5 Dumb Things Gun People Say About Getting a Suppressor

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With the news that suppressor form 4 wait times are at an all time low, people are rushing out to the market to buy a suppressor. The nay sayers and excusists have some predictable lines. today we are going to cover 5 Dumb Things Gun People Say About Getting a Suppressor
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@mhcaffey120 4 ай бұрын

Abolish the AFT

@sa1911a1 4 ай бұрын

We all agree, but comments on youtube aren't going to get it done.

@bcjdwbiernfjherwfbowfib 4 ай бұрын

Agreed. Every video says “abolish” in the comments lol. It’s not gonna change anything

@mhcaffey120 4 ай бұрын

@@bcjdwbiernfjherwfbowfib go away troll

@svbarryduckworth628 4 ай бұрын

Hearts and minds. Those are won over by just talking. After that we can move mountains.

@Shadow__133 4 ай бұрын

I don't like the FWD too.

@TheKlamminator 4 ай бұрын

Normies think you want to be an assassin if you want/have suppressors. My mother litterly giggled at me and said something like that years ago when I was trying to educate her on them

@John-tx1wk 4 ай бұрын

Back in 2016 or 2017 there was a legislative attempt to remove suppressors from the NFA. I don't recall the name of the legislation. Anyway David Chipman, yes, the David Chipman President Biden later tried to make the head of the ATF wrote these words in an opinion piece about the proposed legislation: "When it comes down to it, the only people who benefit from this dangerous policy are the gun lobby and those who wish our communities harm." Dettelbach appears to be a complete clown. But Chipman would have been a dangerous tyrant from day one. We dodged a bullet on Chipman.

@johnniewasr5740 3 ай бұрын

Duh, everyone knows only super sneaky secret assassin hit men use silencers.

@toddk1377 3 ай бұрын

Fun to use and shoot various calibers, but let's be real here, it's not like people tend to think it is like it's portrayed in the movies. I'd definitely much rather shoot with a suppressor versus a muzzle brake, I'm sure others next to me would say the same, but it's not like I'm gonna throw a suppressor on a 300WM and shoot something all while we only hear a little laser sound we would hear in the movies, that shit is still gonna make a loud ass crack. If anything, it'll eliminate all or most of any flash report and any concussion one may find uncomfortable.

@sullimd 4 ай бұрын

Every single buddy of mine says the same thing: “Man that’s a long time to wait!” And I say the same thing every time: “If you would have bought one last time we had this conversation you’d have one by now.” Now I have 5. They all still have zero. Be a man, have some patience.

@John-tx1wk 4 ай бұрын

That's not just the truth, it's the damn truth. I've had that conversation with more than a few folks. It's all pretty simple: put in your paperwork, pay your good time tax and forget about it. Be surprised when you get the call or email that you can pick up your brand new, super duper whisper pickle.

@edwardlee1858 4 ай бұрын

Same here. I keep telling my friends this. Im at 4 with another pending. Plus a couple of SBRs and SBSs Have a another can pending. Got my first one 2020, just cause I was bored from my job being shutdown for over 2 months. Realized it was pretty easy even during the times of paper filing. Now it’s just a part of my morning routine checking for that eforms notification. One of my buddies has some where in the teens, but everyone else has zero. We’re pushing our friends pretty hard now that the wait times are pretty quick. No excuses now bitches. Lol

@scout3058 4 ай бұрын

I just got my first one yesterday after 230 days waiting while new applicants are getting them in 2 days, 3 hours, or 2 weeks. It's absolute bullshit.

@BestBoricua 3 ай бұрын

Be a man, pay the extortion tax.

@timesque9790 3 ай бұрын

And you are on a list ,,and your buddy's isn't

@shannonmarcantel7993 4 ай бұрын

They already meet the threshold of common use which is about 230,000 units.

@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz 3 ай бұрын

There is no threshold for common use. Common use is a section of a ruling, not the ruling itself.

@shannonmarcantel7993 3 ай бұрын

@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz at a minimum the threshold in Caetano would likely be upheld barring an activist court

@werre2 4 ай бұрын

in Finland a gun owner can buy suppressors as many as they like and without any paperwork. They are considered safety devices to protect dog&human ears. But oddly, manufacturing one requires a permit so no 3D printed 22 suppressors...

@Whiskey11Gaming 4 ай бұрын

I bring this up all the time how Europe has a much more... open... view on Suppressors and generally get it thrown back at me that Europe is also significantly more strict on who has access to firearms to begin with. As much as I'd love to have more open access to suppressors, adopting that level of regulation is worse.

@akjohnmahaney 4 ай бұрын

And cheaper than here

@testing2741 3 ай бұрын

I made a Quorra answer on why cans cost so much that documents the same level device that sell for >$1000 here sell for

@tonyabsoluteam3456 3 ай бұрын

so what are the prices like?

@jmbzrx1200 3 ай бұрын

Isn’t it funny how one group of people here love to say how great Europe is because _______ but pretend this doesn’t exist.

@Wick-d_Trucking 4 ай бұрын

I’ve seen companies have sales where they will “pay” for the tax stamp. They absolutely can afford to lower their prices by a significant margin. With all the advancements in production methods, there will also be cheaper options come to market. That competition in the market place will lower prices. Will there be a supply and demand issue causing a surge when deregulated, more than likely. But simply looking at the firearms market shows that over the years cheaper options have come to the market. You can get a m&p shield on sale for like $250. There are ar15s on the market for $3-400. When the gatekeeping is removed companies will absolutely provide cheaper alternatives. No ffl/sot will be required for manufacturing. I would not doubt that PSA would bring an affordable to the market in a timely manner. Also, let’s not forget that an oil filter is pretty effective. The use of those may even take a bite into the market for the po boys (probably insignificant, but likely measurable 1%?). There’s gonna be some backwoods hillbilly shit going on when people aren’t afraid of experimenting. The idea of a muffler is not rocket science. You’re out of your mind to deny prices will come down.

@onmyworkbench7000 3 ай бұрын

If more companies were producing them the price would go down *_A LOT!!!_* Competition is *_A GOOD THING!!!_* At 200,000 they are already in common use. They changed the rules regarding *_pistol braces and frames and receivers with out CONGRESS_* passing a new *_LAWS!!!_*

@tonydiego5827 3 ай бұрын

The fact that this guy in the channel thinks the ATF follows the rules (“they can’t do that, congress has to do that”) is mind boggling.

@fakename287 3 ай бұрын

That’s such a stupid argument, why even bring it up? By your logic, why even buy a gun at all if the atf and congress can just “do whatever they want” and make all guns 100% illegal tomorrow? What’s stopping nato from deploying the fema camps RIGHT NOW?

@alkatraz501 3 ай бұрын

Right? Was this clown asleep during the pistol brace issue or the bumpstock issue or the forced reset issue?

@rabidsbr 4 ай бұрын

SCOTUS has already set the current minimum quantity to automatically guarantee "common use" at 200,000 units in Caetano v. Massachusetts. Suppressors, and virtually all other types of firearms, are already in common use. Remember, common use is a SUFFICIENT condition, but not a NECESSARY one. Even more important is that our founders simply said "arms", which is defined as "any thing that a man wears for his defence, or takes into his hands, or use[s] in wrath to cast at or strike another." There are no limits or qualifications in the 2nd Amendment. In fact, it expicitly says "shall not be infringed" where infringe means "to act so as to LIMIT or undermine something; encroach on something." Shall not infringe = shall not LIMIT.

@ecobasetech4558 4 ай бұрын

And yet here we are

@Pappy7064 4 ай бұрын

To me registering an NFA item or asking permission to own something that has been infringed upon by the US Government is the problem. I don't support the NFA so I do not participate in it.

@svbarryduckworth628 4 ай бұрын

The longer the deadwood and brush builds up the bigger the fire when the spark hits the forest.

@Opachki69420 4 ай бұрын

It also says in the Declaration of Independance that one of the greivances with the British was the fact we didn't have access to the same weapons/equipment as the crown

@rodiculous9464 3 ай бұрын

How many have they sold? Shouldnt be hard to tell right

@TMHonfire102 4 ай бұрын

James Yeager came to me in a dream last night, he told me to mount XS sights on my G19 or he was gunna break my back in the after life.

@pillscottvt6628 4 ай бұрын

Look at silencer prices in New Zealand, that's what nonregulated would look like,

@user-ep9mo9to6i 3 ай бұрын

And over the counter same day service.

@tonyabsoluteam3456 3 ай бұрын

yeah but this is America. we wouldn't see prices like that for 30 plus years after deregulation. if it all.

@robertsmith2956 3 ай бұрын

But you can't have a gun to attach it to.

@elzippo488 2 ай бұрын

@@tonyabsoluteam3456 Especially with the current Global Alloy Shortage and Sanctions against Russia and China, and more coming against India any day now.

@durchh7 4 ай бұрын

If they're deregulated I would assume there would be far more manufacturers and more pricing competition dropping prices. Thats what im hoping atleast. Lol

@svbarryduckworth628 4 ай бұрын

Remember when ARs were only made by a couple of companies? Back then a Mini-14 was the cheap option for a 5.56mm platform even though they were made only by Ruger. Competition and economies of scale always drop prices. I remember when a 20MB hard drive was a couple hundred dollars. MEGA byte, not Giga or Tera. And that's back when minimum wage was $2/hour. Add a zero for today's prices.

@floivanus 3 ай бұрын

People should’ve been paying attention to the solvent trap stuff; $300 all Titanium and 17-4 stainless steel rifle cans 😂

@ivcuz9933 4 ай бұрын

If suppressors were deregulated of course the current $1,000 can would not suddenly be cheaper, what would happen instead is that every one could now produce suppressors without jumping through hoops, therefore bringing cheaper alternatives to the market and also allowing DIY options for extremely cheap.

@Hornet135 4 ай бұрын

Also, that $1000 can would have to drop in price to remain competitive.

@Arkancide 4 ай бұрын

For me, not buying a suppressor is a tolerance issue. I'm only just able to tolerate the hoops and paperwork to buy a gun. Any further hoops and I balk like a horse you want to jump through fire into a pit of snakes. You aren't stupid for jumping those hoops, I'm just crazy stubborn.

@SkippyTarbuckle 3 ай бұрын

You're not alone there.

@milsurprifles 3 ай бұрын

Each person should do what they like in regards to buying suppressors, but I am on my 4th, and shooting suppressed is a whole other world. I am so glad I just paid the stupid $200. Sure, you could wait until they are an over-the-counter purchase, but you are depriving yourself of a lot of fun over $200. Shooting is expensive, in the long run $200 ain’t much. Silencer shop has the process down to using their kiosk/atm-style machines. And once you’re in their system, you can just do it all online for future purchases. Add to that, wait times are down to 1-10 days in most areas. You should reconsider, you’re missing out on a heck of a lot of fun. Cheers!🍻

@RobCalhounPGH 4 ай бұрын

Suppressors are incredibly simple to make. If there was no longer a prison sentence attached, every machinist would be cranking them out for weekend cash.

@kongvue5160 Ай бұрын

Yep. Agree. It was a definite no for me because of wait time. Now that wait time is days to weeks. I'm really wanting to purchase one. Now if prices and new suppressors are lower than existing. I would definitely purchase a few.

@matthewfuqua5281 4 ай бұрын

I think what you might actually see are cheap rimfire and pistol cans. The low pressure, aluminum cans could be made cheaper but I think they’d only exist in a nfa free world. No one would buy a budget suppressor that was fragile or required low firing schedules if they had to pay for another stamp when they dropped their pistol one time and bent their can. But if a rimfire can was $200 and no stamp it could be considered almost like a disposable item. My two cents

@svbarryduckworth628 4 ай бұрын

There would be many DIY options (running from barely effective to pretty decent) that would be not too expensive if the NFA/GCA didn't exist.

@atomicsmith 4 ай бұрын

A friend went hunting in NZ a few years ago. His guide had a can on his 308. Asked him how much he paid for it and he said about $100.

@gillieshooter4742 4 ай бұрын

yeah that's kinda how I always interpreted it... sure it might have easier entry into the business and increased competition and all that jazz... but the big one would be the opening of a the market for NON-bombproof suppressors. You are out of your mind if you toss uncle Sam $200 and wait a year for a suppressor that wont outlast your grandkids, but remove that tax and suddenly a "disposable" suppressor that eats itself alive after a few thousand rounds suddenly looks pretty good.

@robertsmith2956 3 ай бұрын

your buying the tax stamp. You can put the same serial number on a better made suppressor when the tinfoil one fails.

@gbear34 4 ай бұрын

I used to be a 'hold out for deregulation' guy, but now I'm thinking as many of us as possible need to purchase them so there is a better chance of deregulation in the future.

@dancopp5607 4 ай бұрын

and purchase as many cans as you can. Common Use is king!

@jrstoelting 4 ай бұрын

I didn’t think I’d ever get one just due to all the paperwork and fingerprinting and hassle. After I got one, well, I think every firearm should have one. Integrally suppressed rifles should be common. It should be an easy add on. “Ok, for a safe and an enjoyable shooting day, for this range package, with your firearm, you should get a range bag, eye protection, and hearing protection. And a suppressor, of course.”

@rodiculous9464 3 ай бұрын

@@jrstoeltingthe other thing is they regulate stupid things. I should be able to make a coke bottle or fuel filter suppressor for laughs with no restrictions. These are common household items and it shouldnt matter if i want to screw them on a gun.

@robgrey6183 3 ай бұрын

Millions of people bought bumpstocks. In 2018 the DOJ "amended" the regulations and made them felons. Wake up!

@obummer14-4 3 ай бұрын

@rodiculous9464 And what was the material cost of that???? Probably a whole lot less than seven hundred dollars right???

@knottheory79220 4 ай бұрын

I've always been told that a $100 suppressor would be good enough to get most firearms below the decibel levels that hurt your hearing, but no one makes them because there's no reason to make a $100 can that costs $300 with a tax stamp. So it's not that today's $700 suppressor will suddenly plummet to $100, it's that the $100 suppressor will suddenly exist.

@VSO_Gun_Channel 4 ай бұрын

@DinoNucci 4 ай бұрын

Wat

@TheAT5000 4 ай бұрын

@@VSO_Gun_Channel , could you please explain what you mean by, "no"? A deregulated free market would definitely fall into the rule of supply and demand. All these $60 monocore "solvent traps" would be available everywhere. It's just capitalism instead of communism. Goods will be more affordable.

@SomeGuyAsWell 4 ай бұрын

I could see cheap suppressors hitting the market if they were removed from the NFA. Not sure about the quality. Probably a lot of "finished Solvent Trap off Wish" options. Those might be under $100.

@DinoNucci 4 ай бұрын

@@TheAT5000 fair

@fattigla 4 ай бұрын

Just print out a form 5 and put it in the safe with your stamps. They'll find it when it's needed.

@tangoprime 4 ай бұрын

Yup. Whatever I have that’s not already owned by our family trust has a pre-filled form 5 in the file cabinet.

@tonyabsoluteam3456 3 ай бұрын

@@tangoprime how does the form 5 work?

@tonyabsoluteam3456 3 ай бұрын

how does the form 5 work?

@tangoprime 3 ай бұрын

@@tonyabsoluteam3456 works pretty much just like a form 4, but no tax payment required, and has a few additional fields. In this case, there's a box you'd check for "Firearm is being transferred to a lawful heir or by operation of law" and a line for "Decedent’s Name, Address, and Date of Death" - ATF examiner will likely get in touch and request a copy of the death certificate. As mentioned, for anything I don't already have in a family trust, I've got some mostly pre-filled Form 5s in my file cabinet with my other NFA paperwork. I've used a Form 5 to transfer an inherited machine gun and it was relatively easy - and the ATF isn't going to swoop in and take the stuff as soon as the owner passes away, they're not nearly that efficient. Just do the paperwork, they'll approve it, probably give you a "sorry for your loss" somewhere in the back and forth, and that's that.

@XskiXedgeX 4 ай бұрын

I have also had to correct a lot of my friends and family with them thinking the Suppressor is only authorized to be used on ONE of your firearms per tax stamp.

@Pappy7064 4 ай бұрын

A lot of what you said is true but we currently have a lawless government. So all of those legal statements you made aren't very comforting. I'll add registering an SBR or Silencer or any other NFA item means you are now on a direct access list as owning them and where they are stored, which makes it far easier to find you when they come to take them. Think of it as having to register all of your firearms. We all say we are against universal background checks because it will create a database. Registering an NFA item IS creating a Database. Seems kind of counter intuitive.

@comp20B 4 ай бұрын

An NFA trust allows other people on the trust to possess those NFA items. That is important to many people. As well as making the transfer of NFA items easy upon death; reduce the work needed by your spouse/family.

@ROE675 4 ай бұрын

The suppressors in Europe where guns are heavily regulated but suppressors are not, they tend to have lower prices. However the reason is that in the USA where it might take 13 months (thanks ATF) to get and cost a $200 tax stamp we tend to buy extremely high quality suppressors that cost more because we can't just run down and pick up a replacement.

@haroldlee4037 4 ай бұрын

Only really good reason to have a trust is that trustees can use the registered item outside the direct supervision of the purchaser of the can. For example, if I buy a suppressor and have it on an individual form 4, I cannot let my wife use it outside of my presence (I think the actual verbiage is "outside of direct control"). However, if she is a trustee on the trust, she can legally be in possession of the suppressor outside of my presence.

@dshawgo 3 ай бұрын

#3 Bait and switch/Honey pot trap So you are saying the ATF can't change a rule. Aren't we fighting just that, pertaining to bump stocks, pistol braces, and 80% frames? Why are we spending millions of dollars in court instead of Congress amending the law.

@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz 3 ай бұрын

Theyre not getting rid of NFA items, the challenge is if those things _ARE_ (or create) NFA items. Theyre not getting rid of braces, theyre treating braces as stocks, but theyre not removing SBRs. Bumpstocks are touchy because of the Hughes Amendment but theyre trying to eliminate pre-86 transferables.

@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz 3 ай бұрын

@@dshawgo and again, youre not getting the point. NFA items are very well established, the ATF isnt trying to get rid of them, theyre just enforcing it under their interpretation. The enforcement of existing NFA items isnt changing.

@dshawgo 3 ай бұрын

My point is, he said "they're trying to increase the number of people on the registry so that they can change the rule and create a whole bunch of felons . Well, the thing about that is that would require an act of Congress." That is exactly what they have done with the pistol braces rule, the bumpstock rule, and the machine gun rule. Pistol braces have been lawful for years. So have bumpstocks. Lightning links were unlawful but drawings on metal were not. I know that in the 1990s you could buy a tube with the print of the cutouts to make a STEN receiver bonded to it. If you owned the parts to assemble it, it was then unlawful. They just don't think they need Congress to get involved and that's not what the Constitution says.

@1259bogs 4 ай бұрын

My main reason has been that previous I couldn’t squeeze suppressors into my budget. Second I didn’t like the wait times. Now they I can afford them and wait times are low…what I want is out of stock…perfect!

@garysnyder6020 4 ай бұрын

Once they are deregulated, how cheep is "I'll make my own?" I don't think they will ever be deregulated in fact, you will be lucky to keep the firearm that it's attached to. People in Pa are about to understand how you become a felon overnight.

@NoWr2Run 4 ай бұрын

What's going on in PA. ?

@svbarryduckworth628 4 ай бұрын

After regime change.

@johnnyh4666 4 ай бұрын

Materials are materials. Whether someone else makes it (Form 4) or you make your own. (Form 1)

@EliAngwin 4 ай бұрын

Sorry But, there may be some advanced tech that goes into manufacturing some of them- but, they are pretty basic and most anyone with a little bit of mechanical knowledge and some shop equipment could build one pretty easily- that will at least cut sound by 1/2 or more. It’s absolutely ridiculous and nothing more than price gouging that companies get thousands for some of them- even if they’re made out of titanium.

@TeranRealtor 3 ай бұрын

I was wondering if companies would pop up with parts for people who will do this once they are off the NFA. Or something like an 80% item....

@robertsmith2956 3 ай бұрын

@@TeranRealtor They already are. We call them oil filters. ATF calls them suppressors. LOL

@johnw4999 4 ай бұрын

Thank you for clarifying the Form 5 part!

@dorzak975 4 ай бұрын

Politicians trot out repealing the NFA knowing it won't pass to sucker people into voting for them. Same with the Affordable Care Act, Nationwide Reprocity for CCW, etc.

@WhatkindofAmerican 3 ай бұрын

Thankfully 29 states now have constitutional carry. So ccw reciprocity is becoming a defacto thing pretty quickly.

@Starwarsgames66 Ай бұрын

Finally an upside inflation. Everything cost 30% more than it did 5 years ago that also means that $200 tax stamp is locked basically making it a lot easier to come up with that money.

@cfoutdoors0624 4 ай бұрын

The comment about the poverty ponies had me chuckling. I too have the poverty pony shorties! 😂

@VSO_Gun_Channel 4 ай бұрын

Me too

@mississippibilly_ 3 ай бұрын

@@VSO_Gun_Channel I've been waiting 17 days for Witt to ship to my FFL is that normal in this new era of approvals

@paulis7319 4 ай бұрын

Just as I was seriously considering SBRing my ATI poverty pony. Thanks a lot 🤣

@MrKingArthurhk 4 ай бұрын

Some suppressors are more expensive at launch, for instance the Rugged Alaskan was running 1,100 plus. Now, it is around 800.

@NCrdwlf 4 ай бұрын

Nice presentation . I waited longer than most to get one , but now don’t shoot without one unless I’m shooting my ww1 or WW2 stuff.

@dennishines9996 4 ай бұрын

The ATF can change the rules at any time you're wrong about that Fourth Amendment 💩.

@robgrey6183 3 ай бұрын

Bumpstocks. Millions owned them. DOJ "amended" the rules in 2018. Suddenly millions were potential felons.

@dancopp5607 4 ай бұрын

Math is hard, Economic's is harder. Suppy and Demand is "Vudu"! I shit you not!

@benjaminhughes2226 3 ай бұрын

This video's points are predicated on the foundation that i can actually "trust" the Feds to act in good faith. I lost THAT sense years ago.

@leatherneckprepper4477 4 ай бұрын

Every time you use the word common use, my ex-wife pops into my head. Because here in Tennessee and the current state in which she resides, she is in common use if you know what I mean.

@toddk1377 3 ай бұрын

I personally can care less about the cost of the suppressor itself, for me, I don't like the idea of tax stamps as I prefer to not give the government any more information or money than they already have or take from me, but it's hard to not want to have at least one suppressor just for the fun factor alone.

@shooterspodcast8667 3 ай бұрын

Thank you for the information. Good to know.

@2009Berghof 3 ай бұрын

As a former Class 3 SOT dealer I've always been amazed how people talk themselves out of getting what they want. "Well yes, but I don't want to go through..." My favorite was hearing people say while I am at a show selling NFA items... "I got one of those, but I did not pay $200." To which I'd respond, "That $200 stamp will be the cheapest lawyer bill you will get if and when they catch you." Their comeback, "They'll take yours away someday." My response. "They will take yours away today if they discover yours." I'd like to add that, how often do you hear the anti-gun folks even mention the NFA? (NEVER.) The NFA has always been an item that the government prefers the illusion that you cannot own these things. Even Biden continues with the myth. It does not fit the antis "BAN" agenda.

@MealTeam6_ 4 ай бұрын

These are all things I have heard at my local Rural King gun counter. Hilarious

@robgrey6183 3 ай бұрын

Is it "hilarious" how the ATF just raided and k*lled that guy in Maryland?

@Reblwitoutacause 2 ай бұрын

Dude has the Hot vs Crazy Matrix framed on his wall behind him? That's an instant like and follow from me.

@voteholyk 4 ай бұрын

Yes, the ATF cannot come inspect your NFA items. It have never happened. They cannot even do that with home based FFL's. You are 100% right.

@mfallen6894 4 ай бұрын

I thought all FFL could be audited once per year? The guy I use (home FFL) claims he had his 4473's audited the last time I transferred a gun to him. Though maybe there's more to the story than he let on...

@voteholyk 4 ай бұрын

@@mfallen6894 Yes they can audit you once a year, but they will call you and you can meet them somewhere to inspect your books. They will never just show up at your house and demand to see your guns.

@AfCalnd 3 ай бұрын

With the “Safety First “ culture that is omnipresent in the US, I haven’t been able to figure out why suppressors aren’t required especially by OSHA for security people.

@whereswaldo6085 4 ай бұрын

I refuse to pay tax to exercise a right. I don't have any NFA items or a Concealed Carry Permit. Why does one need a permit to excrcise a right?

@YerBrwnDogAteMyRabit 3 ай бұрын

I think the CCP is to help you exercise your right not to go on a forced vacation if you get caught exercising your right not to need one...

@pablodelsegundo9502 4 ай бұрын

I died at "poverty ponies." 😂😂

@Michael-ex8lk 4 ай бұрын

Deregulation would initially drive prices up due to demand and lack of supply. Afterwards people would probably start manufacturing them since it's now legal to do so and it would then drive prices down due to competition opening up. Hell you could make your own for less than $50 if you have the knowledge. It won't be better than what you could buy, but it would still work.

@robertsmith2956 3 ай бұрын

It would be BETTTER than what you can buy, You can even make a latch attachment method since you can't thread your barrel in crazy blue states. I had the problem because ATF wanted the tax for every barrel on my Gatling gun. So I had to figure out how to make one silencer for all the barrels.

@YOUneedJESUS1 3 ай бұрын

What they are saying. If you don't have to be a class 3 ffl to make a suppressor. More companies will make them lowering cost. Having been in the tool and dye industry. I could buy a billet of 302s.s. for $40. Use a Bridgeport mill and in 6hr have a suppressor. So if more people can make something the supply goes up, and the cost goes down.

@trentonricker5009 4 ай бұрын

The one thing about the Trusts. Here in WA, sbrs, suppressors, any nfa item can only be transferred once. With a Trust, there is no Transferring, therefore it can continually be passed down. State law bs

@ETHRON1 4 ай бұрын

If there is 2.6 million cans out there (in 42 states) that is 61,904+ per state, wouldn't that make them in "common use"..🤔😉

@seanberthiaume8240 4 ай бұрын

I waited 153 days for my "approval" and what's STRANGE is I was "approved" on 1/1/24! Happy New Year right!?

@robertsmith2956 3 ай бұрын

They had someone working? He must have had a hangover to stamp it approved.

@AllTheOthersWereTakn 3 ай бұрын

If suppressors came off the NFA, you'd be able to buy "disposable," suppressors at the hardware store... like you can in most European countries. A Dead Air Nomad TI isn't going to drop down to being $50, but there will be $50 suppressors available.

@dannymeadowswa6mqz212 4 ай бұрын

Them markings on the supressor need to be removed from ear protection.😂😂😅😅😂❤😊

@robertsmith2956 3 ай бұрын

I can't understand why OSHA doesn't go after the ATF. Gun range workers hearing is being harmed.

@SUPERBUBU-jb9tl 3 ай бұрын

people need to start mass buying and registering suppressors in bulk just to piss off the ATF

@doejohn8674 3 ай бұрын

In Switzerland you need a "may issue" permit from the cantonal police to purchase up to 3 silencers (around 110 USD fee) from the same seller. They are less restrictive in delivering permits now, at least in some cantons. Prices are starting at 50 bucks for a cheap .22 can and go up to 900-1000 for B&T RBS, and 2k for titanium suppressors.

@fattigla 4 ай бұрын

The silencers that are currently available for retail sale will never go down. The Barrett semi-auto 50BMG rifles are still out of many people's budget. They require no special paperwork in most locals. There most certainly will be some cheaper cost and cheaper quality silencers made for retail if silencers are deregulated.

@cdawson198600 4 ай бұрын

Barrett also has tons of military contracts, that will keep the price up alone.

@DinoNucci 4 ай бұрын

You think you can buy a .50 suppressor without paperwork huh

@fattigla 4 ай бұрын

@@DinoNucci If you read my comment, you will see that I was talking about 50 bmg rifles, not suppressors. I was drawing a correlation to some things just being expensive, due to a variety of factors, regulation not necessarily being one of them.

@brantingram 4 ай бұрын

if they get deregulated then you will see companies like PSA and others start making and selling them cheaper . they will clone the good ones and just sell cheaper. the ar15 market is perfect example .

@notsogreat123 4 ай бұрын

It's best not to deal with the NFA ! We need to REPEAL the NFA ! Period

@ashleypowers2421 3 ай бұрын

I did the Trust option from Silencer Central for my first two. I got them two months ago after waiting 14 months. I went individual on last week’s order hoping that it will be faster!

@TheBandit59 3 ай бұрын

I got a Banish 30 gold, and .45 can. This is my first experience with a suppressor. I was thinking of another 30 caliber can and a .22 can, Would you give me your opinion of your pick for both. Just recently I was able to build a .300 blackout Sig Rattler, with subsonic ammo, I thought it was pretty quiet

@dancopp5607 4 ай бұрын

Money? Don't even go there!😂😂😂😂😢

@MR-kl2ul 3 ай бұрын

Good argument for more integral suppression, off the shelf purchase

@G1Android 3 ай бұрын

I was shocked when I got my most recent suppressor 2 weeks ago. I went in on a Tuesday to do the eform and I got a call on Thursday from my FFL saying it was approved and ready for pickup. Sure as heck beats the almost 11 months it took for my last one in 2021. With regards to them getting cheaper, the only way that will actually happen is after deregulation is there will be a flood of cheap imported crap cans hit the market, but the quality ones won't really get cheaper.

@GrumpyGenXGramps 3 ай бұрын

I refuse to pay a bribe and ask permission for a safety device!! I never will and refuse to pay the ridiculous prices!

@mhcaffey120 4 ай бұрын

You obviously have no idea how competition works. You really believe there wont be more manufacturer's if they are deregulated? Damn you really have no clue how economics works. You must have got your economics degree the same place AOC did.

@blueeyeddevil1 4 ай бұрын

He also seems to think the ATF plays by the rules 🤣 They often don't, preferring instead to take their chances and deal with the violations in court if it comes to that.

@jnam00 3 ай бұрын

youre right but also there will be an increase in manufacturers, bringing the price down... so i dont think a suppressor will ever be more than 4-5 benjamins

@ehornad 3 ай бұрын

Last few years, everything i buy is optics ready. At 50, my eyes have changed, but im still faster with irons. When the day comes, all i have to do is remove plates and install rds.

@robertsmith2956 3 ай бұрын

I'm looking forward to going blind. Me and my carry eye dog can go anywhere. Not even popo stations have braille No Gun signs.

@justthetip5534 3 ай бұрын

I've alwast told people to buy one not and forget about buying the can and if you time it right it'll be a nice Christmas present for you or random surprise from yourself. Another one is their stamp would have been approved if you bought one when you learned about silencers.

@Thedogpound1997 3 ай бұрын

I just put an AB 7.62 warthog in jail. The price for the suppressor was $480.

@stephenaddair1337 3 ай бұрын

Its crazy that there is a tax stamp for suppressors, i kinda understand why full auto weapons are regulated not that it keeps criminals from obtaining them only law abiding citizens

@rodiculous9464 3 ай бұрын

Ive been on the fence but really tempted by the wait times. I hope you are right about common use. Would love to see them deregulated in our lifetime.

@nicke1903 3 ай бұрын

Its the "inspection at will" that gets me, I dont like it when family just shows up, let alone strangers.Your daughter could have passed away 7mins ago and you HAVE to let them in.....Im good.

@ElmCreekSmith 3 ай бұрын

At one of my LGSs, they are selling some .22LR suppressors as low as $250.00. If they could get 9×19mm Parabellum suppressors down near the same price point I'd be first in line to buy one, tax or no.

@crashtastic342 3 ай бұрын

I’ve been preaching this to my customers for years almost word for word. I hear this shit every day from people.

@bwea3712 3 ай бұрын

Thanks, I actually had no knowledge of the form 5 info which pretty much negates any reason I wanted a trust.

@GlassWolfLH 3 ай бұрын

"common use" has already been met, considering the basis for common use in Caetano was 200,000 in national civilian possession for "stun guns" decades ago.

@bugoutjeep8065 3 ай бұрын

I did hold off a little when Rs were in charge and there was the hpa with a little momentum, but I already have a suppressor and wasn’t wanting to drop $1k or more. I mainly wait because my current suppressor meets my needs and I don’t like spending $1k if I’m not forced to. Suppressors will drop considerably in cost if they stop being regulated. Though some manufacturers may not be able to keep their doors open because they can’t mass produce items as cost efficient as other manufacturers when the market explodes and then settles but the day they aren’t regulated, manufacturers won’t be same to take a lunch break for years trying to net demand. All things regulated are much more expensive, look at cars, food, health care, etc in other countries.

@theengineer7994 3 ай бұрын

If you want to see the difference in price between NFA restrictions and non-restrictions look at Texas and Kansas. Both states do not require you to get a tax stamp if the suppressor is bought in Texas Kanas made in Texas Kanas and stays in Texas Kanas.

@hakansoderholm6514 4 ай бұрын

Silensers are legal in Sweden and since about 2 years ago the laws are: You must own a gun/rifle that it fits on. Nothing else. before You hade to get a licens, about 30$. We have got some cheaper 22LR tubes the last 2 years But the bigger Rifle suppresors - same price. And we have good manufactors in Sweden, Finland and Norway, so no extra cost to get long away. and We can build them ourself. 🙂

@SourpatchAirsoft 3 ай бұрын

Great video! Although the bait & switch is probably most likely of the options. We saw it with braces very recently and braces are much less significant than suppressors so wouldn't surprise me a bit if they tried to pass a bill making people felons

@workingclassless84 4 ай бұрын

Principles are principles... No thanks... You can buy them all you want I don't care, but don't shit talk people for having principles.

@johnniewasr5740 3 ай бұрын

PSA would FOR SURE come out with a good quality silencer at an attractive price point if they were deregulated.

@randyhanson837 3 ай бұрын

The thing that burns my cork is that a state (CA) can ban suppressors entirely. It is a Federal NFA item and if you want one you pay a Federal tax under Federal jurisdiction and it is a mystery how a state law can take precedence over a federal law.

@robertsmith2956 3 ай бұрын

Only way I can see is you didn't buy bullets as well. That is what I can't figure out in these blue sh*tholes. Everyone should have a machine gun, or SBR so they are exempt from the state nutcase laws. They don't even attempt to ban machines guns, only scary guns that look like them.

@steveninaz9576 4 ай бұрын

Thank you Sir. I think if they were to de-reg, the cost would increase. Supply and demand. And they would sell a crap load.

@jackdundon2261 3 ай бұрын

I SCREWED my suppressor on REAL S-L-O-W, and it still doesn't go PEW! ITS STILL REALLY LOUD!!!

@CWO3-uscg 3 ай бұрын

Thx for #5

@kongvue5160 Ай бұрын

Personally, if ATF was stripped of their tax stamp for the suppressor, this would increase in sales of suppressors. Which would push existing companies that have not been in the suppressor business create their own at a more affordable price to compete with existing suppressors. I can definitely see PSA doing this. Once I heard wait time was literally days to weeks now I am really thinking about purchasing one or two. Before that, it was a definite no. Now I'm looking for a more affordable suppressor. It's all about supply and demand.

@woodrowcall3158 3 ай бұрын

I had an opportunity to speak with an administrative level employee of the ATF. She was actually a nice lady, very knowledgeable, and over the course of a few days an interesting subject came up. In 2016, the ATF collected $62,596,000 in excise taxes for transfers and manufacturing of NFA items. For every $200 collected by the ATF for transfers and manufacturing, the agency expended $4,792.63. Broken down just to the industry support branch of the NFA division, that one small portion of the agency expends $316.56 for every tax stamp processed.

@velvetant 3 ай бұрын

Michigan put into its law when it legalized SBRs and SBSs that we must show local and State law enforcement proof of ownership (Form 1 or Form 4) when we have the weapons/suppressors. If we don't have the forms, then law enforcement can immediately confiscate the weapons and we have 40 days to bring proof.

@robertsmith2956 3 ай бұрын

Then you make a citizens arrest since they did not pay for the stamp to transfer it so can't take it.

@johnstraub7494 3 ай бұрын

From what I heard recently, the ATF has done something that actually makes sense. They have cut out the applications that have issues and are approving applications that have no problems. Approval comes in as little as a day or so. Still have the 200 dollar tax stamp per suppressor. And the cost of suppressors will not reduce anytime soon.

@silvermine2033 4 ай бұрын

Don't forget to join the American Suppressor Association (ASA) if not already a member!

@GmanGSW 4 ай бұрын

Good comment. I'll bet most don't really know about the ASA. I didn't for years, then gave money and do. They do, primarily, for Suppressors what GOA, FPC, SAF, NAGR+ do for firearms, primarily. I'm a member of all of 'em and forget to bring up the ASA and my state groups... only due to length.

@Shadow__133 4 ай бұрын

Don't forget: Acoustical Society of America American Sailing Association American Society of Anesthesiologist Aviation Supplies and Academics Academic and Student Affairs American Statistical Association Archery Shooters Association

@GmanGSW 4 ай бұрын

@@Shadow__133 Good one! 😂

@TerryCheever 4 ай бұрын

It took the deliberate foot draggers about 10 months on my most recent suppressor and SBR, and I have been thinking about getting a suppressor for my Glock though I'm still mental self-debating if I really need one. I do have a threaded barrel and am using a compensator on it, just not sure if I want to step up to a suppressor and the needed sight swap to properly use it that way.

@JG-gw5cc 4 ай бұрын

I disagree on one point, one of the reasons why transferable machine guns cost so much is because of the NFA, if it went away the value is no longer there, now anyone could have one. The same thing would happen to “cans”. anyone could “make” “build one” and the market would be flooded with companies building them. one of the Reasons they don’t is the class 3/ SOT regulations, the AFT requirement because of the NFA. The price would come down with no NFA. Every gun company would start building them, if only regulated maybe like a regular firearm.

@MyxeQ 4 ай бұрын

Since wait times are not an advantage for trusts at this time, the only other good reason I see for an NFA trust is the ability to have multiple legal possessors of the NFA items. I have twin friends who use a trust so they can legally trade items back and forth.

@robertsmith2956 3 ай бұрын

Divorce is a good reason NOT to have a trust. To her it is worthless and has no value so can't use it to up her alimony.

@mithrandir1313 4 ай бұрын

I just want a muffler for my gun... kinda like my car has a muffler so it isn't so loud...

@TheSigp220 4 ай бұрын

You don’t think they know they’re going to lose the TX suppressor case so lower wait times to get as many on registry before hand? Not claiming it as fact, just a thought that makes sense to me.