4WD Vehicle Rated Recovery Points - 2 Important Considerations TOW POINTS vs. RATED RECOVERY POINTS!

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In the market for some aftermarket recovery points for your 4x4 off-road vehicle? Does your vehicle come equipped with factory 'recovery', 'tow' or 'tie-down' points? Are they suitable for recovery situations?
There are two very important considerations when it comes to purchasing and installing off-road (4x4) vehicle recovery points. Not all 'recovery' points are the same, not all are equal...
In this video, we will cover these two important factors when it comes to recovery points:
1. The recovery point itself and
2. The vehicle's chassis
Some recovery situations can generate forces up to 2 to 3 times the vehicle's Gross Vehicle Mass (GVM). These forces are transmitted through the recovery gear (eg. bow shackles, snatch straps etc.) to the vehicle's recovery point(s) and then through to the vehicle's chassis. Whilst rated recovery gear is essential, what is the vehicle's chassis rated to? A properly engineered, tested and approved recovery point will allow the safe transmission of forces generated from the recovery through to the recovery point and ultimately the chassis. Therefore, a properly engineered recovery point considers not only the recovery point but also how it attaches to the chassis and ensures it won't damage the chassis at the full load rating of the recovery point.
Remember, a strong recovery point is only as weak as the chassis it is attached to...

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@r0b0saurusrex80 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you from the USA... you Ozzies know your offroading... and get the best Toyotas. This helps out alot

@carterthiessen2664 3 жыл бұрын

Living in Canada, and having ice fishing as a hobby, pulling someone out of a deep snow drift is a very common occurrence. Generally speaking it will be 4 wheel drive pickup trucks. they often have recovery points from the factory in the front, and a trailer hitch in the rear. I prefer pulling from the rear if possible, using a hitch receiver with no ball in it, instead a bow shackle through the hole with a recovery strap looped through the shackle as well. The factory recovery hooks on trucks are generally much stronger than the factory points you show on these smaller suvs. Mine are 3/4 inch thick steel loops bolted directly to the frame with 3 grade 8 bolts. They are quite safe to pull with, provided you use a proper recovery strap or rope. Too often I see people use tow straps with hooks on the ends, or worse, chains. Jerking with those is asking for an accident.

@MM-rm5nv 3 жыл бұрын

Very informative tube. I always wanted to ask someone the difference between tie down points and recovery points. Thanks mate

@antoniogreciajnr 4 жыл бұрын

very informative video. thanks

@andrewlonguet 2 жыл бұрын

There was no mention of bolt strength. A metallurgist said to me that the steel can be as thick as you like but bolts can shear quickly if not correctly rated also.

@NJSInstructional 2 жыл бұрын

Great point! From memory, the Bolts that came with the ARB Recovery Point were either Class 8.8 or 10.9 and the Bolts that came with the Roadside Tow Points were Class 10.9.

@oggyoggy1299 9 ай бұрын

Virtually every recovery point comes with appropriately rated bolts. You don’t just use any old bolt.

@racer0316 3 жыл бұрын

No question the aftermarket brackets are more heavy duty and they are called rated points by the manufacturer. But if something goes wrong and one breaks or bends something on the truck frame they will simply say you must have exceeded the rated load or used them improperly to do the recovery and you have no way to prove then wrong. Rated is just a word, they are heavy duty but not bulletproof and no implied guarantee of anything. Just something to consider

@TheSquad1112 3 жыл бұрын

Wow great video

@NJSInstructional 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@albotron571 2 жыл бұрын

This topic is not quite so black and white. It depends on the vehicle in question. Some cars may have flimsy points for sure. The tow points on the 2019 Hilux you showed however are 16mm steel loops. Both legs double penetrate the front chassis rail and the are quadruple welded (both loop legs solidly welded front and back sides of the chassis rail). I don't care what anybody says, you will bend or rip the chassis rail off before these babies come out, and if you do, you're snatching way too hard anyway. You need to have some understanding of material strengths and make an individual assessment for a given vehicle.

@mcankaka Жыл бұрын

I was here for is it enought to pull my Hilux 2022 recovery points until see this video in first minute.. Then write your comment, now i think it will be ok... maybe then i will change my mind again :D oh man it's so complicated

@CarbonEternity Жыл бұрын

This is true, solid steel rod bent and welded multiple times will be far stronger than a handful of bolts - as that's what we are looking at here, a chunk of steel bolted to the chasis.

@liang2512 6 ай бұрын

Some factory tow points on some cars like the Landcruiser Prado and Isuzu Mux are 4 point welded onto the 1st cross memeber of the chassis. They are as strong if not stronger than rated recovery points that are bolted to the same cross member. But I do agree, the example factory points on the vehicles you used in this video are indeed rubbish.

@NJSInstructional 6 ай бұрын

Not quite and this is the misconception. Refer back to the start of the video. I have seen photos of factory tow points (typically welded to a subframe not the main ladder chassis rails) torn off (e.g. current model Toyota Hilux / Fortuner). Just because they are welded it doesn't mean they can be used for recovery. A good quality engineered recovery point (or tow point) will always secure / fasten / brace back to the main ladder chassis rails.

@liang2512 6 ай бұрын

@@NJSInstructional You must referring to the tether welding where a half loop gets touch welded to the surface of cross member. The one I was referring to is like a bolt going through from one side to another. Then it is welded on the front and back total 4 welding point per side. It will transfer the entire load onto the cross member.

@deathbycolor 3 жыл бұрын

Quality content!

@NJSInstructional 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

@w_dub_wilberforcejr Жыл бұрын

great stuff bro!! what would u recommend for a 2003 Lexus GX470?

@richardbertram8595 4 жыл бұрын

Quick question fitting the arb recovery points to the Isuzu was it easy and did you have to take to bullbar off to do it? I have a dmax 2019 with arb summit bar and have ordered the recovery points, just not sure if I should get arb to install?

@strelokblackburn4651 2 жыл бұрын

With all the accessories for the 2nd gen tacoma. In the US, I can't find a video of how the arb recovery. Point is installed

@johnviera3884 2 жыл бұрын

I have a stuck Volvo sedan. Have to yank it out from the rear. No recovery points. What can I attach to? Only point I see is an A Arm inside the rear wheels

@macabhaird8789 3 жыл бұрын

Any fitting MB Sprinter?

@mcankaka Жыл бұрын

i have Hilux 2022 and i was thinking "why the hell people use these recoveries. There is one also in chassis" then 6 min after your video, now i'm thinking i was so rookie :)

@outlawedmedia4336 Жыл бұрын

Matt's Offroad channel has shown many Tacomas being yanked out using only the factory tow point. So while overkill is good, is it still overkill?

@jvalentine8376 3 жыл бұрын

You forgot one very import aspect , " High Tensile bolts grade 8.8 or 10 " should be used to bolt it all up .

@NJSInstructional 3 жыл бұрын

Correct, they come supplied with the Recovery Point.

@jvalentine8376 3 жыл бұрын

@@NJSInstructional Now if ARB actually had a list of the vehicles that they make recovery points for it would be very helpful .

@AveraNuvolao 2 жыл бұрын

its possible on Jimny JB74 2018?

@SarasotaTim 2 жыл бұрын

My bad ass 4Runner has recovery points from the factory. What you show there is some skinny little tie down point. If you look at a 4x4 Toyota they build it at the factory because it a 4X4! Take a look at those things they are super thick and welded front and back to the chassis.

@27AriO 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting, my '08 4runner 4x4 does not have rated recovery points from the factory. It has the tie down/tow points almost identical to the ones shown in this video. Perhaps this is a feature for a certain trim level and or generation. Now my '95 4runner had recovery points front and rear when I bought it. Not being the original owner I can't say if these are from the factory or not.

@SarasotaTim 2 жыл бұрын

@@27AriO yeah not sure about that but you’ll know if you do by the look of them. 😎

@27AriO 2 жыл бұрын

@@SarasotaTim yup there is no mistaking a beefy, solid recovery point

@oggyoggy1299 9 ай бұрын

Yeah, they’re not recovery points.

@dpd6401 2 жыл бұрын

Show us a video of the factory recovery / tie down points failing. The ARB recovery points are only relying upon bolts into the same chassis. You specify all the loads that these after market recovery points can take, but what about the vehicles chassis’? I’ve had a bullbar fitted with rated recovery points on my 76 series. On looking at the factory tie down points, I’d have to say they look very robust. I think we’ve all been deceived by marketing.

@NJSInstructional 2 жыл бұрын

Your point on the chassis is valid. How much load can the chassis take regardless of the recovery point? Will the vehicle's chassis elongate and yield? It is not certain and some vehicles chassis are stronger than other makes... However, something to consider is the factory tie down points are typically welded on to what appears like the chassis but there is no cross bracing behind it. A good example is the current model Hilux / Fortuner. People see a welded tow point and think they are super strong, but in reality they are welded on to small cantilevered steel section (referred to as the tow point sub-frame in the video) coming off at 90 degrees from the main chassis (refer to the 0:23 mark on the video). During a recovery, the bending moment exerted can literally tear the steel section off (there are examples of this happening on KZfaq). A good factory / aftermarket tow point will transfer the recovery loads from the recovery point to the main chassis safely. A poorly designed recovery point won't... In the vehicle in this video, the factory tow point is also a bolted connection (refer to the 1:22 mark). Comparing the factory tow point and the ARB recovery point, my preference is the latter... Hope this clarifies.

@yungboxer8360 2 жыл бұрын

@@NJSInstructional Well said, I was almost deceived into believing that my tow points were strong just because they had 4 inches of wielding around them. Not necessarily true, the wielding secured my tow points 100% to the piece of metal bolted to the chasis, however that piece of metal wont necessarily transfer the load as evenly as a rated recovery point would with multiple, high graded bolts on calculated points of the chasis. Bloody misinformation...

@NJSInstructional 2 жыл бұрын

@@yungboxer8360 Spot on! Unfortunately, too much misinformation readily available...

@lovelacetom007 3 жыл бұрын

if you look. there are many youtubers even use TOWING EYE to recovery..

@rossjohnson6509 3 жыл бұрын

Early in this video you show the shackle and recovery strap incorrectly, the recovery strap must always sit inside the bow not on the pin and the pin of the shackle must engage the recovery point, all the same principles used in rigging to lift loads.

@NJSInstructional 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Ross, thank you for your feedback. The Recovery Point is designed by ARB and in their recommended use guidelines, they demonstrate that the bow portion of the shackle should be within the recovery point and the strap connected to the pin. This allows the bow shackle to freely move within the recovery point, especially useful for angled recovery pulls. Cheers.

@racer0316 3 жыл бұрын

I agreed I've never seen a shackle used like that in rigging anything, ever, the shackle can pivot off the pin just as easy, I'm going to continue to use mine in the traditional way until someone can prove it incorrect

@TowieHD 3 жыл бұрын

In my view and based on what I just watched and done over the years I would agree with the Authors use of the shackle. The principles and equipment used for lifting loads and recovering loads are very different. Posted respectively

@suitinaute 3 жыл бұрын

Isn't it bad practice to side load a bow shackle? By putting the strap on the shackle pin the side loading is prevented (if used as described).

@rossjohnson6509 3 жыл бұрын

@@TowieHD I'll accept this as my world is lifting and not recovery, thanks.

@alany3194 3 жыл бұрын

User manuals would say, eg. My mr triton would have One tow point and one tie down point. Nothing wrong with recovery from the factory tow point. Same with a lot of utes and 4x4. Not sure about the sedans

@JasonR1998 2 жыл бұрын

You should never recover from a tow point. They are not designed for such intense stresses from recoveries.

@Enonymouse_ 2 жыл бұрын

With vehicles not even offering recovery points these days having options is key. Nissan is key among those not putting recovery points on their vehicles.

@jacobbenns6090 2 жыл бұрын

Most 2nd gen rams also don't come with factory tow points, had to weld up a set myself

@guerilla242 2 жыл бұрын

What is the brand of the yellow recovery points. Would like to use two for my Tacoma. They are labeled RPPATO4R-C17 in the video

@NJSInstructional 2 жыл бұрын

The brand is RoadSafe. They are specific to each vehicle, so the part no. may be different for the Tacoma.

@juansaldarriaga269 3 жыл бұрын

Good video 👍... just FYI the bow shackles should be placed with the pin through the recovery point, not the shackle it self..

@NJSInstructional 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Juan, I don't disagree, however in the ARB instruction card for use, this is how they recommend the Bow Shackle is used.

@JuskoLord247 11 ай бұрын

@@NJSInstructional thats a good way to tear the loop end of the snatch strap.

@Zack-smith 4 ай бұрын

I own a 98 dodge ram sport 1500 4x4 with no tow hooks on it been looking at ways to retrofit one of these on the front and some on the rear

@NJSInstructional 4 ай бұрын

They are vehicle specific. I would check available Recovery Points to suit your vehicle...

@v26224 8 ай бұрын

You will probably find the patrol recovery points are only rated for 5t as a pair.

@lancer1993 Жыл бұрын

I've not been able to find any for my 2013 NW Pajero, no one seems to make them for the 4th gen Pajero, why?

@NJSInstructional Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure, I know later model Pajero's moved to a monocoque structure as opposed to a traditional ladder frame chassis. It may be harder to incorporate recovery points on a monocoque structure...

@Cusk0 4 жыл бұрын

Those ARB recovery points cost more than a winch... so just buy a winch. :)

@prestondunn1991 3 жыл бұрын

I’d never solely rely on a winch. EVER

@Kewchu Жыл бұрын

Do you think i could install this on a 09 ford e350?

@NJSInstructional Жыл бұрын

These Recovery Points are vehicle specific. Best to check what is available for your particular vehicle.

@honoredsage4946 Жыл бұрын

Are these vehicle specific, can I put one on a hyundai Santa cruz?

@NJSInstructional Жыл бұрын

Yes, these are vehicle specific...

@esbr3794 Жыл бұрын

The problem is not that no one uses rated recovery points They are not made for the car in question...

@kanevivalakane3699 2 жыл бұрын

Can I use the recovery point with original bumper?

@NJSInstructional 2 жыл бұрын

Depends on the vehicle. With this particular vehicle, it requires some minor cutting of the plastic guard.

@kanevivalakane3699 2 жыл бұрын

@@NJSInstructional is factory fitted recovery points on Prado safe for off roading?

@aussieoffroader1974 4 жыл бұрын

Theres nothing wrong with those 5t recovery points..

@geoffgeoff143 9 ай бұрын

No one makes a point for a colarado with a dobinsons bull bar. Id love to find an answer.

@JuskoLord247 11 ай бұрын

Using those very thick recovery points is just overkill. You can't really break them but it can bend or tear down where its bolted in an extreme situation. Truck frames is not really that thick. I have never seen those tie down points fail in a recovery situation.

@easidaz 2 жыл бұрын

Been googling but I can not find the shassy

@bigglyguy8429 Жыл бұрын

chassis...

@easidaz Жыл бұрын

@@bigglyguy8429 ooooh riiight 😆

@stevesargent3183 3 жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rMiBp9GanNjUdX0.html anyone else spot a loose bolt?

@DANIEL-ls5ku Жыл бұрын

3:15 pronounced ISUZU, not EYESUZU thank you.

@davekitching327 2 жыл бұрын

Why waste your money when Toyota FJ already has good ones iv used mine hundreds of times don't waste your money

@subaruforester5062 5 ай бұрын

Wow selling arb much lol

@irfanspace 3 жыл бұрын

totally waste of money , when you hard stuck , use both factory recovery points , this is just marketing , no evidence found that factory points get damage .

@BillSaltbush 3 жыл бұрын

The internet has a large population of dunces . . . here's one right here.

@irfanspace 3 жыл бұрын

@@BillSaltbush absolutely right, just found ☝️