If I were to be any space marine, a mentor doesn't sound too bad. Teaching others and aquring knowledge to better teach others sounds like an interesting role to play in the Warhammer40k universe.

Mentors, the freshmakers.

Their methods seem similar to Unification Era Emperor's Children, given they also primarily deployed alongside the early "Imperial Guard" and led unaugmented humans into battle. Rather than deploying exclusively with other space marines.

The Alpha Legion don't even know what side their on. "Pride themselves on knowing everything..." bahahahahahaha

Dark Angels are quivering in fear rn knowing someone out there other than alpharius are as secretive as they are

Great to see a updated video on the Mentors. I love their color scheme and lore

So basically another Space Marine game with you as a Mentor would be the coolest crap ever as you'd have a character who adapts to a variety of situations, will go out of their way to see what imperial forces are up to, hunt down particularly stubborn enemies and go searching through areas that might contain useful data and/or otherwise information.

Man Spear of the Emperor's plot twist still gets to me to this day.

So they are Green Berets...

ah yes, the Biel-tan Marines

3 things: First- when transplanting organs, doctors often look to the closest living family member first, as there is far less chance of rejection. Given how valuable and how much goes into making an Astartes, every possible way to prevent organ rejection should be used to ensure such a commodity is not wasted. Second: A reason The Mentors could be of 1st legion stock is because of their motus operati. How else to better scout for fallen than to assign as many operatives as far and wide as possible under the ospace of teaching or aiding fellow Imperial forces all over the galaxy? A believable cover for a truly emense scouting mission. Third- The possibility of chimeric geneseed. The Mentors conform well and obey the chain of command nearly as close as an Ultramarine or a Novamarine does the Codex Astares, but also their penchant for secrecy much like Dark Angels. To add to this, the secrecy the serf was sworn to would hint that the Spears were close to the truth of the geneseed, just not entirely on. Especially given in her memoirs she could not stress enough that she did not reveal chapter secrets about their geneseed.

This is basically marines saying: "screw it, how about you fight instead of calling space marines for everything".

I thought that becoming a primaris was risky shit, now it is a senzu bean...

For some reason I always thought they had some ties to the blood ravens

My guess is they are alpha legion though because they have the same basic structure of secrecy and separating into different units

Finally! You cover my second fav chapter again. You made my night. Thank you lore master! Have a fantastic rest of your day!!

The Alpha Legion warband named [REDACTED] also work for the SCP Foundation, it seems

Dark angels, on the lookout for fallen trying to blend in the imperium

Ultramarines are also notable for having good relationships with most imperial forces, they’re among the most likely to integrate plans between themselves and guard or militias where the arrogance of some chapters may lead them to act independently and without coordination

Its now believed the Mentors are an Ultramarine successor chapter. Their heraldry and tactics (including their secretive nature) are actually quite similar to certain Chapters of Ultramarine legion during the Great Crusade.

hmm could it be the genetic lineage of horus? just a thought

Well, its kinda boring that they were outright confirmed in The Spear of the Emperor to be Ultramarines successors

I still don't understand how a body that is too mangled to be interred into a dreadnaught can be a fleshy primaris with no I'll effects.

I think you broke your "indeed" record for this video, lol ;)

dont forget their Spanish brothers, aka "La Mentors" .............

What if they’re an amalgamation of all the Loyalist Primarchs? So they get a diverse amount of tactical opinions and mindsets

I think that Corvus Corax is the most likely parent. If you go by the fluff an not the tabletop he is all about gathering Intel, recon missions and getting the best tech to pull off said missions. This Primarch was also all about saving the most people with the least Space Marines possible. Look at the way he freed his home world. Look at the way he fought an over whelming Khrave force to save a human world that the Khrave had ruled for generations. Look at the way he hated being forced to attack Gate 42 the way other legions would. Look at the way he hated how Horus had been using the Ravenguard as hunting hounds. An as far as the functioning gene seed, well I personally believe it would be very easy to take the last novel written by Edgar Allen Poe shortly before his death an transform it into a story about a Primarch going into the Eye of Terror on a one way mission of vengeance. An leaving the realm of imagination only when he is able to leave his pain, vengeance and regrets behind. An I also personally feel it would be poetic if the Primarch who was based on the man who helped inspire the creation of Sherlock Holmes and who wrote the most famous story involving the Spanish Inquisition has spent millennium as a secret Inquisator. To me they are the most recent sons of the Primarch of the Ravenguard.

Perfect timing! I am reading Spear of the Emperor right now. Excited to listen to this.

Their intelligence, analysis and readyness to work with the Guard means, the Iron Warriors cant be ruled out either

I liked the theory they're Iron Hands successors who were created by the Mechanicus for testing new toys.

Since 1988 I never worried about it. Then Spears suggested it was Ultramarine, but now I just don't know what to think. More importantly though, when I'm asked which is my squad sergeant, I reply "All of them!". Just wish they could get some of their unique weaponry back in game.

Perhaps a video on the Raptors space marine chapter?

Was not aware of this chapter, a pleasant video.

Another good and interesting video, good work!

Sons of the Hydra is one of my favourite chaos related black library novels. Loved the Redacted and I really hope they release more.

You should make a 1st April episode called "Who is you Space Daddy? And what does he do?"

Organs ? what are those ? - yours sincerely Iron hands

If memory serves wasn't Alpharus suspected of having a twin? If true this could open up the possibility that while successors to the 20th legion, their progenitor wasn't Alpharus, but his twin

Love your videos, very informative. Would love to see a "What if the traitor legions didn't retreat after the death of Horus" theory video.

I'm going with Big Bob being their Dad. The whole "they're a bit secretive" thing can be applied to tons of Chapters. Including Ultra successors.

Woah that ultramarine twist gets me every time. What a curveball.

By the emperor! Yes this is gladly appreciated! Keep up the good work Inquisitor!

Good to see you again, Lord Inquisitor.

Is it possible they use a chimeric alpha legion/ultramarines geneseed?

Not a single dislike so far. Flawlessly well delivered video. I've been looking for some schemes and stories to have my Iron Warriors struggle with. Time to paint those Assault Intercessors.

I'm hugely in favor of the Mentors being Alpha Legion descendants.

We are Legion for we are many, but not so many that we can send more than a squad to help you.

I’d like to believe they’re a mix of Alpha Legion and Ravenguard, or just Alpha Legion. After the Alpha Legion stole the brand new, advanced geneseed stocks, provided to Corax from the Emperor; they kept it for themselves for future use, realizing the potential it provided. They then used this geneseed, mixed with theirs, to create a new legion that could be outwardly pro-Imperium, using techniques and tactics similar to them and the Ravenguard, since both legions’ doctrines compliment eachother extremely well. This new legion could be outwardly loyalist, whereas the AL is clearly deep undercover (or are they?) and cannot blow their cover. They have to support the Imperium from the shadows of the darkest parts of the galaxy, whereas these Astartes can provide everything the AL have going for them, without having to play the long-con and mind games. The mixed heritage would also sow doubt and confusion as to their origins and throw off anyone who digs into them and doesn’t see any clear indicators of what specific geneseed they inherited. It could be enough to put some distance between them and the AL, keeping any of the traitors from being more suspicious than they may already be.

Well I arrive late to this video. Mentor legions are one of my top 3 favourites chapters, I love their Navy Seal, Delta Force, Green Beret, kind of thematic I think is really original for a space marine chapter. Here are a couple of points I always thought about the mentors: 1- since it is a highly experimental chapter for everything, we must take into account that this is like this even at a biological level...members of unusual strenght and bigger than average...sounds like a primaris or at least a prototype, not full primaris, but some level of experimentation for them. 2- Since we know that Cawl and Seydane are the same, and Seydane wasn't a member of the mechanicus and was more than eager to use experimental and forbiden science, and we know that cawl does it too maybe because of the symbiotic mind they share AND it is there the rumor that cawl might have used genseed from the traitor legions in some primaris at least parcially. My point here is that, maybe, cawl and the mechanicus were trying to see if they could create new stable genseeds by extracting stable parts from various ones (including those traits considered to be "positive" from the traitor legions) and mixing them up to create new stable geneseeds so, in fact all those chapters mentioned could be part of their genetics, they are wise and efficient in war, as the ultras, they are stealth as the ravens, they are spies as the alpha and they have inner circle theme like Dark Angels. Maybe that is the reason why the star scorpions are said to have unusual and destructive mutations, because it was a first phase experiment that went wrong, in fact, maybe the got too much of the Alpha Legion in their genes and that's why they suffered from so many mutations.

Im starting to wonder if Corax didnt find a solution to the melanchromic deficiency while mucking about with the Emp's cliff notes on how to make a space marine. Having that clear sign being the signal everyone looks out for instead of actually running tests would benefit the Raven Guard who wish to obfuscate the true total power they can call on while ostensibly not breaking the codex astartes. It's what I would do, franchise out and adopt a quiet "last wall" sort of protocol. Corax' last transmission before entering the warp has *always* seemed like a "go code", an instruction to begin a particular operation. What this says about the Mentors I dont know but it is interesting how often an unknown primogenitor is assumed to be Corax

Now I wanna see a video on the heritage of the Sons of Malice I'm just gonna put it out there - Night Lords

I figure they're probably Ultramarines. It's pretty clear to me that they're meant to be facsimiles of the US Army's Special Forces Groups and any similarity to the Raven Guard is merely coincidental.

Hi. Medical field here. The simple fact is, there's a lot of science magic in warhammer. That said, they treat the lineage like one would a blood type, if we are using that as a perfect analogy, you can use different blood types in real life, it's just a REALLY BAD IDEA. But. A space marine would have a substantially easier time dealing with that. The rate of rejection would go up. I believe at first, the survival rate for the Rubicon Primaris was around 40%, and it went up as time went on. Spears of the Emperor was set around a hundred years later, so let's bump that up to.. oh let's say 60% just to play it on the low side. And then deduct 10% for complications of incompatibility from different gene lines. You now have a 50/50 shot. .. Simply put, until the Cawl era stuff, whoever's wrote the sections on making a space marine? They were a biologist or someone smart enough to make me think they are. The Cawl era stuff is science magic. If I has to throw a guess out there, the Mentors came from either Fulgrim, Lorgar, or the one I prefer, Magnus. They are all know it all types, so it fits. Magnus had a gene seed that seemed perfectly fine, then became very unstable due to warp stuff, and that instability could work in favour of plot for transplants. .. This was not one of my better explanations. Science science science, magic. Yeah, that about covers it.

Could it be possible that the Mentors are a successor of the Alpha Legion, but carry Omegon's gene seed instead of Alpharious? It is true that they are twins, but the years since the Heresy may have resulted in a divergence between the two lines. 40k noob, so may be totally off base ramblings

Hmmmmm. Nice theory. That's what i think. XD But srsly, i think UM only cuz it makes sense since guilliman has the biggest amount of sparetartes after the heresy. Also would like to see you do Red Hunters Reimleiz! :D

Doo doo doo doo, doo-doo, do-Wah! It doesn't matter what comes, fresh goes better in life, with Mentors fresh and full of life! Nothing gets to you, staying fresh staying cool, with Mentors, fresh and full of life! Fresh goes better, Mentors freshness, fresh goes better with Mentors, fresh and full of life! Mentors, the freshmakers!

I have a related, non-canon (obviously) fan fic story "Tutelage of Servitude", to which I'd greatly like to have a better reader than myself. It (the story) is on the deep weird side of not just warp but 40k... If you can guess, you win... Everything in my power to give? Mentorship in... Tau Pulse rifle tech!!

The green berets of 40k.

Ask Kawl. He seems to know most if not all of the chapters true daddys and chimera mix daddys.

"hate the idea of anyone knowing more than they do?" Then the Alpha Legion is gonna hate Futurama's brainsphere for sure.

Ultramarines, that explanation is the one requiring the least ifs and is confirmed in the emperor's spears

I had a squad when they were in WD 100something....vortex missiles... OMG lol. I hate how they changed the icons. The owl head was awesome.

I read in some fluff that they went to war with the Bieltan craftworld. I thought that was hilarious.

So the mentors are basically space marine green berets. Main job is to train locals and act as force multiplier when needed. Neat.

The mentors seem like an ideal front for the Alpha Legions loyalist activities.

The Genetic Heritage Of The Mentors ? - Heretical

surely the emperor would of thought to make all astartes blood the same type, it makes sense for blood transfusions and organ transplants.

Alpha Legion Mentors Legion... hmmmm yeah both seek knowledge through Information. Train militia and use small squads. Welp I believe that

Last Men of Iron: Glory to the Corpse Emperor. Killer of more organics then any other “living” lifeform in the Galaxy.

I just jumped out of my chair "Rezna was forced to join the Alpha Legion warband *THE REDACTED*,after being guilty of committing tech-heresy for REVERSE ENGINEERING A TAU PULSE RIFLE." I JUST CAN'T,LMAO AND GUESS WHO CAN SPOT A "TECH HERESY"? THE ADEPTUS *MECHANICUS*

Sounds like a da successor, secrecy is their speciality, plus the da were literally the only legion big e trusted with dark age tech meaning the mechanicus would have no reason to distrust them

@40k Theories the Mentors are seen in 2nd ED Codex Ultramarines by the follower Chaters of the Ultramarines same by other sources! A Mix of Raven Guard with Ultramarines to stable the Genes i can belive too.

You'd have to think that Space Marines are all AB+ to maximize the utility of field medicine by having all Astarties be universal recipients for blood transfusion

Very pure gene-seed, have a birds head as a symbol despite their name, & are secretive (suggesting a dark past)... Emperor's Children?

Haveany chapters requested geneseed and received the wrong samples? Or an Apothecary accidentally removes the wrong GS? Would an apothecary even try to remove the GS of another chapter?

The Ultramarines geneseed could be a kind of universal donor, like 0- for blood.

Would be so cool if they were alpha legion, but i can alsk see dark angels. Also wouldnt be suprised if either of those first two were mixer with ultras

They kind of feel like the platonic ideal of the Ultramarines

I feel like the alpha legion genestock isn't as corrupted as they say it is, its probably that their time within the Eye of Terror causes deficiencies and abnormalities after implantation. But if you look at the geneseed itself, there is nothing too bad about it.

I don't really have any other way of messaging and this isn't really on topic, but what if...despite Magnus breaking the psychic wards in the webway, the Emperor had forgiven him and Magnus wasn't forced into siding with Horus? My thinking is that the Sons would've been on the walls because the Emperor would've recalled them immediately. Even if everything else had gone the exact same way, that one event changes the entire game.

perhaps they are the offspring of one of the two primarchs no one talks about

Hello KZfaq algorithm, an hello Sons of the Inquisitor Corvus Corax.

Mentors are Ultramarines descendants, it says so in Emperors Spears novel and is confirmed in the one Mentor marine in the novel being compatible with Emperors spears primaris organs. If he was not, he would he incompatible.

Could be possible that they could trace their geneseed to a couple primarchs?

11:25 maybe it's because it's 2 most forgettable chapters but what mutations do iron hands and white scars have ? technophilia and fabulous mustaches? PS 12:40 did tactica train you for the pronunciation this french word ?

Is it possible, that the Emperor's Spears have another Gene-father than what they have been told? 🤔

Ask you a question you know the rock band KISS. What type of marine will they be chaplain a primarch mybe same level as the emperor.

Mentor. The ODA of 40k

If I had a penny for everytime I like unknown succession chapters that could be of Corvus or Alpharius/Omegon I’d have 3 Pennies its not a lot but it’s weird its happened 3 times

The Mentors and their weaknesses... The Patronus. It's Harry Potter reference if you don't know, the wizard boy that.... *SLOW, MENACING KNOCKING SOUNDS* oh let me open the do-

Sounds like Iron Snakes but green.

The Alpha Legion also have the most stable gene seed of any legion. So that's another point in the favor of the Mentors be an AL chapter.

Stepping back for moment, how are the mentors played in tabletop? Is all of this just fluff, or do they actually get rules to play alongside an IG army?

Blood Ravens successors 100% confirmed. Sired solely by Cyrus

minute 10:00 * the grey knights should be able to take all outher genestockmaterial because of there unice (pure) heritage shouldn´t the???

The Ultramarine's also have notoriously stable geneseed... perhaps that means smurfs can be unilaterally harvested for all chapters. HEAR THAT BOYS!? Looks like meat's back on the menu!

What if their Omegron descendants?

Proud sons of Omegon.

Why does Shere sound vaguely like Dr. Evil? "The "Alpha Legion" prides itself on knowing everything."

the Mentors or Dementors?