A real credit to Tysley again!!

Well said ! Many thanks

Our pleasure!

Cheers Bob, triumphant in the face of adversity, a great performance and show from the crew !

Thanks, the bridge always attracts big crowds whatever the engine.

Cheers Dave, hope you're well and thanks for the comment.

@@MarshSteamVideosTM Hi Liam & Phil,Great videos .(I Keep taking the pills lol )...Dave

Many thanks!

Cheers Nigel.

Glad you think so!

Thank you too!

Many thanks Henry, all the best.

Cheers Geoff, the Rattery section was totally unexpected and yes, full marks to the crew !

Errrr....you actually think this is an upgrade on a 'Castle'? I suggest you take a look at this :- kzfaq.info/get/bejne/icBjbMh_277OkWQ.html

@@7007GreatWestern Jubilee over a Castle any day. Jubilees are supreme to any Castle and anything Great Western.

@@jordangriswold1234 Thanks for sharing your objective, balanced, evidence-based analysis!

Well, of course they were originally downrated Castles to fit with the LMS policy of medium power locomotives (Midland traditions died hard). But the double chimney on Bahamas gives it some extra oomph and two of the class (should have been more) were rebuilt with bigger 2A boilers - those would surely have given Castles a run for their money, even after the latter were given higher superheat to match post-war coal and conditions.

'@@iankemp1131 Hi Ian. At last, an intelligent analysis!!! The LMS famously wrote to the Board of the GWR asking for drawings of the Castle Class in preparation for designing the Royal Scot Class. The GWR Board also famously declined their request! Personally, I think the GWR board should have written to their counterparts at the LMS in 1945 and asked them for the drawing for the 'Jubilee Class' instead of pressing ahead with the ill-fated 'Counties'!! You mention the fact that a Jubilee would give a 'Castle' a run for its money. I don't doubt it - quite a few Old Oak drivers thought an ex-works 'Modified Hall' almost as good as a 'Castle. It does make me laugh when you read some of the childish comments on here about a Jubilee being" better that anything Great Western" or that a Jubilee is an 'improved Castle'. The LMS intended the Royal Scot to be their 'improved Castle' - the historical record is quite certain about that.

This is correct and this is usually what happens, though a red light just after Totnes is near disastrous, fortunately it was dry !

Clearly the signalman at Exeter panel not “with it” practically. Should be forced to do a firing turn!!!

@@nickhowes5348 Lol NIck

Jubilees are a class 6P in the BR classification, they were only 5XP under LMS. More powerful than a black 5.

@@PeakBoy45143 Thanks. Still an impressive performance to haul 9 up Hemerdon without the aid of an oilcan.

@@PeakBoy45143 Weren't they 6P 5F or is my memory failing?

Usually the locomotive on the Royal Duchy has a slow descent down Tigley towards Totnes so there's plenty of distance between the service in front, this is usually the case and the worst case scenario is you're held just outside of Totnes but two be checked on the bottom of the bank is beyond ideal ! Not sure why the featured scenario played out, as its usually always avoided and the driver on the regulator pretty much drives all steam excursions up that bank without issue.

If you read the description, the last shots were on the return journey. They turned the engine and I think the carriage immediately behind the engine goes with it as 'crew coach'. The rest of the train just goes 'backwards'.

@@cr10001 - Guess I missed that - thanks! 😉

@@gilbertfranklin1537 That's OK, quite observant to notice the change. I didn't believe you at first :) but you're right, they did change. It was easy enough to jot down the carriages as they went slowly past - red, red, Pullman, etc... and compare with the last clip. What almost foxed me was the front red carriage which (I think) stayed with the engine both ways. And it's surprisingly easy to lose count, even with just 9 coaches.

Close, down to a few mph at best.

Didn't press record lol

@@MarshSteamVideosTM Ahhhhhh! It has happened to all of us, Geraint

Good point.Why no diesel on the back ?,would have been a great help...

I think that was me putting weight on my camera as I prepared to zoom back !

1003 Paddington - Penzance which passed Totnes five minutes before seems most likely. Probably hadn't quite cleared the section

There was service train which was just ahead, about 4/5 minutes and there are long signal blocks, so the control halted the train at the bottom just after Totnes, which meant a restart on the 1/66 gradient.

@@MarshSteamVideosTM And I bet the service train was virtually empty!

Modern SIgnal guy unaware of Steam unflexibilty/modern traction

(Nigel Duckworth) That someone is me, a 78-yr-old steam nutter who knows absolutely everything (well, quite a lot, anyway). The limit for Castles from Newton Abbot to Plymouth was 9 , Halls, Granges and Stars 8, Kings 11. It is known that a Castle managed to get 13 up Rattery and a King 14 but these were exceptional cases due to some sort of pilot mismanagement. All these limits are pretty close to the maximum pull of the loco with boiler pressure well up. It is therefore rather surprising that Bahamas was allowed 9 on this route because the tractive effort of this class is less than that of a Hall, let alone a Castle, unless Bahamas has had its boiler pressure uprated to 250 psi instead of the usual 225. Some of the class had this modification but I don't think Bahamas has it. The good boiler and double chimney ensured that the pressure was up to the mark but even so on Hemerdon there must have been literally nothing to spare, i.e. full regulator and full gear and hope for the best. Excellently produced video - thanks.

@@Rosie6857 Many thanks for this interesting information. Being originally from manchester where I spent my trainspotting days, I hardly ever came across the Great Western and knew very little about it, So these facts are quite an eye opener. I used to see Bahamas all the time in those days. The Jubilees had a bit more TE than the Black 5s but without reference to my combined volumes, which I can't find at the moment, I thought they were bordering near to 29,000 lbs, or at least some were, hence the 6P/5F power classification. Whatever the TE was, it acquitted itself rather well outside its usual hunting grounds.

@@nigelduckworth406 Yes, the "Jubes" had a bit more tractive effort than a Black 5, 26610 lb vs 25455. According to my Combined Volume (a 70th birthday present from my younger brother) a couple of Jubilees were fitted with Royal Scot type boilers with 250 psi pressure but I am certain Bahamas is not one of them. Their tractive effort was 29570 lb, same as a rebuilt Patriot but still less than a Castle at 31625 lb and it's tractive effort that counts on banks like Hemerdon provided the pressure is kept up. So, well done that Jubilee. As I said earlier I'm surprised it was allowed 9. I wonder how it coped with Dainton West which is even steeper (1 in 38) but much shorter and can be rushed.

Because they decided not to have one to give Bahamas a challenge.

@@jordangriswold1234 this is not the way to treat 'heritage' locos, they have worked very hard during their working lives and in my opinion deserve better treatment than what we see here

What do you expect them to do when they’re taking a loco up a 1 in 42 gradient with a heavy load on? Have the regulator at half way so it wouldn’t have enough power so it would come to a stand still? Sometimes a loco needs to be worked hard because it was what they were designed to do! If BLS didn’t trust Bahamas to climb Hemerdon Bank then they wouldn’t have let her on this tour. This is about recreating experiences from the past for people to enjoy today that they may have never seen or have been lucky enough to see in the steam days and I’ll have you know that Bahamas is very well looked after and is one of the best kept locos in preservation. Having a diesel shoving Bahamas on the rear would’ve completely ripped the soul out of this tour. The crew did a fabulous job on getting her up Hemerdon and they deserve a lot of credit.

@@jordangriswold1234 to recreate this journey like back in the days of BR I am sure a 'banker' would have been provided, enough said

@@wam2610 No need for one, if they didn’t believe Bahamas could do it then they would’ve had a diesel banking it no doubt. Hemerdon and other gradients in Devon didn’t really see much banking on passenger services in steam days so this is more authentic to recreate the experience having no banker.

Nah, a lot better without one. Let the steam loco do all the work as it should be!

@@jordangriswold1234 An 0-6-0 from the SDR on hand can be useful for a bit of a push.

@@highpath4776 How when non of their locos are mainline registered? 🤦‍♂️ There’s no need for any banker when they have trust in Bahamas to do the job and she did it absolutely fine on her own.

No it would,nt would have been a non event with a diesel in the consist .

Or a helper cut in behind for the serious grades. I can't see how subjecting a beautiful but aging loco to those kinds of stress is in anyone's interest. Had that loco failed, it could put future endeavours in jeopardy.

You realise those are some of the worst main-line grades in the country and on most main lines it would have no trouble at all with 9 on?

Total tosh you talk . You know nothing on the subect Best say nothing .