"And in m42, the Angels Vermillion were accidentally subjected to Exterminatus by a Blood Angels fleet, instead of the Xenos world a sector away, blaming it on 'the tides of the Warp'..."

Imagine if the Angels Vermillion tattles to the inquisition and they just say "We already know and don't care". Then the chapter gets deleted by the Blood Angels.

“Which of you have not shared in such slaughter?” Lamenters: Uhhhhh

Let me make it clear as to why Dante hates these guys. *YOU DO NOT BLACKMAIL A SPACE MARINE.*

The Chapter Master was slain by Nercons? Why do I think the Blood Angels called them up and said "hey know that favor you owe me".

If Dante himself claimed the chapter has fallen to chaos and had them declared as traitors then regardless of that they reveal to the inquisition they would not be believed

Why does Dante hate the Angels Vermillion? Answer: because the Angels Vermillion are absolutely repulsive nightmares.

I love the way Chauld just gives Hereon the tour. "So, this is our blood processing plant where we conduct the ritualistic sacrifice of civilians and one of our own so we can bathe in the blood then drink it. I see that look you're giving me, but don't worry fam, we call it "the Sorrowing" because we totally feel bad about having to do it. Now over here is our shrine where we put all the bones after we clean them of flesh. By the way, how are you liking that burger..."

They broke into his chambers and ate Dante's precious prize parakeets.

Wow...Dante has more than enough of a reason to hate The Angels Vermillion. I expected something horrible if Dante hated them, but not THAT bad. Sacred feth!

Somehow I don't think Khorne would be impressed by a Chapter whose contingency plan was "tell on them."

I can only suspect that the Astartes of the Angels Vermillion who traveled to Baal where loyalist shards of a chapter falling to Chaos. Like some of the traitor legions having loyalist groups escaping, surviving and fighting against the traitors from the Horus Heresy it looks suprisingly obvious to me that the Angels Vermillion are experiencing the exactly same. For the case of growing intensity of the violence inside the rituals carried out: I suspect a fall towards both Khorne and Slaneesh. Khorne because they seem to care less and less where their blood comes from they drink, but only that it comes from somewhere. And they take it in more brutish ways. Slaneesh however comes into play as it looks like they take more and more pleasure from it. They also consume it in a kind of celebrating fashion. Something that looks very slaneeshy indeed. But whatever it truely is: we will only know it when the history of the Angels Vetmillion gets written on from official site. Since then, all speculations and guesses are as true or false as mine is.

Angels vermillion sounds like a chaos chapter

With the Angel's Vermillion rituals becoming more horrific, perhaps the chapter is starting to find joy in drinking the blood of mortals, maybe even a pleasure. Perhaps even a decent to the practices of Slaanesh?

The "Angels Vermilion" are completely heretical. They're basically a cannon version of what happens to the Blood Angels in the Nightmare to Come and the Age of Dusk.

It's obvious: They stole Dante's secret pasta sauce recipe.

Wouldn't be surprised if the Necrons killed Chaud because they saw him as a threat to their blood angels ally/tool.

Great, Not only did my Dragons Sanguine die out, now the Angels Vermillion may go khornate. PERFECT

I think youll find its LORD Commander Dante. Emperor damned heretic.

Funnily enough i got this notification directly after finishing your other video about khorne's gift to the blood angels.

If they killed ppl looking for safety with them, then they most certainly are damned.

Two of the founding legions are close to being vampires in space, the Night Lords and the Blood Angels. I figure if the sides of traitors and loyalists were reversed, the Blood Angels would truly become space vampires while the Night Lords would become an army Batmans

The ritual does sound inanely Kornish. Its like appeasing your Korn tainted curse by feeding it, its a STUPIDLY bad idea.

Sanguinius would be disappointed in these sons.

Rather then face their cursed blessing, they would sacrifice all of the Imperium and besmirch the name of Sanguinius to save themselves... they cannot be allowed the survive!

I can very well imagine that Angels Vermilion suffering fever and fever cases of Black Rage is the sign of them falling further away from the connection to their primarch through the blood rituals they perform. In the sense of those rituals slowly transforming them from blood angels sucessor chapter into something else entirely.

I’m a simple servant of the Great Angel. I see Dante thumbnail, I put my like to the video

It's a question of when, not if, Dante will destroy the Angels Vermillion.

Man 40K artists sure do love Low Angle shots when doing the art for Blood Angels.

"A friend in need's a friend indeed, a friend who'll bleed is better" lol

Man Emperor of Mankind: The sons of my favorite bird boy are forgiven. Now go forth and wreck Chaos and Xenos' shit with glorious melee.

I'm a simple man. If I see a theory/video relating to descendants of the 9th Legion Astartes, then I click.

What is it about angelic chapters being heretics? Also, the Eightfold Path, you say? Indeed, this chapter seem to be Buddhist :P

Even from back in the 2nd ed Angels of Death codex I believe it was hinted that the Angels Vermillion leaned more heavily into their vampiric side out of all of the many offshoots of the Blood Angels. All of this updated narrative about them is really interesting and entertaining. It's really nice to see more successors getting fleshed out backgrounds in the setting.

Do you hear that? It's annoyed Khorne yelling from the warp for them to hurry up and turn to chaos already.

Holy shit i can only imagine the rage Dante must feel

The depiction of Captain Fen's voice is just similar how a Dragoon speaks in Starcraft

Ain’t no one told the Angles Vermillion that snitches get stitches 🤔

Meanwhile 1000 psyckers are sacrificed daily to the corp...I mean holy God-Emperor to keep him alive

We need a new Dante model, for such a great leader and him now being the highest ranked, below only Guilliman himself he needs a much more robust and ornate armour set. I love the old model but it's just not grand enough for a warrior of his age and status.

I can only guess that Chapter Master Dante will have to one day attack both the Angels Vermillion and Angels Penitent to the hopes to but down their near heresy level of acts. Cleaning house, Vampire style.

I imagine the Lamenters getting the news that Baal was under siege and being about to come to their parent chapter’s aid, when some arse of an Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor just steps in and waves his finger like “y’all are STILL on a penitent crusade, don’t be getting any funny ideas”.

Ah, another offshoot of the Bloodthirsty-Emo hawkboys. Ima strap in for this.

When I was going through the Devastation of Bhaal and Dante said common in Knights of Blood (which are like an even worst version of the Flesh Tearers) and he said hell no to the Angels Vermillion, I was like, "What the hell did they do!?"After looking it up, yeah that is some Khorne worshiper crap.

This is an INSULT TO MY BROTHER THIS CHAPTER NEEDS TO BE DISBAND!!

I'm early let me tell a joke *Red Ultramarines*

You know you fucked up when the help of a traitor chapter is preferred over yours.

Ey, Guv'nor! 'eresy meter's broke! Look, the needle's all bent PAST the "Maximum Heresy" mark! Never seen that before, usually th' needle don't even move from that mark...

Just did multiple maps for MvM Canteen Crash and now I can watch this and relax.

I like how each of the successor chapters of the Blood Angels all have different gene seed mutations and deal with the Black Rage and the Red Thirst in different ways. It gives them all an interesting twist. The Devastation of Baal has this in spades.

It's likely the mirror on the dark side of blood angels that had the largest impact their actions just reinforced the underlying fear and shame of taint that Dante holds.

Great video dude! I always love hearing stuff about the Blood Angels and their successor chapters. It'd be interesting to see them fall to Khorne and Dante himself purging them/90% of them, maybe some escape into the Warp or something and are seen from time to time. I wonder what corrupted Blood Angel armor would look like?

@40K Theories, great video as always good sir!

I love how utterly screwed the space marines are and how little unification there actually is in the Emperium. It makes for harrowing times, but really good stories.

well, fact that angels vermillion chapter being closet cannibals in it's entirety is an open secret amongst blood angels and their successors, and since we know how knights of blood were looking at the near end of devastation of baal, it wouldn't be far fetched, since it is known khorne has a big hard on for the angels just as much slaanesh does. Though if we consider the older fluff about blood god, i'd say this mechanized slaughter of innocents would avert the blood god's gaze just as much as black rage.. since back then khorne was pretty big on fighting worthy foes in open battles..

Incredibly interesting video, good work Remleiz!

Great video 40k Theories as always.

I think its just that the Angels vermilion raise the fear of falling into Khorne's worship in a way that even the flesh tearer's do not. Both do not seem to hold civilians in any real regard but the FT chapter does it in combat and not in ritual observance. In the grand scheme of things one seems better than the other. The blood god does not care from where the blood flows, and sacrificing a sanguinary priest smacks of heresy.

I think we'll find out what Dante intends in a future book if we're lucky!

Not much different than how the Emperor powers the Golden Throne.

Khorne worshiping blood angels would be worse than world eaters.

Honestly they might be onto something. Just not quite right. The blood of Sanguinius is the thing helping them. In the Blood Angels omnibus, they use one of the.. conversion coffins (I forgot the name) to purge the bad stuff out of a marine. The clan of the pure blood, ironically enough has impure blood.

I can remember reading the sorrowing section in the 'Dante' book, it was an eye opener

Dante becomes Lord Commander of Imperium Nilus. Guilliman leaves Ball. Dante calls together all the succesor chapter masters to a secret meeting they all cast there votes they all unanimously agree the first order of business is to remove the stain of the Angles Vermilion

You don't get to brag about how well you protect humanity when the only reason you're doing so is to protect your own supply of prey.

Great vid dude

I've been learning lore mainly from these videos.

soon the sons of the angel will chant " blood for the blood god"

Honestly, even if they ratted out the Blood Angels, I'm sure first founding privledge would have saved them

Honestly a simple solution here. Annual planet-wide blood drives for the "Guard at the battle fronts" collect the blood over 50 years in a stasis chamber and sacrifice one Astartes at the end or do the same thing there with the Astartes blood. No loss of innocent life and Astartes and you still have all the blood you need. Next challenge!

This is the reason i adore the blood angels they walk the fine line between Loved paragons of the Emperors astartes and Hated Heretical monsters, The Angels Vermillion going down this path dont suffer from the black rage as much but have to get worse and worse to stave it off, while those that dont do these horrible acts are more likely to suffer the black rage, Khorne may hate trickery but this is one horribly tricky move hes pulled.

This is why I like the wolves. Didn't bother making any successor chapters (we'll just ignore that one time that didn't work out so great...), don't have to worry about this kind of shit. And if anyone else commits atrocities against civilians, Logan is quite happy to teleport onto their flagship and behead an inquisitor or two until they stop. A bit of casual bestiality is surely worth it for such peace of mind.

Were the original Raptors Chapter marines Corax's super marine Raptors? if so wouldn't their gene-seed be better?

"Reboot a killerman" Fuck me, I love these dark age of technology subtitles...

Watching this before dinner was a mistake...

See, this is why Tzeentch worship is best. No bloodletting. Just random mutations and arcane power. I for one welcome the blue bird of change.

sounds very similar to the warrior lodges the idea can be made to sound good but they are slowly and surely succumbing to their inner desires and flaws instead of building up a resistance through moderate indulgence to placate the beast within in the end all paths in the warhammer and 40k worlds lead to the powers of chaos it's all about resisting and fighting against the inevitable end or a new beginning depending on the view point

The hypocrisy of the wolves and the blood angels is truly, truly staggering.

Well He Had Good Reason, Good Work as always 😎,May Emperor Protect you 😎!!!.

Some of the Angels Vermillion made good on their commitment when they were hammered while coming to aid Baal. They admitted fault and came to make a sacrifice of themselves. As far as the rest of their chapter, whatever remains of the hundred, I can't remember if any of them remained after the battle, should be held aside and the remainder of the primaris and normal Blood Angels successor chapters should be led in a scouring of the main host of the Angels Vermillion. This is a great application of the new primaris sons of Sanguinius.

Das a big power axe

From the Blood Ravens Vaults: a vox recording believed to be of Primarch Konrad Curze, at the end of the Heresy era. "So, I'm talking to Sanguinius on my last night hanging out at his pad in the soon-to-be Unremembered Empire, and we start talking about the kids. 'Bro,' I tell him, 'I've seen what's going down. My brood are just violent screw-ups thinking their atrocities are going to win points from their daddy. Too bad for them I stopped giving a damn about 'em, and they're just going to be carnage carnies in space. But yours ... oh boy, good guy vampires serving a superstitious lot that would burn them at the stake.' The Angel gets all huffy, saying it's not his fault and I just laugh. 'It's always our fault! We got Wonder Dad on the gold chair being the biggest hypocrite in the galaxy, claiming we're perfection when he slipped in a bunch of untested weird genes that really aren't working out in order to make us demigods -- tell me, do I look like perfection and a god? Does Mortarion smell like an angel? And then guys like you and me attracting the eyes of things he doesn't tell us about, except Magnus -- and he's freaking out because his Space Marines are growing eyes on their noses and turning inside out, all while he's too ignorant to realize that warp he dabbles with IS the reason they're mutating. And of course Dad being Dad, he drops off the muties and leaves Magnus to figure warp magic and DNA issues out alone -- and look where that got him. You think Dad is going to help you figure this one out if you get to Earth? Might as well be Angron, and he was stupid enough to ask Lorgar for help with his hair.' "I must have hit a nerve, cause Sang just froze and did the Munch scream, and that second sight of mine -- thanks, Dad -- showed me it was freaking out his kids down the road. A bunch of pale, fanged Space Marines that would be mistaken for Drukhari 'roid rejects, with blood dribbling down their chins, screaming for heretic burgers and snarfing down shroom-skins. 'Eat, my brothers! EAT!' "Hey humanity, sorry to tell you: we're boned, and it just gets worse from here on. But on the bright side, ya'll taste like fine pork chops. One of the first things I learned, by the way -- oh so civilized Dad gave me cannibalism perks. So do yourself a favor and head off to places getting terrorized by warp spawn, giant bugs from another galaxy or Angels Vermillion and ask to be eaten first. (Slurps evilly) Let the galaxy charbroil, piggies."

What they did is wrong, but that's their business. I rest easy knowing the Angels Encarmine are Dante's favorites.

shame, I thought it was because they borrowed Dante's hedgetrimmer 700 years ago and never returned it.

Just wait until the Salamanders hear about this.

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Some atrocity here and there prevents heresy all day! Sounds legit to me. The emprah sacrifices many a soul just to keep alive.

I wonder why the Lamenters could not arrive at Baal in time ? Oh wait :( (Cries in Lamenters)

0:46 - (monotone) All hail Big Papa Ultrasmurf. | 2:10 - The same hive fleet that the Blood Ravens dealt with. | 3:25 - Vermillion...as in Red...as in Red Angel...that might imply that they're loyalist World Eaters, but we can rule that out as they have the Black Rage and the Red Thirst. | Although, even the Blood Angels have standards, how bad must the Angels Vermillion be for the FLESH TEARERS to be better?!

Another great video, can you do one on the Charnel Guard? No reason of course; it's totally NOT my chapter or anything... :D

Angel's Vermilion: *steps one foot* Every other Blood Angel: *SCREEEEEE*

Khorne must LOVE the Angels Vermillion....

Angels Vermillion don't have first captains, they have thirst captains.

Still not as bad, or as hated as the Marines Malevolent.

Excellent 👍

I am a simple man, I see daddy Dante I like.

Considering all the punitive slaughters regularly committed by the Imperium Angels Vermillion could fill their blood storages there while doing their job.

That would be an amazing fight between all the sons of the blood against the inquisition. I play blood angels and I've been pondering for years how a renegade sanguiniuos chapter would act

A long time ago, one of the Angels Vermilion tickled Dante's nuts.

glad to hear somebody has the balls to stick up to dante.