Had an uncle who was a detective in New Jersey back in the day. He had more fight stopping results with a black jack or sap than anything else. He made sure he never struck someone in the head because he said with adrenalin pumping, you could easily cause enough head trauma to kill someone. He always went for the collar bone or a joint and that stopped fights almost immediately unless someone was drugged out of their mind and felt no pain. Then all bets were off.

I had both blackjack and sap, 8 inches each. I agree with your assessment entirely, the blackjack is much more deadly.

I purchased a leather slap in the early 70s as a Deputy Sheriff and was told they were not allowed. Gave it to my sister in law...kept it in the house in case. I got this Device after my grandpa a Georgia State Prison Corrections Officer told me how an inmate attacked him with a steel bar and broke his arm but managed to stop the attack by drawing his leather slap from a back pocket and knocked him out. Yes he went for the head as the inmate was trying to kill him. I would not mind having both devices as they are classic old school police items used for decades. Laws can be odd and confusing and depend on where you reside. A shot from my .45 or 10mm as an example or any firearm is lethal and a strike to the head by these can produce the same results but to an arm or shoulder it can stop an attack but likely would not be deadly. Interesting review of these classic items. Oh my leather slap was a larger version

My dad carried a blackjack often when be was in a job where he had to make a lot of cash deposits in bank night deposits. He was always watchful and spotted people hoping to ambush him a couple of times and avoided them. They would have had a nasty surprise. Dad was a small man, but an experienced combat veteran from the Korean War in the 45th Infantry. Engagements very often devolved into hand-to-hand fighting. Dad always seemed a gentle man, but he was combat proven many times and came put the survivor. So I will say that based on his informed choice, the blackjack must be deadly.

better judged by 12..than carried by six..i like this statement..

Great video! Used both in law enforcement. Very handy and very effective. Avoid strikes to the skull unless deadly force is justified by the circumstances.

Exactly. First thing everyone wants to know is how they can be in compliance with whatever statute gets poured down their neck, rather than surviving the first fight

I respect laws, at least most of them, but regardless of legality if someone is trying to take my life I'm going to do whatever I have to do to diffuse the situation. Sometimes the law isn't in our favor but like I said and I'm sure you say it as well, Daniel, do whatever you have to do to protect your life in a life or death situation. Everyone has the right and should defend themselves in a life or death situation. Remember, your attacker doesn't have your best interest in mind. Thank you for the video, Daniel and God bless you. 😎👍

Back in the day as a young COP working the projects of Philly I was ALWAYS glad to have my blackjack in my back pocket and yes it had its own specific pocket made in the uniform pants just for it, unfortunately those days are long gone for many police departments if not all, great video!!

I was one of those ones you spoke of that had commented, I appreciate the video. I had asked you simply what was the difference between a slap jack it up, like Jack if they were the same or different. A good friend of mine, who worked for the Baltimore county police department back in the early 90s had one that was round and not flat. It had a little bit of flex to it.

We carried either one when I first started at the state prison dept. in fact we had a special pocket on our pants to carry them in. I still have my slapjack.

All the older street cops I've known had them, and all reported them to be dramatically effective. There was one who was SEPTA Transit PD in the '80s and into the early '90s that had to sap people so routinely he'd actually wear out and break them. Mainly he was using the traditional flat sap along the lines of the Bucheimer Texan. This pattern was made by a number of different manufacturers and is still available. The quality of the old saps and blackjacks was generally mediocre at best. I've taken some apart. They seem to have often been made to be essentially disposable, using different bits of scrap leather left over from other products. Today's versions seem to usually be much better quality. The soft loaded sap filled with shot seems to be getting very little attention now, though I feel it may be the best one for delivering a stunning effect without breaking bones. But they all work. The hard loaded slungshot is probably the most lethal of the bunch, followed by the hard load blackjack.

thank you 411 outdoors! first time learning about the blackjack! great info! 👍

I had a slap jack as a Campus Police Officer in the 80s. Usually all it took was one quick strike, and the problem child became compliant.

Excellent video as always! Thanks!

Either one is an effective fight stopper/compliance device when used properly (non lethal application). The sap does less damage because of its flat shape and is more comfortable in the pocket. If one was available and used in many of the videos we see on YT when the suspect is fighting with the police, the affair would be shut down much faster, with less chance of injury to the officer(s).

Thank you for an excellent video!

In my neck of the woods both items are ilegal to posses. However a medieval style coin pouch is not. It works on the same principle as the slapjack. Depending on the amount of change it may pack a little less punch. The coins must be accessible with reasonable ease and noone is even questioning it. The impact device is a good middle ground when a knife does not seem appropriate yet.

I remember as a child watching movies where police detectives carried blackjacks and patrolman carried saps. Both weapons got the job done!

Great video!

Midway sells the Blunt force belt It can do just as much damage and it's legal everywhere

State of Ohio has lifted all restrictions on, saps, blackjacks, clubs, brass knuckles, auto knives, just about any weapons that were before a felony conviction.

I have been watching for a while and agree with most of what you say. I conceal carry a bowie knife and have a large book in my carry bag as a shield from slash and stab. I also carry 2 of the $5 fix blades from walmart as backup and general use. I carry 2 because I sometimes give one away. The last time I gave one away it was to a girl in her 20s that was groped on a city bus. I protected her first then gave her a knife. I would love to see you review some of the cheap knives from walmart. I personaly am a fan of the $5 fixed blades.

I have the black jack that my Grandfather carried as a Royal Military Policeman in Egypt during WW2, for "persuading" errant squaddies to change their behaviour, it is slightly thinner that your version and with a woven leather strap on the end to go around the wrist. I have his whistle, Sam Brown holster, and silver tip from his swagger stick alongside the black jack

The flat sap had the " benefit " of spreading the impact over a wider area rendering it less lethal.😉

Good to know, bro!

DD Whips makes excellent black jacks. They're best used on elbows or knees to reduce fatalities.

I bought a slapper years ago. It's a fist enhancer, and while I have never had to use it. In those places where a firearm is forbidden, the slapper conceals well and is very effective.

One bit of advice from a retired attorney, even if you use one of those in a jurisdiction where it is legal to carry (in the majority of jurisdictions it is not legal to carry) with a few jurisdictions allowing legal carry with a CCP, be very judicious in its use. Remember, there is an excellent chance your actions are being recorded. Those are instrumentalities that are capable of causing serious bodily injury or death. A blow to the neck or higher can be construed as aggravated battery or whatever nomenclature that jurisdiction uses. Why, well they could argue excessive force, asking why you used a high blow instead of a lower strike to repel the attacker? So much depends on the attitude of the DA office. Believe me, they will spin it six ways of Sunday against you if they so desire. This is why pepper spray is so important. It is non-lethal and should be the first line of defense if appropriate. It is all situational. I can almost guarantee you will be sued in tort where the evidentiary standard is much lower than criminal, for compensatory and punitive damages (pain and suffering) even if you are found not guilty of any criminality. If the pepper spray does not work and you have to use a more lethal form of force against your adversary (whatever form of force it is), you have an affirmative defense, that you first attempted to use non deadly force to stop the attack. An individual's actions have to be reasonable. The law follows a reasonable person objective standard, whereas the individual must act as a person of ordinary intelligence and prudence. The courts and the legal system are not an enjoyable place to find oneself. Better have a large war chest to finance your legal battle. Best to all.

Thanks, good video. If you live in a jurisdiction that prohibits weighted bludgeon like saps, there are coin purses made to work as one. Carrying coins in a bag is legal everywhere. A lock in your pocket with a bandana through the shackle can be instantly disassemble d bypulling on one end of the bandana, or drawn for use by pulling both ends simultaneously. If force was justified, the lock was just a weight to keep your bandana from slipping out.

No stories or experience with either, but I appreciate the knowledge. 🙂

Thanks for the video. The obvious summary of the differences is that the blackjack is the same strike from all directions while the sap has a flat side and a sharp side. If I understood correctly, the blackjack has a circular spring to keep the force equal from all directions while the sap has some kind of flat spring. Maybe each is sometimes made without a spring and relies on some elasticity in the leather for any springiness. Maybe I misunderstood about the springs entirely. You make the case here that a blackjack is always heavier. I'm a little more skeptical of that assertion. I wouldn't be surprised if a few people have made lighter blackjacks at different times for different purposes. A few of them might be as light as many saps. From a use point of view, one difference might be whether the individual user is capable of striking as quickly with the blackjack if the blackjack is heavier. With the adrenaline rush of a fight, a fourteen ounce blackjack might not feel any heavier than an eight ounce sap. On the other hand, maybe some people really are faster with a slightly lighter weight. That's part of why I wonder whether some people have made lighter blackjacks. Maybe they like the blackjack design but want to throw faster strikes. I would imagine that the blackjack requires less skill because the strikes are omnidirectional. A sap strike at forty-five degrees might end up being useless as the sap tries to twist in the user's hand. A flat strike has one very clear value, and an edge strike has another clear value. Hitting at another angle might not be as valuable. I'd want to train more if I had a sap. From a legal point of view, most states that outlaw one are going to outlaw the other. In that sense, they will be the same most of the time. To the extent that one can improvise one or the other, legality may be a matter of disguising the function and telling a good story to a police officer. Because of my health, I don't think that I'll ever have a chance to serve on a jury. If I did, I would want to be an influence towards stopping wrongful prosecutions of people who acted in self-defense. If a person is justified in using a sap, blackjack, knife, or anything else in self-defense, then I would vote "not guilty." I would do everything I could to avoid being bullied by the prosecution into convicting someone just because he or she acted in self-defense. If I could find a way to vote "not guilty" on every charge, I would. We cannot optimize our society for both good people and bad people. If we don't allow the good people to defend themselves against the bad people, then we will have a bad society.

Can you provide the contact for the slapjack? I didn’t see it in your drop-down. Thanks!

I have a few coin purse or pouch saps by Todd Foster. An excellent impact device!

Never even knew these existed!

Another good video, very informative, I made my own.

In 1985 wen I was a cop we were issued a slap jack..I wish I still had mine

Boy you have to be in close to use it. A sap as well. Don’t you think a 16 inch steel collapsible baton is still more versatile. Also you can only carry so many things. Knife, gun, pepper spray, spare mag, and I am running out of room. This would probably carry well. I did order Police Magnum pepper spray. Good prices, long dated expiration dates, quick free shipping. Selection and sizes are excellent. Thanks for the video on it.

When my kitten won't stop meowing for milk, I use the sap, and it works great.

Guys in comment section, every subject Dan talks about is a lesson, listen

Lucky Number S7evin mentioned! Not going to jail for that! 👍🏻👍🏻

If you practice and know how to use a weapon. The better prepared you are to defend against that weapon

The baton warehouse has everything

I bought one from the link 🔗 19.99😊

Would love to get your thoughts on the sap cap. Also available on budk for $20

You know my friend 😊....Its better 10 people judge me instead 4 were my coffin 😂

I found a small blackjack in an old police car at the salvage yard. It came apart when I tested it hard against the fender. I decided it wasn't a reliable option for me.

Ive researched this actually. Saps and blackjacks are illigal in my state. New York. However after I learned some techniques for using a sap. I found What makes a great sap, is a leatherman multitool in its case. You can open the case. Hold the open end. And it will hit hard. And work just like a sap. And btw. Lucky # sleven was a great movie :) also. It's not illigal to carry a leatherman multitool in a nylon case....

Miu used a knife, against a group of 13. Got something like 93 years. What if he had a sap? Couple broken bones maybe? Maybe 5 years? It sucks that the gov will go after you for defending yourself, but maybe an impact weapon has a place.

6:25 agree fully

Thanks for sharing. I have no experience with either tool. A sock with a roll of nickels or rocks could possibly do similar job of saving you or putting you in prison. You made some good points of checking your state law or checking your own gut. See ya.🇺🇲🔪🌲🔥

Getting hit was the sap feels disrespectful like a slap😭😭

I’ve been looking at the desantis city slicker are you familiar with them and what are your thoughts of them.

Veterans, 0 > 22 🙏🏻💙🙏 Though it's never going to be enough, thank for the many sacrifices. Love y'all. Land of The Free BECAUSE of The Brave!

Un versed people dont fear the black jack, or so they clain, if you knot arts and tools, the black jack is a devostater, collor bone is prime target, wrists and hands too

What about a tungsten cube or tungsten used vs lead? I ask because its non toxic and much heavier

I'm of the opinion that The Constitution is my only law I follow. My natural rights to defend myself are the only thing I care about. That being said, I own two blackjacks and want to buy some SAPs. Thankfully I live in Utah were I'm free to own what I want.

At least they do not require batteries.....

My father was a policeman in a large Pa. City in the 50-60’s. Just pulling the blackjack out could take the fight right out of people. Which nothing seems to do today, which is more dangerous for police, and the public.

Carrying a black jack might well be illegal in some jurisdictions. Collecting them isn't. Hanging on your front doorknob they can stop a forced entry quickly.

Will S says to go w the sap

Blackjack all day long, it is a man stopper. thiefs used to have them then cops start to use slaps. The is as well slungshot, lock on a sock. Chain and lock, sand bag, sock and sand and many other varitys of this short impact tools.

Better to be trialed by 12, than carried by 6.

I referred a woman the other day to your channel because she is concerned about defending herself and I told her to check out Outdoors 411. 🙄 It's 411 Outdoors. I'm been watching your channel for awhile and I should know it's 411 Outdoors not Outdoors 411 but I'm sure your channel will pop up anyway. I know you know what you're talking about that's why I refer people to your channel. I won't refer people to any self-defense channel that is people crap.

What about sap gloves? Those have gotten wimpy in modern times haven't they?

The black Luan is used by the Dragon Lord😅

In communist NY everything is illegal and they word the laws in a way so that they can arrest you for just about anything and say "you had an intent". Anyway, you might try a review on a steel ball/ lead ball monkey fist. That would be pretty cool to see. I know they are basically a blackjack.

Pretty sure they both are illegal in the Netherlands and maybe serbia I dont know so be aware of that.

i think that there is an agenda to imprison people in the US and they will really focus on the legality of things which support their agenda. i live in california and there are knife and gun laws, if i do use them in a self defense situation i’m more likely to use lethal force just so that i get charged for a federal crime instead of by local jurisdiction because federal laws protect my right to bear arms and local laws do not. a few years ago i was in a situation where a felon with a gun who i had never met was trying to kill me so i cut his femoral artery and called him an ambulance and turned myself in but i got to jail and they told me i was going to do 15 years for assault and battery with a deadly weapon. basically nobody expected him to live and then he woke up and didn’t know that they had me in custody and his story didn’t match the situation at all so then detectives said that “there wasn’t enough evidence to prosecute” so i got out of jail with zero charges…. doesn’t end there. the guy who attacked me only got charged with possession of a firearm and before his court date he tried to do a drive by shooting on a homeless shelter in spokane and got caught did seven years and now he’s out. but i had to leave northern idaho because even though i didn’t get charged with anything i am a permanent suspect in a case which is never going to close where i “assaulted and battered” this guy with “a deadly weapon” so the local police department targeted me to where i was getting pulled over about every day for a couple of years and it was pretty toxic like i would be a hundred percent sober and have to do these submission tests/field sobriety tests as they destroy my truck and physically threaten me on a regular basis so i moved away and now i don’t have to deal with that anymore but if the felon with the gun who tries to murder random people had died i would have got fifteen years…. and that wouldn’t make me wrong either, i should protect myself i didn’t deserve to die i didn’t choose to be in that situation and that’s how easy it is to spend fifteen years in prison.

Perhaps people are thinking the police are standing there watching you use one of these things while you're getting attacked? Most likely not, you're probably alone. The convienant thing is, these are small enough to carry in your pocket and if you find yourself in a situation...? Well, it's quick outta the pocket ... brap! brap!.... maybe one more if he hasn't gotten the message? Then, it's back in your pocket or you wipe it and toss it, if you choose to wait around for the cops, your call. Use common sense though ... you can get a new one down the road. All I'm sayin'. Whoever tells you that you have to play by the rules when you have to defend yourself, does not have your best interests in mind. The key to any prosecution of these things, will always be if you were "excessive ", or "intent to harm" type things. Adrenaline is one hell of a drug, so just keep your cool and say as little as possible. Best not to have to use it at all at the end of the day.

Pro tip: dont do crime with such weapons and youll be fine Dan, pro tip is not for you b.t.w. your a pro in my book, Im a pro and a con, ha ha ha, well ex-con

I always check my state laws before I carry a weapon buddy

I want a SAP embossed with Jesus on it. So when I say I have Jesus on my side I mean it in two ways. One way or another I'll introduce Jesus to whoever attacks me.

You use tik toc? Really?

Might i suggest a video on the Shillelagh.