cats died after the 9th live composers died after the 9th symphonies. my theory is they were cats.

12:32 "why burn it" you guys should know by now that classical musicians are the biggest drama queens

I like to imagine that Beethoven was very salty because he didn’t get to finish his 10th symphony so after he died he decided to screw all the other composers over

Lowkey feel like so many more people would listen to classical music if they heard all of this juicy conspiracy theories and dramatic lives of composers behind the pieces.

"Many composers died before hearing their last symphony." Beethoven: I've never heard like half of mine.

Maybe Beethoven wasn't deaf; he could've just been really good at ignoring everyone with a straight face

Tchaikosky was forced to choose between: a.) a suicide and a state funeral, his reputation intact or b.) a court case, public humiliation for him and his family, and jail time for his then-illegal homosexuality. This is confirmed by the fact that he was given a state funeral with an open casket which the public were permitted to queue and view. THAT would NOT have been permitted IF he HAD died of cholera, as open-casket viewing of Tchaikovsky's corpse was NOT in accordance with official regulations for victims of cholera AT THAT TIME!!! Regulations in Russia at that time stipulated that if someone died of cholera their corpse was to be immediately removed from the scene of death in a closed coffin. Yet, Tchaikovsky's body was displayed in the flat in which he died and the flat freely opened to visitors wishing to pay their last respects. Among those who visited was friend and composer Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov, who wrote about the inconsistency with regulations: "How strange that, although death had resulted from cholera, still admission to the Mass for the dead was free to all! I remember how [Alexander] Verzhbilovich [a cellist and professor at the St. Petersburg Conservatory], totally drunk ... kept kissing the deceased man's head and face." Curiously this passage was edited out of Rimsky-Korsakov's autobiography. Another friend Sergei Diaghilev also visited the flat directly after Tchaikovsky’s demise and wrote that the corpse was not in bed - as would be expected of someone dying slowly over days from cholera: “In despair I rushed out of the house, and although I had heard Tchaikovsky had died of cholera I made straight for Malaya Morskaya, where he lived. The doors were wide open and there was no one to be found... I heard voices from another room, and on entering I saw Pyotr Ilyich in a black morning coat stretched on a sofa. Rimsky-Korsakov and the singer Nikolay Figner were arranging a table to put him on. We lifted the body of Tchaikovsky, myself holding the feet, and laid it on the table.”

Would be glad to have a second part to this video. I love hearing about my fellow colleagues.

the biggest conspiracies are: who is ling ling who is editor-san when is sibelius drop

"Tchaikovsky is gay" "He is in love with his nephew" *Classical music stops* *Banjo music starts*

crazy how i stumbled upon this channel and now i’m hooked plus i’m not even a musician let alone a classical one!

This video was *amazing*! I learned a lot. May I suggest some classical gossip for the next Two Set Story Time? Clara Schumann in love with Brahms, Buxtehude's daughter rejected by Händel and Bach, the immortal love of Beethoven, why Händel didn't get married, the scandals of Lully and Gesualdo, Vivaldi and Anna Giraud, Chopin and Aurore Dupin's daughter Solange... There is so much telenovela material in music history 🤣

We need a series called Storytime With Twoset

I want shirts that say "Warning: 9th Symphony Approaching"

That Curse of the 9th reminds me of something called "The 27 Club," where an inordinate number of popular entertainers (mainly musicians) have all died at the age of 27. Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Kurt Cobain, Amy Winehouse, and countless others made it on the list, sometimes just days shy of their 28th birthday. The causes of death vary (though many of them overdosed on drugs), but it is a bit eerie that so many rock/metal/grunge musicians have lost their lives at the same tender age.

The first ever performance I ever went to watch was Tchaikovsky's sixth symphony, but I had no context whatsoever of what it was about. I remember telling my mom hey don't clap between movements and although I was sitting at the back, I had a pair of binoculars to watch the orchestra. There was a flute concerto before the symphony and then an interval and I remember my ears being blasted by the trombones (also during the interval because they didn't play for the concerto) even though I was at the back. The first movement went by, along with the second and third movement. Many people clapped after the third movement, but not me. I could see the conductor wasn't finished. And to everyone's surprise, in wandered this haunting fourth movement and a dark feeling settled on everyone as if Death was watching them from a only few metres away. There was a weird moment at the end in between the music ending and the applause. We walked out feeling as if something was missing.

I'm imagining a bunch of classical musicians are all sitting around a bonfire and this duo is telling all the stories for the night

When you realise its Tchaikovsky and Brahm's birthday tomorrow

Eddy: “Do you even call yourself a classical musician?” Me: no I’m not a classical musician I just really enjoy the entertainment you provide and it’s teaching me more about classical music

Someone once emailed me what he thought was the answer to the Dorabella code, and asked if I could make any sense of his answer. He had sent a giant staff of music notes -- like 13 staff lines or so. I turned it into a bass / treble clef, and it sounded just like Salut d'Amour. I thought that was pretty weird.

All the other conspiracies: *death, suicide, hidden homosexuality, unfinished symphonies, secret messages* The Elgar Enigma: gUyS i HiD a PiECe oF mUSiC iN aNOtHeR piEcE oF MuSiC

Eddy: “Each variation is written for a different friend so it’s like coding your friends personalities into music” Me: oh that’s so swee- Eddy: “what a nerd” 😂😂😂

I'm surprised they didn't mention the supposed story behind the making of Fur Elise by Beethoven. Supposedly, he composed the piece for a piano student of his who he was in love with. He purposefully made the piece easy to play because she was a novice. Anyway, during the creation of the piece, he found out that the student was actually engaged and in his anger, he made the middle to ending of the piece significantly more difficult to play.

So basically the "dying after the 9th" is the 27 club of classical music

i've never left a zoom meeting that fast

Plot twist: There wasn't actually any hidden meanings or themes behind the pieces, Elgar and Tchaikovsky just said so to make it mysterious and trick people into finding something that doesn't exist.

Wanted to let you know that the original meaning of the word “passion” is “ to suffer”. It became romanticized and then changed to a more obsessive love or however you describe the current idea of passion.

My piece was commissioned by Count Franz von Walsegg. My beloved student Franz Xaver Sussmayr kindly finished it for me and delivered it to him.

This series should be called : Twoset unsolved

When you realize apple and Microsoft skipped the ninth. Example: Windows 8 - >Windows 8.1 -> Windows 10. iPhone 8 -> 10

I've played the Mozart requiem so many times and you can actually tell when it changes composers just by the music alone. Suddenly it gets very repetitive and it loses that Mozart quality of weaving the music together. It becomes structurally blocky and no longer seamless.

A lot of composers have destroyed their works. We had a female composer in Boston, Margaret Ruthven Lang. Her father was a musician and very influential in the Boston music scene. He was friends with and entertained Dvorak, Liszt, Paderwski. Anyway, she studied with various masters and was the first woman to have her composition played by an American Symphony. She destroyed most of her compositions and no one really knows why. Her family said she wanted to be forgotten. Her symphonies, piano concerto, string concertos, cantata, oratorio, French song.. all gone. What is left are works published elsewhere in enough abundance that she couldn't get rid of them. It's tragic.

The biggest conspiracy is why you're not better than Ling Ling la.

"mozart himself thinks he got poisoned" and that's on dramatic personality

The theory about Tchaikovsky's death sounds very true, refusing doctors to examine him because he was ordered to kill himself. I remember what happened to Alan Turing, although yes, different circumstances, years and everything, but Turing was sent to a mental asylum by the British govt. for being gay and he was chemically castrated for refusing to go to prison and later an inquest determined his death as a suicide. I think both were just forced to commit suicide and it's honestly haunting, if you think about it.

Eddy: "Was Beethoven even deaf?" Beethoven: ... Eddy: *writes it down* Beethoven: *S W E A T S*

About the enigma: One of his biographer and close friends actually said, that it would be in line with Elgars sense of humor that there never was a second theme and he just put this myth out to mess wirh the musicologists. Because for Elgar they alwayd wanted to understand music but never listen to it. Well if this theory is correct, than the Enigma would be the biggest prank in music history.

Something that makes Mozart's Requiem even more sad is that towards his final days, Mozart was so out of his mind with fever that he believed he was writing his own funeral mass. And when the parts that he had finished were sung back to him, he reportedly broke down crying and died a few hours later.

I don't know how much of it is actually true, but my dad told me that during Mozart's time parents became obsessed with trying to make their kids "the next Mozart", and Beethoven's dad was terribly strict with him because of this obsession- he forced him to practice all day, and beat him when he disobeyed. There are speculations that he beat him so hard that that is what made him go deaf later on. Crazy...

Beethoven probably thought Mozart and Haydn wrote too many symphonies, so the 9th got cursed, so no one could go over 9. Ninesthelimit.

"You should go write your 9th symphony" could be an insult...

"being gay was illegal in russia" .. soo, things havent changed...

please do more of these!! side note but i know nothing about music lmao but your channel made me really appreciate classical music!! i get so many feelings whenever i listen to some of the things that are played on this channel!! they're so beautiful & riveting and man i wanna start learning how to play the violin now but covid :( thanks for your videos two set!!

I remember the first time I heard the sixth symphony from Tchaikovsky It was so long ago in the conservatory. I was sitting next to my friend and when the last movement came we were like.. "Bro do you feel that???" The god damn air froze in the room and in the last bars the double basses playing that B note with that creepy rhythm, like death is coming for you.

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People: the quarantine won’t last long Quarantine: Sibelius 8th symphony

Mozart actually does get very dark at times, most of his music is written in major keys but when he really gets you when he goes minor, a couple of his Fantasies for Piano, his piano concertos (20 and 24), The A minor Sonata (the 2nd movement, he apparently composed this around the time he lost his mother), also this Adagio and Fugue for strings kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hKp7l9WCzNbDoWQ.html Regardless, the man has gone too soon. Come on guys seriously that Salieri rivalry is completely made up by the author of Amadeus, the commissioner was Count Franz von Walsegg

As somebody who grew up in an ex-USSR, Russian-speaking country it blew my mind that Tchaikovsky was gay. Like, it was never ever taught to me and I had music classes for 7 years. What was common knowledge for the rest of the world, was completely unknown to me and my peers, crazy

I laughed when they tried to pronounce "Süssmayr". That was some sacrilegious german pronounciation. Ignoring the two dots over the u is like playing a c when the sheet says c-sharp

Russian Court: Now that Tchaikovsky is dead, and no one will ever associate ballet with gay men ever again.

Hearing Tchaikovsky committing suicide because of the stigma of being gay in Russia makes me so sad as a queer person. There was a lot of theories about his pieces, but most of them that I've heard are so depressing. Like the theory about the ballet of swan lake, the letters written to his brother, Modest, about Tchaikovsky loving a violinist but he felt guilty and disgusted for the love that he felt.

5:28 for people in the math world, this is literally the music equivalent of “we leave the proof as an exercise to the reader” 😭😭😭

Can I just say: Eddy is such a good story teller , the way he paused and build up the suspense and then reveal the evidence was amazing!

'Salieri' Brett: celery

The biggest misunderstanding or conspiracy theory I know of is the idea that Shostakovich was a very devout Soviet and Stalinist, and blindly supported Stalin and his form of communism. In reality Shostakovich was in constant fear for his life and authoritarian retribution over his art, he saw his close friends and family "disappeared" in the middle of the night by the government, and had his name dragged through the mud by a "journalist" newspaper (which was really just Stalin's mouthpiece and a propaganda rag) and even received threats that by write ng symphonies that in any way make the government unhappy, he was playing a dangerous game that will end very badly for him. And such lines which likely sent icy chills down his spine. The idea of his love for Stalin and thr communist party of the Soviet Union generally comes from a book written shortly after he died, supposedly his memoirs and journals. It's belived it was written to cash in politically from his game, critically _after_ he would be able to refute any of it. The only pages which contain identifying information like his signature actually say mostly tame or innocuous stuff, whereas the really strong statements used as the real evidence for the claims made actually have no proof they were even made by Shostakovich. There's a great video on ol' Shosty by tantacrul. Check it out!

I listened to Tchaikovsky’s sixth symphony and I was really haunted for weeks. It’s really ominous. The man was incredibly talented.

If I'm writing symphonies, I'll start with the tenth.

Tchaikovsky didn't let the doctor examine him because of his mother. She died from cholera when he was little and he had to watch her dying. The treatment in his time wasn't the greatest. They would put the patient in a very hot bath, then directly on some very cold tiles, hoping the massive temperature drop will kill the disease. This treatment wasn't helping anyone at all, but IT was the best they could figure out. Tchaikovsky didn't want to undergo this very unpleasant treatment, knowing he's going to die anyway.

I did not know that Tchaikovsky was gay This just made my day.

anyone else want another episode of this???

*The Biggest Conspiracy Theory in Classical Music:* 1. Ling Ling plays the Viola

"He was his nephew" *SWEET HOME A L A B A M A*

There is a story about the Shostakovich 9th symphony which could have been mentioned in this great video. At the end of the 2nd world war, Shostakovich was commissioned by Stalin to write a 9th symphony to celebrate the end of the war and especially the triumph of Russia in the war. Stalin wanted a grandiose symphony like Beethoven's 9th. Instead Shostakovich wrote a lighthearted, joyous, symphony full of musical jokes. Stalin was so enraged that Shostakovich lost his job at the Moscow Conservatoire, on Stalin's orders. Shostakovich survived his 9th symphony but nonetheless lost his job because of it so maybe this is another example of the curse of the 9th.

7:52 "chai tea"? "chai" means "tea" you are saying "tea tea"

Twosetviolin: desperately tries to pronounce "Süssmayr" Me: *screams in German*

Here's more info about the requiem: - The identity of the man who commissioned the Requiem is no longer a mystery. The reason behind Count Franz von Walsegg's request for anonymity was very simple: his intention was to commission Mozart a Requiem mass to honour the memory of his deceased wife, and to pass off the work as his own. One of his musicians revealed in his memoirs that the Count often paid composers to write music that he would later pass off as his own during his private concerts. However, there are several clues that suggest that Mozart may have been well aware not only of the Count's identity, but also of his intentions: this kind of patron-artist relationship was not unheard of at the time; moreover, one of the Count's personal musicians was Franz Anton Hoffmeister, who also happened to be Mozart's close friend and publisher and, like all the other musicians that worked for the Count, he was aware of his master's habit: "The scores he had obtained secretly he usually copied out with his own hand [...] We [the Count's musicians] had to guess the composer. Usually we guessed the count himself... he would smile at that and be pleased that he had (or so he believed) succeeded in mystifying us; but we laughed because he thought us so credulous." Another very close friend of Mozart's, Michael Puchberg, lived in the same house as the Count, which would have made it very difficult for Walsegg to keep such a transaction a secret. Additionally, Count Walsegg mostly commissioned flute quartets to his "ghostwriters", and it was later reported that Mozart was asked to state a sum for which he would have had to compose not only a Requiem mass, but also a certain number of quartets. It is very likely that the composer agreed to be generously paid in exchange for both his works and his silence. It is a well-known fact that Mozart never got around to finishing the Requiem (the only part of it that was entirely written by the composer is the Introitus), and that the mass was later completed by several of his pupils. It wasn't until 1793 that the Requiem was played by Count Walsegg's musicians. It has been suggested that this event may have partially inspired Alexander Pushkin to write his drama "Mozart and Salieri" (which only reinforced the rumours according to which Antonio Salieri was to blame for Mozart's death). ⬆️source : astryfiammante on tumblr I know tumblr sometimes it's not reliable, but I chose that post because it was summarized. You can find the principal information on wikipedia

I always enjoy these two musicians giving credits, admiration and funny but serous comments. all of this with lots of humor. Just adorable and VERY entertaining.

I’m always fascinated and saddened by the lives these composers lead, and how tragically they came to their end.

About the curse of the ninth: Shostakovitch's Ninth is basically a spit in Stalin's face. He probably thought he would be executed after that

Mozart's laugh caught me off gaurd and just scared the sh*t out of me

I think of two things, Elgar's just messing with people by being overtly vague and or if they do find it out, it would probably just say along the lines of, "Your wasting your time in this shit?"

one of my old prodigy friends who was a composer wrote 10 symphonies, and then told me that he didn't die after the ninth and just took it as a sign that he wasn't a good enough composer.

"This one's for you music nerds out there" You mean this entire channel isn't for music nerds ? ?? ?

“Everyone keeps dying after symphony number 9!” Joseph Haydn: “hold my beer, watch THIS!”

About Mozart’s requiem - Count Franz von Walsegg is the one who commissioned the piece.

4:46 this dialogue gets me every time

Shostakovich broke the curse because he's Harry Potter and was Voldemort's horcrux.

composers avoid their ninth symphony like hotels avoid the thirteenth floor

1:08 eddy saying sus before among us ahhhhhh

What I know was that Salieri and Mozart were actually close friends, the whole jealous poison thingy was all Pushkin’s fault lol And fun fact: Mozart and Salieri both wrote their requiems with a bit of other’s melody in it, I remember Mozart used Salieri’s Krönungs te drum in his lacrimosa, and Salieri used Mozart’s oh heiliges Band in his requiem Sequence

Twoset: Choeuenskudla Me: what are they... are they trying to say Cholera?

Me, clicking on it: *Please mention Haydn's missing head*

The Tchaikovsky symphony is also composed in B minor, and for me it's the saddest tonality ever

I'm like a yr late but what if the "suicide note" was him describing his life 1st movement- childhood 2nd movement- he's discovering himself as a teen 3rd movement - he's an adult and is fully engaging in his "passion" 4th movement- he gets old and everything goes downhill

I'm a simple man. I see TwosetViolin, i press like

“Do you even call yourself a classical musician?” me: “No”

You should make a series called “TwoSetViolin Stories” or “Story time with TwoSet”

im not a musician and dont have any musical quality. but these two guys really make the classical music a lot more interesting. Thank you for sharing this amazing conspiracy

I learned this before during quarantine if anyone is interested. Mozart believed that he was poisoned with something called aqua tofana which was made by a woman who was named Guilia (pronounced Julia) Tofona. She created this undetectable poison during the Renaissance era for women who were stuck in unhealthy relationships. Divorce wasn't a thing back then and abusing your wife was allowed. Guilia thought that her creation would save those poor women by allowing them to kill their husbands and all without getting caught. Gulia was extremely smart. She even made a cosmetic shop simply for this poison and made the vile (which was arsenic by the way) look like it was a serum and even had fake instructions. The real instructions that the women needed to follow were to put one drop of aqua tofana in their husband's soup each night and by the 4th day, they'd be dead. This lasted for 50 years before she was caught and burned at the stake along with her daughter, 3 of her employees, and over 600 women who were customers. Ok I'm sorry for wasting your time have a nice day :)

Actually, the commissioner of the Requiem is known. It was the Count Franz von Walsegg of Stuppach who asked Mozart to write a Requiem for his wife's funeral. The commissioner asked to stay anonymous because he wanted to buy the paternity of the Requiem. Mozart didn't actually work directly to this commission, because it wasn't satisfying for him to write something which would be known under another name and didn't share this information with Constance, his wife. There is no evidence about the death of Mozart, but the hypothesis that he knew he would die seems legit, and that he said to his wife the Requiem was for himself seems to underline how Mozart has changed his mind about the fate of this strange commission. After the death of Mozart, the Requiem was played for his funeral, and the 14th February 1794 Walsegg used this Requiem for what it was commissioned: his wife's funeral. When he knew that Constance became responsible for "how, when, and by whom" the Requiem would be played, Walsegg decided to give up with the plan of stealing Mozart's paternity. Some year later, when he knew they wanted to publish the Requiem, Walsegg tried to claim a substantial refund for the fraud that had been ordered against him. He, who had done the same thing with the money, but in a more devious way. Greetings from a Musicologist ;)

This is my countless time rewatching this video. Twoset story time is so fun and educational that we'll never get enough of!

I'm alone in my room, and these stories really give me goosebumps

4:03 "It's haunting" Not as haunting as Brett's lo-fi

I made the mistake of watching this late at night and I am now scared that dead composers will haunt me. Reading the comments is barely making me feel better agh I am so scared.

I've been binge watching your videos for the past few days. And they're so oddly entertaining even though I'm not particularly fond of classical music. I really love your videos, you've become one of my favorite youtubers recently. Keep up the good work! You've got yourselves a new subscriber, and someone who's found a new appriciation for classical music :)

6:07 Brett sound is like Google translate "Okay"

Alternative title: two set pronouncing words wrong for 18 minutes and 43 seconds straight

“Will remain a mystery to everyone” -“Let them guess”

I love your videos. I don't have a large classical music connection anymore, and this has helped me fall back in love with the classical world. Thank you!

The guy who was writing his 9th: *Extends it For never dying*