Wow!!! 👍👍

Yep not great. Saw that video a few times. The non chinsey grill is the one to have in the right green

Not true. 15 door openings could never flatten the battery

Why would any amount of door openings kill a battery any way?

@@jaime4022 you’ve got interior lights, headlights, taillights, and welcome lights that activate, cars with proximity keys may be unlocking and locking doors as you approach/leave, many cars activate the fuel pump when the door is unlocked to prime the engine to start, the gauge cluster and infotainment screens turns on in most cars when you open the door, etc.

As my friends keep reminding me, owning the landrover product WAS the adventure!

Mechanical adventures

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@@moab2312 and electronic

@@moab2312 With some electronic ones mixed in between and no way to tell the difference

Indeed, but not when it goes wrong all the time and at great expense.

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This defender is the perfect vehicle for your next overlanding adventure at the local mall parking lot

Sorry for your bad experience - but this happens for all car brands including Toyotas (read the Toyota stories in this thread). Maybe this “pretty girl” is not for you - but I would not leave her for something like this. It’s a brand new car under warranty.

@@scandinavia6271 Toyota v Landrover reliability, not even close !!!! I live in Outback Australia and no one drives Landrovers other than to soccer practice 🤣

@@1129DSJThe Old soccer mon / mall crawler story again… Please also share how you in AUS have a saying around “if you want to go in the outback bring a Land Rover - if you want to come back again bring a Toyota” - I am frankly tired of these hear say stories from people who never owned an LR. Fact of the matter is: (1) My 2016 RR is the most reliable vehicle I have ever owned (2) In my country LR offers 5 year / 150k km warranty (Toyota only 3 years/100k - their warranty suck big time!)

@@scandinavia6271 I’ve owned Range Rovers hence why i now own Toyota Landcruisers, you see i just like getting home i guess and also being able to find parts pretty much anywhere. Oh btw I’m an ex Aus Army operator who used many Landrovers all over this country, I’m tired of people who believe Landrovers are anything other than an overpriced Soccer Mom car, but if you’re brave enough to venture into the unknown in one Goodluck as you’re going to need it !!!!!!

@@scandinavia6271 In my country you have a lifetime warranty for your Toyota if you make the service inspecions by the book at a Toyota dealer...

A Range Rover is a Landrover.

I agree best all around daily I’ve ever had. I did put KO2’s on it to toughen up the look a bit.

That's not the sort of comment they want around here 🙂.

Sadly a 300 series is now plagued with bings,bongs, dings and dongs for a multitude of inexplicable reasons. I’d still feel comfortable in the outback with one but tech for the sake of tech is taking over😢.

@@bendgeddes The LC300 is still fairly new though right? It usually takes a few years to iron out issues.

Exactly. Just say no to land rover products. Made for posers. I trust nothing less than Lexus/Toyota on and off road.

100%. Sadly, the presenter is an anti-JLR conspiracy theorist. All his videos are like this. Logically, he would produce something more intelligent (like your post). He won't. Not sure why I still receive his content.

So you had to get rescued by a Jeep. Right on!

Hello. It's me. 'Conspiracy theory' can be applied to anything one would prefer not to believe. In that world evidence is no longer valid. "All his videos are like this". So my successfully taking a 47 year old Range Rover across the Canning Stock Route was also a conspiracy theory? Okay. Good luck, fella.

Well said. Simply referring to every issue and not mentioning every success shows that this is written by someone who has an agenda. There is no balanced reporting here. All click bate ....

Human beings will go to great lengths to justify their purchase decisions.

I love the ending. Been looking for a comprehensive explanation on the performance of the 'New Defender ' and its capability off road and it goes without saying I will stick to my 300tdi

Hear hear!

Have you actually driven the new Defender?

@@oldcargeezer What relevance is that? I could list many, many cars/vehicles that are head and shoulders above the new Defender. It's not all about how it drives. Why are we only allowed to dislike cars we have driven? I've never driven a Porsche. I don't want to. I don't like them. I don't like the style or the image. Ditto the new Defender and in all honesty, everything else LR currently produces.

@@onetonlandrover You can't make an informed judgement on a vehicle you've not even driven. l've done around 150,000 miles in the old Defenders, and around 70,000 miles in new Defender How do you know a vehicle is better than the Defender when you've never driven one. Unless you mean you prefer the looks (l don't like Porsches although l've owned one) l prefer Ferrari, probably because l like the looks more. (l've also owned one of those) But of course if you've got a thing against Land Rover you will be biased against anything they produce. What do you think of the lneos Grenadier? l've driven one and love it. lf it wasn't so expensive l would swap my Defender for one. ls it better than the Defender? lt depends on what you plan to do with it. As a Mall Cruiser, no. As an Overlander, l would say definitely.

Well, LR is right. Modern vehicles are packed with electronics and need to be driven. By modifying the vehicle he technically did void his warranty. This happens to other brands as well.

​@@stop_lying_bro i left a lexus lx570 parked in the garage for 2 months. It started right up. It is also a modern luxury SUV

​@@Arda86caBut it's made by a proper car company. It's not a Land Rover or BMW piece of shit😅😁👍🏻

@@Arda86ca That Lexus doesn't have near as many modules running it as a new Defender or even Range Rover. There are Tons! Thus why Toyota can get away with reliability. They use super old drivetrains and okay electronics that aren't complex. They aren't even in the same class of vehicles though even though they are commonly cross shopped.

No Lexus is engineered by the best of the best of University graduates. Toyota has proper quality controls in place. Jaguar Land Rover are just scammers who sell overprice cars, not properly designed or tested, but full with electronic gizmos, leather, lush paint to make them appear luxurious. In other words Jaguar Land Rover will concentrate mostly on the outside, and the cabin, the engineering is an afterthought. Lexus will concentrate on the whole car with emphasis on reliability. In other words to put it simply. The Lexus engine and drive-train is will outlast many Land-rover engines and gearboxes. Vote with your wallet. @@stop_lying_bro

Mine doesn't The battery is 100Ah so to cause a battery depletion in one hour the vehicle would have to draw over 50A assuming the battery isn't fully charged. lf it was fully charged you'd have to draw over 90A to run it down in an hour.

As an owner of a 2023 Defender I can confirm that my vehicle does not go flat in one hour with doors open

lmao i hand detail my '23 90 V8 and leave the doors open for 2-3 hours at a time and can confirm this does NOT happen

Imagine making something up lmao.

You can turn the lights off by pressing the interior Lighs for 10 sec, the interior light will not come on again until you press it again.

What a stupid comment....! I've had mine in the outback, 2 years, 57000klms absolutely no issues and I have towed a caravan for most of this 57000klms

​@@labourlawact7826there are several KZfaq channels of people taking their Defenders in the back country.

@paulcallaghan4287 this whole video is an invitation to make stupid comments.

@@sbGOM Oh, well that's true... Video by someone who has never owed one. Almost like he has a problem rather than reporting on a genuine issue

I take my Discovery Sport (Petrol) into the Outback. 202,000km on it.

Yes, everyone’s dad said that. I know because the same story comes up every time Rover reliability is discussed.

@@nunyabidness3075 😂

Hahaha......I like the comment

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Luckily the World moved on since your dad - so did LR. In my experience they are indeed reliable.

"What are you supposed to do when your car is dead?" "Buy another one." - Land Rover, probably.

In theory, if it's completely dead (or you disconnected the battery) the handbrake can't activate, since there's no power going to it. This does raise the issue of if you do want the parking brake on while there's no power, but...

That second part in your edit is the instructions for the electronic parking brake. Not the transmission release mechanism. I think you would only need to do that if you had activated it already and needed to deactivate.

Good grief; by the time you'd worked all that out, you'd've used up all your food and water!

Quite frankly, these tales mean the new defender is not only not suitable for the CSR, it could be considered dangerous. Not a place to be stranded. I am a Landy man and have been for 40 years, currently have a D2 Td5, there is always something to fix but it's awesome and while it is a complicated beast, little bit computerised, it is largely mechanical and can be fixed. Not the new defender. The blokes at the top of JLR are Muppets and have blown the opportunity to reinvent the defender in a way that may never happen again. It is so disappointing and a kick in the guts for old faithfuls.

Yawn

I should have read your comment before my trip to Acadia NP last month, 😂

Exactly! They could have made something that us classic defender enthusiasts would have been scrambling to buy, but it wouldn't have made economic sense. As much as I love slinging dung on the pretender, I have to admit that it's been a massive success in that it's appealing to a much larger demographic than the real defender did.

It's only a success in the 'poaching sense'. If you strip out sales in the 'all new' American market (which they would have got with any all-new vehicle anyway) then Defender sales figures are commensurate with drops in sales for the Disco and the RRS. Same customer base, (drug dealer, footballer or wide-boy Instagram influencer and some families), but almost no new customers from those outside the Green Oval stable. You'll get some of the said 'drug dealers, footballers or wide-boy Instagram influencers' who might have driven G-wagens or SQ7s cross-decking (if they're really stupid and have no understanding of LR reliability issues), but most sales are Defender poaching from other model lines. Indeed, look at sales of the Disco 5 and they're almost non-existent because the Defender, which is in effect a Disco 6, has taken them all. And if they ever did a survey of previous classic Defender owners, whether commercial, fleet, military or indeed private, and see how many of them are buying the ND, and I am sure the figures would be minuscule, how can that be a success? Imagine what business a properly utilitarian Defender could have given them. Instead of having a client buying one car to park outside the house in the heart of the jungle, Epping, they could have had clients asking for hundreds. But Land Rover would never have the balls to do that survey. And as I write all this, the car that the new Defender should have been (looks, ability, simplicity, price point etc), has just come to market thanks to Toyota. The new Land Cruiser has made the ND look and be dated in just 4 years. And with the successes of other recent launches, such as the Bronco and new G-Wagen, (where a vehicle can still have off-road purpose, still look retro, still be simple, still be utilitarian, still be modifiable, and all whilst not costing too much), it begs the question why they did it. They could have swept away all comers if they'd launched the ND as the Disco 6 AND launched a proper Defender replacement as Toyota just have with the LC. LR must secretly be kicking themselves or Gerry.....

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It is common in my experience of owning late model land rovers that it makes cranky old men even crankier.

Exactly.

Bingo 🎯

True

Exactly. My Discovery 3 used to give me all sorts of phantom electronic gremlins. (nothing the GAP tool couldn't deal with easily) Once I added a second battery and solar, they all went away. I only added the second battery and the solar panel to run my fridge but both batteries are kept in a voltage range that the CPU's like, and I haven't had any issues for 2ish years.

Exactly !!!@@FH-km5pe

great channel too!

The Truth will hurt many but honesty is the best policy. Andrew always slices it will-even though he said the Prado is Ugly and yet drives a troop carrier which is uglier.But he has so valid points about the defender even thought the new one was made for soccer mums and the flashy hollywood types who just like the car for prestige and as a show off device

same here haha

When I had mine wrapped in thick self healing film as I do use my D4 off road... the wrappers nearly killed my battery by opening and closing doors constantly. Took a very long drive and a solar charger to sort it out.

You can disable the cabin lights by holding in the switch on the front top light panel ... it'll eventually flash a number of times to indicate it's off. This will help battery issues when camping for extended periods and not running the vehicle.

@@AidanRIR It's not the lights. When you open the door, it wakes up all the electronics ready for you to drive off, and they can take between minutes and hours to go back to sleep. I think someone else mentioned a 'camping mode', which would mean you could tell it not to wake up when opening doors. Don't know if that's a wish or whether it exists

Good trick Edmond. And yes "Camp Mode" from LR or from GAP IID would be nice. Or else I'm sure there is a fuse to pull or a wire to add a switch on somewhere. I'm able to delete the infotainment system using the IID tool but I don't want to flash my ECU every week-end. There has to be another way. All in all, LR trucks like any other vehicle needs proper prep before going on an adventure. Andrew spends months modifying a Toyota and then compares it to a stock LR. Can't wait to see the follow-up video he said he'd post after this. I just hope it will make more sense then this "I know 1 guy..." video.

​@@AidanRIRBut why all the BS issues that we never had with older vehicles? What is it all in the name of? Climate change or some such?

I heard a rumour that maintaining the normal suspension position while parked for a long period can drain the battery. This is due to the car correcting it's position. Apparently this can be avoided by leaving the suspension in the low/access position. Good luck.

I have no personal experience whether the defender is particularly good or bad, but unfortunately this video is based on such factually incorrect misunderstandings that I am still none the wiser from watching it.

What did you replace it with? Something with solid axles, it sounds like?

@@MrXerxes Actually I had already owned a modified 4Runner TRD Off Road, so kept on using that for my offroad adventures

@@lunamaria1048 Those are excellent. I have owned the cousin vehicles ... Tacoma and Land Cruiser. All very capable.

Great until you need ground clearance under your differential, then you're better off with independent suspension and even more so with air suspension. The differential on a solid axle is always in the same place with respect to the contact point of its two tyres. On an independent setup, it can vary enormously. Another thing, whilst you might see the independently suspended vehicle lift a wheel in articulation, even a solid axle with the same wheel in contact with the ground will no doubt be completely unloaded and so will not be able to transfer much, if any, traction to the ground. Land Rovers have one of the best traction control systems around, so it doesn't 't really matter if it lifts a wheel in an axle articulation scenario.

@@simonuden8450 Something like the Land Cruiser 200,and more so the 300 has more wheel travel and a traction control system as good as any LR.Have a look at some of the off road tests comparing the two.The Defender does have no low diff pumpkins,so has more clearence.But more complications,means more problems and worse reliability.And more expensive maintenance costs,particularly with the suspension.

Hm currently owning a 2017 JLR Disco Sport and the Grenadier will be there very soon. To the honour of the Disco, except of a Front Radar in the very 1st week and a new drive chain at 101t mls about 160 TKM I had no issues beyond brake pads, disks and normal wear despite using it off - the road but not hefty. (rather grass / mud) Its better than any other SUV, but no stand to a real offroader. JLR and other automotive industry seem to have abandoned real capable vehicles. JLR abandoned its heritage. Sir Jim of Ineos reinvented it, and then there is a bit of new Toyota and a bit of Jeep, Jeep ist a rock cat and designed for use on Trail (Sporty) not overlanding and serious purpose, - JLR Defender became a Chelsea tractor, a Range Rover in a different coat. Looking in the future - the market for serious off roader and utility will now be shared between Ineos and Toyota. The G Wagon - is so much luxury now -.. and beyond any affordability for real users. And there are a still some who need these vehicles and not just overlanding adventure. (In my case despite the fact I am in IT business, - my 2nd life is hunting, forest work, habitat management etc. ) I need one car that is a versatile and General Purpose utility with some comfort, does proper off roading and daily ride - that will be an Ineos Grenadier Fieldmaster. JLR has given up the hard way.

Personally, I still feel the electronics of the Grenadier are going to be an Achilles heal too. It’s 90% ideal and 10% high risk. 😬

@@bendgeddes That will be the problem of any vehicle that is approved roadworthy and must meed regulatory requirements. To have a vehicle that uses magnetos, can be started with a hand crank - that time is over. Grenadier comes in its entry version with as minimum electronics as possible.

Hard to imagine the flat battery issue. My old 2008 MDX shuts itself off if I leave the doors open…even if I leave the hatch open all night. I have. Only hang up was the Bluetooth. The board would run down the car bat. If I didn’t drive it for several days. Yanked out the board and found the problem was due to a cold solder. The board heated and cooled too much and the solder cracked. Popped the board into the oven at a certain temp for a certain time and presto the board worked…for a month or so. The solder was bad because the stupid EPA took the lead out! Antimony is not as good. It forms whiskers here and there. So it is with many components that heat and vibrate a lot. Quick answer…I guess avoid buying anything with antimony solder.

@@klarie6805 the Grenadier probably won't get a very good result in a crash test. The Land Rovers are some of the safest cars on the market. Good luck

It was and is good. 363k on mine and still going strong.

And that’s not easy.

Both are more interesting than a beige Toyota

@@marka6591 Yes, reliability is so tedious🥱

Have you driven both new and old Defender before making this comment?

No

You can keep all the new ones

From the LC300 manual. If a tow truck is not available in an emergency, your vehicle may be temporarily towed using cables or chains secured to the emergency towing hooks. This should only be attempted on hard surfaced roads for at most 80 km (50 miles) at under 30 km/h (18 mph).

No surprise Jeep came up with a feature like that. I love LR but these days Jeep and Ford are far more in tune with the needs of off roaders etc.

How about this? Do nothing until you hit the key... Just like everything else on the market. This isn't Bosch being dicks - this is landrover firing up everything on the off-chance. LR set the configuration options. Dumb.... 20 minutes with an unlocked computer and all this crap could be reconfigured to start on button-push.

How did you make such things? We did not with 6 cars in Botswana.

Oh. That's right. Defenders are the only modern 4wds you can get stranded in when the battery goes flat!

@@sbGOMDifference being it may not be easily fixed with just a booster or jump.

@jimyeats Simon whathisname started a flat battery Defender with a power pack.

I'm sticking with my 100 series LC for the moment. Love it!

​@@davidburchill9333I think this was the pinnacle of land cruisers

@@davidburchill9333 Such a great vehicle.

LC100 here.... OME for all parts at 144K the 2uzfe engine is an extreme reliable engine.

@@BugsTours I know the petrol engine is reliable and easy to maintain but gaddamn the fuel consumption is horrible 😭😂😂

Actually that's not really true. Bad software typically gets abandoned, turns to obsolescence, fails to function with new updates, and continues to just get worse overtime.

All hardware does eventually fail, the difference being, some fail in 6 months and some wait 20 years. Electrics on a British cars have always been crap, and the mechanicals are always dodgey, at best. I'll take a 10 year old Toyota over a 2 year old Landrover every day of the week. Have fun driving your Indian car.

You are correct and Simon PowerfullUK has just released a video on how to release the park & handbrake mode on the new Defender. I’m on my second new Defender and not had any problems. I bet he doesn’t have a new Defender

You could also get a Toyota and avoid all of this.

Is it possible to flat tow a Land Cruiser 300 or the 2024 Prado?

Yeah I have one and it’s good but I have to totally not have the interior lights off permanently as it increases this notification! Bollocks really! Love my Defender 110 Td5 Oh and my Series 3 which has a starting crank handle! Love my LandRover!

With the Disco 4 we left one door on the first catch,when camping,problem sorted.The Defender is worse than the D4,it draws more current and wakes up for longer.For a remote area touring vehicle,it does not tick many boxes at all.For an around town vehicle,it ticks most boxes.

What if the engine is the reason for the breakdown?

l've never had the low battery warning in mine and l've used it for camping where it's not moved for days and l've been in and out of the vehicle multiple times. lf this issue occurred l would sell it and go back to an old Defender

@@oldcargeezer mate I had all the doors open today and the kids were out at the skate park and no issues!

The majority do not want a 4WD. The majority want an urban car that does 4WD.

The market price for old defenders have not doubled in my country…

... my favourite.

You might be spot on with that one!

@@ta3000 car washes in my area require that you keep your engine running and the box in neutral

Can u elaborate more on this ?

So true

Mahindra here I come

Well home many times has Andrew upgraded his wheels and tires, almost every time. You can do that on a defender too, get 265/65/18 wheels, probably the most common outback wheel at the moment.

@@frederikarmbrust not in Australia!

Thats incorrect. Tuffant based in QLD offers 18 inch wheels and you can also option 18 inch steel rims from factory for the P300.

@medicoverland exactly I have just got them on my Disco 4, future ready for a defender or disco 5 😉

@richardwhite6244 I live in Australia, so not sure what you mean with not in Australia! Check out every car coming on the market they are all 18” wheels or you can option for 18” for free (Ford Everest)

I used to have a BJ40 with diff locks, It was unstoppable and never ever broke down, It got me to some of the most amazing places in Oz that few people have ever seen, I wish i had never sold it.

@johnphillips519 Simplicity has a quality of its own. The 40 series was the tractor of automotive transportation. The foot vent AC never failed, a true workhorse lost in modern Apple Car Play, Android connectivity bull shit.

Absolutely agreed👍@@ivorscruton5121

Land Rover are selling an 'adventure' car. How can it possibly be suitable for adventure if even a simple flat battery can bring the adventure to an end - until an approved LR mechanic arrives? It's absurd.

@@4xoverland I watch several recovery people in the US, and it is amazing that with 4x4s, they actually remove the drive shaft, to stop any damage to the running gear. If they worry about a normal 4x4? What chance does a new discovery have? Yes i reckon without a flatbed or a qualified technician at hand 24/7, it's and absolute lemon.

Exactely, and a transmission going into park is way worse than the car activating it's parking brake. (the electric parkingbrake won't destroy something in the transmission, puttin it into p while the wheels are moving will.)

Get a Lexus GX or LX or Land Cruiser. All those has full-time 4wd

New Lexus GX and all Landcruiser have an all wheel drive, not part time

Indian made car problems

very lazy, then again what do you expect from tata?

The GAP tool also works for the New Defender

I'm pretty sure that's the same case for my Discovery 3 too. But since I added a dual battery setup and a solar panel a few years back I haven't had any issues to worry about. The GAP tool should be in every owners arsenal.

Ask the Holgates or any other LR owner who uses their vehicles in the bush ...not ASPW

Totally agree, I travelled many Southern African countries in a Disco 3 along roads that would kill most ordinary 4x4, and yes had a Nanocom diagnostic in hand. Andrews videos have never shown roads as bad as I have travelled, and that includes Lesotho and Mozambique. However he did do one trip to Lesotho which he did that in an Disco 4🤣. The truth is Andrew and others want LR to make a "modern" Defender in the style and mechanics of the old Defender. The truth is it would appeal to maybe 5% of the total global market place. No business is going to do that, Andrew needs to stop LR bashing as every modern 4x4 sold in the main markets are constrained by over complicated electronics...that's the way the modern world is, unfortunately. His videos are becoming tiresome, unfortunately, as a result.

@@caryknapton7233 I agree. He goes on and on and on bashing Land Rover and it's tired and boring now!

@@caryknapton7233and yet Jeep and Toyota are still manufacturing cars that are reliable with very few electronics. Andrew is right, here, and is plainly providing information that will help newer travelers and hip them to the perils of remote travel in what they’ve been sold to think will be problem free vehicle in the bush. They’re simply not simple. And that’s the issue.

@Queensizemusic I agree in principle, but it continues to feel like Land Rover bashing. My point is that the issue is not just limited to Land-rover its the same for the majority of 4x4 owners who will have keyless entry and automatic gearboxes from the OE supplier that Land-rover uses which if I am not mistaken includes the Jeep Wrangler using the 8 speed ZF.. If Andrew had highlighted this in his video I would not be commenting now. The fact is that the issue he raises regarding gearboxes and door opening in the bush is a well known by those that have and continue to undertake these trips as has been mentioned already in this and others thread. Long and short buy a Discovery 2 to 4 and take a diagnostic tool like a Nanocom and a few essential sensor spares as I did such as crank sensor, height sensor and you will be good to go. Land-rover of this era have their issues but after many personal 10s of thousands of KM overland in Southern Africa never been left stranded in one that is prepared and well maintained.

@@Queensizemusic I'm personally very keen to see how this holds up with the newest LC/Prado - the increase in electronics is noteworthy.

to clarify, they broke down 300km from town but the car got transported from Exmouth to Geraldton to be fixed approx 850km.