6 CREED UR: Rebuilding a HOWA 1500 for Accuracy

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HERE IT IS! My HOWA 1500 wouldn't shoot, and now it's a tack-driver! In this video I cover spec'ing custom reamer geometry (6 CREED UR), the rebarreling process (spotlight on metric threading), and the results from barrel break-in. I'm very happy with how this rifle is turning out!
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@Ultimatereloader
@Ultimatereloader 2 жыл бұрын
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@johncollins719
@johncollins719 4 жыл бұрын
It's nice to find a vid on YT showing gunsmithing by someone who knows what he's doing, and explains it in a consice manner using proper terminology. Subscribed!
@northwestwildandfree1505
@northwestwildandfree1505 4 жыл бұрын
I use the Howa 1500 for all my builds. Made a couple 6mm Creedmoors for my daughter and her husband for wedding gifts. Guns were twins. They weighed around the 8 1/2. Pound mark ready to hunt and my daughter gun (just happened that way) shot 1/2” at 100 yards and his gun shot 3/4” at a 100 yards using the Hornady match ammo. 108 grain. Thanks for the video b
@tga1836
@tga1836 3 жыл бұрын
Do you blueprint the Howa 1500, or just put the barrel on from the factory action?
@JavelinAust
@JavelinAust 2 жыл бұрын
What kind of barrel life are you getting out of the Howa barrels in 6mm CM?
@CDOES
@CDOES 4 жыл бұрын
Very well done. As a fellow machinist, and Howa shooter. This satisfied me thoroughly!
@cornydad
@cornydad 4 жыл бұрын
My Remington 700 308 AAC SD shoots .45" at 100 with 5 shots in 2 minutes. That's with the Hogue stock that it comes with. Every once a while I'll get one ragged hole for 5 shots. I put on a $30 muzzle device that is more for looks than recoil control. I am using a $35 Caldwell bipod. I pressed the end of the stock to the barrel with compression tape, so it's not free floated. I made my own adjustable cheek riser. I have created a load that shoots well.
@livingsouthern9358
@livingsouthern9358 4 жыл бұрын
Please do a mini action, CZ 527 or Howa mini in 6.5 grendel. Ultralight MT rifle build!
@krmatiu
@krmatiu 4 жыл бұрын
Living Southern I’d be keen to see this too
@flatcreek6988
@flatcreek6988 2 жыл бұрын
Me too
@rafaellastracom6411
@rafaellastracom6411 4 жыл бұрын
Great results. Glad you did not give up on the project. Looking forward to seeing you fine tune it.
@Ultimatereloader
@Ultimatereloader 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@TRUEBOREPRECISION
@TRUEBOREPRECISION 4 жыл бұрын
Loved the vid, I have the 6.5 Howa Bravo and want to rebarrel it now after putting 2800-2900 rounds through it. I wanted a review on the IBI barrels and you delivered Cheers for that Keep up the good work
@RuggedSportsmen
@RuggedSportsmen 4 жыл бұрын
I remember watching your rebarrel at 300 video and you were saying the bullet needed to be seated out to approach the lands further than your mag would allow. When I converted to AICS mags I had the same problem but fixed it running MDT AICS metal mags. Gave me more than enough clearance for long bullets in my 6mm creed.
@Tipton243
@Tipton243 3 жыл бұрын
I ran a factory how barreled action in 6mm creedmoor in tactical bench rest competitions. Ran factory hornady 108gn eld match and consistently got less than 1/2” group and single digit standard deviation and extreme spread on my velocities. Had around 1000 rounds through the barrel with no loss of velocity. Finally switched to a 6.5x47 and custom barrel
@dpbierman2586
@dpbierman2586 11 күн бұрын
Thank you for this video... it awnsered a few things that I'm struggling with on my Howa in 6.5PRC💪🏻
@cs_yt
@cs_yt 4 жыл бұрын
After going through 5 barrels of 224V, every time I hear long throat I get a chill down my spine. I'm so glad I ended up with a Savage 6CM that consistently shoots sub moa to 550y. Thinking that I almost bought a Howa. I heard other people have luck with it, but I don't like to rely on luck. Keep them coming, also looking forward to the 6.5 PRC series, just got one, and at some extend is your fault.
@Ultimatereloader
@Ultimatereloader 4 жыл бұрын
Glad to help you spend $$$ on a 6.5 PRC! :)
@mrgabriale
@mrgabriale 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Gavin. My howa took at least 100 rounds before it started to group. Now it groups half moa. Really happy with it. Had me worried for a while I have to admit.
@floridamike75
@floridamike75 4 жыл бұрын
Another great video Gav!!
@paulclarke1738
@paulclarke1738 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Howa 1500 chambered in .270 and I've fitted a 24 inch varmint stainless International barrel and a GRS laminate stock. I've just finished working through load development for it and she's shooting lovely. Im debating weather to bed the action and swap out the trigger but will see how it performs for a while
@wildcatprecision
@wildcatprecision 3 жыл бұрын
Hi. I work on Howa actions a lot here in Tasmania. I have found that if you blue print the action it makes a huge difference in the consistant accuracy even with the original barrel's. A spring kit change and sear polish of the original trigger can get the trigger down to a sweet 1 pound pull. Your replacement barrel are good but I would suggest truing the action and bolt face to get the full potential out of the action with that barrel. Cheers for the vids, always inreresting to watch.
@bigg6967
@bigg6967 Жыл бұрын
I'm with some of the other guys here. I would love to see you set the barrel back and rechamber with the freebore you feel is appropriate for your ammo. See if this barrel can actually perform to the level you had expected. Reason being to keep this into more of a budget build as you started out. Otherwise I love your videos.
@chevy6299
@chevy6299 4 жыл бұрын
Looking good in the neighborhood !!!
@waynemayle9918
@waynemayle9918 4 жыл бұрын
Been wanting for this thanks for not giving up. 🖒🖒
@Ultimatereloader
@Ultimatereloader 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Wayne! :)
@TheMathewsman
@TheMathewsman 4 жыл бұрын
Love my IBI barrels! Great video!
@dinoc.5537
@dinoc.5537 4 жыл бұрын
Great job regrouping to save the project! I would love to hear the diagnostic on that bbl you removed. Have you planned to slug it? Something has to explain why it was so mediocre?!? Do you think it was the chambering? Is it possible to use that new reamer and revive the bbl? Can't wait to see how the load development goes on the new one!
@gw9853
@gw9853 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you've found the issues. Interested to see you use that timney at 1.5 lbs. Great gun and great work on fixing it.
@lawrencehassey8948
@lawrencehassey8948 3 жыл бұрын
Great info and love all the detailed work that was shown on camera. You helped me make up my mind on buying a howa. Flat bottom actions like this one are not for me.
@msummers5625
@msummers5625 4 жыл бұрын
Love this build!
@Evaed100
@Evaed100 4 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@Ultimatereloader
@Ultimatereloader 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@raulmartinez7730
@raulmartinez7730 2 жыл бұрын
Great gavin! Im about to cut the threads!
@southerndiscomfort2412
@southerndiscomfort2412 4 жыл бұрын
When bedding most rifle recoil lugs, they need to be tapped on the front, bottom and sides so leaving clearance. However, as the Howa has the front action screw pulling down on the base of the lug, there should be no clearance on the base; ie do not put tape on the bottom of lug when bedding but leave clear like the rear of lug.
@ianprice2441
@ianprice2441 4 жыл бұрын
What a project.!!👍👍
@Ultimatereloader
@Ultimatereloader 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian!
@bradleytyrrell4417
@bradleytyrrell4417 4 жыл бұрын
Great series Gavin enjoy it so much. One question how do you compare the ibi barrels to other brands you have used thanks mate
@paunchouspilot6757
@paunchouspilot6757 4 жыл бұрын
Nice job. Have any plans for a AR 6 creed? You need 1 to match the AR Valkyrie & Bolt Valkyrie. You're doing a great job on your rebarrels. Thanks for the SHOT 2020 coverage.
@tga1836
@tga1836 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Gavin - I know this is an older video, but I was curious about something when I came across it. Did you blueprint the Howa 1500 action between removing the factory barrel and adding the new one? If yes/no, then why and did it make a difference in your mind? Thanks in advance from Texas?
@livingsouthern9358
@livingsouthern9358 4 жыл бұрын
Just cut 1.5 rounds off the factory trigger spring. Rifle will still be 100%drop safe and u can get it down under a pound.
@hochhaul
@hochhaul 3 жыл бұрын
I did this with my TSP-X. Very easy and the results were pretty amazing. Their HACT trigger is a good design and very easy to work on.
@bruceherrmann1219
@bruceherrmann1219 4 жыл бұрын
Great info and help. Have been considering a Howa build in 6.5 from Brownells. Seems like they offer two levels, one double the price of the other (barrel/action). Not sure. What's holding me back is the scope. Don't have the disoposable income for Nightforce level etc. yet had a bad experience with the ADE (cheap) and won't go that way again. Got to be something that is not junk and will hold up. I don't want to build a rifle around a cheap scope. Thanks again, great info, especially appreciate the machine process. Keep up the good work.
@bobbertee5945
@bobbertee5945 4 жыл бұрын
Vortex... in the 4-500$ range.....cant go wrong.....don't need a 1000 dollar scope...
@shitsngiggles8371
@shitsngiggles8371 4 жыл бұрын
Vortex diamondback tactical 6x24x50 ffp $400. I've been very pleased with mine.
@stevewhite4392
@stevewhite4392 4 жыл бұрын
Bought a factory Howa 1500 with GRS Berserk composite stock a couple of years ago. The action lug didn't touch the stock and when torquing the action screw the stock was being physically pulled into the action and creating stress. I ended up bedding the lug to fill in that gap, which was quite substantial. Always something to think about with the Howa design...
@karlschauff7989
@karlschauff7989 2 жыл бұрын
I think it's a QC issue with Legacy. From what I've gathered, LSI gets Howa barreled actions and puts them into various stocks. I got a Howa 6.5 PRC in a TSP-X chassis from SCSA and I had to reseat the action and torque everything down before it was ready to go. I do like the integral lug design. A lot nicer than the loose aluminum lug design used on my Tikka.
@peteandingrid
@peteandingrid 4 жыл бұрын
I think the standard PACT trigger with some work, ie lighter sear spring can be made super light and safe ,much better than the timney.
@hochhaul
@hochhaul 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I removed the trigger on my Howa TSP-X and cut one turn off the coil spring. The difference was huge and the only cost was a half hour of my time.
@BigSmartArmed
@BigSmartArmed 4 жыл бұрын
With such tight tolerances, what are the known stacking and thermal deviation values in a given temperature range variance?
@GuppieAJ
@GuppieAJ 4 жыл бұрын
wow nice rifle gavin!! i was wondering when are you going to do a update on your 300 prc rifle? have you doing any prs matches yet? gr aj from the netherlands
@Ultimatereloader
@Ultimatereloader 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, and glad to have you watching from the Netherlands!
@claytonschubert6912
@claytonschubert6912 3 жыл бұрын
hey brother! love the build videos! im a gunsmith and my career path has led me away from bolt guns but i still love building them in my spare time. what are the dial indicators that you use after you drill your prebore?
@foot8sativa
@foot8sativa 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Could you do a video on re-cambering the factory barrel to see how it performs with a custom chamber?
@GetMeThere1
@GetMeThere1 4 жыл бұрын
Very satisfying that you COULD directly improve the accuracy -- and it's always a good reminder that, at the end of the day it's impossible to shoot better than the chamber and bore will allow for. You've got me a bit reluctant about the idea of purchasing a Howa barreled receiver, however (or howa ever, lol).
@karlschauff7989
@karlschauff7989 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Howa TSP-X in 6.5 PRC and it's consistently below 1/2 moa with factory ammo. I'm guessing there was an issue with their 6 Creed barrels because I've never heard of this issue from other long distance shooters using Howa rifles.
@GetMeThere1
@GetMeThere1 2 жыл бұрын
@@karlschauff7989 Modern barrels chambered in modern cartridges SHOULD (at least with handloads) be able to consistently shoot 1/2 MOA. So yeah, there's probably a specific screw-up going on, somewhere.
@bsb1191
@bsb1191 3 жыл бұрын
This is undoubtedly the sexiest rifle in your arsenal.
@murder0ne
@murder0ne 4 жыл бұрын
Great detail reviewing the issues and documenting your process and troubleshooting/diagnosing the issues. That said, you could have bought the cheapest factory Tikka and a prefit 6mm CM barrel (since Tikka doesn't make a factory 6mm CM) and ended up with the same/better results for far less time and $$$. I've been down the same road with multiple different brands of bolt guns and I got rid of everything else and now run all Tikka actions. Unless you're going to step up to a full custom action/barrel/trigger and spend $3K+ on a rifle there's not much that can compare for the price/performance/consistency of a Tikka action. If you don't mind running a factory caliber you can get a Tikka CTR for about $800 and drop it in a Bravo chassis and be done for about $1150 and shoot sub 1/2 MOA with factory ammo and usually get to 1/4 MOA with handloads. All that with a factory action/barrel/trigger. An interesting new product from Ultimatum this year is their DeFacto barreled action *with* a Triggertech trigger for $1K, including an IBI barrel. For that price point I'm seriously considering that setup for my next build. I think it'll be great performance for the price and will fit Tikka chassis. Very interesting combining a R700 pattern trigger with a Tikka action footprint as well as that opens up the possibility of running some fancier two stage R700 triggers like the Bix n Andy etc.
@Ultimatereloader
@Ultimatereloader 4 жыл бұрын
Tikka is on my list for a build!
@ramsaycountry1177
@ramsaycountry1177 4 жыл бұрын
Those federals are pretty awesome. 👍👍. I've just built a 6x47. Have you ever thought about looking into that cartridge?
@p1choco
@p1choco 4 жыл бұрын
Gavin, now you can re-chamber the factory barrel and use it on another Howa action perhaps?
@MichaelDFarrellJr
@MichaelDFarrellJr 4 жыл бұрын
@gavintoobe - Enjoyed the video and looking forward to the next. Do you typically need to bed a KRG Bravo? Want to use one on my next rifle and would be handy to know. Thanks-
@davidcoiner6550
@davidcoiner6550 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting for this update!!
@Ultimatereloader
@Ultimatereloader 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry it's taken so long- too much happening, but all good!
@davidcoiner6550
@davidcoiner6550 4 жыл бұрын
gavintoobe not a problem for me! I loved your 300 PRC and 6.5 PRC videos. Also looking forward to your 300 RUM to 300 PRC video!
@PBYZB
@PBYZB 4 жыл бұрын
gavintoobe could you please make a bedding video for this krg stock, I have the same one in the gray and would like to know how you bed it. Thanks
@robertwindeyer634
@robertwindeyer634 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Gavin, You didn't mention if you at least dialled the action, we've had Howas in huge numbers in Australia for ages, nearly all of them need some degree of squaring up, Also did you look into the Jard Howa trigger nice and light the lighter one is somewhere around the 8OZ mark. Great video thanks Rob
@Ultimatereloader
@Ultimatereloader 4 жыл бұрын
I had planned to true the action, but the bushings I have for my GreTan rifle truing jig are the wrong diameter :( I had thought they were the same between HOWA and Rem700- but no!
@albertomostert5513
@albertomostert5513 4 жыл бұрын
Dude that rifle is beautiful want to get my 6.5 cm rebereled
@geologik7500
@geologik7500 4 жыл бұрын
Buy you a prefit from X-Caliber, NSS or preferred barrel blanks. Easy to do.
@OC_Lofton
@OC_Lofton 4 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your videos. I have three HOWAs (6.5 Grendel; 6.5 Creedmoor; .308). HOWA/Legacy Sports only guarantee sub - 1.047 inch groups (3 round). All three of my HOWAs met the criteria in factory overmolded stocks with factory Winchester Deer Season XP and Hornady SST. I wouldn't consider myself a great shot (1.0 to 1.5 MOA consistently). Neither the 6.5 Creedmoor nor the (.308) improved when installed in my HCR chassis. I don't know if the 6.5 Grendel Mini Action would improve/benefit from an aftermarket stock or chassis. I won't spend any more money on it until there exists better, more reliable magazine options for the Howa Mini Actions. It's good to know that the KRG Bravo was not the main cause of your issues. I've been considering the KRG Bravo every since it was announced.
@jamesgang94591
@jamesgang94591 4 жыл бұрын
Damn you Gavin. Chassis are expensive. Built my Howa Grendel on a Boyd’s One stock because it was cheaper. It groups pretty good but wanted to put it in a chassis
@jonlennon3348
@jonlennon3348 4 жыл бұрын
What torque are you using on the front and back screw? Usually on a chassis you run 65 inch pounds in the front and start with around 20 inch pounds and increase in 5 pound increments till the groups seem to tighten up. Did you true the bolt face?
@miguelrodriguez6553
@miguelrodriguez6553 4 жыл бұрын
What size scope ring are you using? I just started to build a rifle like yours and order the enclosed forend for my Krg bravo chassis and wanted to know if my scope is going to clear with the scope extension. Thanks
@kobuskotze3206
@kobuskotze3206 7 күн бұрын
Very nice build. May I ask why you didn't go all the way and blueprint the action? Would be nice to hear your thoughts on this.
@deannagel5143
@deannagel5143 4 жыл бұрын
Hi my name is Dean and you know a whole lot more than I know about your Howa. . I would like your thoughts and I would like your help on a couple of things . I have a Howa 1500 it has a floor plate can I get it to where it will accept magazines in 7mm08. I am going to go with an MDT chassis system still trying to decide on which one I am a hunter I want to go hunting with this rifle. And I am also thinking about going with a X Caliber Barrel in the same caliber varmint Barrel . And I like your thoughts on the trigger I think that would be an awesome trigger for me to go with as well thank you for what you do you are awesome I really do enjoy your content have an awesome day and happy shooting
@Bullets4Bucks
@Bullets4Bucks 4 жыл бұрын
That's weird.. I got a howa oryx 6mm creedmoor straight factory no mods with factory hornady black it shoots .25 moa all day.
@rdsii64
@rdsii64 2 жыл бұрын
I know this is an old video, but how hard was it to get the factory barrel off?
@LastCaress7
@LastCaress7 4 жыл бұрын
Im a huge Howa fan. I shoot 2 in precision matches. Howa Bravo 6.5CM and How mini in the Oryx in 6.5 Grendel. Both drill provided i do my job lol. My 6.5CM is a pinch over 1300rnds and still shooting .4 Bummer on your experience. But i understand “things dont go as planned”
@Ultimatereloader
@Ultimatereloader 4 жыл бұрын
You've got some great results there!
@J-Wan320
@J-Wan320 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome build! Did you get a chance to check out IBI's carbon fiber barrels at Showshot? I'm looking forward to getting one when they're released.
@Ultimatereloader
@Ultimatereloader 4 жыл бұрын
I'll have to check that out!
@fatboy20010fatboy
@fatboy20010fatboy 2 жыл бұрын
What's the overall weight as she sits Gavin? I like the Howa and your decision to use Brownell's program... I'm considering a 6.5 Creedmoor but the chassis available are pretty much geared towards PRS or range application...Can you suggest someone that has designed a frame that has kept the hunter in mind as well as the long range target geometry? I don't care much for plastic or these synthetic type stocks...Iprefer machined aluminum or magnesium...strong but light weight..I don't really want to be lugging around a boat anchor and would like to keep it in the 7 1/2lb range, less the scope and rings... I've looked at Bergara, X Bolt, Tikka, Sako, Daniel Defense, Vanguard and Ruger as well as Howa and I like what your doing with the project.. They all seem to have they're little idiosyncrasies and quirks when it comes to design and functionality, which may or may not effect the end user to a detriment but I think the Howa gives one a good solid foundation to begin with, provided accuracy isn't one of those caveats? Let me know what you think Gavin...perhaps you can steer me in the right direction here... by the by....those were some pretty tight groups you put together...
@stevenberta940
@stevenberta940 2 жыл бұрын
I think I would make pillars for bedding. Then bed in stages as necessary. Thats how I bedded my cz550.
@jdg5682
@jdg5682 Жыл бұрын
It would be very interesting to see how much you could improve the accuracy on that howa barrel by blueprinting it and seeing if you can save the barrel I know howas to be good shooters so I assume there something wrong with that barrel.
@dukedenarie5858
@dukedenarie5858 2 жыл бұрын
You mentioned measuring the lam (probably not spelled correctly) and my question is, if you’re ordering a custom barrel or a prefit or what have you. What do I need to measure or do before I choose a reamer and the bore and anything else
@jonlennon3348
@jonlennon3348 4 жыл бұрын
I have never heard of International barrels. Where are they from? Are they on par with Kreiger or Bartlein?
@raywhitehead730
@raywhitehead730 Жыл бұрын
Interesting, I have a Howa HS Precision. In 308. Its very accurate. Got it for $910. A few years back. Its my loaner rifle for hunting deer. coupled with a vortex scope. Its very good.
@lrlapua8035
@lrlapua8035 4 жыл бұрын
I wish I could add a picture on here, I have a Ruger Predator in 6 Creed with 108 ELDM's that shoots in the .3's.....
@bryanmarks4070
@bryanmarks4070 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Gavin I have a Howa 1500 in 6.5 creed. How did you do the lug lapping?
@ryanrich9186
@ryanrich9186 Жыл бұрын
Oddly enough, I am having the exact same issue with my 700 barrel in 308... put it together and I can't get it to group to save my life... the first couple dozen groups were around 16" after retorquing everything and rechecking, I got it down to 6" groups. And it's seemed to shrink with every shot... 400 rounds deep and I'm grouping around 3"... groups seem to be shrinking but I find it odd that I can't get a decent group on it, I've been working every few days for about an hour or so for about a month now. Could be a bad barrel but it could simply be me out of practice....
@joeysweet9045
@joeysweet9045 4 жыл бұрын
Awsome job Gavin! I been thinking about getting a 6mm creedmoor what budget rifle do you recommend at around $1,000? What do you think about Tikka actions I have a tikka t3 ctr 6.5 creedmoor for target shooting and a Tikka t3 300winmag for hunting and the tikka action is like butter I like the Tikka action better than the Howa action but to each their own I figure you know rifle tech a heck of a lot better than me!
@Mike-xi4zt
@Mike-xi4zt Жыл бұрын
Tikka is the winner.
@duggydo
@duggydo 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t have a Howa, but when you mentioned the action screw was in the recoil lug I had to rewind to make sure I heard you correctly. I then googled some images to confirm. I really don’t like that design. I’m impressed that you were able to fiddle with it and get it to shoot groups though. I fear that over time it will cause more problems though. Keep us up to date. 👍🏻
@christopherbenfield7848
@christopherbenfield7848 4 жыл бұрын
Theres nothing wrong with that sort of design. A few other rifles have done it with no issue. you may have heard of them. Mauser 98, 03 Springfield, 1917 Enfield, and Ruger M77. They just require a change to technique. Bedding under the chamber portion for about an inch removes almost all the barrel movement.
@williamjohnson2896
@williamjohnson2896 4 жыл бұрын
Actually this is a better system, blind bottom hole and more threads in contact. Any guard screw going under the locking lug recess is by nature weaker and can result in not getting the action open after tightening the screw, or getting it closes after tightening with the action open. The bedding is another issue but eh Howa is inherently stiffer than a Remington 700 reciever as is the Model 70 and Springfield. Still bedding a couple inces of barrel (not a switchbarrel rig) does the trick. Would still like to see the action fully blueprinted and old barrel cut off and refitted, just maybe that barrel was suffering from maladies not of it's own making. Food for thought. Talk to Dave at PTG about Gen II blueprint tools for the Howa.
@christopherbenfield7848
@christopherbenfield7848 4 жыл бұрын
@@williamjohnson2896 Thats what I use for the howa's I build. That and McGowen now makes a quick change barrel nut for the Howa action
@marcdenis6466
@marcdenis6466 4 жыл бұрын
Where did you end up on jump distance to the lands?
@fatman8x57
@fatman8x57 4 жыл бұрын
I have a Howa 1500 heavy barrel 300wing mag in a bedded boyds stock that I cant get to group either. Will occasionally squeeze out a sub MOA 3 shot group with it so it meets the accuracy guarantee but it has never shot a 5 shot group sub moa. Trying to decide to rebarrel or unload it.
@billstevens5277
@billstevens5277 4 жыл бұрын
.300 WinMags are notorious for having too much freebore. Have you measured yours?
@fatman8x57
@fatman8x57 4 жыл бұрын
@@billstevens5277 I've done some rough measurements. With 208 grain ELDs I would have to seat them longer than the mag would allow to get then to touch the lands. All bullets I have experimented with have to be seated way farther than SAAMI spec to reach the lands or even get close
@wvjeffrey7534
@wvjeffrey7534 4 жыл бұрын
Is is worth building off of action like the Ruger American or Remington 783 ?
@MegaPoxie
@MegaPoxie 4 жыл бұрын
One thing I have noticed when firing with a suppressor that has a heavy barrel drastically reduced in diameter at the crown (I see you used a 5/8 24 thread), when firing a 5 shot group the first 2 shots are 1/4" and then the group opens up after that to around 1/2". I have removed the suppressor and done the same test with all landing in a 1/4 MOA. I repeated the test letting the barrel/suppressor cool after each shot and again 1/4". I figured with all that meat removed there was something going on at the crown in the way of movement and I got the barrel re-threaded, removing as little material as practical, which made a real difference with just over a 1/4 with a 5 shot group. Something to consider trying!
@Tantrum791
@Tantrum791 4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see toy try krg's new adjustable buttstock coming out ~ Feb 20th!!
@dgreenapple
@dgreenapple 4 жыл бұрын
Your skills and investment of time and knowledge are amazing. Kudos. That said, I would just by a Christensen Arms, Seekins Precision from the start and get a superior quality rifle that doesn't need upgrades. It seems kind of a waste to buy a rifle and then buy it again with a new custom barrel, trigger, etc.
@zachwebber7963
@zachwebber7963 4 жыл бұрын
The Ship of Theseus basically asks the question, how much of a ship can you replace before it's no longer the same boat? The Howa of Gavin asks, how much of a howa 1500 can you rebuild before it is no longer a howa?
@Ultimatereloader
@Ultimatereloader 4 жыл бұрын
Zach Webber i’ll tell you what, one of my main motivations with this project was specifically to do a build with a HOWA action for me it’s important to know all of the platforms as a Gunsmith… Having said that, I thought this rifle would shoot better than it did it and I was thinking to re-barrel with a different cartridge but it worked out this way and I’m happy now.
@davejones6006
@davejones6006 2 жыл бұрын
How did you get an IBI barrel into the US with the stupid ITAR rules? Just got a Howa HCR in 6mm as well and it isn’t shooting that great. Took cheap Cabela’s Covenant Scope off and put Vortex HST on off my Lapua and we’ll see how that goes. Also gonna cut 1 1/3 coils off trigger spring to bring that down. Hopefully this will fix my issues as I don’t have all the tools and know how you have! I did manage to swap the barrel on my Savage 10TR .308 with a McGowan prefit from Mystic Precision which worked out well though!
@nebraskaman8247
@nebraskaman8247 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I never knew, and just found out recently. It is highly advised not to thread smaller than 5/8” threads on the muzzle. Was told my a very prominent, and well known gunsmith, that doing so can cause the bore to open up. Resulting in bad accuracy. Sometimes when I’m looking at just off the shelf rifles, you’ll see some manufacturers will follow this guideline. Some not.
@LuisSuarez06
@LuisSuarez06 4 жыл бұрын
Do a bergara premier barreled action from brownells.
@Bill-v650
@Bill-v650 4 жыл бұрын
The howa action sounds like one of those that you might wanna bed the first 1-2" of barrel on...
@ssswdon
@ssswdon Жыл бұрын
Did you have to-do any trueing on the action where the barrel seats ?
@ThinkSoberly
@ThinkSoberly 8 ай бұрын
So if you could do it again, instead of purchasing the barreled action from Howa what would you have rather spent your money on for the same end goal?
@rdsii64
@rdsii64 2 жыл бұрын
Did you have any problems with the AICS magazine with the howa 1500 action?
@GHC2750
@GHC2750 3 жыл бұрын
Can you do a review on the Delta Stryker
@jazzprakash7563
@jazzprakash7563 4 жыл бұрын
when are you going to do the video on the 6.5 PRC bedding the scope rail rings
@Ultimatereloader
@Ultimatereloader 4 жыл бұрын
Still catching up from SHOT and Gordy's Class in Dec. LOTS COMING!!!!!
@farmerjoebrown2189
@farmerjoebrown2189 2 жыл бұрын
So is the front screw bore square to the recoil lug and the action?
@Not-the-only-one
@Not-the-only-one 4 жыл бұрын
Great informative video’s. With all the machinists equipment you have, you should go into business making rifles. I’d buy one from you with your attention to detail
@conservativesniperhunter7439
@conservativesniperhunter7439 4 жыл бұрын
Hey can have my money 💰 too lol .
@LunaRendezvous
@LunaRendezvous 4 жыл бұрын
I modified my HACT trigger with a Gunbloke spring kit, a little cheaper than the Timney unit.
@Ultimatereloader
@Ultimatereloader 4 жыл бұрын
I looked into that and talked to Gunbloke, but haven't heard back from him :)
@LunaRendezvous
@LunaRendezvous 4 жыл бұрын
@@Ultimatereloader I bought a 1lb and a 1.5lb kit, I'll send you the 1lb item if you want, I've never shot a Timney, but have thousands of rounds through olympic match airguns so know what a good trigger feels like, the HACT is NOT in that league but is quite nice when modded.
@grizzlygames541
@grizzlygames541 4 жыл бұрын
I build a lot of guns from howa actions. I think the rifle basix varmint trigger is a better trigger. Set at one pound.
@michaelmeyers1827
@michaelmeyers1827 4 жыл бұрын
I was going to get a howa american flag whole rifle. And I think they're phasing them out. So I ended up going the same route you went I got a barreled action from brownells and one of the last 100 that howa had. Can you tell me what clip you use. Mike
@cksdesertrat489
@cksdesertrat489 4 жыл бұрын
YO, what happened to the rest of the 6.5 PRC? We need to see load development and results to see if its worth considering over 6.5 Creed. What kind of COAL and magazines, you know all that stuff.
@Ultimatereloader
@Ultimatereloader 4 жыл бұрын
It's snowing and raining every day here- believe me I'M ITCHING TO GET OUT THERE AND SHOOT 😀 - as soon as weather clears up- 6 CREED, 6.5 PRC, 300 PRC, and more!
@nebraskaman8247
@nebraskaman8247 2 жыл бұрын
Personally don’t have near the machining tools that you do, although I did learn the hard way…if you really want a rifle that shoots very very consistently…call the best smith you can find and build it how they say would prob be best. Not a fan of “custom shops either”. Very few custom shops actually will build a rifle like you demonstrated. In your case, you got all the equipment, and a good knowledge base to take care of it yourself.
@Ocdoutdoors
@Ocdoutdoors 4 жыл бұрын
Hmm.. you have me thinking on rebarreling my savage 243 into 6 creed. Can it be done ? Nicely done Gavin.
@Mike-xi4zt
@Mike-xi4zt Жыл бұрын
I shoot 243 1 in 8 twist Shilen 26 inch stainless. Have shot groups equal to the 6mm creedmore. dropped a coyote today about 300 yards with it. Yes you can rebarrel savages and pick what ever cartridge fits the length of your action.
@Tantrum791
@Tantrum791 4 жыл бұрын
Once you get it all ironed I'd like to hear your take on a 6 creed vs 6.5 creed. I currently shoot a 6.5 and have an itch to try a 6 just curious to what I would give up and what I would benefit, in your opinion..?
@geologik7500
@geologik7500 4 жыл бұрын
Are you wanting to shoot factory ammo or are you reloading? 6 creed is a barrel burner and there are better 6mm options if you reload. You'll shave a little recoil but that's about it, You could go Dasher, XC, BRA, 6GT, 6x47
@Tantrum791
@Tantrum791 4 жыл бұрын
@@geologik7500 I am reloading. Not sure about the others, will they all cycle through aics mag reliably? Is 6 creed more aggressive than a 243 on barrels?
@goneballistic
@goneballistic 4 жыл бұрын
Less recoil, less barrel life. Easier to spot shots, uses less powder. Not sure which is cheaper when you're counting barrel costs
@doren8491
@doren8491 4 жыл бұрын
When you show your go-nogo gauges they say 6.5 crmoor (9:13 min) not 6. Did I miss your explanation on them? Help me understand please? Thx
@pbgd3
@pbgd3 3 жыл бұрын
My guess would be since he had the barrel maker tweak his chamber that they modified a set of factory gauges for him. Since gauges must be very preciserhey are hard to make from scratch much easier to grind a factory gauge to a new smaller spec than machine one precisely then harden and then grind to shape.
@Toyrsi
@Toyrsi 4 жыл бұрын
Best trigger for the Howa 1500 is the Jard.
@saintnick8290
@saintnick8290 4 жыл бұрын
I love my Howa rifles. Own 2 in 6.5 CM and 308 and they shoot lights out. My question is with your machining skills why are you messing with a factory Howa otc barreled action.?
@johnygreen81
@johnygreen81 4 жыл бұрын
DId you try lapping the barrel? I've seen huge improvements in new barrels after lapping.
@johnygreen81
@johnygreen81 4 жыл бұрын
Never mind, with that much free bore lapping would have only made things worse. Great info.
@Ultimatereloader
@Ultimatereloader 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly! :)
@tonygslc801
@tonygslc801 4 жыл бұрын
Why are we not using preferred barrel blanks? Get a hold of Logan (Westdesertshooter) he can hook you up with what you need. But I'm sure you already know this? 👊😎🇺🇸
@Ultimatereloader
@Ultimatereloader 4 жыл бұрын
Already working on it :)
@karlschauff7989
@karlschauff7989 2 жыл бұрын
I'm thankful my Howa 1500 6.5 PRC doesn't have this issue. Must be an issue with their 6 Creeds?
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