Let's Play Xenogears (Part 54) [4-8Live]

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24 күн бұрын

After the finale of Final Fantathon, I knew the next game we needed to Let's Play was Xenogears, the game that could have been the next Final Fantasy or Chrono Trigger, but turned into it's own legendary experience that would eventually lead to the Xenosaga series.
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@adamorth5335
@adamorth5335 22 күн бұрын
42:17 it’s called Aizuchi and it’s basically a very polite way of showing that you’re listening and comprehending what others are saying by mirroring it back to them
@russelraglandlerma9104
@russelraglandlerma9104 20 күн бұрын
Maybe because I grew up in a different time and a Mexican culture it never stood out to me. I was taught a similar and different style of politeness. Plus Fei is like 3 years old consciously and clarifies a lot out of being polite. It’s hard for him to comprehend so much in such a short time and clarifying is him and interpreting cautiously
@debelmeis2311
@debelmeis2311 22 күн бұрын
Those cubes are suspiciously triangular lol
@MrRave7777
@MrRave7777 22 күн бұрын
I was looking forward to that part, laughed so hard during stream because of Feis godly dialogue :D
@jonathanabgrall6075
@jonathanabgrall6075 21 күн бұрын
For the scene with Elly's family, to me it reminds me a lot of Rinoa's relationship with her dad in FF8. An army-general is going to be high on his principles and kind of a "stick in the you know what".
@BinaryDood
@BinaryDood 21 күн бұрын
"Treasure which cannot be stolen" my fav ost
@theFado96
@theFado96 22 күн бұрын
There have been stories of people living in japan for a while for study puposes and then when they come back to thier home country, they started doing Aizuchis (repeating sentences) in their own language. And they were doing it so frequently and out of habit, people wondered if they had problems paying attention; while the idea of the Aizuchi is the exact opposite: you repeat what the other person says to show you're interested in the conversation and paying attention. There also have been stories of businessmen talking to thier japanese counterparts, hearing them repeating what they say or just saying "Hai hai hai" (Hai = yes), and thinking they are agreeing with them; while instead they are just showing their into the conversation. Like I said in another video, more then half of Fei's Aizuchis should really be read as internal monologue (we would put them between parentesis nowadays). People who have played the game in japanese can confirm it sounds a lot less weird.
@debelmeis2311
@debelmeis2311 22 күн бұрын
Elly's mom is so pedestrian lol
@adamorth5335
@adamorth5335 22 күн бұрын
30:19 it’s not that she doesn’t know, but it would hurt to hear her daughter acknowledge it like that
@debelmeis2311
@debelmeis2311 22 күн бұрын
fei is an observer in his own life lol
@therealseanw.stewart2071
@therealseanw.stewart2071 22 күн бұрын
It's probably just asking for trouble having a Smart House. Although I can't say I was opposed to the idea of having Katey Sagal as my robot mom. "Smart" technology taking over all your appliances was never a good idea, lest some kind of machine uprising happens and everything attacks you. What if your house becomes *too* smart?
@debelmeis2311
@debelmeis2311 22 күн бұрын
No shot at all lol
@debelmeis2311
@debelmeis2311 22 күн бұрын
Mother wasn't wrong lol
@debelmeis2311
@debelmeis2311 22 күн бұрын
Fei screws up anything subtle lol
@Classic_DionysuS
@Classic_DionysuS 22 күн бұрын
Absolutely love the Elly at home section. Pretty sure this is also first video game I've played with nudity. Ellys naked and Fei goes... Yoooo ur mom's hot. Classic Fei
@pincircle7566
@pincircle7566 22 күн бұрын
Soylent system. That's all I'm saying.
@grimtides
@grimtides 20 күн бұрын
elly is her mother's child, her appearance is due to something else... can't say anymore without revealing something
@mareoso37
@mareoso37 20 күн бұрын
death, I really think sometimes you would benefit from doing your commentary after the cutscenes, just like you do with voice-acted games. It's no secret that Xenogears is not my cup of tea. The game was full of ups and downs when I played it, grasping and then loosing my interest in it multiple times. But if I was ever invested in the game, it was during this section, and your reaction throughout the entire scene with Elly's dad kind of soured my enjoyment on it. You often advocate for understanding character behaviour, and being interested in their development/relationships, but it felt to me that you failed to put yourself in Erich shoes back there. I'm not sure where the "it's been years since he saw his daughter" is coming from (maybe I missed when they mentioned it), but Elly's dad works in the palace, and he has access to restrictive information (which is the whole point of being in that room to begin with). Even if it had been years since I last saw my daughter, if I heard she had come home, on the day when the lamb dwellers who are infiltrating my country were captured, I'd be suspicious. And not only that, but my wife told me that she's home with somebody who looked like a land dweller, and then find them fiddling with my computer. I wouldn't care less how long it's been. It's not too far-fetched to think that Erich is aware of Elly being a traitor, so that's why he's acting the way he does. I would be enranged, and probably think the land dwellers had tricked/coerced my daughter into doing that, so I would've also take it out on Fei. And if I saw that as an opportunity to exonerate her, then I would take it. Erich even mentions that Elly knows what happens to traitors. But after seeing that Fei is a decent fellow (because of his reaction to the family feud), he lets him go without a fight. And about that, I understand people thinking Fei is stupid, but, as others have commented already, repeating what the other person said is a way to be polite in Japan. Whether he's really stupid or not, is up to debate. But in here, he finally put two and two together, and realized why Elly did not join his group from the beginning. Fei doesn't have a family, but she does. A family who cares for her, and being a traitor means she's an enemy to her own parents. Thus, he tells her to stay with them, so they don't keep fighting. Could all of this have been explained better? Absolutely. However, I don't think this was a translation or the game being rushed problem (this specific part). There are other points in the game when you, as a player, have no clue what's going on. I feel like that's an inherent issue of Xenogears, because it keeps throwing concepts and plot points at you, but that's just my opinion. Anyway, I apologize for the long wall of text, and hope it didn't come out as rude.
@4-8Productions
@4-8Productions 20 күн бұрын
I think we just disagree as to what happened in the cutscene, which is perfectly fine, that doesn't mean I or you need to do anything different. Also, I've heard nothing but "this game was rushed in the second half" since the playthrough started so obviously that is going to be one avenue I explore when trying to break apart a cutscene. But don't take my thinking out loud as the end all be all final synopsis of a cutscene, its just what I'm thinking at that moment.
@mareoso37
@mareoso37 20 күн бұрын
@@4-8Productions I understand. You being a streamer means you need to speak about what's on your mind at that moment. Now I wonder if you would've reached the same conclusion had you not known about the second disc, but I guess containing the hype for such a game was a lost cause. To me it felt like your commentary snowballed into chat's replies and vice versa, turning the scene into some sort of funny joke (although you later said that you liked it). I suppose that rubbed me the wrong way, since I believe the seriousness of the scene was conveyed pretty decently given this game's standards. But as you said, agree to disagree.
@StrawhatJeff
@StrawhatJeff 17 күн бұрын
fully expecting blowback from your fans, but the scene between Erich and Fei is a completely normal man-to-man interaction (obviously not the slap to Elly). Erich had to decide between his daughte's life and his duty because to get to Fei he had to go through her. By stepping out from behind her back Fei literally saved Elly's life by taking away the decision. By doing that he also showed his spine and won some respect. That in combination with the fact that Erich obviously loves his daughter and knows Fei is important to her - he now can simply allow Fei to escape by "failing" to capture him. Maybe give the game a chance of being right first if you feel overwhelmed for whatever reason. Setting and subtlety is vbery important to Xenogears' experience especially because it was rushed.
@debelmeis2311
@debelmeis2311 22 күн бұрын
He can't understand them
@debelmeis2311
@debelmeis2311 22 күн бұрын
fei needs a gym membership now
@debelmeis2311
@debelmeis2311 22 күн бұрын
The last half of this game was all rushed
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