In case Legends gets a marvelous resurrection, we're so gonna make the Denning-verse stuff instant apocrypha stripped into an Infinities storyline that shouldn't be revisited again.

Allston's death was a real shame. I'd honestly love to see what he would have written later.

@@michaelandreipalon359 Surely It defeats the entire point of ressurecting Legends if you just wipe everything you didn't like from its continuity?

@@tTaseric Their fault for being responsible for why the continuity got besmirched and has its unaligned haters, hence the necessary, and somewhat meta, purge.

The less said about Denning and Traviss's works, the better. What with Denning setting the reset button on the Jedi Order's structure post-NJO from Dark Nest going forward, and Traviss's works being tailored around the Mandalorians being the uber-cool heroes and the Jedi as fascistic wimps (not even making that up, she legit sees the Jedi Order as gestapo. Wtf)

Just a slight correction to Corey's comments. The story was to be about Luke and Mara training Ben, and them finding the Thrawn clone on that journey. Not Ben teaming up with the Thrawn clone. All three Skywalker's possibly teaming up or fighting against his misguided ways from there. It's the whole reason the plotline was dropped. Zahn had the whole plotline requiring Mara Jade to still be alive. Zahn wasn't able to rework his story post her death, that he wasn't informed about, and Ben was too young to be trained by Mara before she died. So it was essential to Zahn's plot that Luke and Mara were to be the ones teaching Ben. Plus it's highly suspected that Mara was to finally get her backstory and purpose of why Thrawn wanted to recruit her that was alluded to in the Hand of Thrawn duology and her backstory of her childhood past. Zahn has even stated as much. So the pivotal character here wasn't Ben Skywalker, as he was a blank slate Jedi trainee, so much as Luke and Mara being his established Masters finishing their character arcs of passing on everything that they had learned.

Same, and it makes sense for Thrawn to have had more than one backup clone.

My main issue with the Kaden Korr books is my insistence that Jaden should have been female and the Exile male.

Eh, the novels are apocrypha to me. My interpretation for Jaden Korr, alongside Revan and the Jedi Exile is that their gender and Force alignment should have stayed ambiguous.

@@michaelandreipalon359 That can work too.

​@@michaelandreipalon359 I honestly don't care about the genders of the Exile or Jaden, but I do like that Revan has a definitive appearance, personality, and history. IMO, he's simply too big and influential of a character to tiptoe around the details of, and I think that his romantic relationship with Bastila Shan (including marrying and having children with her) and the idea that love between Jedi *isn't* inherently wrong or a force for evil, but can actually be a force for redemption, draws strong parallels with the teachings and positions of other forward-thinking Jedi like Qui-Gon and Luke. They both accomplished great things via the power of love. Qui-Gon maintained his identity after death (something that normally only Sith could do through greedy attachment to artifacts or locations that were important to them), and Luke redeemed his father by showing him unconditional love when everyone else had written him off as a lost cause. That said, I'm not happy with *_all_* the details of Revan's story (Shadow of Revan), but the themes surrounding him are generally well done, and wouldn't work as well (or at all) without giving the character a definitive background. In any case, I think the fleshing out of his character was only a matter of time. Even if BioWare's writers hadn't have done it, it's very likely that someone else would have. Most fans already know that George Lucas nearly did it himself while laying out the Mortis arc for The Clone Wars. At the very least his appearance in that series would have been cemented as male, and who knows what other details would have been given away through dialogue in those episodes.

@@DovahFett ...I still would prefer ambiguity. Making Revan a Light Sided male that was easily turned into a living plaything by some generic fool named Vitiate/Valkorion/kriff whatever-his-name is, complete with getting an evil split personality clone, just robs a lot of value to KotOR I and II playthroughs for the lot of us.

lol good old paranoid revan and his ridiculous plans.

Their role has sort of been given to the mysterious Grysk in the modern Thrawn books. Like the Ssi-Ruuk, they have been teased as potentially being a galactic-wide threat, and are presented as the main adversaries of the Chiss Ascendancy. On top of that, they are described as having a somewhat reptilian appearance.

​@@DovahFettTbh Grysk seem more like Vong reintroduced in canon, what with their heavy emphasis on psychological warfare and weakening enemies from internal manipulation long before attacking.

Imo the Ssi-ruu never could’ve feasibly posed such a galactic scale threat given their reluctance to attack/die on unconsecrated worlds, but it would’ve been cool to see them appear more

Exactly Don't give me wrong i loved LucasArts and their games such as the original battlefront 1 & 2 and the bounty hunter with Jango Fett But even though many people loved to attack Disney for shutting down LucasArts ignoring the fact that LucasArts by that point was having problems such having the force unleashed 2 story being rushed as well as micromanaging in general. With that said If i want something from LucasArts Besides Battlefront 3 before they were shut down it is 1313?

Absolutely. Recently I revised my head canon. Legends/EU all the way. I was with many with Star Wars dying in 2012 was Lucas sold. But Filoni's The Clone Wars are so canon breaking in numerous ways that the IP died in 2007/2008 when movie and TV series came out. 2003 Cone Wars is great and works. The Clone Wars is the precursor to Disney Wars. I like the stories and do like Rebels, but I now reject those series as not true Star Wars. Anakin does not have a padawan, Asohka should be dead long before A New Hope, Maul stays dead, no f-ing helicopter lightsabers, no need for Inquisitors, no pacifist Mandalore or darksaber... I could go on.

@@jasonkiefer1894 Preach, fellow!

​@@jasonkiefer1894The Clone Wars (2008) is the single best thing to happen to Star Wars since the original trilogy. It single handedly redeemed the Prequels in the eyes of millions of fans and ushered in a golden age of Star Wars content. The 2003 series is almost completely inconsequential by comparison. It adds almost nothing to the characters it portrays, completely destroys any semblance of power scaling in the franchise (Mace Windu karate chopping a thousand B2s by himself), and is the epitome of style over substance. It's a fun watch for sure, and is artistically impressive, but it doesn't work on any level in terms of character or plot development. Not to mention that its portrayal of Grievous *completely* contradicts George Lucas' own depiction in Episode III. A piece of media that so badly conflicts a main series film does *_not_* work in the larger canon, neither now nor then. I was nine when The Clone Wars (2008) first began airing, and literally grew up with it. That show single handedly nurtured my love for the franchise and that era in particular. If it were to be removed or erased, the loss to the franchise's lore would be catastrophic. It's worth keeping for no other reason than its characterization of the Clones. It's humanization and characterization of them was _sorely_ needed, and previously was only found in periphery media like the Republic Commando series of novels. In most everything else they were being depicted as being little more than droid-like Stormtroopers by another name. The 2003 series is guilty of this as well. The Clone Wars *_is_* Star Wars, and was George Lucas' last gift to the fans before he finally got tired of being constantly pissed on by its most entitled and insatiable members. It was not the beginning of Disney canon, but the end of George Lucas' canon. I'd go as far to say that if you don't like The Clone Wars, you don't like Star Wars. I know that's a no true Scotsman argument, but I think it's true in this case. The series is as integral to the franchise as any of the films (and more so than several of them). It has become the bedrock of the franchise, and the stories and characterizations it provides contains much of the best writing the franchise has ever produced. To dismiss it is totally alien to me and the millions of fans it created (and continues to attract). It is not to blame for any of the subpar stories that might trace their roots to it. Doing so would be like blaming Peter Jackson's LoTR trilogy for the failures of Amazon's Rings of Power. The good these works did far outweigh any potential harm caused down the road by the pieces of media that they directly or indirectly inspired through their success. They are great works of art and should be respected as such. In any case, the amount of absolutely nonsensical, contradictory tripe that came out of EU makes your argument ridiculous, and I say that as someone who loves many of its stories and characters. But to act like everything was rosy before The Clone Wars is total nonsense, and if you disagree you've either forgotten many of its worse products (The Courtship of Princess Leia, The Dark Empire, and the Yuuzhan Vong say hello) or you never read them in the first place.

Yeah I think you can see a change in Lucas art video games when they stopped having animated Lucas arts logos.

I honestly like what swtor did. I liked that a small piece of the original golden age sith empire survived and later thrived in unknown space just waiting for revenge for the genocide the republic inflicted on them. If only sadow didn’t kill Kresh… if kresh lived then he would have prevented the insane war that the empire couldn’t win.

@@empirednw6624 He would have been a strict and harsh ruler which is why the massasi and most of the empire sided with sadow instead.

This is one of the biggest dropped plots, and it would have drastically reshaped the history of the galaxy. For those who don't know, in Kotor 2 it's pretty much outright stated that the known Sith Empire, which was found by Dark Jedi on Korriban and conquered a small quadrant of space before being defeated in the TotJ comics (and going on to spawn the entire following line of Sith in the galaxy), was in fact nothing but a tiny, castoff, forgotten outpost of the True Sith Empire which resided in the Unknown Regions, which Revan himself maybe came from and was desperate to do anything to defeat. This concept actually ties in neatly with the threat in the Unknown Regions the Chiss were always so wary of, and even explains their presence in TOR since they get allied with Vitiate's Empire despite the two groups being nowhere near one another,

​@@empirednw6624I find it incredibly lame. Like, do they really need to look exactly like the Galactic Empire? TIE Fighters, Star Destroyers, Storm Trooper armor, all that shit was meant to be the next generation of vehicles and equipment the Republic used during the Clone Wars, like V Wings and Venators. Palpatine didn't just randomly start making the Empire look suspiciously close to the Sith Empire, that's dumb as hell. That'd be like if modern US marines started wearing grey uniforms with red arm bands and no one is expected to connect the dots there.

I always thought that KOTOR 2's version sounded infinitely more interesting than anything else they've done with the idea of an "ancient Sith Empire." They made it sound less like an actual government that can conquer the Republic but they're led by evil Jedi, and more like a Lovecraftian, eldtrich entity that would consume the entire galaxy if given the chance. They sounded a lot more like a group of Darth Nihilus' running around consuming entire planets, with the implication that Nihilus himself wasn't nearly as powerful as these actual Sith Lords. That sounds way more interesting than the lame shit we got in SWTOR.

That works, but it does waste her badly.

@@michaelandreipalon359fine by me, she is kind of lame.

@@empirednw6624 And even then, said army didn't do much of important iconic value in the notably rushed pace of the Dark Empire comics.

@@michaelandreipalon359 I still like dark empire, but some of the artwork is pretty bad with those weird colors and washed out backgrounds…

@@empirednw6624 It does grow on you for some reason. Like, yes, it is lackluster compared to many other comics, but changing it altogether feels heretical.

Doesn't help that FU2 ends with Vader being captured 1 year before a new hope. That's a big deal.

I think all you can do is write it off as non-canon/ massively overblown story told long after the fall of the empire. The stuff that happens is just too much.

I always just pretended the sequel was never canon, and that Galen died founding the Rebellion. Really, the only way to wrap up TFU2's story withlut a sequel is if Vader gets free and teams up with Boba Fett to kill everyone, and I can't imagine how lame that'd be for the main characters. TFU2 should've been about General Kota leading the Rebellion and how he dies before A New Hope, since obviously he and Galen can't be around by then. Plus it'd be great inversion of "the master sacrifices himself for his student" trope, where Kota has to live with the fact his apprentice is dead.

Hey, isn't she the Nightsister Quinlan Vos retrieved in the Republic comics?

@@michaelandreipalon359 Pretty sure that is right, yes

that would be a dream come true honestly. a true wildcard faction out of left field

You can get the Thrawn clone as the EOTH, which I'd pretty cool

Possible, but make sure the Legends-verse and Alt-universe involved are NOT the "prime universes". Make them Elseworlds/Infinities just in case. Oh, and make sure the saga ends with neither side winning, because a pissed off once-covert Multiversal defense force has had enough and is now going to bring safety, security, and peace to a beleaguered Multiverse by any means necessary... which can lead to a shocking conclusion of them about to make an example with the Earth of Gravity Falls/Amphibia/The Owl House.

I pretty much view it all as canon unless something contradicts another thing, or if it's just shit (the sequels, SWTOR, TFU2, etc). I like the idea of General Kota and Saw Guerrera working together, I think they'd make an interesting pair.

It's not just about raw cost or return. There's other publishing resources involved in that.

@CoreysDatapad I guess I just figured with how I thought physical publishing in general has struggled for a bit now, that publishers would be happy to have anything they thought could be a net positive in revenue. But you're right, there are other factors in play. And neat, never thought I'd get a response from the channel creator on one of these comments! Thanks for the uploads!

Thraaawn

No where is that on the title

​@@Littlemilkjug533I saw Silri in the thumbnail

Wait WHAT ?!? There are fanmade versions by one author ???

What are you talking about? I DO NOT remember her being a pivotal character on those mystical tales!

@@michaelandreipalon359 Not the original version, no, but the updated final one out on the site now!

Silri and the Consortium only make brief cameos, which ultimately leave an even bigger cliffhanger for that part of the timeline than Forces of Corruption did. (Edit because KZfaq won't let me make new comments on this specific video for some reason) ​ @RevanX77 It's in the Supernatural Encounters download you can find on the Star Wars Timeline website. Silri's part is in Chapter 83. I think it was updated earlier this year, because I noticed an older version of the book I got elsewhere didn't have that part.

@@shadowslayer205 Seriously, where is this again?

@@shadowslayer205 Yeah I ditto this, where are they shown and how?

Yeah when making these types of videos you could do one just on video games alone.

@@DanBen07 frr bro

Oh, yeah, the fate of Hamo Blastwell, among other characters in the feelies, is still a mystery. The fleet was trivial enough, so it must have been easily taken out by the loyalist hunters. Still hoping XWAU gets a fully voiced, well done fanmade expansion pack that closes that loose end and more. Besides, the FreeSpace modding community, bless 'em, did the same with the FS(1) Port add-on Silent Threat: Reborn.

That feels very late in the timeline for them to have died then personally

The force unleashed games were only set 2 and 1 year before a new hope, so it isn't that far off.

@kingofhearts3185 seriously? I thought the first was at least like 5 yrs prior with the 2nd being like a yr maybe 2 max later. Tbf it's been a long time since I played them and the first death star I figured was still a while away from being fully operational

@@TY-km8hj I was surprised too, thought the rebel alliance was older.

@@kingofhearts3185 Individual Rebel Cells existed as early as the Empire's formation, but the actual Alliance was always formed very late into the timeline. Mon Mothma, Bail, and Garm had been doing their own things for over a decade before they united and formed the Alliance and a bunch of other fragmented groups followed suit around the Battle of Yavin.

Much appreciated. Copying these for later: Force Unleashed and Imperial Commando a fanfic, fanfiction, fan fiction continuations, sequel, “The Force Restored” and “Twilight of the Jedi: The Dying Day"

Honestly, I found the HandofThrawn45 fanfics to be terribly written, which also just skip absolutely vital bits. They're very plot driven with characters acting like automatons to randomly behave a certain way to force some rather contrived plotlines. I seriously don't understand why people like them.

No wonder there's a growing fan movement of only deeming Republic Commando: Hard Contact as a standalone tie-in to the video game.

I give the Commando novels a pass despite Traviss' Travissisms. It was interesting seeing the clones basically trying to find a cure for themselves and search for a place in the galaxy, and having different perspectives on their role in the war.

Read supernatural encounters

​@@magnenoalex2Preach!

After the reboot. While the second run of the Legacy comics was always going to prioritize a new cast of characters, it was also intended to tie up loose narrative threads left by the original run. The problem is that its publication started in the 18-month period between the Disney acquisition of the franchise, and the official discontinuation and decanonization of the EU. Because of this, the series was cut short and suffered a very rushed conclusion without being able to address the fate of most characters from the original Legacy run.

George wanted to see Talon as the New Big Bad.

Honestly, one should be fine just finishing with Legacy: War. Legacy II feels a bit fillery.

@@conradojavier7547 It was both Maul and Talon he would've used as the main antagonists for his own sequel trilogy, but he wouldn't have taken the Legacy comics into consideration at all. Despite his imput on some creative choices for some EU stories, he wasn't beholden by its continuity and would've had no qualms about overwriting the entire post-OT era to tell the story he wanted.

I imagine people have already done that. There's probably some good fanfic about all of this stuff.

Yeah, you have no idea how many KOTOR 3 fanfics are out there.

I’m sick of people calling zahn a crypto fascist for his thrawn stuff lol. That’s probably one reason why more stories with him didn’t happen.

No Star forge ships were powerful, and I assume they would keep them for a reason.

@@DarthMarr2009 Although the question would then become why Revan or Malek hid and armada and army away while they were busy tsking over the galaxy

Gotta remember the star forge ships were like 20,000 year old designs that used the power of the dark side. Even being an additional 5000 years older they'd be a threat because of that advantage. Instead of measuring their capabilities in turbo lasers or missiles you measure it in pure hatred

@@michaeltrombley-ir5yp Werent those ships still defeates by the republic and jedi fleet? So they couldnt have been that fsr sbove the galactic standard at the time.

@@ianmckee4726 only occasionally beaten by Republic ships. The Sith were rolling over the opposition untill Malak did his big betrayal. Before that it required more Republic ships to beat one Star Forge capital ships than a 1 to 1 fight. The big victories for the Republic needed battle meditation to even the odds. Something like an executor class would be trouble for the sith ships but a mon cal ship or an ISD wouldn't stand a chance without a 3 to 1 advantage

Vader, & Starkiller stuck on a Planet, sounds like Ahsoka to me with Ahsoka the White & Her Mando Padawan stuck in a Space Crab Planet.

@@conradojavier7547 And thats not an unworkable premise. Vader landinf on a planet of scavengrrs and conqueoring it becssue he can sounda like a cool idea.

It is a shame tfu 3 didn’t come to fruition

Sev most likely became the first Rebel Commando/Pathfinder. I still think KotOR III happened, albeit offscreen not unlike whatever happened between Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge and The Curse of Monkey Island.

@@michaelandreipalon359 Sadly, it would be hard for KOTOR III to happen off screen thanks to the Revan novel.

Remember that, for better or for worse, the Revan and KOTOR III-related stuff ultimately just ended up being an hour-long side-quest in TOR, and you don't really HAVE to speak to Scourge more than a couple times if you don't want to. Point being, the game itself is infinitely larger than the disappointing direction they took Revan, and they thankfully let you ignore most of it to plant your own headcanons in there. Also, I do think they made the right call with how they showed the Sith. Having the Sith be slightly more uniform Sith society definitely worked in its favour more than just bloodborne-esque Sith abominations (Which would have definitely been really cool, but not for the type of game that TOR was.). The sheer scale of the worldbuilding at play during the 4 Imperial class stories was, in my opinion, a worthy trade-off to the stuff we lost from a potential KOTOR 3.

@@tTaseric Nah, considering the predatory monetary practices in TOR plus the fact that it just honestly wasn't that good, it wasn't a worthy replacement at all.

@@shadekerensky3691 Massively disagree but sure.

Honestly my head canon is that Tyber Zann in his search for Emperor's Vaults found Wayland and turned into a candle.

@@ArmedPotat0 Too anticlimactic.