HERESY

Not a god Yet

this title smells of heresy

The inquisition is coming for you You have outdone yourself We have forgiven you for your “hypothetical” thought in your other videos But that was the last straw You Are Done

He is a man, the greatest of men, he is everything and more that a human could, would or should become.

Yeah yeah tell it to the stunties so they can write about it in their diary

Lol

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@@ShiftJay08 ... suffer not the Heretic, brothers...

Agreed. Termination Authorized.

leutin is a professional blasphemer

I've fully embraced it myself at this point. The "heresy! Inquisitor, right here!" joke has gotten really, REALLY old at this point. It really does kill the vibe for anyone that's not an Imp Simp.

I swear I did not watch this till the end

@@Jumptownwore Sure.

*there in

But it’s interesting because he’ll eventually reach the end he foresaw. I think he’ll be reborn as a true god.

The only problem is that, what if it’s a lie. If he wanted to portray being wrong and down play his ability, to further the mystery and lies he’s already spun

Guy just had a vivid imagination and tricked people into thinking he could see the future lol

@@BigTylt could be. I find the amount the emperor got wrong is downright intentional. Sure maybe it’s obvious to most, but it doesn’t get said enough. At this point the amount, the emperor did incorrectly is intentionally written that way, which means it Hass to prove a point in a narrative, Most things are intentional. sometimes there’s fluff, but even then fluff is usually building character in some capacity. I know we look at things through the lens of the universe, but why did the writers continually write the emperor doing the wrong thing?

@@dontworry3763 The Emperor doesn't want to become a god though.

I remember that shaman origin. I remember seeing the original illustration of the emperor in the first Rogue Trader 40k book my dad had. Now a copy goes for $300+ but can still read it online, it’s an old picture for sure.

@@SordidusFellatio honestly thats what good writing is

@@SordidusFellatio Yeqh, the meme stuff is funny I even chuckle qt the whole Emperor is a dark age creation Its been confirmed he wasnt Erda and other perpetuals like Pius confirm him before the golden age, all the way back to medieval times

@@SordidusFellatio How is "the Ork believing the Emperor is still alive was the reason the Emperor is still living." filled with BS to the brim? That's Great! That's hilarious! xD How is it BS though when that's *exactly* how the Warp works though?

@@mikejonesnoreally Hm interesting theory here, if the Orks believe red is more faster, if they believe the emperor is alive, would that make him alive? :D

It seems logistically unsound to go through all that time and effort to turn a young boy into a Space marine (and that assuming he doesn’t die in the process) only for him to be quickly used up by the golden throne when the imperium can stick to the method it already uses unless of course space Marines burn out slower then normal humans.

@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 of course they burn slower the more powerful the psyker the more time the throne is powered

@@classvitreehouse3796 do we have any examples of this because as far as I am aware no space marine has ever been feed to the golden throne.

@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 So magnus would have sat in the chair, bolstered by his legion keeping the web way going. By that logic, gray knights could power the emperor in there without killing that many people a day. Why not do it that way? Gray knights needed elsewhere?

@@0datdude0 That is such a waste. A Grey Knight is a focal point of the Emperors power, training, and equipment. Simply feeding their energy, maybe 10 other pycers, would do the same.

...or, as the Deff Orky warrior-poet Sunsucka once said, "Everything is cannon, Boom!"

For every truth a daemon tells, he also tells nine lies.

@@maintaint3003 he wrote that in his book ''the art of waaaaggghh'' right??

@@redsampler2017 I think he carves that stuff on bodies, and sometimes boyz cut them out and tarnish them... you could call it a book.

That's interesting

That's dank as fuck, the implications.

Awesome take. I didn't read the source material so I can not attest to the legitimacy, but the alibis are definitely there.

Nice. My favourite theories about the Emperor are always the ones where he never really existed.

To be fair, it was recently confirmed that Malcador is younger than the Emperor and joined the Perpetuals group later tha Erda and Pius

*Jack Nicholson Nodding GIF*

The real Primordial Truth of Warhammer 40K is ultimately being War in Heaven, as it's being the origin of every species and factions including Chaos factions within Warhammer 40K settings

If you bring temporary pockets of order into chaos, it's just more chaos to the status quo of chaos. All that effort, just to make more intricate offerings to the gods of change.

"Son of Angron" sounds pretty heretical to me. Begone, Chaos filth!

@@maintaint3003 You're wrong, Chaos in Warhammer 40K has origin in Realm of Souls after being fucked beyond recognition after War in Heaven periods, even Necron, T'au to even Leagues of Votann and other dim souls doesn't care about Chaos or anything in Immaterium Let alone Tyrannids that's just there to consume every being, including any temporal thought-forms of Chaos Pantheon in The Warp

4, since it enables relatively safe warp travel

@@DAAllan82 isn’t that covered by “keeping the emperor alive”? The psykers used by the astronomican aren’t the ones fed to the golden throne - they’re specially selected for the task rather than just “any and all human psykers who aren’t lucky enough to be recruited for something else”.

5, since it gives blood to the blood god and skulls for the skull throne

6 birds since it also gives the custodes an excuse to never leave the house

A limitless amount of birds, since it's clearly part of one of the Great Schemers twisted plots!

that's how long people used to live (not necessarily that king though). Our lives were being extended as God was residing with us, at which point He set our lives to roughly 120 years, which is entirely reasonable given proper health and not eating a processed garbage diet. Neanderthals are actually the skeletons of these ancient people; bone development continues and leads to a bigger brow, whereas the rest of the body is indistinguishable. Even scripture says these older people look someone strange compared to a younger person; there are young humans who were able to meet some of the last remaining long lifespan people before they died.

​@@AR15andGODGo take your meds bro 😂

​@@AR15andGODwe're not talking about Christianity

@@AR15andGODbro that’s a wildest take on Neanderthals I’ve ever seen. By this theory, why are they genetically distinct and why is a prominent brow seen in all other great apes like gorillas?

@@thesincereone2886it’s science we have these things called telomeres and at birth we are supposed to live 120 yrs but the more we eat bad foods and put other unhealthy things in our bodies it shortens our telomeres length which shortens our lifespan as well lol he doesn’t need any medicine that’s just science do some research on it it’s really interesting

Probably because he felt that time was limited for the galaxy, and it is when you look at the threats, mainly the Tyranids who have wiped out more stronger galaxies in the past. (though i'm just assuming)

@@shcdemolisher Tyranid Invasion, Necron awakening, Ork Empires like at Ullanor, he had a lot of problems to deal with and not a whole lot of time to due so.

he was the only one whose mind could encompass the scale of reality ...and see the cost of failure , always alone no matter how big the crowd and with the fate of his species for the rest of time on his mind forever ....

That would explains a lot.

@Thisis Gettinboring I think that during Age of Technology the Emperor felt like proud father, seeing his humanity standing strong without being held by hand all the time. He only decided to act when absolutely necessary, when it was obvious that humanity wont be able to get themselves out of this one by themselves. There was no great leader or new emerging society to be seen. He had to act openly.

Stop Praying For My Emperor He's Become Too Powerful

You know of the radiant worlds in the Eye of Terror? Yeah, just that but on a galactic scale.

I liked the inverse of that theory. Namely that the Golden Throne was a device capable of taking the nearly-dead Emperor and amplifying his Warp energies for the Astronomican. Big E is the battery for this ostensibly-heretek device, the wire plugged into a Golden Throne router!

The golden throne was in ORIGNAL fluff a life support system, later when GW wanted to make more novles (of various quality) it became part of the web way. The ORIGINAL golden path was to make all mankind imune and invisable to the warp.

Sure, but fluff doesn't matter. Remember what GW said: "Everything is canon, not everything is true."

Only 4 Billion? Big guy must be on a diet.

Thats a good point, he always seems to have at-least a slight care for humanity, even if he treats them more like animals than equals. But astartes and even the primarchs were used more like equipment in his armoury than actual living beings

@@zXPeterz14 It's not what I've seen/read. It's more like he has a capacity for the things he has created. For the rest it's more like he's caring more for what they may become, a sort of "for our children" situation. The Emperor is behaving a lot like an Old One. Remember how the Old Ones refused to grant the Necrontyr the secrets to sunscreen, without further elaboration? It was too small for them, is my guess. A LOT of what the Old Ones did is eeringly echoed in The Emperor, and it's sort of Tolkienesque. Morgoth+Sauron -> Sauron+Saruman. Silmarils -> One Rings. Beren+Tinuviel -> Aragorn+Arwen. You get the picture. Conclusion: The Emperor is in actuality an Old One, maybe the last one, and hellbent on revenge. His compassion for humanity is no more than that of an admiration of something someone else has created, and his love for his creations is because it's what drives the Old Ones to create living things, like daughters embracing their dolls.

@@gandalf8216 Very interesting theory.

@@gandalf8216 "sunscreen" lol

Exactly. I don't think the emperor is a "false" god. I don't think he's a god at all. He didn't want to be worshipped and forbid it originally. I didn't know what was going to happen with him being "dead" but now it seems kind of clear. With everyone worshipping him, and him absorbing millions of psykers, he is about to become a being capable of challenging the chaos gods to save humanity once and for all.

Any human worship would create gods. Zeus was probably real once.

And his religion oppresses innocent Human and non-Human minorities, even it's own believers.

Just a theory but consider the idea that psychic power across humanity is neither created nor destroyed much like matter. So when all the ancient psycher/ shaman were in a nice small population on 1 planet, their powers were outrageous being that it was it that all gathered in one point. Then follow the story as it is known. Sensing changes in the warp and problems with reincarnation they gather and combine their already outrageous powers in an attempt to hold it all in one vessel. Perhaps it worked but not perfectly and now psychic energy randomly appears across the galaxy in humans randomly. In that case, the golden throne and imperium itself could be seen as a tool to reclaim those lost psychic energies by bringing them once again back to the emperor to be added back into the collective.

wow, that kinda makes that really suck for him, it means he was defying fate and lost, and that Lorgar won.

​@@harrietr.5073 "And his religion oppresses innocent Human and non-Human minorities, even it's own believers." yeah, it doesn't really even stand out that much

That is pretty much confirmed, he's stronger than nurgle now so I'd be surprised if he wasn't

@@PeachDragon_ I mean orcs get smarter the bigger the population is and their vicinity to it. Along with them literally making physics defying weapons and structures do to them just believing in it so hard. So if they can make rockets explode more just by believing if it's painted yellow, who knows what humanity could do.

@@Kspice9000 i am sorry to disappoint but that's not how this works. Orks have the specific ability of belief, humans Don't, humans can't make a mountain of scrap into a tank by just believing that it works, orks can. Humans affect the warp with their faith, not real space like the orks

Me too. I think it makes the most sense for the emperor to be his post-malak title, and that he became a sort of reluctant ally or champion to Malal, and that it was Malcador who proposed this, as neither could see any other way to effectively oppose the other chaos gods. (it also kinda explains why 'alcador' so strangely altered his name at some point and why 'Malak' was so signficant from a symbolic perspective, given the literary similarity to the original name of the renegade god.) It could also quite conveniently explain how and why the emperor of mankind seems to so rapidly alternate between sincere benevolence and care for humanity and ruthless tyrannical arrogance and cruelty, as he desperately tries to maintain his sanity and humanity while Malal slowly but irrevocably eats away at the emperor's soul. I could go on speculating but yeah, really cool idea.

@@zacherytobin6434 Could also explain why the Emperor has failed to regenerate. It's not only the astronomicon burning up his soul, but a far darker entity slowly gnawing away at it. Like Oryx and his worm, the Emperor will always be guttering down towards his death, unless he finds some way out of it. Perhaps the reason the Great Crusader needed to be done so quickly was because the Emperor needed to find some way to combat Malal, and he couldn't do that while having two coordinate a galaxy wide war. To be honest, Malal gnawing on his soul would recontextualize or otherwise reframe everything the Emperor did, does, or will ever do. Which is why it will be years until anything like that gets revealed, because that revelation alone shakes the entire setting to its core, speculate but it is fun to speculate and dream. Perhaps if Games Workshop doesn't end up doing that, it would be something of a missed opportunity.

I like this alot.

@@irishspartanstudios I thought the Emperor couldn't regenerate his body because it required a lot of psychic energy and focus to perform, and he can't take his focus off of sealing the webway for even a second.

@@KarpetBurn Yes, what I was saying was a theory.

You didn't capitalise He. Why don't you step into this corral, did I mention you'll get to see the Golden Throne?

Shall i fix my bayonet ?

Your little inquisition will only bring demise to your dying "empire"

Heresy is answered with an assassins bullet.

Burn the heretics!

And the longer it takes for the Terminus Decree to be enacted, the more powerful He is in his new form. Kunnin. I mean, Clever, very clever!

Sadly, your theory rests on the belief that the Emperor is not now a God. This is heresy. The purging begins in...

This... actually does make sense

This theory makes sense and is one I personally subscribe to, but even if the Emperor became a legitimate God wouldn't the others just jump him like they always do when one of them grows too powerful

This could also be true without him having benevolent intentions. Making him another tyrant god if he succeeds. He could also become a god this way without this being his intention at all, it doesn't need to be planned.

Chaos gods manifesting in physical form as such is not really something I've ever come across so the Emperor *literally* being malice is a bit of a long shot. He could well be a *Daemon prince of Malice* (the most powerful daemon in the warp possibly) and that would in fact make a *lot* of sense. It explains the need for Mankind to dominate the galaxy, because Mankind is the chosen tool of the Emperor's, a psychically capable race that could have enough temperance and endurance to literally starve the chaos gods of emotional energy, by spreading across the galaxy and annihilating all other warp-sensitive races. It would also make sense of the Burning Legion and the Saints as daemons of Malal. It also would explain why the Emperor did NOT want to be worshipped as a God as it would feed emotions of faith into the warp that would congeal into Malal's daemons, possibly somehow entrapping Malal into the warp or making him dependent on humanity's faith, increasingly so over time, subverting Malal's plan to use humanity as his chosen instrument for the destruction of the other chaos gods (that is, assuming Malal didn't want to become Order). And although the Chaos gods succeeded in derailing Malice's designs, they didn't totally defeat them and through a great twist of irony humanity's faith has sent mankind and Malice down a path of symbiotic evolution, where Malal has to some degree changed from simply being the anti-Chaos god into an "Order God". I quite like this idea of humanity this forgotten toy or failed experiment that the Old Ones simply abandoned after having far greater initial success for their own goals with the Eldar, and Malice being the underdog of Chaos selecting humanity, the underdog of the 40k verse, as his chosen instrument.

@@dionbridger5944 That was a beautiful response, damn! I mean, the whole "Malal will become dependent on humanity's faith" is actually a really good counterargument. As a thought, Malcador still could've been worshipper of Malal, and he could've been the one to approach Emperor with the idea; if we are going along with that idea. Also, the "humans are forgotten, poorly made toys of Old Ones" sounds like something that you would expect from warhammer universe.

Only problem with that was the emperor literally fed the warp. The expansion of the imperium is what fed more souls and powered the warp more than anything else since the eldar and the fall. The warp would actually be much weaker.

Tts?

" Just because something is factually accurate does not mean it isn't also mind numbingly stupid" The master of mankind

It is kinda pyramid shaped...

Nagash was weak

@@indrickboreale7381 Without a doubt, but for some reason everyone seems to like his second hand crap :P

@@indrickboreale7381 Didn't he create stuff like the black pyramid? He is weak, but his creations are not

@@indrickboreale7381 "Nagash was weak! We surpassed him!" Me, after listening to Manfred in Total War 2 for 20 minutes:

Damn, thx

I loved that scene.

Also it needs to be stated more that the golden throne wasn't finished and I somehow doubt the Emperor would be as short sighted as to make Magnus as a really big temporary battery. It would make more sense then that the Emperor was working to perfect the design so that someone (such as Magnus) could sit on the golden throne and use it without burning themselves away.

My own head cannon is that the Golden Throne was completed as you describe but was damaged by Magnus when he was trying to warn the Emperor which has lead to the level of strain the Throne puts on users now. I agree that the Emporer would not have planned for the Throne to burn through Magnus (or himself for that matter)

I wonder if Lorgar could power the Golden throne...

‘He’s’ an STC

@@patrickbyrne5070 STC?

I agree he is a weapon made by man kind in the golden age or the dark age. I have been attacked on this on a few other channels. Not a STC, a weapon that is a man.

@@wanderingwonder111 sweaty toed commando

@@wanderingwonder111 no I’m kidding. Search STC 40k lore on KZfaq you’ll get an idea where I’m coming from. This guy Luetin has a good vid on it. It’s all dumb af but it’s kinda fun and basically I’m proposing that the universe was kinda run by the AI still as man said- but in a weird weird way. Like you feel bad for the simulation type isht

Agree on the level of detail being exactly right

Oi! I live for that manotinous level of detail most days! Then again, I'm a jeweler...so I am biased on this subject... Luetin! If you made a long form video going into extreme detail every day, I'd be there without exception that does not involve me being dead or without internet! Come on everyone, no matter your favoured level of detail, let's give Papa/Inquisitor Luetin a round of applause. Indefinitely. "I will shoot the first of you who [stops clapping]!" - my/his/our/every commissar.

Darktide is good book

Fabius Bile, the Rick of the Warhammer 40k universe

@@chrisvinicombe9947 Do you mean Black Tide? I couldn't find a Dark Tide book. Sorry, just trying to make sure I have right book before I buy it.

@@ledzep215 ah yeah your right. Black tide it is

Damn that's based af

Emperor is Malal

That supports the Emperor is Malice theory imho.

I always viewed it as the emperor telling them subtlely "I am human, my astartes are human, my custodes are human...you too are human." Essentially saying that all humans can and should aspire to be as powerful as gods. After all the emperor was born from human souls.

Or our lore is intentionally vague and not entirely accurate about the origins of the imperium and his appearance was highly dramatized over the millenia. Also I think the thought that he was actually a human is much better

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Such heresy cannot continue!

I like the flavour of this heresy.

Lawful neutral can be just as scary as evil. More so in the right circumstances

This is a valid position. Fascism is an excess of order, consolidating power with the government instead of having it distributed

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@@kritsdja mpab

@@kritsdja ywnbaw

I always liked this theory best as well. A very uptight arrogant man with good intentions and the patience of a toddler. In the M41 I do think he's become a God though. Over 10000 years of constant worship has elevated him. Same kind of way Slaanesh appeared

I always found his claim of being "just a man" entirely laughable. He's immortal. To be human is to die. He ain't human. All these so-called perpetuals are just daemons - only thing that makes sense to me.

@@jackclark4598 Just about nothing in 40k makes inherent since though

ya he's just the highlander who survived literally everything thrown at him but his downfall was only brought by his own hand

@@jackclark4598 except John Grammaticus, his name is just too stupid to be a daemon

I like this too, there’s a line in some book that says the emperor overestimated the Zenos threat and it’s implied that distracted him a bit from chaos. It’s also said somewhere else that the other perpetuals viewed him as impatient, a very human trait

Well, it's almost self evident that he is just a man, he didn't necessarily deny that, he could never have conceived of something as stupid and terrible as the imperium if he was truly above humanity.

Exactly

This is what I believe the most. Used his thousands of years of research and experience to guide the human race out of extinction. Being immortal he understands that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Thats why he's so brutal in his ways. Although now I believe he's about to become a "chaos god" and take the fight to them.

thank you

If my memory serves, In dune Leto was trying to free humanity from this trap by somehow making humans Who are free from his own ability to see the future... Like by creating a world so harsh and Dumb that those kind of genes would emerge to adapt to it and finally kill him. Is there something similar in 40k?

Breaking the fourth wall is not the point of this speculation. The point is to use said different motives, different styles and create a cohesive picture out of them. Most of the novels are written in the point of view of someone which is a useful tool in building the narrative. My 6 year old son made the same point as you, now do better.

@@castor3020 the fuck

@@castor3020 Well, that's a very intelligent 6 year old you have.

@@castor3020 "My 6 year old son made the same point as you, now do better." For someone who just made such an illogical implication.. You know what, never mind. I'd have a more productive time reactivating my Twitter. For any future readers, DaBestEmporer is doing a thing called "speculation." Same as Leutin. His speculation, however, just happens to sit on the other side of that fourth wall. Maybe speculating the implications of authors and how they effect the portrayal of character motivations and agendas isn't what you want to do, but the conclusions drawn from widening the scope of consideration are no less valid. If I start spending twice as much every month on gasoline, and you wished to study and speculate on what caused this change in my life, you may have a hard time finding a valid conclusion if you arbitrarily limit your scope to excluding the fact that "gas prices doubled" because it exists "outside the scope of my own motives." The people who are writing the story are every bit as much involved in the hows and whys of characters and who are they are at different points in time as the story events themselves. And sometimes, you may find understanding of a character's motives by understanding the author's motives. Not that it's mandatory: It isn't. But it isn't harmful, either. You can ignore this train of thought if it interferes with your immersion, but pretending this train of thought is stupid or illogical is just backwards. No, you're just extremely easily offended and tend to portray anger as "righteousness." In otherwords, you'd fit right in with the Imperium.

I agree 100%. This was a well known problem with all of the old Star Trek Series. They had some episodes that were phantastically well written and imagined SCiFi Moral and Ethical drama and they had utter garbage Episodes that should have never been considered. Basically, if you binge watch the whole Run you get a horrendously bad impression of some of the shows vs. what you woudl experience if someone who had done so before made you a watch list that excludes all the stupidity and inconsistency. In multi writer settings it IS necessary to filter.....

He tries very hard to talk a priest of the old faith into accepting, that there is no such thing as a god. Only to reveal himself to him which of course has the opposite effect. 10 foot golden halo boi tends to do that. The point is he wants to persuade and engage wirh the Priest as a human. If Malice and big E are connected, then maybe they were intended to be one being but were separated by some force. E might have never really been human, but he certainly seems to want to be one and has an interest in preserving humanity.

I don’t think it’s a minoritarian outlook, the emperor has always been kind of a sympathetic figure because he is mortally wounded on the throne, and yet still uses his lingering physic strength to protect humanity from the many threats throughout the galaxy.

I agree. I believe and hope that the emperor is inherently good, and wants what’s best for humanity. Even if the means to the end seem bad at the interim. The emperor protects!

@@Machiavelli2pc Read "Mortis" that is totally confirmed Back in Medieval Earth, he makes some frankly scary choices and uses some knowledge and power that created the lliteral universe, when it should have been destroyed.

Could play into this by having his 40k self manipulate himself(~30k) into creating this reality. This being the "safest" and ultimates best outcome is a good bit of grimdark imo.

If Captain America became a god.

@@allengilbert7463 Or Napoleon.

Except he has to walk the walk if the chaos gods amped up horus, big e can’t just be a normal guy

@@benjaminghazi787 he is a normal guy who gained extraordinary psychic powers over the millennia. But I always assumed he was a normal man at the start who slowly became stronger and fed off the warp to live forever.

@@casedistortedthe emperor is the final form evolution he’s the complete being, he was never normal from the beginning

that would be a mind fuck, BUT if he shows up in 8000bc with the first agricultural cites as civilization and religion is evolving, he might end up being all of them

Cool

What if he was actually Tzeentch trolling the entire galaxy?

And Hitler, Napoleon, Julius Caesar, Hong Xiuquan, George Washington, Richard the Lionheart, Muhammed... Yeah, the Emperor is basically just all of them wrapped into one guy.

@@soccerandtrack10 It's actually deeper than that. Tzeencth might be the only chaos god who understands that sentient beings have to survive in order for them to survive. When it talks about the Emperor foreseeing the extinction of humanity and stepping in to prevent it, Tzeentch would've have also stepped in to keep the "great game" going.

I feel like the emperor was needed and created to guide humanity and keep them alive till they got to the point of psychers being the next step of evolution but just like his creators he is to scared to die and now he regresses humanity’s progression to evolution by sacrificing the ones he was suppose to lead. maybe the old ones really did mean for humans to become a psych civilization

He’s an edge lord teenager in his maturity level, there’s no way he gamed this out

I am 100% with you on this. The REAL heresy was committed by those that made him a god. However, apparently prayer to him somehow does have some kind of warp effect and maybe having an Emperor cult was the only/easiest route to get the warp effect and protect the galaxy (or at least delay the forces of chaos).

*MUCHO TEXTO INBOUND* The problem is that it’s implied in the lore (to my memory) he inspired or took on the guise of various religious figures in the early days of Earth (Atleast in WH40k). It’s implied he inspired or took the guise of Moses, Christ, and/Buddha during his time guiding humanity. Plus it makes sense, because for all the faults and zealots many of the main religions had, they taught values not just of order but ideals that run contra to the Chaos Gods. Temperance, compassion, honesty, etc. Plus, humans are not purely materialistic creatures, there is a sense of yearning for a higher purpose. A need for such things. If the Emperor was the original inspiration or founder of many of not all mankind’s major religions…he likely knew this. Yet he saw this issue with the zealotry, but instead of sorting them out, I think he completely overcorrected. He went the opposite direction and in doing so also tried creating a system that was based on a bigger lie. As Jaghatai noted, the Imperial Truth is an outright lie. The supernatural in the 40k universe is an objective fact. The Emperor’s Great Crusade to install an atheistic, “rational” worldview killed even more people than the religious zealots before him. Not only that but it was ultimately his and his “perfect” Imperium’s downfall. The Emperor wanted to play god and use his godly powers to shape Mankind’s future. He also borrowed heavily the concepts and designs from past religions, that he claimed have despised. This is not to say the Emperor Of Mankind is stupid, incompetent, and/or weak. Quite the opposite, otherwise the Imperium never would’ve been built. Rather, in a sense of irony, like many of the most intelligent and accomplished of mankind…they can become victims to their ego. Thinking they have everything figured out, when in reality, they don’t. Thus when they make a mistake, it strikes that much harder. Which is no doubt why so many turned traitor. Personally? I think the Emperor would’ve been better of embracing the idea that he was a guardian god of mankind. Instead of destroying and denouncing religion, creating a new one and refining it’s tenets. Also, actually warning people about The Warp and the dark powers, instead of denying their existence. I get the idea of why he did it, but it seems to have backfired spectacularly. Plus, if people don’t know what a thing is, how can they properly defend against it? *tl;dr* I think the Emperor and Imperium would‘be been if the Emperor just accepted the role of a god. That, or not deny the existence of the supernatural.

And funny how that same thing he never wanted becoming a God or worshipped as such is what kept humanity going.

@@cosmictreason2242 shit didn’t go according to plan for him we know as much. But the question is long term, was he hoping to eventually become a god? Or is this all against his wishes like the imperial truth would have you believe?

It would also explain Sanguineous

Oh fugg

@@twintrbo92 Yeah and why his “soul” can be distributed among others like the primarchs at all without leaving him as a husk. He’s got plenty to spare.

Also, the Emperor being Duncan McCloud is fucking badass.

I prefer the idea that the Emperor was actually engineered by a surviving Old One and that the shamans were killed, by that Old One, and their souls were harvested and used to create the Emperor's soul. This would explain his advanced biology compared to other naturally occurring human perpetuals, who have pretty much regular human bodies. This would fit the grim dark nature of 40K and the theme of history being covered up with propeganda; the shamans willingly coming together and sacrificing themselves for the greater good of humanity makes a more inspiring origin story than a bitter xeno from a dead race made him in a lab and murdered all of humanities early psykers, sucked out their souls, stuck them all into a blender for a while, and then shoved the mixture into his genetically engineered WMD. This would also lend credence to the theory that the Emperor used lesser gods/entities to make the souls of the Primarchs as that would basically be him recreating the process by which he himself was created, just using a different source for their souls.

He is confirmed being Older than the Golden age of man by a few characters that knew him. Also it was confirmed that he was a powerful being, finding ways to elevate humanity as far back as between 2 0 AD to 1000AD So how old was he? Whonactually knows But we know he is currently well.over 40,000 I assume we will find out specifics in the final Siege of Terra books As Ollianus Pius is the only Human older than the Emperor and was his good friend during Medieval Earth. As well as being the very first Warmaster of the Emperor

@@adrienwatson2179 imperial propaganda xD

@@xavier84623 lol Nice I lold Id highly recomend "Mortis" Great book and has some serious jaw dropped in regards to the Emperor and his lore/creation

Nice. First time I’ve seen this theory.

If Perpetuals sprung up as freaks of nature in prehistoric times, why aren't perpetuals born in the current setting? Prehistoric times had maybe millions of people born every century, that could have turned out like that. In 40k, there's billions born every day across thousands of worlds.

@@davidgretzschelcommunicati1630 The salamander dude is a recent perpetual but i dno, they all seem to come from prehistoric times.

Thanks, you just saved me 1h of valuable free time. 😎

OOOOOOH i like! I'm running a game of Wrath and Glory with Malice as the big bad, I'm gonna wind this theory into it. So far, I've revealed that the Ruinous Powers are four faces of a single entity, and that Ynnead is Slaanesh, using Wraithbone to accumulate forces, and that Gork and Mork are Orkish understandings of Khorne and Tzeentch. Malal ALSO being Big E is brilliant.

At the moment, I think AoS have the coolest miniatures. I like AoS miniatures. But the goody goody gundam faction are pretty cool too, so there’s that.

Oh no, youre one of us now

Honestly, at this point, the lore of the universe - which is so vast and so much of a deep dark abyss that it might take a lifetime to read up everything - is more interesting than the games. ...Except a game where I can play as an Imperial Guardsman. That's the main reason I am so psyched for Darktide. Finally... a lasgun.

The black library belongs to the harlequins

It goes much deeper The Emperor and god like being play on a level higher than Daemon Thry deal in the language of primordial creation Enochian, true names of powerful beings are not just Daemon but Enochian and unpronounceable. Even reading a word in Enochian ends up possihly destroying your mind or making you do something Language used by the Old Ones

Just wow! This is my head cannon now on!

Sounds fun, but the Emperor's relationship with Ollanius kinda dismisses this theory entirely.

@@Echo1Vyr not necessarily- while wh40k books and lore have spoken about Ollie's and the Emperor have had past interactions throughout human history, those "recollections" have been as rememberances by Ollie - it's not impossible that the Emperor could force false memories or give off a feeling of familiarity, especially to Perpetials and various others, to reinforce the idea that He had always been around. What I like about this theory is that it explains why the Emperor did nothing before appearing in the 30th century. It makes more sense (to me) that he didn't exist yet, rather then he was waiting for people to evolve to become more like him. I know there are a few holes in the theory, such as how could the Emperor have defeated the void dragon if he wasn't around, or how does he know so much if he didn't exist yet - what I think fills those gaps is part of Luetins head cannon theory about the last Old One. What if the final ingredient to create the Emperor was the Old One merging, or encompassing the physical form Malcador was creating - if that was true, the actions accredited to the Emperor in the early days could have been done by the same Old One, which makes a little sense - an Old.One would have more knowledge of the universe then even the Golden Age human empire, and sole C'Tan would more likely have been defeated by an Old One then by a powerful human psychic.

Nah. Other perpetuals knew him since way back.

@@CountingStars333 Good Point - but truth in the 40K universe is very subjective. There are no flashbacks or paintings that I know of shown by the 40K lore to prove this - only the word of others that they knew the Emperor in the past. It's not impossible that the Emperor has implanted the idea that the perpetual knew Him, so as to create distance and obfuscate his actual creation (it is certainly within his power). There is also the possibility that the Emperor's presence in the Warp is so powerful that he can bend the perception of time around him - like the fact that Slaanesh seemed to exist long before he/she actually came into being. The Emperor might be so powerful that perpetuals perceived that he was indeed with them all along, even when he was born much later.

My question is what of the Starchild and what about the sensei does that factor into what the emperor actually is who we might be what is motives might be? Are the sensei perpetuals? Is the Starchild the ultimate culmination of the perpetuals of being even more powerful than a perpetual? Perhaps the sensei are the perpetuals in another form? Is the Starchild just a manifestation of power say like the chaos gods are a manifestation of certain aspects of humanities darker aspects. Could not the emperor be a god but not a god of benevolence and Goodwill but perhaps a god as the chaos gods are god of wrath or death or vengeance and then that would supplement your views that he could be the chaos God of malice that seems likely to me but he could also be considered a virtue in that he seems like a god of knowledge of curiosity there are Greek and Roman mythologies surrounding individuals in mythology that sought knowledge and wisdom that was forbidden and led to their downfall or demise the tragedy of knowing something you shouldn't know

@@Cursed0rDamned from my reading, the sensai can be perpetuals, but they're not always. The Starchild storyline seems to have shifted to it being related to the Tyranids, in the literature genestealer cultists refer to the Star children or the birth of a Star Child, so perhaps its in reference to thier 'god' or gestalt consciousness. If I'm being totally honest the sensai haven't been mentioned in over a decade, thier essence is used as ammunition so perhaps they've all been wiped out. Whereas the Star Child lore has been a plot point in the last couple of years so perhaps thats an indication.

This, so many people skip over the Men of Gold and go to the Men of Iron, but the Men of Gold was ment to be the ultimate of humanity, the Big E could have been a Man of Gold that hid/ or was imprisoned till he was needed

This makes the most sense of the timeline. The fact that emps didn’t do anything until 30k is highly suspicious if he existed before the warp storms

@@cosmictreason2242 yep

Men of gold? I'm not familiar with that bit of lore.

@@seekingabsolution1907 it’s deliberately vague. During the dark age of technology there were three groups of note, the men of stone (probably robots), the men of iron (probably AI) and the men of gold (probably ubermensch). Note that the parentheses are purely my speculation. All know is the men of iron went to war with the rest of mankind and caused the whole civilization to collapse. Consequently people infer that that was basically a Skynet machine rebellion. The details of what these factions were and did are deliberately fuzzy to provoke thought and debate

Fun fact. Religion explodes after a wave of quashing. Especially if you have martyrs. And in this case you have both.

#facts

Exactly I was grinding in clash of clans but when the notification came I stopped everything I will first watch this

Agreed.

I just came from work and as i dropped my bag and took out my phone i saw the upload. Here we are and i know what i'll be doing now

Literally me rn

The African origin has been disproven.

@@viktordickinson7844 What? When? And How? All of our fossils of early humans come entirely from Africa.

@@viktordickinson7844 Got a source my dude?

@@belthesheep3550 he made it the fk up

@@FateDarkess Psykers, son, they get sacrificed in response to trauma

“Thank you for your service, but you are tainted” *BLAM*

Seems less silly than a mass suicide pact which is a pretty extreme thing to do no matter how much of a threat they believed chaos posed

damn, they should be teaching 40K lore in school because I could definitely write a whole essay about it. Hell, I'm watching one right now!

I love this idea, but how do we explain the Emperors great age?

@@TitusCastiglione1503 I mean, he's still pretty old

@@TitusCastiglione1503 his memory could easily be fabricated by his makers or something, maybe even the sigillites created him.

@@TitusCastiglione1503 It is well known that the Emperor can dominate the minds of others. Every "memory" of the ancient past, isn't his own memories. But rather the memories of the minds he dominated through the warp, where time is non-fluid.

Hmmmm order and *true chaos* do balance each other out but would also make thoughts, fleeing, views, and ideas very conflicting and seem bipolar. Your theory is outlandish but I must admit it makes sense in a few key areas. I like it! Also I love Malice he’s my favorite chaos god!

@@justadogobeingdogo5766 I believe that the emperor chose to stall when battling horus. Because in a panic, Malice may have tried to "eject" the emperor from his own body. In an effort to take over and fight back against Horus. Which the emperor allowed to happen because it was his plan.. I don't think it was his plan the whole time. More like an audible being called once he learned about the future in the outcast dead novel. I think it was what allowed him to enter the warp as a new being, the star child. He also would have known what his custodies would do when they found his body broken by the fight with Horus. The act of placing him back upon the throne would trap malice. the separation would allow him to be the one that received power from the faith and prayers of humanity. While the Imperium feeds the throne daily so that it doesn't fully break down and release a very angry and vengeful god of chaos. Which would shed some real light on the terminus decree as well

The "Emperor doesn't love his children" is a thing nerds love to bring up cause it's more grimdak i guess but it's kinda retarded tbh.

perhaps emps allowing horus to injure him was a lie to explain him being so critically hurt and in reality he only just won the fight

Except the Chaos gods don't really think like that. They aren't capable of questioning or altering their own goals, even though fulfilling those goals would destroy them in the end. They are very intelligent, but they are not fully sentient as they are completely incapable of introspection.

@@screamingcactus1753 i guess that could make sense, they are chaos incarnate after-all i guess, but how did you come to that conclusion? what makes something sentient as opposed to intelligent? they are aware of themselves, they have their own specific palaces and realms in which they reside. they are physically there in the warp. for example, khorn was attacked by skarbrand, and slaanesh physically awaits those that can get through its 6 circles of seduction etc. they decide who they raise to be their daemon princes so clearly they are capable of deciding who can serve them to the greatest extent. that would imply to me that they are capable of thought and introspection and any other complex thoughts and even emotions.

@@screamingcactus1753 I cannot think how beings like Tzeentch would be able to manipulate and prepare these elaborate plans spanning sometimes thousands of years if they weren't capable of such things. We do not really know what their goals are except that they are not as interested in physical plane as they are in their machinations in the warp. In that regard physical realm is more like a source of resources for their constant wars in the warp. Well at least that is my head cannon I wanted to share. Half of the WH40k lore doesn't make sense anyway and contradicts itself and it's old. I do not think that at the time of first conceptualization of this part of lore anyone at GW was thinking about it any more than this is grimdark imperium with God emperor and these are space devils with their satanic cults now lets sell some mini figures. It's still an open book that will be retconned a lot.

This whole idea of shamans is curious. In one Novel Magos Cawl with prototype primaris Primus meet and speak with C'tan shard powering pharos beacon remains. Shard told them he sees Old Ones hand in them as Emperor was theire creation.

That’s a good name I approve

What effects do the sororitas have? I’m unfamiliar, unless you are talking about the faith/waaaagh effect humans can have in general.

@@nickcarroll8565 yeah thats what I mean, but also specifically how sororitas seem to carry that ability even when the warp is sealed off by the necrons black pylons. Which is why I thought calling it a human waaagh was fitting, the grey knights have a similar effect come to think of it.