5 Worst NFL Stadium Locations, where they should go instead

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11 ай бұрын

It’s rare to find an MLB ballpark or NBA arena that isn’t in a walkable location near the city center but NFL stadiums are an entirely different story. Why is that?
Do NFL stadiums belong in the city or out in the suburbs?
Which Cities and NFL teams have the worst stadiums in terms of walkability, bikeability and access to public transit?
What will the next generation of NFL Stadiums bring to new urbanism?
Let’s look at the 5 NFL stadiums with the absolute worst location and where they should have gone instead!
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@goldenstarmusic1689 11 ай бұрын

Awesome Minneapolis mention! Yeah, all of our major league stadiums are in prime urban areas along the LRT corridor, even the most recently built Allianz Field is still along the Green Line with TOD plans to infill its surface parking lots! We've built a culture of public transit ridership to sports games thanks to this. It makes a huge difference.

@cities4ppl 11 ай бұрын

I’m waiting til I am more confident in my video making abilities before I feature Minneapolis. Criminally underrated!

@offbrandurbanism 11 ай бұрын

Hey I love your videos, especially this one. Taking notes on gow you do voice work, really good! What is your audio setup? Also God Levi's is weird. It'd be one thing if SF built massive housing on the Candlestick site but, they didn’t? And as you pointed out, Levi's isn’t impressive. Love to chat sometime!

@cities4ppl 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. I use a blue yeti x mic and record in my closet lol. Hit me up on Twitter or Reddit!

@GriffenDoesIt 11 ай бұрын

It always blows my mind how bad US stadiums' land usage is compared to the MASSIVE tax breaks they get to be constructed. NFL has got to be the worst offender. Y'all really need a giant blacktop for tailgates a few weeks out of the year that sits totally vacant the rest of the time????

@cities4ppl 11 ай бұрын

Sadly agree and sadly this applies to almost everything, not just stadiums. It’s exceedingly rare for a city to execute anything very well.

@manuelgrothe608 11 ай бұрын

0:51 it’s Fort Lauderdale or Downtown Miami for the Miami Dolphins

@cities4ppl 11 ай бұрын

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@manuelgrothe608 11 ай бұрын

2:11 I vote Downtown Phoenix, Arizona right under Chase Bank Field

@cities4ppl 11 ай бұрын

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@rmac1177 11 ай бұрын

sweet video

@cities4ppl 11 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@saxmanb777 11 ай бұрын

You forgot Cowboy Stadium. Jerry Jones literally tried to get the city of Irving to drop out of DART, the transit agency to instead build him a new stadium. Naturally they told him to pound sand. But Arlington took him with open hands and lots of their tax dollars. Still gotta shell out quite a bit of money just to park.

@cities4ppl 11 ай бұрын

I considered the cowboys with ATT stadium but The “Dallas” Cowboys have not played in Dallas since the 60s. The cowboys aren’t really associated with Dallas, weirdly. They are more associated with the entire state of Texas. But of course you’re right, could have easily made this list.

@Knightmessenger 11 ай бұрын

A good case study is the Detroit Lions. They went from sharing Tiger Stadium (in a neighborhood like Wrigley Field) to giant parking lot surrounding the Pontiac Silverdome, nowehere near the actual downtown Pontiac. And in 2002, the Lions moved back to Detroit proper with Ford Field located in the downtown area. If you want to see what a difference location can make, compare the Silverdome to Ford Field.

@cities4ppl 11 ай бұрын

Yeah Ford Field next to Comerica is a nice setup for downtown Detroit.

@ecstasycalculus 11 ай бұрын

Thing is, teams don't want fans taking public transportation to the stadium. They want to make money off the tailgaters, and sometimes that means building a stadium in a remote area with a sprawling parking lot.

@cities4ppl 11 ай бұрын

Valid point. So then why don’t all teams have their stadiums in a remote area?

@ecstasycalculus 11 ай бұрын

@cities4ppl Higher property values if the stadium is close to, for example, a shopping district. In some cases, like NY and LA, the property values are high everywhere so they can get away with building the stadium well outside the city center. On the other hand, a city like Detroit whose property values are so low, they needed to have a downtown stadium. The Pontiac Silverdome wasn't going to work out because the property values didn't justify being in suburban Oakland County.

@cities4ppl 11 ай бұрын

I follow however it doesn’t apply to all cities and stadiums. Let’s not forget that most/all stadiums are publicly funded. It’s an interesting conversation with many variables. Anything is better than the “multipurpose” stadiums they used to build.

@Knightmessenger 11 ай бұрын

@cities4ppl sometimes the economic benefits promoted of a new stadium is that it will help the city. That was certainly the argument made for the downtown stadiums in Detroit. And while it's obviously better to have the Lions and Pistons in Detroit than not at all, Dan Gilbert did more for downtown Detroit development (with Bedrock) than the stadiums did.

@manuelgrothe608 11 ай бұрын

3:03 The 49ers should go to San Jose instead of Santa Clara

@cities4ppl 11 ай бұрын

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@sebastianjoseph2828 11 ай бұрын

Not a fan of your DC stadium location suggestion. That bit of forest's a good bit of parkland for residents of SE DC. Taking it to build more stadiums to appeal to upper class outta-towners is not going to be a good look. And the intersection nearby is cluttered. If not at RFK Stadium, it should stay where it is contingent on the team paying for a Purple Line expansion (or other light rail) connecting Morgan Blvd to New Carrollton. Urban stadiums are best built on former industrial spots that are historically close to downtown, transit, and neighborhoods. For having a okay-bad transit system, Baltimore does this really well in my opinion with its NFL and MLB stadiums. Right on the LR line, near the train station (with poor commuter hours right now but at least there's potential to improve), but also near the highway spur so drivers can get there without disrupting the city streets. The only other spots I can think of near DC, near both metro and major road access, would be near the Pentagon on its lots (never gonna happen), the Post Office facility by RI Ave, or the industrial space between Cheverly and Deanwood metro. None of those are really worth it I believe.

@cities4ppl 11 ай бұрын

DC is definitely challenging but Nationals Park is a good example to follow. Looks like there is some momentum for updating RFK - a serious no brainer. Appreciate your feedback.

@sebastianjoseph2828 11 ай бұрын

@@cities4ppl Much appreciated for the discussion! Regarding Nats Park/Audi Field and Navy Yard, yes that was overall a good way to revitalize the area (I'd like more rent control assurances to ensure longtime residents don't get outpriced, but that's an issue with DC in general). The best non-RFK solution may have been to build Audi Field as a combined soccer and football stadium for better land use. But that time is past and the area doesn't need 3 stadiums. Eagerly awaiting more videos on MD/DC. It's slow going but there's lots to be excited for regarding WMATA, the Purple Line, TOD around MARC stations, and rail lines in Baltimore.

@cities4ppl 10 ай бұрын

I really like DC. I just featured a street in DC in my most recent video I just posted. Let me know what you think!

@manuelgrothe608 11 ай бұрын

4:07 the new Stadium location at RFK Stadium stands in Washington, DC/MD

@cities4ppl 11 ай бұрын

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@manuelgrothe608 11 ай бұрын

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@1981menso 11 ай бұрын

I lived in Phoenix and downtown is a joke, they should have built the stadium there not out in the boonies. Phoenix needs to do a lot of in-fill in the city center and stop with the sprawl.

@cities4ppl 11 ай бұрын

Alright wait a second, where haven’t you lived?

@1981menso 11 ай бұрын

@@cities4ppl Lol, just three places.

@jazzcatjohn 11 ай бұрын

I lived in Pheonix in 87-88. It's not much different now than it was then. Sad!

@hamburglar83 10 ай бұрын

Arlington heights is off train access. And we have 7 million people in the suburbs vs 2.6 in the city. Soldier field is owned by the city so it’s not an option. It’s not like the rest on this list just purely because of the major highways and train and buses that service the area. You forgot other burb locations like patriots/cowboys/??? Shit greenbay is on avg 3-4 hr drive for their fans.

@cities4ppl 10 ай бұрын

You’re not wrong about a lot of this but the reason why I didn’t include those other stadiums are; The Cowboys haven’t played in Dallas since the 60s. Boston is tiny and the most expensive city in America so NFL stadium just doesn’t make sense. Similar thing can be said for NY Jets/Giants. Lambeau is in the “core” of Green Bay.

@hamburglar83 10 ай бұрын

Core of a city of 140k….i guess location only matters if fans get a good experience. Soldier field was pretty but far from any cool bar neighborhood and Chicago made it impossible to tailgate. Arlington heights gets us back to Midwest roots and a huge fan experience like greenbay and New England have. Some teams need city location …i dont think bears do

@StLouis-yu9iz 11 ай бұрын

I saw the drone footage you included of it, but K.C. DEFINITELY should have made this list! There is nothing but car-centric hell around it. :/

@cities4ppl 11 ай бұрын

I didn’t add KC because their fans actually show up and seem to somehow enjoy where the stadium is. Same with the Bills.

@CNSPORTZEDITZ 11 ай бұрын

@@cities4pplI’m a Bills fan and I wish they would build our new stadium in downtown or somewhere relatively close to the city centre. When they open the new stadium, a rail system should be built that easily connects the Bills Stadium (and Orchard Park) to Buffalo and they should build nearby bars and restaurants alongside roads at the stadium to make it more appealing to visitors. (Not like the Patriots mall but more-so like a town square)

@Knightmessenger 11 ай бұрын

To be fair, those stadiums opened in the 1960s when putting a stadium downtown wasn't a major sticking point. The people who do that in 2023 are just failing to learn from 50 years.

@cities4ppl 11 ай бұрын

Haha of course not like the Patriots!

@cities4ppl 11 ай бұрын

Exactly - that’s why Levi’s stadium, State Farm and “Arlington park” is not acceptable imo. Recently built in boring and hard to get to locations.

@joshfriedman7099 11 ай бұрын

I've been to FedEX Field. The only way to get there is by car, really. The stadium is also falling apart. They discussed building the new stadium in Woodbridge and Loudon County in Virginia, which are both 20 miles away from downtown. I don't like either of those options.

@cities4ppl 11 ай бұрын

Tough time to be a football fan in DC. They have a great example in the Nationals Park to copy.

@Knightmessenger 11 ай бұрын

Seems idiotic not to use the site of RFK stadium.

@joshfriedman7099 11 ай бұрын

@@Knightmessenger yeah, but I feel like you’d be kicking out poor people. It’ll probably happen anyway, because this is DC, but it’s still kinda effed up

@sebastianjoseph2828 11 ай бұрын

@@joshfriedman7099 If they build it right where RFK is, it'd work. Build dense apartments on top of the parking lots (besides the one used for festivals). Realistically there should be a garage. But overall it could be built without pricing out current residents if the mayor wants.

@miketravels 11 ай бұрын

I doubt there are many, if any, Bears fans from the city that go to Bears games.

@cities4ppl 11 ай бұрын

Moving to Arlington Heights would ensure they never do.

@fernandoalvarez9613 11 ай бұрын

Levi's as an embarrassment. It's an insult to the fans with half the stadium being dedicated to luxury boxes, the seats aren't covered, and the location is horrible.

@cities4ppl 11 ай бұрын

It’s my least favorite stadium by far. I could see a franchise like the jaguars or browns building something like Levi’s stadium, but the 49ers? Shameful.

@fernandoalvarez9613 11 ай бұрын

@@cities4ppl the I wear hip group is just a bunch of old money California libertarian finance bros. They get a free pass as horrible owners because the team actually does well on the field. But they treat the fan base so horribly. I stopped watching NFL games altogether as a result.

@jlpack62 11 ай бұрын

Been to Hard Rock. It's certainly not an ideal location.

@cities4ppl 11 ай бұрын

Miami is a tough city to execute a large development but gotta do better than this.

@agustinorduno1326 11 ай бұрын

Actually the bears nrw stadium is simple. Th majority of the fans are people who have money and live in the north. They will probably have a huge parking lot. Plus they will avoid Lakeshore and i 94 traffic hours. I remember how my bosses always used to complain about driving to Chicago on game day.

@cities4ppl 11 ай бұрын

A but of an over simplified way of looking at it. There’s no denying that the Northside is more appealing to the Bears owners. More so just sad that the Bears and Chicago can’t come to an agreement to keep them in Chicago.