Metal fans tell you you're a poser if you don't listen to the most underground bands they listen to, but when others start listening to them they stop listening to them because now too many people are listening to them.

#6. People who believe all modern metal with clean vocals is automatically labeled hard rock -.-

As much as I love metal, I can't stand some metalheads nowadays (especially the elitists)

Here's another one for the list: "Their first album, or first two albums, are the best; the rest suck." Artists are allowed to grow, change, and develop their sound. Some choose not to, some do. Either can be a really good thing! Some bands get better with age. Some bands find their niche sound and put out umpteen albums that sounds exactly the same. If you didn't write the music, don't write off a band just because they grew up.

Funny thing is, I actually discovered Metal by going outside of my comfort zone. I used to only listen to blues-rock and country. Stuff like Lynyrd Skynyrd and ZZ Top. Then I tried listening to heavier and heavier stuff, going from ZZ Top and then a little heavier to Dio, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Slayer and now I even like Cannibal Corpse. I listen to classic metal bands like Iron Maiden, Less known older bands like Alcatrazz and Asia, But I also like more modern bands like Powerwolf, Green Day, Tool and Halestorm. That's right, I like Pantera, Blink-182, Carl Perkins, Elmore James, Robert Johnson, Eric Clapton, Dio, Amon Amarth, Ted Nugent, Darkthrone, The Who, Hank Williams, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Green Day, Tool, ZZ Top, Metallica, Rush, Cannibal Corpse, Black Raven, Assjack, The Doors... Oh, and if you hate me for liking both Pantera and Green Day at the same time, fuck off. Sue me. Do your worst.

"I have a poster of Arianna Grande, you have a problem with that - fuck off!"

Bands like Living Colour, Faith No More, Mr. Bungle and RHCP got me into a multitude of styles. It seems that a good portion of metalheads don't accept or at least appreciate other bands and genres. Yes, it's okay to listen to A Tribe Called Quest, Public Enemy and The Pharcyde while having Pantera, Death and Testament t-shirts. Listen to Michael and Janet Jackson while reading up on Rush or Queensryche. Jam out to Janelle Monae while sorting through all your Guitar World magazines. We have to get ourselves in order.

I've been a metalhead since my early teens and now I'm also very much a hiphophead as well. I wish that metalheads would not write off all other genres as worthless. You can, in fact, like and listen to multiple genres.

100% agree on nu metal. I do not like the genre anymore but it is what got me started on metal in general.

The attitude that need to stop: Metal fans who think that Metal is the only good kind of music. I am a metal fan myself, but I also like other kind of music. Hell, I even found some nice Hip hop tunes I actually liked (I was suprised too) Or when people hate it when metal bands have shown their softer side. Like when Slipknot released Snuff or Circle. Or when KoRn released Never Never. Music is more than just metal. It is a bit of everything.

I believe that i can find at least one artist in literally every genre of music

Musicians tend not to listen to music from their own Genre..I know because I'm a musician, inspiration and originality is mostly drawn from new experience and enjoying a journey outside of your comfort zone, technically and artistically...so all of the 'elitists' may well be horrified by the 'playlists' of their heroes Lol...fact.

As much as I like classic metal bands like Black Sabbath and Motörhead, I also enjoy modern bands like Avenged Sevenfold, Slipknot, Five Finger Death Punch, Linkin Park etc.

I really do think the past of Metal was better but there is SO much good metal today

Dude this video is just a HUGE amen for me! I totally agree with just about everything you had to say on this! Personally I love metalcore and deathcore, lately some alternative/indie/experimental rock, as well as rock in general, punk, rap, some Pop, a few electronic genres and so on, while at the same time I love death metal, grindcore, black metal, doom metal, heavy metal and even some (non big four) thrash metal lately, and I love checking out new bands and parts of albums almost every day, mostly in different metal genres but different music genres in general

Yup. 49 year old metalhead and been listening for 41 years. Love Baby Metal. Johnny Cash. Hank Williams Jr. Die Antwoord. Beethoven. Slayer. Metallica. Overkill. Exodus. Slipknot. Death. N.W.A. Eminem. Jay-Z. Bach. Rachmaninoff. Wagner. Mozart. Sevendust. Iced Earth. Warbringer. Evile. Bonded by Blood. Testament. Cindy Lauper. Waylon Jennings. Ozzy. Sabbath. (Dio AND Ozzy) Body Count. Ice-T. Ice Cube. Venom. Gorgoroth. Mayhem. Immortal. There is no bad music. Just stuff you like and stuff you don't. Genre bashing is for insecure asshats. Grow up and love the music. PS..... #7 The Megadeth vs. Metallica debate. Fucking let it go FFS........... PPS.... I've been watching awhile but this video hit the nail on the head and voiced feelings I've had for years. Well played. Subscribed.

All of these really go back to being an elitist. Many, MANY metalheads are elitists and refuse to listen to anything but metal because it's 'subpar.' Metal has the most elitists out of every genre and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon.

Becoming a fan of Babymetal really changed my attitude. I used to be a pseudo-elitist. I definitely was someone who viewed time periods (past vs. present) a little too harshly (I used to defer to the past). I also was probably a 95% metal listener and 5% everything else. I was open but I felt I had to fit a certain mold. I would be a closet fan of things, almost afraid, even to myself, to admit I liked/loved it (like, my love of all things Morrissey). Babymetal kind of made me sit back and go: wow, this is really impressive and it is such a mixture of not just metal history but of other cultural ideas of music as well. It made me re-examine my attitude and it made me dig deeper into other band's resumes and try out other genres. I'll always be a metal-heavy listener but I think its always a good idea to be open and DEFINITELY not be ashamed of anything you like.

Something that needs to stop - Heavy Metal Elitism: I find that a lot of heavy metal fans spend just as much time saying what heavy metal is not as they do discussing their favourite metal acts. I fail to see why any particular instrument, lyrical theme, vocal style or image should be excluded from heavy metal because there is a role for artistic diversity within the genre. Frankly, it's at its most interesting when it takes those risks.

I'm so glad that this has been done.... If I didn't have such a scatterbrain, I'd totally have done this sorta thing a while back. Freakin' A man. You rock dude.

1000% correct, but I do have to say that people living in the past seems to be the biggest problem overall.

The BOB PART makes me laughed so hard. = )))

Serious question for you, CKN. Have you met any of these 5 type of guys you just explained? Or do they only exist in internet? I for one never actually met these kind of guys in real life. On internet? Sure, they're pretty much everywhere. But when I go to festivals, all I met is pretty much chill dudes who just wants to headbang & mosh.

The thing about glam, Nu-Metal and hard rock not being considered metal... it's not an issue with a type of imagery or a state of mind, it's about the music itself. Unlike what we find in extreme metal and its successors, the music composed by those bands is not at all based on the songwriting codes found in classic heavy metal (think NWOBHM bands and the like). People who aren't used to this kind of music hear mostly distortion and aggression in both cases, so they don't notice a difference. But if you compare the riffs and song structures found in those respective styles, the differences are huge and easy to spot. But I think what confuses a lot of people over this issue, even within the orthodox metal fandom, is that it is almost always framed primarily as a judgment on quality, when that has nothing to do with the point. As an example, Nine Inch Nails is one of my favourite musical projects ever, and I honestly think Trent's work can be way more creative and even more unsettling than most "immersive" metal bands. Yes, his music is based firmly in rock, and can be very, very dark and abrasive... but that doesn't make it anything close to metal from a categorization standpoint, because that just isn't how it works. On a different note, having open-minded tastes is of course a good thing, but you shouldn't have an open-minded approach to your music choices simply for the sake of having one. You should want to explore music that speaks directly to you and your own sensibilities. In my case, besides "true" metal, I enjoy some conscious rap (as long as the subject matter isn't too ordinary or the music too mellow), some electronic music (mostly on the aggressive side, but sometimes ambient as well), and even "world music" as they call it (meaning traditional folk). I have zero attraction for things like Jazz or pop unless the lyrics stand out in a very positive way for me, like some Weird Al songs do.

I've always appreciated Nu Metal.

I think many metalheads consider me a "poser". I suppose it's a fair assumption. Almost all of my favourite music does fall outside the metal umbrella, and because I do look a bit like a stereotypical trendy-preppy bitch people jump to a conclusion. But then when I talk about my enjoyment of bands such as Summoning, Nagelfar, Windir, Emperor, Lunar Aurora, etc it pulls the rug out of people's expectations and bowls them over. But in my mind it shouldn't. Metalheads, I find, are eager to judge on appearance and their early perception of people, and the negative labels that *they* feel the need to bestow upon *others*. We don't all march to the same drum beat. Not in music, not in Art. Variety is the spice of life, and in my opinion it's absolutely nuts that there are people out there pontificating on metal's superiority who would look down their noses at the works of bands such as King Crimson, Camel and Van Der Graaf Generator. But each to their own.

Couldn't agree more! I've always hated elitist behavior in metal. I've been a metalhead for 20 years but some of my favorite bands are non metal bands....I love the Crash Test Dummies, Oasis and Zac Brown Band....so what! Metal still makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. To quote the late, great Lemmy.."There's two types of music in the world. Music you like and music you don't like."

I also love something from all genres of music, metal just happens to be my favorite, I also love something from all subgenres of metal.

Awesome video! Subscribed yesterday after your Deftones Gore review. Glad I did

Thank goodness this is on KZfaq! I could not agree more, I'm learning about nu metal bands thanks to a friend of mine at school. I'm glad I didn't turn into an ignorant person who judged people by what they listen to. I have friends who like Miranda Lambert, Taylor Swift and Panic! At The Disco but I don't bash them for their preferences in music.

so many good points. great video. u should make a video of your top 5 bands to come out of the last 5-10 years...cuz i cant find any real good ones lol

Nu metal in a huge way revitalized heavy music!

Great video! I totally agree with you. Keep up the good work! :)

Excellent points. I discovered Black Sabbath really late in life, and when I did, it seemed like all of my favourite bands had defined their entire sound on 1 single Black Sabbath riff. I also discovered Slayer really late in life, and now my head is blown at how far ahead of the rest they were in terms of content and production quality. Metal is not about “separating”, not about dividing the nation, it should be a family of diehards.

haha! CKN, you are one awesome dude! very entertaining videos, always manage to make me laugh

This list is now one of the best videos i've seen on youtube, all these things are situations i've had to deal with, the worst is when someone asks what bands i like and one i mention is mastodon, which usually gets a good response from the asker, but then they develop a sudden desire to burn me on a stake when i also mention korn and limp bizkit

Amen! (Speaking the truth and I love how passionate you got at times)

I really appreciate this video and your prespective.

I love your shirt omg

whats that playing in the background wow blew my mind im kinda new to metal genre i started listening to it since 2012 i started out with metallica now i listen more bands five finger death punch avenged sevenfold trivium slipknot disturbed alter bridge pantera and 1 track from wage war and 1 track from meshuggah called bleed so whats that solo from 6:12 in the background

Great video coverkiller, I literally agree with everything you said in this video 1000%. Thanks for making this

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I am a multi-instrumentalist and producer, and I write my own stuff. I listen to ALL forms of music. I believe truly it is the only way to create something new.

I agree with you a 100%. Music is relative, to each its own and to fight over it is pretty stupid in my opinion. I am an old school metalhead but don't mind checking out some of the new stuff every now and then. It can be quite refreshing. And love your videos mate, you are great at what you do. Much respect\m/

I respect everything you just said. And April like the loudest month and I've started to go to festivals since last year. I started out listening to rap music and so the transition has been very interesting I do not know a lot of people in the band names. Yes I know the Internet is very popular thing to use but I just listen to the bend and if I like in cool if I don't cool I totally like this video and keep doing what you're doing

Great video. Agree 100%. I've never subscribed to the "my 5 bands that sound the same are more metal than your 5 bands that sound the same" way of thinking. And like you said, anyone who limits themself to one "subgenre"(hate that word) or only older/newer music is missing out on a ton of great music. I like everything from Elvis to Cannibal Corpse to Hank 3 to Mastodon, and recently even BabyMetal(lord help me). I think we owe it to ourselves to try to hear as much good music as possible. It's ok to not like certain bands, but it's stupid to hate someone for liking something that you don't.

Great video CKN. Subscribing!

Well said, and agree with almost all of it. Being a working adult, two new bands a day is a bit of a tall order, especially if, like me, you're probably already closely following more than 20, and not all metal. For those who can count the bands they follow on one hand, though, I think that is a good challenge.

So, question. What if i like older and newer bands (by the way I'm 21) but I still think older music if better?

Make a podcast! I would listen to this type of stuff all day. I absolutely love intelligent conversation that forces me outside of my comfort zone and you have definitely accomplished that. Well done, sir

Hey man. Excellent video. I agree with 99.8% percent, keep up the good work!

This is my new favorite video on youtube. i agree with everything you said and is how i felt for a long time now. thank you for this.

Good work man. Keep it up.

Hey CKN, I was just curious but what is your standing on Megadeth's Rust in Peace now in 2016. I know a few years ago you felt that it was one of, if not the greatest album in all of metal. Do you still feel the same about it? Does it still hold up for you now in 2016 with all of these great new metal albums we've been getting recently?

I agree with this video whole heartedly, while I love being a metalhead I have to admit that most of the heavy metal fanbase is pretty terrible and that all of these behaviors need to stop.

what do you think of carley rae jepson? I really liked the emotion album and wanted to know your thoughts.

This "my metal's better than your metal" does my head in. As metalheads, we should helping the scene grow and how can we do that when we make so many metal fans feel unwelcome

C'mon man, don't pick on me for pointing out your mispronunciation of "Jomsviking" by Amon Amarth...

Im kinda new to your channel and I think this is my favorite video

Bitch I love Slipknot, and Marvin Gaye

I agree totally with what you are saying about us metalheads enjoying multiple genres. I've seen Maiden, Malmsteen, and Michael Schenker live. I've also seen Styx, Night Ranger, Barry Manilow, Michael W. Smith, as well as enjoying attending Polka festivals. I love Polka music. Slovenian Buttonbox virtuoso Dennis Novato, the Malmsteen of Buttonbox/Polka music, may be in my 6 CD changer after Seventh Son of a Seventh Son. Variety is beautiful😊 Metalheads think of Accept/Scorpions when thinking of Germany. I also think of Buttonbox/Trumpet virtuosos performing in a Polka band. There are so many styles of great music, and I respect all virtuosos. Bruce Dickinson and Halford fans are missing out if they do not enjoy a little Italian opera.

I'm curious about what you think of these genres: Classical/baroque/romantic neoclassical ambient/dark ambient post-rock Gothic rock dream pop ethereal wave Trip Hop anything that gets played at Gothic clubs from Gothic Rock, to industrial, to EDM. I'm curious.

Been watching your videos for a while.. your shirt finally got me to click subscribe.

I've recently become reintroduced with my musical roots and I've been trying to listen to new music constantly. Everything from Leviathan to De La Soul. I really liked your points on this video, because music is an appreciation it isn't a competition. As to your homework assignment I think that's a terrific idea. Here's some bands for your homework if you haven't already listened to them, which I'm guessing you have: Boris Bongripper Weekend Nachos Earth Madlib Django Reinhardt

Couldn't agree more with everything in this video. Remembering that I don't have to worry about what other metalheads think of anything I listen to is something I have a lot of trouble with at times. And just because I feel like it, here are a few bands I like or love that I think everybody else should give a listen to: - Elvenking - Shadow Of Intent - Nekrogoblikon - Enterprise Earth - Slaughter To Prevail - Kronos - Syphilic - Those Poor Bastards - Skitarg - Erra - Fair To Midland - The Dead Rabbitts - Orphaned Land I think that's enough.

Modern metalcore movements, which has been going on for over a decade... to me, it is just kind going downhill while still getting slowly better at times.... anyone can like those bands if they want to. But it is kind of like how the metal community reacted to hair metal. Everyone has their own preference afterall. Anyways, thx you ckn for your service on KZfaq especially with dis video. It inspired me to become much more open minded to other music no matter what genre or timeframe. And it is a great feeling

All of this I agree with! Sure, I don't listen to metal often (I like crossover the most out of punk and heavy metal) but when I do, I enjoy it, I feel the energy the song gives off it's just a real fun genre of music. No subculture, none at all, new or old should have the attitudes you discuss.

You're spot on dude. The sorts of attitudes you talk about take me back to the schoolyard - you had to pass the 'poser' test before you could talk to others about metal or even have the privilege to swap tapes & listen to other bands you hadn't heard yet. I don't think it's as bad these days - you can check out anything you like thanks to the inter-web - but I think the whole snobbish attitude some have to music in general is complete bullshit. Listen to as much as you can - music is the best!

I like metal with good choruses and song structure. Highs and lows with a some growling or not

Preach, brother. As a fellow old man, I can say that this guy gets it.

I consider myself a 'music' fan. From Mozart, Robert Johnson and Lesley Gore through to Freddie Gibbs, Fleshgod Apocalypse and The Black Keys. You name it, I've at least tried it.

CKN I have a question, do you listen to Viking Metal? If so what artists?

The metal community is one of the reasons I distanced myself from the genre. It's almost like there's no room for experimentation allowed. Everything has to be face melting at all times, or your music is considered soft or too commercial. I still love metal, and get along with my old metalhead friends, but I don't consider myself a metalhead, because of the huge percent that don't allow their brethren to listen to something that isn't their favorite band.

Your thoughts are wise my friend, and i think that Metal is kind'a'like jazz and classic because it is a sound that doesn't has limitation it'll be here for ever!!!!

Can someone tell me what the song he used in this video is?

Hi. I'm a metalhead stuck in the past eras. A majority of the music I listen to came out before the turn of the century. I can name exactly two bands that have formed after 2000 that I listen to. Would like to take your advice and catch up on the recent stuff to see what I'm missing out on. Recommend me a good gateway band into the new millennium.

I'm actually really curious. What type of hip hop do you like?

As much as I love My Deathcore and Heavy Metal bands. I will Always have a Soft spot for Paramore :)

THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO! Everything you've stated is exactly what I think needs to stop with a lot of metalheads. It's really most people, not just metalheads. I get this question a lot, "how can you listen to that?" I ask them what they listen to and to their response I'll ask, "how can you listen to that?" Usually their response is "because it's good" or "I like it," then I'll tell them that that's why I listen to the music that they're inquiring about how can I stand to listen to it. Whether or not they like my answer, that's their problem. I enjoy metal and rock, and will listen to some pop especially 80's and 90's. I can't stand most rap nowadays, it's mostly just garbage (Drake, Lil Wayne). Rage Against The Machine and Body Count are the only groups with rap vocals that I like. I'll never understand why some people listen to some of the shit that I'm constantly being subjected to whether it's from someone's shitty bass system in their car (so shitty that everything is rattling so bad, you can't understand what is even being played) or some shitty artist mumbling some dumb rap on his phone through a bluetooth speaker at top volume, but I won't call them the worst people on earth. I'm guilty of constantly playing my metal on a display wi-fi tablet at work loudly, mind you it's not the loudest, but it's loud enough that I can at least hear some of the instrumental bits, and the worst thing is when a customer will usually turn it off and put something else on (usually rap), in which case I'd like to tell them kindly that I don't go to your house and change whatever you've got going on, please don't do it while I'm working. I know it's a display tablet that's open for everyone, but there's more than one where I'm at. I guess that I could say the point I'm making with that is too many people react negatively towards music that they don't listen to by turning it off, and there's way too many people that react negatively towards that, sometimes even violently. I'm rambling at this point, so I'll stop. Thanks again for this video, keep uploading more stuff.

My CD collection ( it now numbers just below 900) has everything from The Beatles to Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, Emmure ( yes) to Enigma, Santana to Sepultura, Napalm Death to Nada Surf, Suzanne Vega to Van Halen, 311 to 808 State (a late 80s, early 90s techno group from the UK). It's all good!

"I have a poster of Ariana Grande" LOL

Awesome Video, I completely agree with everything you said. Awesome that you mentioned Ariana Grande. I've only recently become a huge fan of hers(since november) and it's just cool of you to mention her because i'm such a huge fan. A year ago i would have never listened to her or so many others that are now become some of my favorites. And i'm always looking for new bands and singers(Metal or not, old or new). I'm just addicted and obsessed with ariana grande, so any time i see or hear anything about her i get excited and i have to stop what i'm doing and pay attention. I'm so crazily extremely super mega ultra excited for her new album. It's like christmas, halloween, easter, my birthday, the last day of school and the first day of summer vacation all at ones for me. I can't explain it and i can't help it. Wow, i wrote more than i expected too.

What was dat song playing at da beginning?

Besides Heavy metal, I listen to Jackyl, Soundgarden, the Nigel Dupree band, Stone Temple Pilots, The Doors, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Luke Bryan, Jason Aldean, Johnny Cash, All three of the Hank Williams men, David Allen Coe, some ICP tunes, one song from Twiztid, Adam Sandler, Alan Jackson, Toby Keith, The Ramones, The Misfits - with AND without Danzig, Offspring, Stevie Ray Vaughn, The Beatles, Anti-Flag, Dead Kennedys, Iggy Pop, Lizzy Borden, Nine Inch Nails.

I am a metalhead it’s just that I don’t listen to a lot of the classic metal. I also prefer black metal and death metal. I don’t know every single band in existence. I’m gonna learn more. I’m willing to hear some more of the older metal bands.

I was listening to master of puppets some time ago, and my sister called it fake. Her wall is covered in one direction posters.

I'm one of those people who think old metal is better and I'm 16 but it's only because I haven't found any metal bands out there that I like other than a couple like Ghost or Still Rebel or Joyce Manor, but will you guys leave me some modern metal artists to check out because I really do want to hear some new shit that I can get behind

As for new music, I've been listening to big, long prog rock songs lately. Just look up a random prog album, find the longest song, and listen to it. Yesterday, I discovered a sweet bass solo on the song "Abismo Terrenal" by 70s Argentinian band Crucis.

I guiltily listen to Hair metal, and you know what. I fucking love it. It's feel-good music that just is simple and fun to listen to.

I love metal and its the first genre I got into. But right now I'm so heavily into gangsta rap from the 80's and 90's.

hardcore dancing should stop its not 2005 anymore.

I listen to all styles and genre of Music. Variety is the Spice of Life!

Spot on brother. Thanks. Saint Anger.

I 100% agree with everything you said and have felt the same way for years

oh my Jesus!! where did you get that shirt?? only people ive seen with that shirt are the people I work with

Well said dude ! Please accept my nomination for metal president.

3:37 I love how you sound like jack black saying metal right then.

I know one non-metal artist that I think alot of people would enjoy. Try the electronic artist Varien, he incorporates a bunch of heavy metal influence in his music and even has a couple of music theories like why are metalcore/deathcore and dubstep breakdowns so brutal? Good places to start are Valkyrie, The Scarlet Dawn, Lilith, Throne of Ravens, Mirrors, Gunmetal Black, Moonlight and Morphine.

Has a big heavy metal fan most of my 50 some years on this planet, I love listening to different styles, respect. I love the classics Sabbath etc, Nu-metal was a change but enjoyable one, hair metal good too. Hell Ill listen to all genres and have fun, but Metal if my fav.

The thing is, Def Leppard WERE a genuine Metal band in 1979 and 1980 (Their 1979 EP and 1980's On Through The Night)