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bigclivedotcom

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Күн бұрын

This is a fairly common item on eBay. The fact it's on eBay does mean it may be a dumpster product, but it's a good indication of what is available from better quality sources.
The electrical spec for this seems a bit zealous, especially when you see what's inside it. I think I'll give passing mains through this a miss. Even the 2A contact rating seems a bit generous.
But the construction actually turned out to be surprisingly good. Not just with two bearings, but a very clean construction with the rings also acting as guides for the sliding contacts.
For beefier applications AliExpress has some very rugged looking slip ring assemblies with carbon brushes and chunky brass rings.
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@kredal
@kredal Жыл бұрын
We use them to bring power from the body to the dome in R2-style droids. Generally double up the wires for 12v and ground, and drop the voltage to 5v for LEDs and such in the dome, to reduce the current across the slip ring as much as possible. Thanks for taking one apart!
@AdricM
@AdricM Жыл бұрын
I was going to suggest to double up on wires for most things. ive pulled them out of older VHS players as handy slip connections for projects but those are getting to be rare these days.
@1kreature
@1kreature Жыл бұрын
How can dropping the voltage reduce current? Lower voltage does however reduce the pitting if sparking occurs.
@sarathai2876
@sarathai2876 Жыл бұрын
I would like to see your Droid
@oilybrakes
@oilybrakes Жыл бұрын
@@1kreature I = U/R, I'd assume. R can't be modified, so all we can reliably change is U. There is no other choice.
@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489
@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489 Жыл бұрын
​@@1kreature less flow through same space is less flow. If you're starting from 0 and you only need 5, why stress the part to 12? Bigger question to me is why would you pass higher power through it instead of have the power source in the same container, and run everything else through the ring.
@swake1822
@swake1822 Жыл бұрын
Hey Clive great video, the business i work for in the UK sells a lot of high quality slip rings for industrial use so I might be able to give your readers a little insight into some of the other uses for them. A common use for one of these is in the rotating head of the flow wrapper system that packages sealed plastic wrappers, chocolate bars, crisps etc. The head in these systems rotates very quickly and has high voltage to feed the hot cutter that crimps and separates. The slip ring you had here looks like it would last 5 minuts in an industrial environment, but inside the theory is very similar, this is what we'd call a capsule slip ring and we do sell others that come in 2 parts where the brushes and rings are separate entities. There are indeed slip rings that are good enough for multiple streams of hd video and the best of these units would be present in a lot of radar dish assemblies, missile trackers, satellite solar panel control etc. There are nice beefy slip rings in a lot of places, wind turbines, helicopter propellors, mri machines. The price differential for the hobbisty stuff like you showed and some of the commercial application ones though are mind blowingly high. If you'd be interested in having a look at some of the higher end equipment I think we'd probably be able to arrange that.
@dosgos
@dosgos Жыл бұрын
Interesting post! Send Clive some bits... Slip rings have so many uses and I think they would be more common with general education reminders.
@TheChipmunk2008
@TheChipmunk2008 Жыл бұрын
I do hope Clive takes you up on that offer, it would be interesting to see the similarities and differences!
@swake1822
@swake1822 Жыл бұрын
@@dosgos There are also similar roatary unions for fibre optics (look up FORJ) and rotational fittings for high pressure liquids and gas.
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 Жыл бұрын
I used to do repairs on dance-club sound systems; occasionally I'd be asked to fix lighting effects that rotated in multiple directions (often Italian-made, ugh) with two or three motors, which I hated working on. The slip-ring assemblies were usually pretty beefy, often having to pass 120 volt mains (US) for the synchronous motors and lighting a bunch of 12 or 24 volt headlight style par-lamps wired in series. When a lamp went out, the disassembly procedure was often arduous and tedious, and finding the dead bulb(s), or a wiring fault,, was a royal pain.
@luclepore5819
@luclepore5819 Жыл бұрын
Clive’s community is untouchable! Great info! I am now really into slip rings lmaoo
@pi6706
@pi6706 Жыл бұрын
I always remember being amazed my my mums Clairol heated hair brush as you could rotate the cord or spin the brush around on its cord without the cord getting tangled. This was back in the 80’s but I noticed that the design was kept the same for over 2 decades so must have proven to be safe & reliable.
@alexlail7481
@alexlail7481 Жыл бұрын
If it was like my mother's curling iron (that she had from late 70s well into the 90s) they used what was essentially a very slightly modified RCA jack/plug. The the cord had a molded hard plastic ring slightly smaller than the handle that fit into a cavity in each ½ of the handle shell to retain it and allow it to rotate. If the dimensions were any different than a true RCA plug I would be surprised. I was shocked that it worked as well as it did.
@TheChipmunk2008
@TheChipmunk2008 Жыл бұрын
@@alexlail7481 Modern cordless kettles in 240v land use a connector that looks like a triaxial PL259
@alexlail7481
@alexlail7481 Жыл бұрын
@@TheChipmunk2008 okay... that's not a product I envisioned needing the ability to rotate freely and frequently but cool. BTW we also have and use 240v in the USA, albeit at 60Hz
@straightpipediesel
@straightpipediesel Жыл бұрын
@@TheChipmunk2008 Same design in the US as well.
@TheChipmunk2008
@TheChipmunk2008 Жыл бұрын
@@alexlail7481 Yep used to work in the US. The thing there is not the rotation during use (that actually can cause huge damage) but the ability to put the thing down in any orientation
@chuckoneill2023
@chuckoneill2023 Жыл бұрын
A couple of my old projects, I used an audio plug as a slip ring -- obviously only usable for a low speed/low current application, but nice and cheap for a costume accessory.
@etienneguyot9069
@etienneguyot9069 Жыл бұрын
Hi, Clive. Nice dismantling. In my job, we use several rotary joins on radars : they have to sustain an enormous amount of turns (around 50M), but not at a high speed (15rpm max). Some uses as much as 21 slip-rings (some of them connected in parallel to improve current when required). They are not coated with gold, but gold is an important part of the alloy used to make them as well as the brushes... The groves are lubricated with a very special oil. Quite expensive when we need to refurbish them every 4 or 5 years!
@Calliber50
@Calliber50 Жыл бұрын
Rotate and radiate. 🤣
@DasIllu
@DasIllu Жыл бұрын
I guess the actual RF Power goes through a wave guide in the center then?
@etienneguyot9069
@etienneguyot9069 Жыл бұрын
@@DasIllu, you're right. 2WG and 5 coaxial channels. Slip rings are only for AC/DC signal and power.
@Daan87423
@Daan87423 Ай бұрын
Interesting! What type of lube is used?
@Whatiwantedwastaken
@Whatiwantedwastaken Жыл бұрын
We don’t buy them from eBay but we use slip rings for geophysical winches. These are used to lower measurement tools down drill holes. The winch drum will have (literally) miles of wire rope on it that holds the weight of the equipment and has with conductors up the middle to carry both power and data. Happy to try and find you some (small) junk to pull apart. Our slip rings cope with hundreds and even thousands of volts (to overcome the long skinny power wires)
@JoshEaton
@JoshEaton Жыл бұрын
For Oceanographic research we use a similar arrangement. We also use fiber optic rotary joints for high bandwidth applications. Single pass FORJs are easy to understand, but Multi-pass work via magic.
@Whatiwantedwastaken
@Whatiwantedwastaken Жыл бұрын
@@JoshEaton I expect there is probably optic fibre being used in geophysics too but thankfully I’ve not had to deal with it. Fun enough making a termination strong enough to hold a tonne whilst keeping the conductors waterproof.
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 Жыл бұрын
​@@JoshEaton, Fiber optic rotary joints! I had never heard of that being done but I can see why it would be very useful. The alignment of the ends of the fibers must be very critical; or perhaps it's filled with an optical gel as well, or encased in a vacuum?
@JoshEaton
@JoshEaton Жыл бұрын
@@goodun2974 FORJ are typically sealed but not necessarily under vacuum. The alignment is critical, although the use of an expanded beam lens reduces the tolerances a bit. Most Multi-pass units use a prism rotating at half the speed of the rotor.
@richardhemingway6084
@richardhemingway6084 Жыл бұрын
This type of slip ring was used on a clearance dredger I worked on. It transferred data from the crane position, to the ship's bridge, for computer monitoring. It allowed the crane (which was independently powered by diesel) to turn 360 degrees. It worked well, until someone doing maintenance under the crane pedestal, banged their head on it and smashed it. A later modification used a WiFi system instead.
@miketrissel5494
@miketrissel5494 Жыл бұрын
Nice Video Clive. The last place I worked they had mercury whetted slip rings. I ran into a problem with one of 50 of their machines, realized it was the slip rings and was told in no certain terms that I was wrong - one had never been bad in 25 years. They were computer signal wires, that perplexed me as to how a sensitive signal that went to an analog input of a microprocessor. Went against management, and pulled it anyway - buried in the heart of the machine. Found that a mechanic crow-barred a bearing off below it, cracked the plastic, and the mercury leaked out. After it fixed the problem, every call they got turned into a change the slip rings call. 🙄 Managers🙄 Place I worked before that had a run-in rack (Burn in brush seater) for 'sweeper' motors (Hoover). They put 51 motors in a merry-go-round, using a 17 neutral rings for the 3 phase 4 wire 110 volt system. 51 power + 17 neutral = 68 rings / wires in a single center pipe) Each pulled 9 amps. These all fed from the floor thru a center pipe / slip ring array. They came out with a new, more powerful 14.5 amp motor, and I told them, "Too much total current for them all to run up that 2.5" center pipe - it will overheat." The pipe was already so hot that in had melted the plastic top cap to keep fingers out. "NOPE! You're wrong ... the 3 phase current will cancel out in the pipe!" Got a call that night ... melted the whole stack. Spent 16-1/2 hours rewiring it with all Teflon wire. Did it's sister rack, 2 days later ... 14-1/2 hours. I guess there must be a heat coefficient ... especially when all the wires come up through the center, and then go down the outside to slip rings, that are spaced 1" apart, so there is a 5' difference in length difference in the current cancelling, magnetic flux around the pipe, between the shortest and longest. The only good thing is, they got me outta' bed, I didn't bring a lunch, and they refused to say over the phone why they needed me - so they brought me pizza, and sat it beside me to work😛
@patchvonbraun
@patchvonbraun 5 ай бұрын
The most gorgeous slip-ring that I ever laid my eyes on was on a project several years ago to restore an 18m satellite dish built in the late 1950s. Signals and power (lots of power) were brought across the azimith-axis interface with a 32-channel slip-ring where the rings were solid brass, with phenolic separator sheets. The contacts were brass rollers that rode the brass rings. It was a lovely, lovely piece of old-world engineering....
@tomg721
@tomg721 Жыл бұрын
Our vacuum cleaner handle has a larger version of this to pass power to the powered beater brush. Have had to open up and clean contacts over the years when operation has been intermittant. Thanks for the detailed breakdown Big Clive
@ZaphodHarkonnen
@ZaphodHarkonnen Жыл бұрын
Worth noting that for a lot of the ‘bans’ on heavy metals are for devices intended for consumer use or otherwise mass production. Where you will end up with lots of the unhealthy material in the general environment. With exemptions for situations where there is no other option to meet performance requirements and the usage is so small or limited that it isn’t that much of a danger at a social level. For a related example you have the EU requirement for many devices to use USB-C or USB-C with USB PD. That only applies to a large number of consumer devices but will not cover many more specialised devices. Another example is how you can still buy leaded solder for personal use but it’s banned for commercial production use. Complete difference in scale of damage risk.
@agurdel
@agurdel Жыл бұрын
I used to play with mercury as a kid. I had (and still have somewhere in a box) a C64 when I was young. Included was a joystick without a base. Just the handle with a cable coming out of it. No buttons or switches except the fire button. 20 years later I decided to open it. Inside was a small PCB with 4 miniature mercury switches. Each quite small and angled in one axis to act as a simple tilt switch. tbh... except the novelty aspect of having mercury switches in a toy the joystick was quite shit
@psirvent8
@psirvent8 Жыл бұрын
@TwistedMentat Yeah, here in France it's still possible for private individuals to get lead based solder, heck even NiCad batteries ! Some drain cleaners however, not anymore ! Why ? Because of stupid laws !
@Hewitt_himself
@Hewitt_himself Жыл бұрын
@@psirvent8 NiCad is still used quite a lot out side the EU in toy battery packs as being more stable than lithium less risk of it injuring a child
@psirvent8
@psirvent8 Жыл бұрын
@@Hewitt_himself I don't think so, at least not for new toys. Didn't you mean NiMh instead ?🤔 As far as I'm concerned, NiCad batteries have been out of physical stores since maybe 15 years ago, and stuff like power tools and cordless landlne phones always come with either NiMh or Li-ion battery packs for the former and NiMh cells for the latter. I've even seen many years back ago articles about the ban of NiCad batteries for ordinary consumers, yet you can still find them on reputable websites. They don't ask for an ID or a company registration number or any of that business, unlike chemical suppliers whenever a listed chemical is involved (Potassium permanganate, boric, sulfuric and nitric acids, borax, hydrogen peroxide above a certain percentage and so on...)
@Ghlargh
@Ghlargh Жыл бұрын
I had a machine (privately owned by a hobby club unfortunately) that had these mercury slip rings for power transfer, they were worn out and i looked at replacing them. According to the manufacturer who still makes them 60 years down the line they are by EU law only available: 1. as a replacement for existing machinery and 2. only to business customers of course. I bought the exact ones Clive shows off here and they really do seem to work pretty well, i never had the chance to see how they work over time though since the hobby room where the machine stood was closed down.
@TheSpatialTheory
@TheSpatialTheory Жыл бұрын
My grandfather used to manage the slip ring factory in New Jersey (5th Dimension). Gold rings bonded with lasers and tiny balls of iridium. Used for D4s
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 Жыл бұрын
"Slip Kid, Slip Kid, second generation/ I was a *solderer* [sic] at 13/ Slip Kid, Slip Kid, realization/ there's no easy way to be free/ no easy way to be free...." paraphrasing from the Who
@Alan_AB
@Alan_AB Жыл бұрын
This device would have a multitude of applications for model railroaders and diorama builders. Railroad turntables, fairground carousels. etc. Thanks for sharing. Brilliant video Clive.
@sidnzrael2433
@sidnzrael2433 Жыл бұрын
Have used above Slip Ring in a Model Railway Turntable very successfully. DCC working perfectly. With a quality Gear Motor, Gear Box with a Worm Gear (acts as a brake when stationery) turning a Quality Pulley Wheel (with industrial rubber belt fitted to it) making contact to a larger Platter (with industrial rubber belt fitted to it & mounted to the TT Shaft). Both Rubber surfaces making contact (no slipping) and therefore no noise transfer makes for super quiet operation. Have mounted the whole Gear Motor (DCC Decoder controlled) & Gear Box to a Swinging Mounting with the Pivot Point using a press fitted Bearing with a Spring keeping tension to the Large Platter. This giving a clutch-like feature. Have had much interest as to how it works, given its all been built inside of a display box, wall power, Transformer with fuse, Digitrax Unit etc out of sight...
@thedman1696
@thedman1696 Жыл бұрын
Use them all the time in the hobby of modelling fairground rides. Gets 12v power across articulating parts just fine. More useful are the "hole" kind, wider and donut shaped, which fit around an active drive shaft
@zajlord2930
@zajlord2930 Жыл бұрын
omg im stupid. just yesterday i started thinking about how this could work and till now i couldnt for the life of me figure out how it could work... but the timing of this vid was perfect
@RandomGrinch
@RandomGrinch Жыл бұрын
Thank you Clive. I've used these to fully mechanise and light an Airfix dockside crane, controlled wirelessly from a DCC controller. 😀
@davidpooley4167
@davidpooley4167 Жыл бұрын
I was expecting pogo pins inside to maintain a constant pressure against the core. Interesting teardown. Thanks Clive!
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын
I expected springy contact blades stamped out of flat spring steel and electroplated with a more durable material .
@bill_and_amanda
@bill_and_amanda Жыл бұрын
Since I was a child I've wondered how electricity was transmitted through a rotating joint. This is awesome, thank you!
@Derek_Garnham
@Derek_Garnham Жыл бұрын
it's always awesome
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 Жыл бұрын
Ever see or hear a rotating Leslie speaker, the type often used with (electronic) church organs and occasionally by guitar players? (SRV did). The low frequency speaker typically doesn't rotate and instead has a slotted baffle enclosure around it ( a "cheesewheel") that rotates, and so sliprings arent generally necessary for that, but if the speaker cabinet contains high frequency horns that rotate, the audio signal to the horns would have to pass through sliprings. (A Hammond B3 organ through a Leslie speaker, in the hands of someone who really knows how to work it, is a massive wall of sound that'll just about make you levitate).
@jeffdayman8183
@jeffdayman8183 Жыл бұрын
This type of slip ring was used in an industrial product I worked on a few years ago. We life-tested several to determine service life as the manufacturer was a bit vague about that. The life was quite long, multiple hundreds of millions of revolutions at the rated max speed (a few hundred rpm) passing 250 mA. Afterward they were tested at thousands of rpm to evaluate the abuse case and contacts life was better than expected. Problems did arise though in mechanical damage to bearings and plastic parts over time at higher than rated max speed , mostly due to imbalance and creep of the plastic parts. I'd have no hesitation using them for rated speed or lower speed operation at rated current - but low voltage only - not line voltage. BTW as of a few years ago I understand mercury slip rings are still used for very high current applications in shipboard cranes inside the slew rings. Cheers!
@plymouthrovadventures.646
@plymouthrovadventures.646 Жыл бұрын
Hi Clive. I made my own tether winder for my ROV using one of these. And yes its only signal only that I use. Interesting to see the guts of one. Very simple. Thanks.
@swp466
@swp466 Жыл бұрын
Where I work, we use tons of slip rings for various things. In fact, we have some fiber optic sliprings for data. That is a teardown I'd love to see.
@myself248
@myself248 Жыл бұрын
I've seen a single fiber run straight down the middle of a rotary joint, but when you say slip-rings, are you implying multiple fibers? Now I'm intrigued.
@swp466
@swp466 Жыл бұрын
@@myself248No -- that's what I mean also. It's a combination electrical slip ring with a fiber in the center. I should have been more clear.
@UpLateGeek
@UpLateGeek Жыл бұрын
I haven't had a requirement for these kind of slip rings, but I did finally get around to buying some teflon coated wire, and I really like it. Obviously not as easy to strip as the regular PVC coated wire, but it's nice when it doesn't melt back when you tin the ends of the wire.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын
Beware thar Teflon is a PFAS with associated dangers .
@jmcbike
@jmcbike Жыл бұрын
I have the same one on my weather vane project. I have an Arduino Pro Mini inside the rotatable 3D printed weather vane body, a propeller on one end, a MLX90316KDC-BDG rotary hall direction encoder in the middle, and a tail fin at the back. The Arduino processes the data and comes out via serial RS-485 through the slip rings to an indoor LCD display. The slip rings have been working fine for a few years now. Nice to see how the slip rings work inside, thanks.
@frazermountford
@frazermountford Жыл бұрын
At school in the 90s i made my own slip ring for a wind turbine using lathe machined nylon with copper brushes for 2 terminals
@pauljs75
@pauljs75 Жыл бұрын
Looks like a neat parts-bin bit for RC stuff like robots and scale vehicles with various turrets as well as giving a bit more freedom of movement to FPV cameras. Nothing where you'd put much current through though, given that gauge.
@szsenyuk8887
@szsenyuk8887 Жыл бұрын
All of the cctv rotators I've worked with send the signals for cameras through these with no problems. Are also available with more than 6 connections, have some with20 plus.
@Ubya_
@Ubya_ Жыл бұрын
I've been looking for a video capable slip ring to make a custom camera "rig". I literally can't find any (well i only found 1 manufacturer), do you know if they have a specific name?
@denisohbrien
@denisohbrien Жыл бұрын
If you don't actually need constant rotation but do need 360deg coverage automotive airbag " clock springs" are an option.
@mrfrenzy.
@mrfrenzy. Жыл бұрын
@@Ubya_ just send Ethernet over the slip ring, this thing probably works fine for 100 Mbit.
@Aitch-Two-Oh
@Aitch-Two-Oh Жыл бұрын
Modern cameras are generally ip connection. That is power over Ethernet, or Ethernet and separate power. Effectively only 6 connections needed, Tx pair, Rx pair, DC +, DC -.
@Ubya_
@Ubya_ Жыл бұрын
@@mrfrenzy. i'm using hdmi since it is a rig for a normal camera
@gregorythomas333
@gregorythomas333 Жыл бұрын
Might be fun to get a few of these to test different uses like low power or data or something.
@piconano
@piconano Жыл бұрын
Yesterday, I was thinking "Hope BC takes apart a slip-ring", and here we are! How odd is that?! If I had known what I think could come true, I would've thought about having a million bucks.
@scottb721
@scottb721 Жыл бұрын
Slip rings were used in the F-111 and C-130 artificial horizons (ADI) when I repaired those in the '90s. They would feed the pitch and yaw motors that were inside the spheres.
@Loreroth
@Loreroth Жыл бұрын
I remember taking apart a vcr when I was younger and when taking apart the spining head, was fascinated to discover not a brushed slipring, as I had presumed, but a contactless one. It used a series of flat concentric coils on each half to couple the signal from the magnetic pickups from the fast spinning head to the fixed body of the machine. Quite a eye opener to me at the time.
@ericwazhung
@ericwazhung Жыл бұрын
Heh... I took apart my fair share of VCRs and only learned how those inductive rings worked some 20+yr later. amazing, really... such tiny signals!
@peterjameson321
@peterjameson321 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this interesting video BC. In the past, I've used stereo jack plugs and sockets for low voltage low current rotary connections.
@timpullen4941
@timpullen4941 Жыл бұрын
Hammond organs are often connected Leslie speakers that have rotating speakers. Leslie speakers units use Mercotac bearings which contact the amplifier to the revolving speakers.
@porticojunction
@porticojunction Жыл бұрын
I was here to mention the "wetted" slip rings. Used them for analog camera systems that had to reliably carry the signal and quite a bit of power to run the thing. Neat!
@mjmdiver1137
@mjmdiver1137 Жыл бұрын
Like the Roundshot? Or do you mean a controllable camera mount?
@porticojunction
@porticojunction Жыл бұрын
@@mjmdiver1137 It was a camera for a sewer snake that would spin the wire on and off of a big reel while sending composite video through it. It had to run the camera and lights at a minimum. Some models had full pan and tilt and tracks or wheels to propel them.
@craignehring
@craignehring Жыл бұрын
I worked with some such when I worked at Briggs & Stratton running engineering tests the ones we used where much higher quality but were expected to perform at much higher RPM. Fun lil thing it is
@jameshicks7125
@jameshicks7125 Жыл бұрын
I use these on my Planetarium Star Projector. There is an axis for rotation at the base /Yaw with 48 Conductor rings, another axis for Elevation with 2 sets of twelve on both sides, and then inside for the Diurnal I had to hand build an 8 conductor pancake slip ring. All these carry the grounds, stepper motor voltages, encoder signals, and control voltages to turn things on and off.
@WJCTechyman
@WJCTechyman Жыл бұрын
I found it interesting that CT scanners utilized slip rings, really large ones with carbon brushes when VCRs moved to rotating or rotary transformers.
@askjacob
@askjacob Жыл бұрын
considering the crazy magnetic fields in play, rotary transformers may have been a bit of a challenge in a CT
@SkigBiggler
@SkigBiggler Жыл бұрын
@@askjacobYou’re thinking of MRIs, CT scanners typically use X-rays.
@tz8785
@tz8785 Жыл бұрын
An X-ray tube needs DC to work, they maybe didn't want to squeeze components for rectification and smoothing into the scan head. Also how much of a headache is it to place a rotary transformer far enough outside the axis of rotation to be useful? Leaving enough space for the patient requires a considerable opening in the middle.
@straightpipediesel
@straightpipediesel Жыл бұрын
@@askjacob The large magnetic field in a MRI machine is static (DC), so it wouldn't affect air-core transformers. There are smaller AC fields and RF pulses.
@siberx4
@siberx4 Жыл бұрын
If your use-case can't tolerate the rotation speed limits or possible drop-outs of slip rings, these days it's also possible to assemble solutions that use inductive power transfer with two coil rings (the field doesn't care that it's rotating in-plane) plus a wireless communication mechanism for the data side. At its simplest this can mean co-opting a Qi charging transmitter/receiver plus connecting to the widget on the rotating bit via wifi, but various solutions exist depending on your power levels and data transfer requirements. A bit more complicated than slip rings, but sometimes an entirely sealed "no sliding/moving parts" (except the rotating shaft itself) design is preferred.
@nrdesign1991
@nrdesign1991 Жыл бұрын
The commonly used rotating LiDAR sensors, e.g. on robot vacuums, use a combination of inductive coils for power transfer to the sensor inside the rotating head (rotation is typically achieved by an external motor with a belt or with a direct drive motor underneath) and infrared for bidirectional data right in the center.
@Mister_Brown
@Mister_Brown Жыл бұрын
that's how video tape helical scan heads work, except they just use the rotary transformer for data
@Nurse_Diesel
@Nurse_Diesel Жыл бұрын
I used one to repair a fantec sim racing steering wheel when the ribbon cable got cut after constant use over time. Worked great and is still in use.
@benjurqunov
@benjurqunov Жыл бұрын
I've several of those pulled from scrapped PTZ cameras. They've been fun to play around with.
@ffsscorpion6940
@ffsscorpion6940 Жыл бұрын
I just changed my design for a hover control experiment that I'm building, just because this simple device isn't available locally, and Ebay takes a month to deliver anything to here. it's very interesting to see the inside of the, I'm now thinking of making my own make-shift version
@Kogacarlo
@Kogacarlo Жыл бұрын
I made slip ring thing pings myself using stainless steel rings and carbon brushes to drive HPS lamps for the hobby. The rotating thing ping apparatus was physically set in motion by an old clock. Pretty amazing that it worked out. Actually the ballasts were separate so also the initial starting current went through my slip rings. Never had any problems.
@georgespilling4748
@georgespilling4748 Жыл бұрын
heavy man ! Clive i commented about the package given to me which poured mercury from broken slip rings once opened " dont know what in it but its fffing heavy" the storeman exclaimed.
@danforster9518
@danforster9518 Жыл бұрын
I have been using wind turbines for around 6 years, and they come fitted with non sealed internal brushes and slip rings which fail after 12 months or so. I fitted a mercury wetted sealed unit with brings down power and data to my controller and it performs perfectly (now 3 years without trouble). They are very expensive, especially the high current versions, but save 2 days of ladders and pulling apart everything to replace the factory fitted open units.
@MrPesht
@MrPesht Жыл бұрын
Tripped me out when you pulled those bearings magically out of the image
@whitehoose
@whitehoose Жыл бұрын
We used to use ARBs. (Amber rotating beacons). Mostly the domain of the poles and holes guys but some bright spark thought hanging them on ladders would be a good idea too. They were great. Not lit up and flashing but you could break the mech and recover a great very robust electric motor, one of those spinamathings and a flasher. They also gave us access to those expensive big square batteries with springs, they would run a radio for months
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 Жыл бұрын
Rotating laser levels that shoot a reference line onto walls for installation of drop ceilings must contain a set of sliprings....
@NiyaKouya
@NiyaKouya Жыл бұрын
@@goodun2974 ...or just a rotating mirror assembly that needs no power ;)
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 Жыл бұрын
@@NiyaKouya , Perhaps, but if you really need near perfect alignment, Which would be easier to align perfectly, the laser itself, or the mirror that has to reflect it? In order to spin a mirror and have the laser beam stationary yet reflect 360゚ all around so that it puts a level line on all 4 walls, I would think it might be easier to spin the laser. The mirror might have to be some kind of weird mirror ball in order to do this. Or perhaps it would require a prism or a fiber optic link or something like that.....
@cphank3722
@cphank3722 Жыл бұрын
Most newer cars do not use slip rings to signal from the steering wheel to the rest of the wiring. They use a long strip of flexible printed circuit board to wind and unwind around the steering column as the wheel is turned. Of course this is limited by the number of wraps that can be made but steering wheels also have limited turns. It works well and gives glitch free operation for even high speed digital streams. The robustness, noise forgiveness, and redundant wires of canbus are not necessary with such a clock spring type arrangement.
@sparky8823
@sparky8823 Жыл бұрын
At the casino I work for, these are used in rotating sinage to carry data for video and DMX lighting. Considering that they are spinning 24 hours and 365 days a year, they are surprisingly reliable!
@Lykaotix
@Lykaotix Жыл бұрын
I've always wondered how they worked and I should have guessed, so simple and complex at the same time (to me). I pretty much assumed it was magic of some sort 😉
@kareno8634
@kareno8634 Жыл бұрын
So That's how; Well explained. ... _but what do i know._ Thanks Clive! After Reading some comments below, seems i've missed a lot of classes. Much I've failed to see, till now.
@daveseddon5227
@daveseddon5227 Жыл бұрын
I'm sure that if I purchased one then I'd find a use for it!
@FokkerBoombass
@FokkerBoombass Жыл бұрын
Same principle at play with regular corded vacuum cleaners, the kind that has a windy cord that you need to pull out and then it reels itself back in when you hold a button. The fingers in the mechanism get worn out over time, it's a very easy fix as you just need to put a bit more bend to them.
@jesterof84
@jesterof84 Жыл бұрын
630am nursing my coffee at my work bench I read the title as 6 circuit slurring teardown , that's completely possible 😂🤪
@ManWithBeard1990
@ManWithBeard1990 Жыл бұрын
You only really need these for continuous rotation so it's not too hard to avoid having to use them, usually. I used them once but the product we were developing didn't make it to market in that form. Happens more often than you'd think. If higher current is required, Sandia Labs recently took out a patent for one of these without the use of sliding contacts. Imagine the inside of a car diff, but with a conductive belt drive instead of gears. I imagine it works quite well.
@medn2295
@medn2295 Жыл бұрын
Great video. We had a problem to solve at work when we wanted a slip ring to carry high frequency signals..
@donerickson1954
@donerickson1954 Жыл бұрын
As I was typing about mercury slip ring sets, you said exactly that.
@stevebridge8668
@stevebridge8668 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Have used one of these with great success in a kinetic sand sculpture. Very reliable 👍
@hughtube4me
@hughtube4me Жыл бұрын
I used one of these for a wind vane data transfer from a digital compass, works OK
@ionymous6733
@ionymous6733 Жыл бұрын
i've made a hobby project in the past with one of these for an ethernet cable. used it with laptop on one end and raspberry pi with camera on the other. worked fine.
@zaprodk
@zaprodk Жыл бұрын
These are used all the time in CCTV, they transfer both video, power, serial, ethernet. Though the ones i've extracted seems to be a little more fancy and have 8-10 wires.
@Tims_Projects
@Tims_Projects Жыл бұрын
I have used several of these when I built my robot, one in my robot head/neck, one in its torso to enable those parts to rotate constantly. I am using one now in my current project. They where a lot cheaper when I bought them. (Pre Covid)
@d34dc0de
@d34dc0de Жыл бұрын
This video couldn't be more on time, I bought two of these and received them yesterday. I was curious as to how they where working inside :)
@CptJistuce
@CptJistuce Жыл бұрын
I remember seeing these for phone handsets when I was little. They seemed like magic.
@plasmaman9592
@plasmaman9592 Жыл бұрын
It's interesting that you mentioned that they used to have some of those that were Mercury wetted. I didn't know that but for years I have been wetting my ham radio antenna connections because I get a stronger signal and I have done it to a few audio connections between the amp and speakers on my home theater. I did not notice a difference on the audio but There is a measurable difference on the antennas and coax Both when receiving very weak signals and when transmitting very high wattage
@jercos
@jercos Жыл бұрын
Contact shape is critical for high frequencies because of the distribution of currents. The skin effect produces drastically worse conductor performance around "pointy" features, and wetting can physically round off those conductive shapes. Looking at cut-away SMA connectors was a real eye-opener for me... the pin specifically mates in a ring, keeping cylindrical continuity, while the shield is lapped in its own recess, held flush by the screw. A circular profile in both cases is kept continuous, never opening into a "C" or flattening out.
@HAMMER_2.2
@HAMMER_2.2 6 ай бұрын
Id love to retrofit one into my aftermarket steeing column for steering wheel control buttons
@Atis602
@Atis602 Жыл бұрын
Our AGV track wheel casters use these to pass the data from the wheel mounted optical encoder to the processor. In this application the track wheel is used to to confirm speed and distance. There is a second encoder (without sliprings) on the caster assembly used to confirm the casters angle. The caster needs to be able to turn 360 degrees when the vehicle is reversed.
@hadibq
@hadibq Жыл бұрын
I see easily its application in a wind speed measurement installation. quite handy to have a couple of these around 😊
@aware2action
@aware2action Жыл бұрын
Nice to see the innards of these sliprings❤👍. Could have a number of interesting uses such as various kinds of diy generators(handcrank, wind), rotary molders with precise stepper control and some other exotic applications...🤐. Just some 💭
@DrexProjects
@DrexProjects Жыл бұрын
I have a few of those and was wondering how they worked. Now I know. Thanks B.C.
@paulregner5335
@paulregner5335 Жыл бұрын
When I used to turn wrenches on M1A1 battle tanks for a living, I once performed a forensic disassembly on a malfunctioning turret slip ring (it also passed hydraulics in addition to electrical current and signals). It was nothing like the one you took apart (the electrical connections passed through a pair of platters instead of a cylinder).
@gutschke
@gutschke Жыл бұрын
According to Wikipedia, that is in fact a commonly used alternative design. It suffers from a bunch of reliability issues, but it has the advantage of being flat and increasing in radial dimension as you increase the number of conductors. For some applications, that's a crucial difference, as you can't arbitrarily increase the length along the axis.
@dragoneye1589
@dragoneye1589 Жыл бұрын
On the CCTV side, they are used in PTZ cameras to pass the ethernet connection and power between the rotating camera portion to the fixed power/data input section.
@AkomishTiddies
@AkomishTiddies Жыл бұрын
Finally, something for adding backlights and like on Polish toilets
@carneeki
@carneeki Жыл бұрын
The FRC team I mentored a few years ago was even able to run CAN bus over these, I was quite surprised that it worked. Edit: iirc we could run 12V at 40A on the model we ran, and CAN on the remaining two pins to the motor controller. We put the motor controller on the "far" side of the ring because from memory there were some encoders connected to the controller and it was simpler to run just 4 wires thru the slip ring.
@ninefinger2511
@ninefinger2511 Жыл бұрын
Hey mine too. 16 bomb squad and 323 lights out! #datswerve
@markbooth3066
@markbooth3066 Жыл бұрын
What speed CAN bus? I can see some of the lower speed versions being fine, but I'd be wary of running a 5Mbit/s CAN-FD link over a slip ring. A company I worked for in the 90's ran a 10Mbit/s transputer link through a slip ring connection, and we had to add extra error checking & correction to the protocol given the noisiness of the link.
@carneeki
@carneeki Жыл бұрын
@@markbooth3066 Just took a look at some forum posts about the controller, it appears to be a 1Mbps bus speed. It may be capable of being able to negotiate down to 250kbps too.
@rosiehawtrey
@rosiehawtrey Жыл бұрын
@@carneeki sounds almost like a physical zigbee/z-wave, they can drop down depending on the quality of the data link, I can imagine things over a sliding contact could get dirty as regards signal. CANBUS getting a little bit too pervasive, trying to make things impossible to repair, when we need to repair as much as we can..
@mihkus
@mihkus Жыл бұрын
PTZ Cameras run audio, microphone and CAT5 Ethernet trough these things. Crazy stuff
@massimookissed1023
@massimookissed1023 Жыл бұрын
The cord winder in a vacuum cleaner has a fairly beefy slip ring (usually 2 pole) if anyone needs to supply mains to something rotatey.
@phonatic
@phonatic Жыл бұрын
I used to build transmission electronics for video camera modules that would receive the 24-36V DC along with the HD component signal over a custom-made 3-line disc rotary contact. The cylindrical stock contacts would not be able to transmit the signal reliably. We had only one manufacturer that could deliver a constant enough quality and durability - and they did cost a pretty penny too.
@geneard639
@geneard639 Жыл бұрын
US Navy SH/MH Seahawk helicopters use slip rings at the tail rotor (for blade de-ice) and main rotor head (blade de-ice, position sensors and blade fold motors) and while the tail rotor slip ring is 'race tracks' of copper and pickups of sprung carbon contacts, the main rotor is a 3+ foot long monster that travels the entire length from the top of the rotor head and the distribution box, to the bottom of the main transmission and even then the cable for it is another 4 feet long.
@JamesBaber
@JamesBaber Жыл бұрын
I've had success running a USB 2.0 video feed over cheap Aliexpress slip rings like this before. At the same time, I've passed 24V power and step/direction signals for a stepper motor driver. In the limited testing I did, there were no signal dropouts.
@JPREEDY77
@JPREEDY77 11 ай бұрын
Gosh darn it Clive I just fell in love. lol. I have a special love for this apparatus. I have autism and have taken things apart since I was 3. I visualize the function of everything and this is a piece I have yet to see in this state. Thank you
@DejitaruJin
@DejitaruJin Жыл бұрын
That's interesting, my idea for such a contraption would be closer to motor brushes gliding along a series of concentric rings. This is much closer to something like a headphone plug and jack, which is probably better.
@jercos
@jercos Жыл бұрын
Your intuition is absolutely used in industry as well, where applicable, the main advantage here is keeping the contacts at the same linear speed. Another similar example of a flat, concentric device would be the rotary transformer in a VCR, that connects the spinning tape head.
@stevewatts3502
@stevewatts3502 Жыл бұрын
These are essential for your RC Tank turrets.
@torgo_
@torgo_ Жыл бұрын
I paused the video at the start thinking "how on earth can that even be possible?" and drew some diagrams. My alien UFO tech notepad solution ended up being way more complicated than the actual thing, but I believe both would work. 😂
@zippy5131
@zippy5131 Жыл бұрын
Now that looks perfect for a model railway turntable using DCC (Digital) rather than the peco split copper track and sprungloaded pins. Brilliant.
@amorphuc
@amorphuc Жыл бұрын
That's pretty neat. It must be how R2D2's head works. LOL Now I wonder about the special machine that makes them.
@DrBagPhD
@DrBagPhD Жыл бұрын
It literally is! A lot of hobbyists use 'em in their builds.
@DarrenPoulson
@DarrenPoulson Жыл бұрын
Yup, got a bag of them (24 wire versions, same thing more compact). for my droids. :D
@orphanpixels
@orphanpixels Жыл бұрын
A slip ring circuit. Didn't know what they were called. I wanted to do a cucoloris train window effect for a show and was wracking my brain with all manner of battery/bearing constrcutions, and it was this i wanted.
@hoverhead047
@hoverhead047 Жыл бұрын
Aliexpress has them for RC excavators to transfer power to the "brushless" motors that drive the tracks for walking the machine.
@gdj6298
@gdj6298 Жыл бұрын
In the 70s, some Leslie speakers (the ones with the speaker actually IN the drum - vile) used Mercotac mercury contacts to get the signal into the speaker. Not always that reliable. The service advice was "remove the capsule and shake it to get the blob of mercury back into position". Always made me feel like James bloody Herriot about to take a cow's temperature.
@eliotmansfield
@eliotmansfield Жыл бұрын
click on one, click on two and we got this open 😂
@gavincurtis
@gavincurtis Жыл бұрын
I found one of these with mercury wetted contacts in my stash from an old project I had forgotten about. Three contacts for ground, power and data.
@paradiselost9946
@paradiselost9946 Жыл бұрын
i just commented on this. the lack of the good stuff. hang onto it because they are becoming scarce! and trust me, that thing will still be making perfect contact after 20million cycles.
@jercos
@jercos Жыл бұрын
Ironic that removing mercury would make the switches more mercurial.
@gavincurtis
@gavincurtis Жыл бұрын
Can’t recall, but it was one of their longest life rated unit with 10’s of millions of rotations as you said, with sealed ball bearings in all metal housing. It was for a rotary LED music visualizer project. I ended up not using it for inductive power transfer and IR LEDs to transmit the data to receivers on the spinning PCBs. Because it was quite expensive and not realistic if the device ever went into production. It never went to production as trying to balance the large three armed rotor at nearly 1000 rpm was too much of a nuisance. Funny how I find it a month ago and Clive does a tear down on similar device! 😀 I need to make something with it….
@paradiselost9946
@paradiselost9946 Жыл бұрын
@@gavincurtis now i look again, they arent that bad on the pocket. not as uncommon as they seemed to be a few years ago... or maybe i just wanted too many connections. iunno.
@boredape1257
@boredape1257 Жыл бұрын
Another case of "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic".
@hemeoncn
@hemeoncn Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Thanks for the breakdown.
@KirbyDaMaster
@KirbyDaMaster Жыл бұрын
I have always wanted to look inside these things!
@Iowa599
@Iowa599 Жыл бұрын
Modern cars typically have clocksprings instead of sliprings, because they have more wires (ie: horn, airbag, radio controls, etc). When I removed the airbag, radio controls, & replaced the OE wheel I needed something for the horn… So, I made my own slipring out of random shit, including a floormat. It didn't look good, but it was hidden, and it worked 😊
@Iowa599
@Iowa599 Жыл бұрын
*the airbag was recalled by the manufacturer, which makes removing it safer than leaving it.
@tek4
@tek4 Жыл бұрын
​@@Iowa599 any chance you powered it up at some point to test it in safe conditions?
@Iowa599
@Iowa599 Жыл бұрын
@@tek4 powered it up? The horn worked fine, and I detonated the airbag in my back yard. The 'bag wasn't as exciting as I hoped, so next time it will be put in something (to make the boom more dramatic) before sparking it.
@josephking6515
@josephking6515 Жыл бұрын
*Thank You* Clive, that was quite interesting. Much appreciated. 👍
@mattmoreira210
@mattmoreira210 Жыл бұрын
Nice! Though it looks like it should be rated 22V 200mA instead, doesn't it?
@kapegede
@kapegede Жыл бұрын
You're always on the safe side when you divide Chinese numbers by 10. Same with accu capacities...
@tactileslut
@tactileslut Жыл бұрын
Car stereo watts, the number of people a tent can accommodate, the number of hours an LED fixture will work for... all closer with a zero lopped off.
@nrdesign1991
@nrdesign1991 Жыл бұрын
the teeny tiny baby version of what is often used in fairground rides to transmit actual power to lights and motors on moving elements, especially on the more complex carousel style rides with individually moving gondolas. I still wonder how they used to synchronize all the light effects on older rides, either through individual controllers and sync pulses or with just many more contacts for the light effect channels?
@Bobo-ox7fj
@Bobo-ox7fj Жыл бұрын
It's possible that the power was modulated with a clock signal and that was used to keep individual controllers in sync?
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom Жыл бұрын
Either one slip ring per channel, or just power and a controller on each car with a simple chase.
@vincei4252
@vincei4252 Жыл бұрын
I have a different brand of these slip wrings for a wind turbine project that is on hold. The wires coming through the model I have are much more substantial as the turbine can put out about 1500W 3-phase 110V in a 14mph wind.
@starpuss
@starpuss Жыл бұрын
I replace them pretty often in PTZ CCTV cameras
@daze8410
@daze8410 Жыл бұрын
The cotton candy machine I work on at work has brushes on a solid core of copper that is attached to brushless motor. These are the connections for the heating element that spins. It's a pretty old machine so I'm sure that later revisions have been updated
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom Жыл бұрын
That's very standard. Two brass or copper rings with two carbon brushes.
@rpmunlimited397
@rpmunlimited397 Жыл бұрын
That looks like it would be perfect for hobby robotics, some RC servos and liner actuators and a complex articulated device would be easy to build.
@dfraser
@dfraser Жыл бұрын
I think CT scanners use optical slip rings for data connections, wild tech
@newmonengineering
@newmonengineering Жыл бұрын
The 250v is rated based on insulation and sparking that could occur inside. If its 24awg max amps is .5 but you should be lower than that fir safety. You can run 250v if its limited to say 200ma or so.
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