I know she isn't elite but Rachel Baumann did a triple L turn at Nastia Liukin Cup 2016!

Melanie DJDS is working on a new beam mount, you can see it at 6:30 here : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gpmfatqSxKvFhHk.html

Filipa Martins🇵🇹

I might be wrong but i think kharenkova also done triple L turn.

Tisha Volleman also tried a new element on beam during European qualifications , but sadly took a fall, so the element wasn’t named yet. It’s a salto , but facing sideways.

Yeah and that one I'd love to go to Wevers because of her lovely execution (one can dream haha)

@@tvdsje yes!! Her mid air form is exquisite, actually better than most of the gymnasts who perform the nab

Another reason I hate wolf turns.....almost everyone looks like they fall out of them rather then control their exit.

@@margaretkinnaman8585 exactly! Turns can be so beautiful when executed well. I love watching dance and gymnastics. I danced all growing up and did a bit of gymnastics (unfortunately I was like 15 before gymnastics was available in my area so I couldn’t go too far) and coached gymnastics a bit as an assistant. I’d love to see the beauty that older gymnastics focused on. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE the tricks that defy physics. But I’d love to see some beauty too.

As a dancer it kills me that they don't spot their turns to help them stay balanced

That's why the Russian teams are often better on floor I think,because they have classical dance background and training as well as gymnastics! And watching older videos like Latinina (sp) and Cevlovska are so elegant

@@rosaakanatan This. I think the Russians have more turns on their floor routines to make up for their not as powerful tumblings. Bridget Sloan also mentioned on the coverage that they do the turns beautifully.

you're making all sorts of sense right now 👍

Actually an L Turn is more difficult than a pirouette, because the free leg being held out in front of you pulls your center of balance outward instead of keeping it tight to your core making it more difficult to keep your weight centered over your standing leg and not fall out of the turn.

I wasn't even aware of the E cap on UB transitions. I'd still be against it, but is it for safety reasons? No wonder I haven't seen a Strong since Lori Strong herself did it.

Tumbling and dance elements are equally important in the sport. Therefore, there shouldn't be a cap. Saying a triple l turn and a triple twist aren't equally as hard is irrelevant. When determining a turn's dv, you should be thinking of the turn's difficulty in relative to other turns not tumbling passes....... A regular triple turn should be an e because it's harder than a double or single turn not because it's harder than a double twist..... Between tumbling and turns. There's no basis for comparison. We also have to throw in the fact that many gymnast who can do a triple twist can't do a triple turn. There's need to be a distinction between gymnast who can do high level turns and gymnast who cannot. For example, Simone Biles and Sanne Wevers shouldn't be getting the same points in dance elements. The sport is set up in a way is that there is no noticeable different value between gymnast who can do turns and leaps and gymnast who can not. Obviously, a gymnast whose biggest tumbling pass is a double twist isn't gonna get the same acro points as Simone. Yet, we're supposed to be ok with the fact that a gymnast doing a double turn and a gymnast doing a quadruple turn is only differentiated by .1............... That's not fair. The COP should promote gymnast being equally good at both but with turns and leaps being capped. You just need to be good at tumbling.

Exacto. Simone Biles puede hacer una cuádruple cuádruple y recibir una dificultad de R, T o hasta Z. Pero las gimnastas que hacen giros o leaps con mucha dificultad, tienen un tope. Lo mismo en barras, el Seitz es más difícil que el Shaposh 1/2 pero valen lo mismo. Eso es incoherente. Si lo hacen por seguridad de la gimnasta, los elementos de tumbling deberían tener también un tope en dificultad.

I agree, I was really impressed!

Sanne Wevers implements such stunning moves into her routines. She is the Pirouette Princess on beam.

Those are my favorites also! 😁👍

Arabians don't count as back tumbling in wag?

@@ianstratton1629 no

@@ianstratton1629 No. Men's gymnastics is weird in that Arabian tumbling is considered back tumbling. But in women's gymnastics it's considered front tumbling and valued higher. I think the difference in rules has to do with the fact that in MAG, the skill is determined by the "entry" position - ie if you go in backwards, it's considered back tumbling, whereas in WAG the skill is determined by the position the gymnast is facing after the first salto - ie if you enter the second salto going forwards it's considered front tumbling. It's weird that the rules are different between the two, and to be honest the women's rules make more sense. The difficulty of the Arabian (compared to true back tumbling) is after all the forward momentum and blind landing.

@@captainbryce1 men’s count in entry and women counts in the salto. So nothing weird.

@@captainbryce1 I like the men's rule much more. I mean, gymnasts get the power need to perform an Arabian from the backwards entry, which is more than significant. The double Arabian is just an entirely different skill from the double front and really shouldn't be considered front tumbling, in my opinion. Just because it transforms into a forward-facing skill doesn't mean that it becomes front tumbling.

When I heard she did it, i was like "okay but it must be quite piked" but damn she laid that out

@@anikokoren3417 isnt it gorgeous 😍

@@anikokoren3417 and those toes stayed pointed.

Yeah I was definitely expecting that to be included

Impossible

It’s definitely not impossible. If she really wanted to train the skill to put it on the floor I have no doubt she’d get there.

@@heathrdarling It's not impossible (as we have seen her train it into a pit), but it's highly unlikely that she'd put that in a routine. 1) It's too dangerous and would be devalued by the FIG. She wouldn't risk an injury only to be penalized anyway. 2) She's nowhere near close to landing it upright. Even if she managed to put it to her feet on the mat, she would incur so many deductions that it wouldn't be worth doing. So no, the triple back ain't happening anytime soon (tuck or pike).

@@captainbryce1 oh I totally agree it’s unlikely and not worth the risk. I said it’s not impossible if she wanted to land that skill. She was training it to land the double on vault so she had no reason to go harder to actually land a triple on the pit mat or eventually the floor.

Omg

shady but i agree

There is no "half turn" in the air at all,not even 1/4. They all just let the mixed grip momentum carries them AFTER grasping the bar, which is underwhelming and does not deserve an H.

Ikr, I was expecting a half turn in the air and was already thinking "Woah, if any girl is capable of that she must be the strongest ever". However, I think what is very difficult here is connecting the next skill to the low bar without being thrown away from the apparatus: the Nabieva itself requires a giant amount of strength and the mixed grip at the end seems to be dangerous if the gymnast can't control the rotation.

I think these two new variations deserve exactly the same rating as the existing Nabieva. I don't see the rationale in giving a higher rating for a root entry that gets the same rating in every other scenario (clear hip vs. toe-on handstand, shaposhnikova vs. maloney, etc etc)

@@_padfoot excellent point.

I think maybe they cross their arms before they land?

She didn’t compete it at the Olympics. She did it at the test event in 2016 but not in the actual Olympics

@@nathanielhalls1893 oh okay

Double front pike was named after Brenna Dowell back in 2015.

@@WACoats ah, interesting, thanks

Yes. There is no "half turn" at all. They just let the mixed grip momentum does all the turning AFTER grasping the bar.

And the Def/Hristakieva

Catalina Ponor was playing around with something similar kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qLh3asqgtd2ocmg.html

@@gymnasticsmasterclass I'm surprised Biles hasn't considered getting a skill like this named after her. She has the power to do it.

@@bisharpblade6155 Certainly power wouldn't be an issue for her, but balance of course. Has she ever competed a back twisting element on beam in her junior career maybe?

why?

@@hannibaljustincase9985 it’s relatively easier than the chuso, and the gap between the ftd is really far.

Because it is nonsense it is two tenths higher than the 3.5 twist, only a handful of gymnasts did the 3.5 and basically every elite who is okay on floor does a silivas. For example in Rio, 7 of the 8 finalists did it

@@anikokoren3417 given ftd is an e, 1.5 twisting double should be an f.

@@anikokoren3417 I mean, you're exaggerating when you say "every elite who is okay on floor", and then using the Olympic Floor Finals as your evidence. Like... of course, those are the best in the world on that particular apparatus. I agree with promoting diversity in skills, but in event finals whether it's vault or bars or floor there's ultimately a lot of the same skills repeated. Beam is a tad more diverse this quad given the possibilities with connections.

No, she didn't complete the element sadly I think

I haven't seen it. Is it the front tuck from side stand?

@@gymnasticsmasterclass front toss from side stand i think

@@gymnasticsmasterclass Yeah, like a throw from 1 foot :)

i like suni but lmao no

@@corrinlex1359 you never know

you were right

Which gymnasts are doing a triple front and 3.5 twists?

Just because you can doesn't mean it's easy for everyone else lol... you're being a little egotistic here

@@angelicagymnastics Jake Jarmin (BR) has done the 3.5 both laid out and tucked. Kazuki (JP) has done it tucked. He also has a 2.5 double punch randi. As for Triple front several have worked it but the closest ones are Miguel Zapata (SP) and Nikita Nagornny (RU). Nikita has landed it on level mats but its inconsistent. Nikita is also the one who just landed the triple pike at this comp.

@@bagelized Sorry didn't mean to make it sound that way. I didn't want that to turn into an argument. It's a clearly unpopular opinion.

wat?

@@corrinlex1359 she is not training this element anymore