... Let's just sneak a Slaneesh artifact in it..

Sultan Ave deus mechanicus!

pfffhahahahah good one

You don't need to tell me.

William Roark rude

Didn’t say it had to be the same guardsman did he?

Lasgun with spears

That depends a lot on the scenario, the Guard spends most of the time dealing with rebels and pirates, Joe Cultist and Ork Boyz

The Guardsman that does.... Is fuckin' Nightmarish to fight. Why? Because he can hold his own against Rebels, Renegades, Traitor marines, Chaos, Tau, All Eldar, Necrons, Orks, And Tyranids. And fights as dirty and exploitative as a Guardsman on top of that.

But: THE PLANET BROKE BEFORE THE GUARD! Hail to the imperial Guard! :)

I bet a lot of astartes share this sentiment.

@@robertnelson9599 especially the ones charging a hotshot

Truth

Let me guess, that is how Maor got his scars?

Legionnaire: You're right, I haven't. Mostly because that's a fking stupid thing to do. Instead we'll just pop in amongst you with jump packs and drop pods *laughs in chainsword*

A thousand lasguns is a fhack ton of diddly.

What are y talking about? One glancing lasgun shot could melt a space marine ;)

A whole lot of diddly makes a decent amount of deadly.

M249MachineGun a maxim of the Chinese army

What is Riddly Diddly then?

Fighting Astartes with a Lasgun, your best hope is that you have about 100 other IG friend with you with competent aiming. A single Lasgun shot at range do diddly, but 100 shots every 1/3 a second is a lot of diddly...

Or you could be in Gaunt's Ghosts and have a much fairer chance to kill Astartes.

@@rpk321 nah With about 10 you have a fair chance to kill an space marine.

@@cruzwindu777deffsff4 Depend on the Space Marines. Their power level fluctuate wildly...

Just overcharge the damn thing and fire or use it like a grenade.

Try putting your eye to it and pulling the trigger to see if its working or not.

Winning comment

Carter Gates I actually loled. Well done.

Who the fuck gave everone pew pew guns

"What's with him?" "Laser envy."

Or the Lemun Russ crew towards the back

or the charging Baneblade, that just won't stop

*BY THE DARK GODS, WHY WON'T IT STOP?* **Sobbing and screaming**

Because it's 316 tonnes of God-Emperor given fuck you?

Meacharn1 Well yes as displayed many times a single guardsman is like a drop of water hitting your face facing down a regiment is like the lake that drop came from rising up and bitch slapping.

Matt Pelzek Enough lasguns will kill anything that's not a tank. the great thing about the gaurd is that there always enough lol

Leave that to the earthshaker cannons :3

20 lasguns at once can

Gentel Noober 20!? Those are rookie numbers I have 75 (jkjk we all started somewhere)

The trick is with the tank, the m16 is your personnel weapon...The radio (aka vox casters) is the anti tank option.

On the flip side it is the winner of the best disco light award. You just put em to low power setting and ask a tech priest nicely to swap out the crystal from non visible to visible range.

Also, winner of contest to evaporate head of first idiot who makes "lasgun is a flashlight" joke again. Guys, can you please stop with it? If this joke was alive, it would be soo old, so we could use its beard to hang Failbaddon and drag him all the way from Eye of Terror to Terra (and he would finally reach Terra, yay!).

Failbaddon is also a bad meme... Only the 13th Crusade has the destination Terra. Everyone before had different targets.

Well, only because they Retconnned it. And the retcon I don't like because it turned Abaddon from "Bringer of Doom" to "Huron Blackheart Mark II", pirate and raider who sacrifices those he finds less useful/loyal in order to get Fat Stacks of Plunder. ... and we already had Huron Blackheart. I want the "Bringer of Doom" for Abaddon.

1stshockarmy i use them to heat up soup and light cigrettes

Luke Martin Pew Pew!

dark heresy

To quote 4chan "The weapons are often derisively referred to as "flashlights," based on their individual uselessness, although this is arguably more of an example of how ridiculously tough everything else is in the setting."

I still want one...

im not gonna put my d1ck in a lasgun

what we have today is not laughable. In fact our modern small arms would do just fine against almost anything a lasgun is supposed to do well against, aka lightly armoured targets. They would just lack any potential do to more against tougher targets that the lasgun has a tiny chance of doing. But for that we have heavier weapons and armor just like the guard does. Honestly Earth would be a pretty solid match for a guard force a few million strong. We may very well lose in the end but we would NOT go down easy. The only ground based threat the imperium has over us is space marines.

santhinal Lol the lasgun is lighter than almost all modern weapons while having more ammunition and the stopping power of a .50 caliber round. Modern weapons are the equivalent of autoguns in WH40k. And if you know the lore, autoguns might as well be airsoft rifles.

@@thelouster5815 ya I know, however even in 40K an autogun is actually pretty solid as a weapon against basic infantry like the standard Guardsman. I agree completely that it is still weaker but it is not by that much. Yes our weapons are weaker but saying we would be completely outclassed by the imperial guard is just autistic to the extreme given that even in 40K autoguns regularly kill Imperial guard with the same or similair ease that Lasguns kill imperial guard. All I am saying is that they are almost equally garbage. The only real advantage Lasguns have is in their Robustness and ease of production which is in cannon the reason why the Imperial guard use them.

Same goes for the average Guardsman. Well...the average guardsman is propably dead, but just about any Guard veteran is basically special forces on steroids.

@@thelouster5815 autoguns have actually a higher rate of fire and a bigger caliber in comparison to a modern day rifle/pistol/whatever

Jerec 12 Because its iconic for a flashlight

Dradster Gaster it's more of a nurf gun or a airsoft gun some nurf guns hurt.

UMIE DAKKA

arch can do 30min videos on how many seconds are in a minute....

That's not a fair trade xD

*1000 teams

Would be fun

Probably great fodder for Tyranids.

"Game over man! Game Over!"

nice reference mate

ScipionLaurentiend What's the reference? there is something familiar to the structure of his post, now you mention it

jay wise martin id say It refers to the ak47 in our world

Carlos caballeromoreno shit, is it from Lord of War? I think I remember this now...

yep...lord of war

Still more efficient than Star wars stormtrooper

And now I suddenly want to know who would win in a large-scale battle between the Imperial Guard and the forces of the SW Empire... It would be probably the guardsmen, but who knows, maybe the stormtroopers could pull and underdog victory for a change.

troopers are firing plasma im taking the empire

***** I don't know... While the movies indeed don't give too much solid info on the quality of the the Empire's ground warfare tech (in particular, the actual firepower of their weaponry is hard to judge, as they either don't hit shit, or when they do it's a "clean" instakill, so we don't know how much damage they actually do), but I think the IG would have the advantage in terms of ground support (actual proper artillery) and their mechanized wargear is equal (AT-ST vs Sentinel? a though call) or better (AT-AT vs Baneblade? hilarious!) than the Empire's. The one point I could say the Empire would win is on the large-scale, as they have a much better infrastructure, faster FTL to move troops and way better information- and logistics-networks, but if it is just two ground armies going at each other with the same number of equivalent weapon-classes and war machines, I think the IG would win... unless they are the IG form one of those novels when they throw a million of them into the grinder to take a bunker instead of firing a single artillery shell, because grimdark. So yeah, lots of variables, but that's what makes it a really fun thought-experiment. :)

Yeah. I mean you can't say "Stormtroopers can't hit crap" or the like. I always hated that Trope because it's clearly not really a case of "Stormtroopers suck" it's "Main characters have plot armor". The standard Stormtrooper Blaster Rifle though definitely is weaker than the Lasgun. Keep in mind that a solid hit to an unarmored target with a Blaster Rifle tends to cause a small wound that doesn't even pierce through the target, and that people might survive. A lasgun with a similar hit would have basically turned the torso into a pile of ash. But we do know that Stormtrooper Armor can stop a blaster bolt to the level that Flak Armor can stop a Lasgun shot (saying it'll still hurt you, but you'll at least have a chance of survival). Though also Stormtrooper Armor laughs at Archaic Weapons (like say an Assault Rifle firing bullets) where Flak Armor doesn't. Lack of consistency? Probably. I mean we could say the Blaster Rifle is more effective than I'd guess but my evidence for its killing potential is based on it shooting people with no armor what so ever (like say Ewoks). Though we see in the Battle of Endor that Stormtrooper Armor does jack against Melee. And this makes sense as Vibro Axes, Vibroknives, force pikes, etc, are somewhat common weapons. And say what you will, the Imperial Guard has no problems mixing it up in melee when it comes down to it. Plenty of Imperial Guard Commanders will give the order to fix bayonets and charge. And that could be the decisive moment. If the Stormtroopers can break the charge (I wonder, they don't seem to have automatic weapons, even their Heavy Blaster is more like an Anti-Material Rifle than a Machine Gun, but on the plus side Thermal Detonators are FAAAR more effective than Frag Grenades, but Stormtroopers don't seem to carry them) that'd give them the win I'd imagine. Where if the Guard gets forces in among the stormtroopers that could be the end of it.

Still better than Jedi Flashlights.

Bringin orkykind to farvest richs ov da galaxy

SO much better than Jedi flashlights its *almost* shameful to compare them its like picking on children but when you fight for the imperium all arrayed before you are mere children against the hammer of the emperor! lol im implying the emperor smashes babies with hammers that cant be good!?

Eventually, it even turns the user into a fleshlight for the xenos

HrothgarHeavenlight how about Alan wake's flashlight?

Roquet ToTheStars That, or having a few thousand dice thrown at said terminator. A whole lot o' diddly.

he only needed one, the right one, Just. As. Planned ;)

That marine was disloyal. The emperor protects. Also send your complaints to Mars for unreliable repairs to millenia old equipment.

Meanwhile guardsmen needing a 6 to hit and a 6 to wound (these odds are favorable to the guardsman)

If that's true that'd be so fitting xD

Read the legions novel they talk about it

I could actually believe that. Not that I would admit that. After all I'm in the Death Korps we use the Lucius pattern lasguns it's Simi automatic

horus dark wait actually

a little light bulb that cuts a mans arm off

Commissar a man's arm...what about a orks hand??

Serbanoiu Eduard an ork has fairly tough hide, maybe 2 shots

Propaganda of the Imperium tends to confuse lasgun with lascannon.

Carbon 12 *blam* I don't need this kind of attitude in my regiment

5 lashings for you

Death Korps recommends gas bombardment "training" for the entire regiment of the man who made that flashlight crack

@@sethgilcrist8088 Yeah, and make the regiment knows who's fault it is.

@@Self-replicating_whatnot then after that have the mordin iron guard perform a dress uniform inspection on them

@@sethgilcrist8088 and then Have the Maccabian Janissaries look in to there faith levels

Abbadon380 should be a co op game then , 64 players lol

That would be hard

The campaign would last like 20 minutes once you finish training.

Would make dark souls look like a walk in the park

Mitchell Line oooo really

*stares in twitch* that's not a space marine it's an ork with sunburn.

Arch Lasgun monologue Lasgun don't kill Choas Marines Arch siege of vraks Death Korps beat the choas Marines to death with shoves after they ran out of Lasgun batteries.

Seth Gilcrist Shovels aren’t lasguns are they?

The exitus is a low velocity large bore short range silent weapon. Its not made for doing damage but being sneaky.

And starts laghing cause it tickles.

Yeah. Especially since the default against which everything is measured in crunch is the space marine, despite beeing rare in fluff. Oh, and they are also like 99 % of the heroes of the books, so its often seen from their perspective. Despite that, the "backround" battles are to 90 % fought by forces for which the lasgun is a good weapon.

So it's the weapon equivalent of Krillen in 40k?

Ya. In real life the lasgun would be a really gnarly firearm by today’s standards. However, when you’re going against 40 ft tall bugs or daemons, or an 8ft tall dude with 6in thick armor, that gnarliness gets watered down a lot.

@@FunkBastid if you actually do the math on how much energy each laser puts out should be able to do as much damage as a .50 big rifle basically in the modern day a lasgun would tear apart most military and civilian vehicles a apc would hold for a minute and a tank would take minimal damage it's not as good as a bolter round but much more efficient and a few lasbolts should kill a space Marine maybe 25 30 maybe more or less and this is the absolute least a lasbolt would be able to do

@@venlil which it does alot of that but space marine armor is made out of a special metal that reflects that shit like its nothing

Takatifu how about a few hundred

That's a Leman Russ worth of diddly

Sooooo many Found on Base letters....

Soooo many green tags...

I can expect that many "broken and discarded" power packs miraculously reappear on base once their charge has worsened.

The Adeptus Astartes are the scalpel used for high importance small margin of error missions but if you need to break something you don't use a scalpel. You grab the hammer that is the Guard

@@baconator1377 the guard isn't the Hammer lol they are the nail when used or bent you do not worry you simply grab another from the box

So you're telling me they have more numbers than enemy bullets. Alright.

@@Tacoguy1000 Well I mean.. yeah.

I think the best nickname for them is "The Wall of Guns"

Knight of Morr How did a knight of Morr get a lasgun?

Lord Caelvanir by changing name from Soldier From Krieg to Knight of Morr

***** wait, those are from krieg right?

***** thats my krieger friend

how did you even become a knight of morr? I thought that Death Korps guardsman don't have, well y'know free will and such

kharn the betrayer O There's the all guardsman party. It's a good read.

So a five second video of a random guy/girl getting killed, got it.

Saving Private Ryan in space. Only 100 times more violent.

Starring literally every person on this planet twice over + a bunch of CGI for the rest of the extras.

kharn the betrayer O So you want another Starship Troopers?

dIRECT0R Or because standing and shooting against a squad of guys with lasguns, even in power armor, brings a significant risk of you getting riddled with scorched holes because you were dumb enough to underestimate the power of a laser gun that can blow off human limbs.

Didn't you just hear him say that the flashlights can't hurt marines except in close range!? So why get into close range?? There's a million of 'em - someone is bound to shoot you...

dIRECT0R If you watch the "Why is there melee in 40k" video, he makes it pretty clear that while a lasgun at range won't consistently punch through power armour, it has a slim but still decent chance of hitting a weak point and hurting the marine within. And since lasguns are so widespread, that means you could easily be taking a dozen lasbolts every other second or so in a large battle. It'd actually be quite advantageous for a marine to close to melee with a group of lasgun-armed humans, because he has a major advantage there, whereas, again, if you stand and shoot you might be fine... But it's just as likely you'll get turned into a flambe. In short, Lasguns can *absolutley* hurt a Space Marine at range. Sure, they have a better chance of punching right through armor if they're closer, but that brings problems of its own.

A lasgun has a very, very small chance of punching through power armor at range... with a single shot. But a single shot can cause a small amount of damage to the armor, and if enough of that damage builds up, then punching through the armor becomes a very real threat. That's why space marines still make use of things like cover, and the shock and awe of close combat against regular people with horror weapons like chainswords.

Look, if you're impervious to lasgun fire at range - why would you ever close in??

So if they figured out a way to make a shotgun using these pellets it would be a game changer.

Yeah it seems he doesn't know the why behind it in gaunts ghosts. They only used it because it could blow straight through a chaos space marines armor

​@@omegawilliam95s36lascannon

kahzhoex Sorry, I probably lack fantasy, but isn't most of the IG bogged down fighting orcs, eldar, tau and tyranids? Or am I trully missinformed and most of the IG's battles are against soft targets such as chaos cultists? Against unarmored soft targets, yeah, it's a super Kalashnikov. Against tough targets it's a flashlight.

the lasgun is fucking amazing, its just the enemies in 40k that are really really really big and tough

JoeRingo118 If what you say is true then why do IG regiments suffer such horrendous losses all the time that they need comissars to force them to fight, if their primary weapon the lasgun is as effective as you say? I really don't get it. Ok, the Death Corps don't need comissars, everyone knows that. And is it true that most comissars rather keep up moral and discipline by leading by example instead of reign of terror? I know Gaunt, Yarrick and Cain are special cases, but what about the rest?

Commissar Yeah, I bet, imagine armies in the 21th century having lasguns and powerpacks with the knowhow to manufacture and maintain both. Most ammo factories would probably go out of business. Btw, since lasguns fire lasers, couldn't their beam be deflected by mirrors?

KondorDCS I think their heat level would shatter the glass

If you play the Imperial Guard campaigns of the Dawn of War Expansions, you can see yourself kicking xenos into oblivion as the Imperial Guard!

Imagine something like CoD, or Battlefield, or even Counter-Strike; but as an Imperial Guard.

Iirc, there’s a video game coming out soon called Warhammer 40k: Darktide.

Yep dark tide coming soon. Finally the chance to be a guardsman and kick ass

It probably varies. Different lenses, etc.

There are hundreds of different models of lasguns, probably thousands, each probably has a different spectrum of light for their bolts. That being said, this is 40k, keeping the lore straight from codex to codex, game to game, and book to book etc is difficult to say the least

IRL, laser color is decided by the color of the lens, so it probably varies. Ruby for red, sapphire for blue. Not quite sure about yellow. Maybe a sodium vapor? That would give it a color like a streetlamp.

white/blue if i remember correctly

It generally relies on the gas used to create the laser. Most damaging and long range focus is blue, I imagine that lascannons are this colour, but the cheapest is probably red and there is good reason for picking that colour, as blue flashes on the enemy will quickly destroy all nightvision and then subsequently all vision of the guardsman firing the lasers. Looking at the reflection of a lascanon hitting would burn out your eyeballs regardless of colour. Good idea to use cameras and screens firing them. Very unlikely to be yellow, though could be green. I imagine, being the most visible laser light, it is pretty hard to use without loosing sight too. Plus it would reflect right off orks. But really it is up to you. I think the geeky game designers had it right, over the artists who pick the colours for colour composition and aesthetics over accuracy.

also could be a kill count.

Counting the remaining shots is more useful.

That damned website... "Now presenting our latest special product line for your pleasure, 'The Lictor', 'The Gargant', 'The Keeper of Secrets', and 'The Uncle Nurgle Special'."

Carbon 12 And for the more tender customers nervous about interior bleeding and ruptured organs, there's always "The Greater Good". Or alternatively for those with no sense of square peg round hole puzzle solving, there is "The Awakened Monolith". Also available for those on the front lines demanding only the best of personal assault gear, "The Power Fist". Now available in Astartes, Terminator, or Dreadnought size categories. (Batteries not included)

Heating food if you put it on the higher settings.

wound sterilizator

Goldbergus Exploder of heads that underestimate it

Putting on laser light shows.

grenade

That is correct.

hahah, same xD

same here i need something to cover my tanks from tau farsight bullshit. (looking at you riptide)

Grenadier 658244-526455 I play Tau, Necron and Guard, Rush Tau and overwhelm the is the best tactic i can tell. The Tau use U.S military style tactics, so they are pretty hard to beat. Or just play Necron and fuck up those blue Commie bastards

kinda funny commies use usa tactics

giorgi lobjanidze not surprising really, all commies ever did was copy the US over damn near everything

maybe nexst year, maybe nexst decade, maybe nexst century, maybe nexst millennium, gonne have to re-read the HH first

There is no s in next, Arch ;)

Arch Warhammer I really enjoyed Konrad's lore, one of my favourite videos. Either way Friday's are something I always look forward to because of you :D

username He's stated that English isn't his first Language plus he's dyslexic

Zarguz Hedwaka

Really the akm. The ak47 is quite rare.

Jinisinsane not the worst wepon the worst wepon is a Lazer musket LOL

Going by the stats, it's about 50 times more powerful than a modern 50 cal machine gun, and that's on the setting with 200 shots

This made me subscribe.

They do not have a machine spirit in the classical sense. There are machines so sophisticated, that the mechanicums idea of "spirit" isnt actually that far away from the truth, but in case of the lasgun its simply that "you hurt its machine spirit and then it will punch you in the nuts" seem to be easier then saying "if your gun is dirty it might malfunction because....", so they just roll with it.

Sebastian Krant I just want to imagine a bunch of IG actually talking to their Lasguns, and then getting the shit scared out of them by their Commissar showing up and nearly shooting them for suspicions of "Madness and chaos corruption or trying to pull one of those goddamn annoying elaborate "jokes" that the Luggnum Sewer Rats would do!"

Well... there's a bit of a clarity issue with the term. "Machine Spirit" is used in certain cases like most Sci-Fi uses the term "Expert System". Not quite a full AI but has some autonomous functions that can assist a crew or even take over for a crew. You often see this in vehicles like a Land Raider Tank or a Thunderhawk Assault Craft, and when they're referencing a "Machine Spirit" particularly in the tabletop rules that use the Machine Spirit that's what they're talking about. The not quite sentient and self aware AI. However "Machine Spirit" is also a religious aspect term that applies to all technological aspects. And with the way the Warp works in 40k.... they kind of are actually a thing. In fact if you get/read the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer there's a section in the back that has Inspirational Speeches, Prayers and Litanies for the Guardsman. Several of these such as the "Litany of the Lasgun" are meant to specifically be used to appease the holy Machine Spirit of their weapon. This is something that's kind of ripped off as far as I can tell from BattleTech's setting. In that setting ComStar has the Adeptus Mechanicus role. Mystics who control the most arcane and powerful technology in the Inner Sphere. In their case in order to keep Technology secret from other factions ComStar made up "Mystical Rites" and a Hokey Religion that was to disguise the actual science they were doing to maintain devices as a con job. Just later generations weren't "in on the joke" and thus started thinking the mystical rites were actually necessary. That the FTL communications relay works because you prayed at it, the fact that your prayers and rites of initiation flipped the Sacred Rune of "Ohphee" to "Ohn" wasn't the only reason it worked. In 40k? We don't know if the Mechanicus originally started out in a similar fashion, if the Faith in "Machine Spirits" was a con that everyone has been fooled by or what. We do know however that due to the way the warp works and how it interacts with reality? The fact that everyone is tricked by the Con actually does kinda mean the Lie is Reality now. Though it seems that MIGHT have been the case as a lot of the Litanies and Rites we do see the Mechanicus do that's covered in detail do seem to include basic maintenance as we know it. They might be praying to the Machine Spirit of a Lasgun who is "sick" to recover, but they're also doing things like cleaning the contact points, stripping it down and replacing worn parts in their rites which as a Mechanicus Enginseer might point out "Just as your medicae does, when you are ill they replace the broken oils of your body with fresh fluids, the missing or sundered parts with proper new replacements, and tend to your soul as they do so". So it's weird.

You stick an aquilla on it and half the army starts talking to it. A lot of people get confused with the machine spirit and think it has something to do with AI, it does not. It is that effect you get when you bash your tv the right way and it gets signal back, or you tap a flourescent light to trick it into lighting, or the way sometimes computers won't work in certain plug sockets and you justify it as "not liking it" People who do not know about computers personify everything that happens to it, simply out of ignorance. Superstition overrides any analysis or understanding. Yet their lives rely on unreliable and misunderstood equipment. The mechanicum reveres anything that even hints towards automatic operation of course, hence their fascination with necrons, as they would like to end up like them, however they are not very successful in their endeavours. Whist they claim any chance action or positive malfunction as the machine spirit, they have made no real progress towards a "fully awakened" machine (which would be the literal incarnation of their deity) and would perceive it to be the return of the emperor, regardless of it's connection with the golden throne.

+Hitomi Salazar So its a Mass Effect style VI? A non creative deterministic program?

Yeah, but muskets were pretty heavy things made of solid wood and steel... generally speaking a Lasguns is meant to be only a few feet long and made of the lightest and strongest materials the manufacturing planet can reasonably supply. This generally means that they don't have the leverage or the heft to really do much more than stagger a human opponent if you use one as a club, but clip a sword bayonet on the end and you have a fair-sized spear as well as a pretty useful up close fighting blade if you use the bayonet on its own. Obviously there's a lot of variation, this being the IG, so there *are* planets and regiments that use Lasguns made of solid, heavy heartwood stocks and chunky damn wrought iron fittings that genuinely are every bit as deadly as clubs as they are when you actually shoot them.

Sebastian Schwärzel that's not entirely true depends on the country skill of unit and time period

When I said 'musket', I was generally thinking of Napoleonic type of thing. Those suckers weren't short.

The bayonet was not as useful in extreme close quarters because it requires you to draw it back at least the length of the bayonet in order to thrust (if it isn't a sword bayonet), if the enemy gets past it. It is quite useful to keep and stab people before that. In theory you'd strike with the butt of the rifle to create the space to stab or slash

I did say a sword bayonet.

Us

The omnissiah - He does like people using his bridges.

Oh...and lasers make for terrible weapons for *most* applications. Nothing can outsmart boooullet :D

You did just describe every- almost* every firearm in Mass Effect

It is a laser, any recoil is just authors being retards

Dont be so sure to judge. Always keep in mind, that GW not only mainly sell tabletop, but absolutly focus on Space Marines and measure everything based on them. A fairly good standpoint, considering, that they are the mascot of the franchise (although I would argue, that their focus on them may have pushed other factions far more in the back than what would be ideal). So yeah, in tabletop, they are relativly crappy, simply because the astartes bolter is the standard, most things are measured on. However, in much other 40k-media, it is extremly popular: The undisputed most important 40k-author Abnett after all wrote the most popular 40k-series, the gaunts ghosts, about the Imperial guard. And his other great bookseries, Eisenhorn, also gives the lasgun much more credit, since Space Marines are not EVERYWHERE (as some more incompetent authors like to have it). Than we have the role-playing games, and if you ever played a pen & paper, you may realize, that a ranged weapon with no consern to reloading or ammunition, multiple settings and upgrades is extremly usefull. It does help, that in only two of the five games, you play a space marine. Although I have to agree with you on how its portrayed in tabletop. I had more than one Dark Heresy round, where (much to the amusement of the rest of us) a player simply underestimated the lasguns potential, because he played tabletop. Seeing him getting butchered was hilarious and deserved, albeit unfortunate for the party as a whole.

more a full video on mutants in 40k generally

OPLITHS GR You wouldn't because you'd be executed for using xeno technology.

Not exactly existence one (army) the Armageddon Ork Hunters and they use orc weapon and the are ok and a Commissar Yarrick which has a orc power claw + unlimited ammo :)

details :P

For one, they won't work because you aren't an ork who believes that they will actually shoot. Second, the recoil is monstrous and will break your arm even if you can fire it. Third, shootas are bloody heavy. Standard humans can't even lift the thing. Finally, shootas have shite accuracy at all ranges and relies entirely on being fired full auto every time all the time as long as there's enough ammo to actually hit something. The fourth point combined with the second point means whichever human uses the shoota will likely end up pulverising himself just by pulling the trigger. Even then, he might likely be so off the mark he hasn't actually killed anything before getting himself killed.

Guess it would depend how pragmatic your assigned Commissar is, though a pragmatic one still wouldn't want you touching an Ork shoota as there would be a high chance of malfunction due to them only working properly for Orks, at worst it could blow up in your face.

The reason is, that its not the increase in the weapons worth that made the lasgun more expensive, but the decrease in human life worth that made the soldier inexpensive. And here is the beauty for the Mechanicum: First: Lasguns are so standard, they are not stolen on the first chance got. Secondly, they are still cheaper then many other weapons. Thirdly, they are not that bad against armoured targets compared with projectile weapons. To do some average Dark-Heresy-/Only-War-Math the Lasgun does the same damage as a normal assault rifle. However, it has more ammunition, it jams even rarer then said rifle and it can change settings to become more powerfull. When reduced to the same ammunition then an assault rifle it is average 1/8 better then it. And than we are not even considering the nightmare that is ammunition cases. The point is, not only all lasguns have nearly all the same powerpacks. The sniper rifles, the carabines and even some anti-tank-weaponary can use this same thing. Oh, and finally ,they are practicly indestructable, so there is no need to produce that many, unlike the soldiers that carry them, they are reusable.

Lasguns are cheap and their ammo is cheap.

+Sebastian Krant The undestructable part I do take issue with. They are a chemical laser, and that means they have a chamber with a gemstone or some heavy metal in its middle thats filled with noble gas, and they have silicate glass or again metal lenses. All these need to be kept in perfect alignement for the gun not to accidentaly melt iself. Using it as a club doesnt sound wise.

@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 Why are you trying to contest facts STATED BY LORE that Lasguns are cheap and reliable?

+Amethyst Blade Because I shit on lore from three miles up if it contradicts common sense.

James Doody Blunt knives.

depends on the planet, usually some sort of solid slug ballistic weapon of local designe.

Arch Warhammer a good deal of PDF units are equipped Lasguns, but slugs are fairly common. Once again it depends on the world in question.

James Doody Dying for the Emperor until the Imperial Guard arrives, so they can die for the Emperor until the Space Marines arrive and actually kill things.

you mean slingshot :P

what?... shit it is true

You'reThatMantis and i wanted to watch it

wait what? on what grounds?

right wingers made corporations people he supports the people that believe Viacom can do that. So...why should I feel bad? mass flagging is something both the far right and left do to each other .

Boltguns are not gyrojets. The bolt is fired in the standard manner of a bullet, with an explosive discharge, and the RPG part happens AFTER the bolt has left the barrel to further accelerate it. Why do you think bolters shoot out cassings when they fire? And that's why an astartes boltgun breaks arms: the size and recoil of shooting a .75 or .998 calibre ammunition, for reference that's what modern light cannons and emplaced weapons shoot. The boltgun of the commisariat, the Garm pattern fires much smaller munitions. And as a futher side-note: those calibres I mentioned were written by an idiot who did not think of scale. Yes, they are too much for an average human to fire comfortably, but at the scale of a normal astartes and his boltguns, those bullets are tiny compared to how large a bolt shell should actualy be.

For futher reference there was a thread once that meassured scales and tried to correct them with logic applied. Suffice to say a standard bolter can fire up to callibre 2.0 ammunition (this he reserved for heavy bolters) while a standard 1.0 calibre (or the .998) would fit normal sickle shaped 24 round magazines of the astartes boltguns. www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284381-on-the-scale-mismatch-of-bolts-and-bolters/ EDIT: my personal interpretation? I'm with him on the .75 beeing a human sized bolter, but I would extend the leeway for actual astartes bolt munitions higher. A 40mm grenade (the most common comparison) is actualy calire 1.57 if you convert, so I would say an Astartes standard boltgun fires munitions larger than that, at a minimum the 2' and heavy bolters go even bigger. Yeah not everything in 40k is consistent, most of the times it;s fans fixing the inconsistencies.

And the part where all your reasoning breaks apart is FFG and their RPGs, where mere humans can use astartes gear with only -10 accuracy (because it's too big for human hands) if they're strong enough, although the weapon moves one category up to scale (i.e. bolter is heavy weapon, and bolt pisol is a rifle). No bones breaking by recoil. And it's Canon.

assuming a lasgun wouldn't just straight sear through any modern armor

HeatIIEXTEND Modern armor perhaps but in 40k they aren't using modern armor. In the context of 40k, a machine gun or assault rifle would be far more effective. The only sticking point is that bullets take up a lot of space and they are theoretically harder to produce.

moving parts, general reliability, accuracy, weight. quantity has a quality ? :]

ummmm bullets wouldn't be more effective at all, they would be less so. To a great extent

no, it's waaaaaay better than anything we have. You don't realize the power of the enemies of the Imperium