I felt like it was somehow inaccessible. I’m here for what the culture is.

Okay I'm gonna add onto what you said about the participation compliments. There are a ton of absolutely amazing artists out there that put so much work into what they do and get maybe a handful of likes, maybe have a few hundred followers. Then you've got spedtimecharlie who slaps on a quick coat of contrast paint, doesn't bother to shave mold lines, or drill barrels or anything and rakes in an insane amount of publicity.

What has me worried about wanting to hop over into 30k is my gf who adamantly supports my hobby cuz of how much it helps my mental health plays eldar, and I have an ungodly amount of guard. I’m very worried she wouldn’t be able to play with me or my guard would have too much 40K regalia to fit. I love the “historical” vibes and worry my guardsmen don’t fit it.

This really feels like gatekeeping. I have gotten recommended this channel a few times over the past couple months and I know at least two of the videos I have watched have been, for lack of a more polite word, whining. The negativity kinda turns me off. I hope to see more positivity in your videos as I explore the channel as I delve into the Horus Heresy new edition.

I have a problem with the duelling tone that seems to come out of this video. On one hand it’s seemingly saying welcome new players but on the other hand it’s saying stay away unless you do things exactly how we tell you to. It’s a game. Yes the hobby aspect is important but to many people that’s the secondary part. Should people put effort into it? Yes but that’s on them on how they choose to enjoy their hobby (either building,painting, playing or a combination there of). If someone ever gave me crap for not drilling barrels I might actually punch them.

My only problem with the Gategeekping is when a player (like myself, who owns a massive heresy army) wants to homebrew rules for factions like Orks and Eldar who were in the heresy. The amount of sneers and shaking heads I get is discouraging as, I like 30k more than 10e 40k but I want to play a different faction then Marines once in a while. Thats my 2 cents, otherwise I completely agree with you

A few other things: 1) from what I've heard of my local HH group, Primarchs are not rare sights, uncommon maybe, but not rare. Could be just my local. 2) Arbitrary blocking people from the system is not gatekeeping, that's being an ass. Gatekeeping is keeping people that CANNOT fit in the established community out. And don't confuse the cannots/willnots with those that are new and learning. Go on adapt a new player, if they show up with a grey or chapter painted primaris force but are willing to learn apply some pressure for them to get a proper HH force (and remember GW runs expensive games so be reasonable about shit) let 'em proxy as they learn what they like. Relistening to the video Macca already covers most of what I've said so.... eh? 3) Fuck you, 8th ed start off good... enough. GW has a long history of fucking shit up.

Best thing about being a Titanicus player is it's not popular enough to attract a huge following, and GW isn't trying to turn it into a cash cow. Yet. It might change if Epic ever comes back. Plus, it tends to produce a lot of high-end paint schemes, because people treat their titans like centrepieces, and it makes sense from an in-lore perspective.

Spot on!

Well said chief, I'm a 40k player Idk for how much longer only really got into the game the start of 9th and have already soured on the system, I respect the 30k community for striving to stay true to itself, if I decide to join I'll do my upmost to fit in with this frankly in my opinion better community.

There'll probably be another influx of 40K players into Heracy with this new boxset, alot of firstborn fans and an entire army of updated firstborn that can be fully used as a standard force in both systems and an opportunity for firstborn people to dip their toes into Heracy. Whether this will be good for Heracy or not will just come with time.

I completely agree with you on this. I joined in the Horus Heresy 4/5 years ago with the introduction of the Betrayal at Calth/Burning of Prospero. With the "1st wave" of 40k players. I had got sick of 7th ed with all the shenanigans and busted codex's (I played Orks, Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines". I now feel like I am starting to gatekeep a bit. A 40k player interested in joining the Heresy system had this to say on the Crusade and Heresy FB page "Comming over from 40k I'm interested in heresy now that 2.0 is comming, what army/models should I look at buying? Not to fussed on which faction just want somthing strong." I was completely disgusted and thought this is exactly the reason most of us left. The fact he didn't care what he plays as longs as it's a powerful faction, was all he need to say. Before I was like "change your mindset".

I’ve been dropped out of 40k since 7th. Only play Dark Heresy, and Rouge Trader. I just got priced out of the hobby. Cant justify the expense.

The man speaks the truth.

My local group in Texas plays with primarchs fairly regularly. But I agree with the rest of this tho

My local group loves Primarchs as display pieces and the like, but we only ever take one if we agree before to take one each and build a fluffy conflict list against each other to fit a narrative that actually makes SENSE to bring Primarchs into it

I remember playing against a 40k mete player in hh he well used the big neutron laser tank... it didn't last long let alone the meta army. Got love boarding shields

I ran into a problem with the hobby, I started at the end of 8th and was really excited for 9th. I play Orks, they got rid of a lot of fluffy rules for them that I used every chance I could; my lists were shit so I could pull these off. Now they just sit on my shelf, 9th has nothing to offer. The new edition has sparked that interest again, and I can't wait for it to come out. I hope it's something that remains deep and interesting, something to take a little serious.

I respect 30k, the players who play that system, and their opinions. Even though I personally have only had experience with 40k.

That distinction is essential to understand this game and helped me very much! Edit is to add additional thoughts. It is a hard balancing act between growth and ensuring a level of purity in the fan base. To be clear I am not using purity in a pejorative way. On the one hand seeing growth is good because GW sees more dollars and might support more but on the other If that growth eventually results in the community’s voice changing character somewhat the game changes to become something new. We see this often with other fandoms marvel/halo/etc trying to broaden the appeal at the expense of the community that allowed the system to exist in the first place. Growth for growths sake has to be looked upon with skepticism, that goes double for GW I think so this new heresy box set, if affordable might be a double edged sword for the game.

I kinda wish 40k was treated like heresy i know i could switch to heresy but i just like 40ks narrative more

Been playing 40K since 6th edition, so I’m excited to play HH. I haven’t been playing a lot of 40K since Dallas Open 2021. With how most of my game group going meta, it gets boring. Trying get some people to play HH, but the only response I get it, “hurr durr that’s just marine on marine combat.” No shit, but I understand not being able to certain models/factions.

It's funny, I am just entering into 30k.. I've collected the models for 40k, but have never played a game due to covid. All the Warhammer books I've read and lore I've looked up was on the HH. I was quite nervous about coming into 30k because my favorite part of the hobby is converting and trying to have a high level of craft that goes along with my models. So I asked my local group... Hey I'm just joining, I'm not sure which army yet, but I really like converting and doing something a little different, what do you think. They gave me some great advice, they pointed out parts of the lore which fit with what I wanted like late Heresy WB or EC. Something I never even considered. Since then I've been trying to find the right shade of pink for my late Heresy EC to relive that scene out of the siege of Terra where their allies look at the EC in shock and see them with repainted armour...

Good, gatekeep the hobby. That'll do more to save it than letting GW shit on it like they have on 40k.

Hey Macca, hey random reader of this comment, me and my gaming group want to switch from W40k to Horus Heresy (no, we are not that kind of guys, dont worry). We were always interested in the lore more than in building lists or buying the newest ugly shit. Primaris are fucking stupid! I hope thats enough of a statement. Here comes the question: Do you recommend us to try as beginners the new Horus Heresy rules or do you advice us to stick to the "old" rules published by FW? Luckily we have access to them via an overfilled Ebay with Horus Heresy Black Books and the red books (army lists) - a lot of people sell their HH things at the moment. In generell, do you think the majority of the Horus Heresy community (I mean the old guard!) will stick to the old rules or start playing the new rules? As I said, we want to leave W40k behind to start collecting, painting and gaming with grownups who value their hobby (have kids, family, so normal people). Thanks for your opinion!

I'm enjoying 40k, but I don't hate losing, I just like playing games, I've considered getting back into 30k, but it's just not a thing in my gaming group any more.

the mainstream bandwagon comes to destroy, not to enjoy. it will come to your hobby, ruin it, demand it change, and then when they see its dead (not by them they'll say) they'll leave for the next "bandwagon" leaving the ruins of a game. the question is, did the real fans of it survive? are they able to rebuild the game they love from the pieces left behind? or did to many flee or the changes to much, and leave it beyond saving you see it with video games often enough. the mainstream comes, it destroys, it moves on. mainstream isn't a blessing, its a death sentence.

I'm admittedly new to Heresy but I see no issue with gatekeeping, when used right. My other hobby is ttrpgs and it is a must to gatekeep group. Very specifically people who are bullies or are not here for the hobby. I gatekeep those who put real world politics into the game or server. I had fallings out with my old dnd over this because I refused to give moral lectures to people. In the case of Heresy the existing fandom has something they enjoy a certain way. That's a good thing and if it's not your cup of tea play with different people. It's a good thing to encourage the hobby space you want to see.

I've not played 30k, and haven't played 40k in years because as you say, it's terrible. But I will say that every 30k army I've seen at local tournaments and clubs have been consistently gorgeous.

I build my current list with Leman Russ in mind only because I know I will face Horus Lupercal. Otherwise I would love to field some super haevy tank painted and converted to look like a vlka vehicle.

As a returning player from 40k 4th ed, who has been playing OPRs fantasy for a year. I'm choosing to play 30k because I remember playing 4th Ed with mainly Space marine players: Using a handful of codexes; kitbashed and well loved units ect... I'm unlikely to play 40k as currently stands because there are too many books. 30k is everything I'm looking for and the 'Gate-keeping' is required to maintain this appeal.

Man if you want to cultivate a community of players that want to play like you stop worrying about what a new influx of players will do to the whole gaming community. You’d be far better off starting your own gaming group. You don’t have to worry about most of this stuff if you’re setting up a space where narrative and accuracy is whats happening. You’ve got no hope of controlling the whole community and you shouldn’t try. Just make sure you’re playing with the people who enjoy the same kind of game you do and be open to new people who like the same thing. There’s nothing wrong with saying this is what we do in this group and barring people so long as it’s your group and you’ve made it obvious that the whole group is aimed at a narrative play style.

Gatekeep to hell please!, I do not play 30k but damn I have seen many things I love get destroyed over the last couple of years, be it comics, most tv shows and movies are trash bow, games getting worse, major franchises are a joke and are not what they are etc... Major lore breaking thing issues (Star Wars is the biggest example of this because Disney ruins everything) I saw a creator on paint old metal raptors for 30k full of gold trim and everything looking totally 40k ha I love the idea of 30k it looks like great fun.

I’ll admit it I’m a 40k person there’s a lot of things I like but HH has grabbed my attention more because the lore and just some of the rule of cool units hence why my Homebrew NightLords got the mark 3 and 4 marines and Contemptor Dreadnought I honestly don’t even know what I’m doing I’m just painting and putting the minis together the rules are changing too much for me to catch up and play propy

Hate to say but 30k community is starting to become worse than 9th players. 30k players are going super sweaty now. Entire army's of nothing but ap 2. Army's that care more about being op then fluffy. Even gatekeeping is starting to go corrupt in my area.

In the US, the Horus Heresy game is non existent. I find that you need to travel in order to get in a game of HH. As far as the rules go, I don't care what the game looks like as long as its fun. 7th was great, 8th/9th are just fine too. If it means I will have more players, I will be happy. The only thing I'm a gate keeper on is painting the army up and aesthetics. I want to play against a 30K force. I went out and purchased the FW kits to make my marines Dark Angels. I want to see my opponent do the same thing. If you're not going to paint your White Scars a white color, at least have a reason why. Oh those white scars painted black are repentent traitors. Oh your red Raven Guard are traitors who followed Horus. Your Legion hasn't broken up to create your chapter yet. Pick one of the 18 legions. That is what makes the game fun - the historical aspect of the game.

It often is absolutely gatekeeping. Some 30k players really should try to help new players fit the system, before going into full asshole mode.

It is up to the 30k community to ensure we keep our standard and expect the new comers to maych it, not lower the standard to accommodate them. I see it as if I'm atop the Servian Wall seeing the approaching Huns. These barbarians will pillage and destroy 30k, massacring the player base as they leave in digust of all the grey power gamer armies. As soon as the horde arrived, they will leave when the next shiney comes along (10th ed) without a second thought for the 30k community that must rebuild. Rome was never great after the sacking of the Huns,. Be in not doubt, 30k won't be either

Historical, blood bowl and titanicus player coming over after finding a cheap copy of calth. Planning salamanders mainly cause of the colour scheme. Mac, are you going to be updating your getting started series with the new edition?

Welcoming people based on being who you want them to be is still gatekeeping .... this idea that being a gatekeeper is exactly the same as being an arsehole is just not true ...its there to stop your unique experience being ruined ....40k people gatekeep, they expect to play by rules, they expect a certain level of standard to play ..ie 3 colours....they expect more than marbles representing models ..... its just 30 k is "gatekeeping"(hate using these words put in place just to demean certain groups with standards because they themselves have none) because there is more to lose, the standard is higher and its much harder to hold a semblance of order than it is to allow chaos....i say, you be conscious of the small but loud minority , instead of fighting just let them whittle you down .... even chaos is control ...it controls that you have no order, its not quite gatekeeping to force your system into a new grey goo mess ...but im sure there is a word thats just as damning ...if people use it enough.

Man your actually putting me off hh it’s a game. I’m a polite chap as long as I follow the rules of the game I don’t see there should ever be an issue. But I now feel like if I have a good list pepole may not like me. This just seems silly

I finished my hh army about a year before the age of darkness box and only played against 2 people cuz no one played hh.... now all I play against is hordes of gray mk 6 marines and spartan tanks XP I get why but I wish more people would actually paint their models and not all have beaky marines XP

Honestly, I'm open to trying 30k, but I'm curious if Solar Auxilla will continue to get rules support in the future, cause I just don't enjoy marines thay much.

im gonna be honest, 30k is likely to move towards what 40k is inevitably just because migration into new systems changes smaller communities. Games workshop is shite at writing content and rules in general- in all of their systems, be they 30k or 40k. The aesthetic is going to change, the players are going to change, and the community will too- and whilst shits gonna suck, its inevitable. The system is going to change heavily over the next 3 years and the community will need to change too, or its gonna be fucked frankly. i fucking hate to say it but the game will need to utterly change in the following years, especially in line with the new aesthetic that appears supported.

Been wanting to get into the system out of curiosity. Wanted to play iron warriors and was wondering how people might feel if I went marine heavy as I feel that is close to how they waged war in the heresy. Things like the iron circle being rare and only ever seen with Pert if I am not mistaken. Form I have done with my research it seems me not wanting to take a ton of those large robots is viewed as a good thing.

I would love to get into HH but there is no one I know in the local aria I know who plays it. I love the asthetics of HH and the fact as you said it plays more like a historic game and it would be awesome to play something where you could see where things might have went if serton factions lost or won that particular battle. I do get the gate Keeping by the HH players I kind of do that with 1st ed Necromunda.

I have always liked heresy from the sidelines, cant afford to play nor anyone else play in the area I am in. However, I have painted some DG here and there, and the want to look more weathered, look more battle-hardened, look more like a heresy style is what drove me, and its why I am coming back to miniature painting as a whole. I dont think I will build or paint or play heresy, but I understand why heresy players are the way they are, and often I agree with heresy players OVER 40k players. Here's hoping this new edition does grundle-fuck the community anymore than it needs to.

I mean, HH doesn't interest me cause it's basically just marines vs marines. Rather than primarchs duking it out. Sure, HH does have regular human factions but they're rarely updated and require spam to even have a chance of winning. No xenos either makes it boring as well. GW could potentially include Orks and Eldar, but Necrons are largely asleep. Then Nids and Tau don't even exist. I also prefer 40k's setting over HH. The 40k galaxy itself is a setting, existing across 10000 years you can play any period in, as well as anywhere across the galaxy. HH is much more limited in scope.

sorry but lotr, has the best consistent high level quality hobby. Heresy can only dream of having the quality of lotr

In fact, we must keep playing for the fun and the lore, the « hard » players searching for broken lists will clearly stand by their side. Just don’t be that old grumpy guy who reject new players 🤷‍♂️

Gatekeeping is the ONLY way you can guarantee your hobby doesn't get usurped by some asshole who just wants to warp it to their way of being before they fuck off looking to ruin something else. If hobby has no gatekeepers, it may not be worth getting into.

40k died with 8th ed.

this is how i feel about immigration

I'll happily buy the new army box that is coming out, I'll add it to my 40k army, and I can see a lot of others will do the same. Will this make Horus heresy 2.0 look more popular than it actually is? Probably, will that hurt the current playerbase, I think so. I won't be playing Horus heresy any time soon, so I guess we'll see how much longer the game system lasts when people who literally buy Horus heresy miniature don't even want to get involved with it.

This could have been better worded but I understand what you mean

Primarchs and their consequences have been a disaster for Warhammer Discourse and Game Design.

Coming in from 9e very soon with the new box release. Tired of sweatlord 40K players who flat out discouraged me from personalising and naming parts of my Guard army. I don’t care much about the meta, I play for those fun moments where my sergeant, last survivor in his squad, rolls really well and holds up against a plague marine in melee. Those moments I could visualize in my head, especially with how detailed my friend’s plague marines were.

YEEEEEEHHAAAWWWWWWWWW 🤠

I joined the Heresy community before the official rules were even released as part of the Great Crusade forums and played with the homebrew rules from the Tempus Fugitives events, I definitely fall into the definition Macca used of this is my last GW game. I want the game to thrive on the one hand but I'm also very sceptical of an influx of 40k players being a good thing. I guess we'll have to see how it all pans out. Maybe it will be another flash in the pan like Titanicus where it will get coverage for a couple of months then those who bought in will start to slink back to whatever games they came from?

I have always built fluffy lists, meta be damned. I tend to look at things from a different perspective, tactically, seeing value were others might not. I cut my teeth with rogue trader and the original realms of chaos books. those armies almost had to be thematic. I like to think that I am the kind of player that would fit well into the existing community. that being said, on the subject of gatekeeping, I don't believe that gatekeeping is ever a good thing. my experience has been "undesirable elements tend to grow bored rather quickly and sort themselves out. in the meantime, the community would most likely gain a fair amount a good players that fit well and build strong thematic forces that fit the setting.

Waiting for people to start playing heresy games with full primaris..... 0__o

Tthis new launch of heresy has a much better chance of bringing over people genuinely interested in a balanced and stable ruleset with narrative play priortised because the BL novels and YT lore vids have stirred interest to a fever pitch and people are fed up of 9th which is designed for tournie meta play and no one else. Compare that to what started the heresy, namely disillusionment with a changing meta where marine armies frequently ended up last, and 2.0 is actually going to launch in a more positive way than the original game did.

Some people in the HH community go a little too far, for the most part though the "gatekeeping" is healthy. I have no problem talking shop about 30k with a 40k hobbyist and explaining the lore and the overall difference in vibe between 30k and 40k. I don't want 40k colonizers in the hobby where they make 30k into 40k, I like the hobby because of the community. It's less jokey, people want their armies to look as good as they possibly can make them, a 30k hobbyist first and foremost isn't a wargamer, but a miniature maker and that's what i want to see. I like feeling like I'm there in the setting with mud and blood and grime and I like having an army and seeing armies that people want to have reflect the lore rather than what plays best. I love the Horus Heresy, I love it the way it is, I just don't see a point in gw trying to expand it and meld it into 40k when they already have a 40k