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You have a point.

Yeah, so why not have an emergency/reserve battery in the car itself.

Just adding more weight to an already very heavy vehicle - or did I miss the whole point of it all?

You have a point!

I do live in an apartment where the owners have voted against installing power outlets in the underground parking. Charging stations are a bit scarce in my area even though EVs are increasing in numbers rapidly. Therefore the few existing charge stations are very competitive and can sometimes be hours before one is available.

I borrowed my mother's Bolt EV to visit one of my friends last week and although the car may start complaining about range quite a while before shutting down, that is of very little consolation on a rural highway where exits are 20-30km in-between, the car itself quits reporting range estimates at 20km left, goes into power-limited mode somewhere around the 10km remaining mark and won't tell you the true shut-off SoC to let you know how close to screwed you really are. When I started on my return trip, I had a charging stop planned 105km in with ~140km of range left. Due to moderate rain and elevation, my ~30km margin melted down to 0 with 25km left until the charger. At that point, it became a bet between being able to find a charger at the next exit staying on course for the planned charging stop. I decided to continue instead of making a who-knows-how-long rural charger hunting detour. On the way up the overpass to the charger, it almost felt like the car was about to quit on me. I understand why some EV drivers would like to have 3kW of spare battery they can stuff in the trunk for road trips in case their car's range estimation has a significant change of opinion along the way. I'll have to increase my trip margin by at least 10% next time I borrow the Bolt.

you will find all the product links in the description.

@@DailyAutomotive again, the LINKS do not link to the actual device.

some of these charger for emergency situation.

​@@DailyAutomotive no, the last one you showed does not have a battery of any kind. It is something completely different. Please take the video down, cut that out and repost.

@weaesq Agree that there is a fundamental difference between a stand-alone EVSE that's plugged into a wall outlet and something that integrates battery storage for portability, and this video doesn't make that distinction clear. But to say that a lithium iron phosphate (LFP) battery doesn't have enough wattage to charge an EV is simply incorrect. Note that electric utilities now regularly use shipping containers full of LFP cells for grid backup at their large scale renewable energy (solar and wind) facilities. An individual LFP cell is nominally rated at 3.2V, while ternary chemistry cells (ie: containing combinations of nickel, manganese and/or cobalt) have cell voltages in the 3.7V range. So, it can be accurately said that LFP is less energy dense on the cell level when compared to other lithium ion chemistries. Want more voltage form any cell chemistry? Wire the cells in series. Want more current draw potential (amperage) at any given voltage? Wire your series strings of cells in parallel. Voltage times Amps, by the way, is Watts. Lots of reason why LFP cell chemistry is being used more often these days. Much of it comes down to durability. It can be cycled down to near zero and back up to brimming full without damage, and has the ability to cycle like this more than other cell chemistries without cell capacity degradation. It's also much safer in regards to the possibility of thermal runaway (ie: fire.) The video also incorrectly states that LFP is a "much newer" chemistry when, in fact, it was among the very first commercially-available lithium-based one developed back in the 1990s. Lot's of reasons why it's only now gaining popularity, but most of that comes down to patents, lawyers and international manufacturing agreements. The short story there is that LFP is now more available internationally than it was just a few years ago and we'll be seeing a lot more of it in the coming years, including inside the traction batteries packs of our electric vehicles. I've owned a small EV (Mitsubishi i-MiEV) for the past 8 years that I use for city driving and charge it exclusively from the 120V outlet located near my front porch. J1772 protocol specifies current flow down to 6A (720W @ 120V) and I have an aftermarket EVSE that allows for this "electron-sipping" setting. None of this, of course, would satisfy a use case where the quickest possible charging speeds and the longest nonstop range are requirement. I plan to utilize a portable LFP power station (battery capacity approximately half of the Ecoflow one shown in the video) with the ability to simultaneous bring in solar PV feed for some "just for fun" 6A off-grid EV charging experiments. The only problem I envision is that the inverters on these commercial LFP battery boxes typically have a floating ground and that an EVSE plugged into them typically won't operate ungrounded. I'll probably have to concoct a cheater plug of some sort, which will allow for a safe yet-to-be-determined separate grounding path.

@@benjaminnead8557 The utilities are using buildings full of batteries to get the power they need from LFP batteries. Nothing about the chemistry - it is probably safer than lithium ion. But that unit is too small to hold a large LFP battery for the power needed to significantly charge an EV car battery - maybe 5 miles for emergency. Better to get a plug in hybrid that has gas backup. Or just get a AAA card and have them tow your battery EV when needed to the charge station. If you are worried about floating ground, buy a copper ground rod and hammer it into earth ground and run a ground wire from it to the charger and attach it somehow (case?) to ground the charger/EV car.

@@weaesq Yes, maybe 5 miles of trickle charging with just the battery in the small power station I've detailed. But it's also able to bring in about 800W of solar simultaneously while discharging. So, that's pretty much an equilibrium for about 6 hours on a sunny day. 3 miles of extra range per hour at 6A/720W is what I'm expecting. 18 miles on such a day would be fine in my book. The power station will serve many day-to-day purposes. It's primary mission is not so much for roadside emergency EV charging. Mostly, I'll bring it along to run efficient electric cooking devices I take on outdoors day trips. But portable EV solar charging is also an interesting thing to show at places such as the science fairs I like to attend. "Significant" is a relative term. But, to clarify, your original observation that that LFP "doesn't really have enough wattage to charge a car" would be proven incorrect by such an experiment. Whether I or anyone else would want to rely on this exclusively every day is another matter. As for proper grounding: yes, the idea you've outlined is along the lines of what I've been thinking.

Thank you! Cheers!

right!

You've made a good point.

They might as well add provision to drive while charging, on off switch in the car so you can enable it while driving

Understandable.

Not only that but if the thing used 18650s it would weigh around 130lbs. That guy in the video was clearly using a dummy product as there’s no way it would be that light and provide the range they claimed.

Mannnn for 20 to 40 miles that should only take 1 minute to charge. They are trippin. We really gotta speed up EV conversion.

@@JessSkubiBut we already *have* sped it up. The non-battery items in this video are for low-speed, "level 2" charging, useful for overnight or "destination" charging. When you're on a road trip, current high-power chargers go as high as 350kW. At that rate (if your car can handle it) you'd recover 20 miles of range in 53 seconds. (Assuming efficiency of 250 Wh/mi.) It's true that your "last miles" won't go as fast -- that's why, when on road trips, EV owners don't charge much more than they need to safely get to the next charger. It's true, though, that on a long trip --- especially if you never use the bathroom -- you'll spend more time charging than you would at a gas station, but many, many EV owners find it's not a deal-breaker. As for home use, where 80-90% of most charging is done, one youtuber says "It takes

Just rented a volve xc60 b5 on a business trip filled and empty tank for $38 It was showing I have 730 range but in reality it gave me 662 miles of range all electric cars are still 3-5 years away from the gas cars range wise plus there's a gas station every 5 miles & your tank is full in 2 to 3 minutes

Well at least charging your car costs nothing anywhere while filling it with gas costs a lot more

You can order them online.

Small engines are hugely polluting, undoes so much of the good an EV achieves

Yeah, that works as well.

What makes the ecoflow attractive?

well i pull a travel trailer with my ev6 kia and i boon dock i have 1k watt solar pannels with the ecoflow delta max pro i can charge my car to full an 10 hrs just sitting in the middle of no where as long as i got sun i just put it in the trunk and no worries i use it as a back up just in case no charging stations around or to pact

@@aliceinchainz3003 Thanks for the reply. Would you be willing to pay a premium if your battery pack offered a 20kW charging power? I'm doing research on this, I appreciate your feedback.

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The links are not direct links and dont show the prices@@DailyAutomotive

@@JobGreguse google haha

Thanks for the visit

You can checkout their official website for purchasing!

Nope!

Emotionally grounded

We didn't make them, but thanks for the suggestion.

Try contacting the manufacturers around your region.

you have just plug it in to your home standard socket to chard=g it.

Nah

Yes available third one

That's amazing!

Huh? Many level 2 home chargers are only $500. Install may costs by an electrician of $1000 on the higher side. A cheaper way is to use the 220v electric dryer outlet with a portable EV level 2 charger (about ($150). You may need a 220v extension cord $50-$75 to go with it. Definitely faster charging with 220v than your 110v outlet.

@weaesq You are telling a tech person who has a son who is an electrical engineer, how much a charger costs. On top of that, I have a background in economics. Oh, one more thing. I just got a special deal on a 220 (240) charger. It was only $1300!!!

@@johncipolletti5611 I am glad your son is an electrical engineer. I am as well. We need more now than ever with all the new electrical technology being introduced. You chould check your post - it says $15K for a home charger.

@weaesq Go check the level 3 charger costs. I did make a mistake. They showed me one for $175,000! I still say you could get a cheep one for $15,000!

Thanks for sharing your thought with us.

How much would you pay for such a system and how many miles would make you happy?

@@FastLiB I am content with minimal miles. I could get by with a solar-powered machine just fine. It's the crapitalist system selling long-range, expensive rubbish from rich idiots that is an issue there. As long as you can pay cash in hand (to charge up) or get 1 hour drive time minimum approx from a battery, I'd switch to electric (if the vehicles were sold cheap enough). If the vehicle was cheap, the battery can be expensive. Why do you ask?

right!

Good thing had its bad side.

No clue. Gotta ask the manufacturers.

@@DailyAutomotive I wrote that in jest, however in saying that, I have seen video of such a set up in an area where recharging was an issue. It shows the hypocrisy of EV's.

When gas cars were first introduced, they had horses around to tow them when they needed it.

@@weaesq Yes, some of those early cars were also steam powered or electric, go figure.

Sorry for the mistakes. We stand corrected.

@@DailyAutomotive Thank you for replying. The topic is an interesting one, please do more like this.

Yes indeed!

Well, understadable, but these are just for any unforseen emergencies.

Thanks for sharing!

A generator with enough kw to charge a car is at minimum 23 grand

Yeah if you got to worry about having gas in back of your car you could get a generac IQ2000

yes yiu can

@@kentrader2489I mean, for emergencies it would work fine to get you to the next charging station

yes!

maybe

Sorry for the inconvenience. We'll update them ASAP.

you can use these charger for emergency situation when every miles count.

You charge the car at your house overnight 99% of the time.

It's usually 20 mins to get a lot more than 20 miles. Besides, how often will you need to use this? You leave your house with a full charge everyday. Do you often travel more than 250 miles a day without a need to stop for 20 minutes?

Should watch a video on how people actually use EVs, some of us rarely use public charging, Vehicles charged in your driveway while you sleep.

Thanks for sharing!

Sorry if you got disappointed because you can't get these for free.

@@DailyAutomotive We are not talking about being free, it is about being more expensive. What a klutz!!

You forgot EV wiper fluid and EV air fresheners who can afford that!

Go on - you are a rich guy if you could afford to buy a Tesla. So your parking lot is too far from your Condo - but you knew that before you brought the Tesla - right? You are also right - paying over $2000 for 10 - 20 miles - and lugging it to the EV every trip - what a load of hassle. Get an ICE - just fill up and go. How nice does that sound!

hahahahaha!

Since you quite often drive 800 to 1000km a day, an EV in 2023 might not be the best option for you. At my age, though, "km per bladder" is more important than km per charge, and the extra time spent on my road trip charging is not that annoying. I've had minimal battery degradation, and there's a lot of data showing my case is not unusual. Battery fires are quite rare (but can be unfortunately dramatic when they *do* occur) and petrol cars ignite vastly more often on a per-vehicle comparison. I work during the day and charge at off-peak rates at night -- maybe someday after I retire I can get solar. A number of studies show less emissions from EV's, even when charged from grids with a substantial fossil fuel component -- the efficiency of energy production is just hugely greater at a power plant vs a car's engine -- and the grid is getting cleaner as time goes by.

For those that have high distance drives on a regular basis a PHEV would make more sense sure. What your missing in your near tirade is a few things. First solar is stored in stationary batteries (PowerWall and the like), then transferred to the EV at night. This is how off grid solar works. OR there is grid tied, where the solar is sold to the grid during the day, and the car and home run/charge from the grid at night. So in both cases at night charging from solar is no problem. No leaving the car at home during the day. As for hours waiting around for the car to charge, ya no... You start the drive with a full battery, a 1000km drive would require maybe two stops of 15 min each. I have a PHEV because I did not want to have this issue, been driving it for nearly a year. Now that I know what I know from direct experience, I wish I had not bothered and just went BEV. My drives of over 300km in one shot are so few and far between that a few 15 min charges here and there would be a minimal burden. Maybe once every second month. I spend near that much time at gas stations. The only place I have issue with BEV is there are not enough charging stations being built quick enough. Now that all the major makers have signed on to Tesla charger standards, my next car will be ICE free!! Canada here btw. Not a stranger to distance drives.

@@justsumdad3185 Sorry but full electric vehicles will never work in this country as we have way to many remote regions and roads that rattle the teeth out of your head . As I stated before round the city they have merit but for anything remote or distance they just don't stack up . I know personally 4 people that have gone the EV way and 3 of them have now purchased a ICE vehicle as well as they have worked out their limitations , around town they drive electric but out on the highway they take the ICE . BTW about the solar I in fact have solar and lithium storage and grid tied and the fact is if I was to want to charge a vehicle off my storage at night I would need an astronomical amount of storage way more than the 20kwh l have and that wouldn't make economic sense

About the only accurate thing he said was not appropriate for 1,000 km, that sounds like a eat sleep drive life. Driving 8 hours at high speed? Eating on the road?

@@rp9674 DIDO work drive in drive out and of course to a tight schedule , try brisbane to Normanton straight through, brisbane to Cooktown, brisbane to Cairns to name a few . Not everyone has the luxury of doddering along to get somewhere , to keep the wheels of big industry turning some people have to do the dirty work.

Understandable, but the emission kinda defies the purpose of an EV.

Lithium mining already hurts yhe nauture who cares? If you really love the earth mercedes w123 with mechanical diesel is the way to go.

Whichever suits you!

In a sense, yeah.

You might think that if you've never driven EVs

They're for emergencies.

Thanks for sharing!

Makes sense I guess.

Thanks a bunch for the suggestions. Noted.

We do not mention price because the price varies from time to time, and region to region.

Don't leave it it alone.

Glad you think so!

not really.

That's really sad :(

Understandable.

We see your point.

not too long, as they won't completely juice up your EV battery. They're more likely for emergencies.

OMG, THEY'RE GOING TO KILL US ALL IN OUR SLEEP !!!!!!!!!!!!!

hahaha! Be cautious with that.

you can take it, but you should aware of water going inside it.

great idea.

Maybe you have a point.

You don't. This is not practical for 99% of users and not really worth the cost. If you don't normally run out of gas there's a good chance you're smart enough to not run out of battery too. 99% of EV owners leave their house with full charge. If traveling there's usually plenty of options available. These chargers do not serve much purpose for majority of users other than some piece of mind. I would rather see EV's update their software to enable an emergency limp mode when the battery drops before a certain amount. Cut power to everything except the essentials and to all wheels except for 1. Limit speed to extend the range enough to get to the nearest charging station.

@@shannoncole6425 And why would anyone listen to someone who writes "Piece of mind" Instead of "Peace of mind"? I guess you only use a piece of your mind. EV charging stations are fewer and further apart than ICE refueling stations and many ICE vehicles can travel 800kl or more on one tank.

@@sidecarmisanthrope5927 wow, you found a typo. I guess that completely negates the point of the reply.

@@shannoncole6425 "Typo"? Okay, you keep telling yourself that. However I did address the problem of running out of power with an EV. Perhaps you missed that part.

Thanks for sharing.

Nor really. It's not supposed to fully charge your car. It's supposed to give you that extra mile in case of any emergency.

thanks for sharing.

Maybe.

Well, understadable, but these are just for any unforseen emergencies.

Sorry if you felt that way.

How else you're gonna charge your "EV" during emergencies? Adding up a wind turbine doesn't sound very appealing.

I am not sure if you are angry or accepting the facts. When I travel to distant lands that I know I may have difficulty reaching a gas station in time due to the time of day I am travelling or the season. I carry a can of gas for my vehicle. I have done this for years and used it from time to time. So if I had a battery powered car that I had concerns with I would take an Oopsie battery with me just in case. When buying I would just ensure I could connect it and use the power immediately vs BSing around with charging the main battery@@DailyAutomotive. One can make solutions or little red hen it.

The pollution from small engines is so high that it negates the positive impact of an EV.

What made you think so?

Ah... Now, what can we say about that? We don't make or sell them.

Nothing is perfect and without its negetive side. But that too is very rare case.

tbh, it depends on the consumer.

Ridiculously good

Thanks for sharing.

okay. thanks for sharing.

If you see an emergency as a joke.

We don't make or sell any of them. Sorry if by any chance you felt that way.

Thanks for sharing.

thanks for sharing.

@@DailyAutomotive no need to thank me I’m just stating the obvious.

It's all about how we utilize them. For example, if you just throw your old battery, that's not gonna change things anyways.