What better: running two 2piston calipers or a single 4piston caliper on the rear ?
@paulmunday55523 жыл бұрын
I prefer the 6 pots. Rebuild about 4 sets over the years most on TL1000 and Zx7r. Yes they do take more to look after but when you rebuild and bleed them properly they are amazing.
@Classicmotorbikes3 жыл бұрын
I think I’m with you Paul, when they are working you can’t beat the 6 pots 😎
@davebalaam2 жыл бұрын
I had Tokico 6-pots on a Kawasaki ZRX 1200 and rebuilt them, new seals, new pads, (and added braided lines), the whole nine yards. Perfectly adequate for the road, but when I did a track-day I cooked them to the point where I had major brake fade and had to end my session early. Replaced them with Nissin 4-pots (again, newly rebuilt, new pads) and the difference was night-and-day. The 4-pots anchored on so much firmer, with better feel, and don't overheat on track... absolutely the best thing I've done to my bike. Obviously, what's great for me isn't necessarily going to be good for someone else, but that was my own experience of them. 🙂
@Horus69ss Жыл бұрын
6 pots are beautiful. Well maintained , fully rebuild and I never had any problems. And a feel of them is spot on.
@jefferyboring44103 жыл бұрын
I’ve rode both and feel the 4 pot is better feel and more progressive they have a big and small piston and that helps with initial bite. The 4 is more controlled. I have no problem with bleeding with either. HH pads are a must don’t buy cheap pads
@andrewwasson61532 жыл бұрын
I’ve got a 1985 GSXR750 that I’ve been riding since January 1986. About 13 or 14 years ago, I put on 3rd generation USD forks and 17” rims with the Nissin 4 pot calipers and 1st Gen Hayabusa master cylinders. The 4 pot were pretty good. Good stopping power and decent feel. I swapped the 4 pot calipers for 6 pot calipers about 6 years ago and am happy with them for sure. They bleed well and have not caused me any concerns. Ive got steel braided lines as well so that improves the feel. I primarily I ride in the spring, summer, fall and tend not to ride in the rain.
@ady13973 жыл бұрын
I've got 6 pots on one of my zx9r's and they've been fine with regular maintenance. Stripped and reassembled a few times with no issues. My other zx9r had 6 pots on and I just couldn't get a decent lever. Swapped to 4 pots and were perfect in 5 minutes.
@Classicmotorbikes3 жыл бұрын
Hey Ady, I think you summarise the problems and success people have with the different calipers perfectly
@The123slingshot3 жыл бұрын
I rode slingshot 1100's for years, i love the 6 pots on my K2 but the 1100 was heavy. Had my k2 for 19 years and haven't had to strip the brakes. Fluid changes and braided hoses. Summer riding though. Good 4 pots Nissin brakes a good but i was forever stripping them. they had to be on the 1100 all that weight
@mattjones1992 Жыл бұрын
If you want the creme de la creme. Track down the Nissin 6 pots as fitted to the Zx7rr
@grandpa583 жыл бұрын
This comment my seem a bit out of the blue, but I really like your laid-back style!! Thanks for the vid.
@markstewart78883 жыл бұрын
6 pots on my zx12 and 12 bandit, looked after with the right pads perfect. swopped over to 4 pots nissin on my gxsr1100 not as much bite but that maybe down to pads. First thing i always do on a new bike is split the calipers new seals no problems.
@Classicmotorbikes3 жыл бұрын
Hey Mark, thanks for sharing your experiences. What pads do you use?
@markstewart78883 жыл бұрын
@@Classicmotorbikes Goldfren sintered on the 6 pots and nissin padds on the 4 pots
@TheWhisky81 Жыл бұрын
Swapped my 6 pots from my zx9 to nissin 4 pots, was sick to death of putting new seals in them, you only need to get caught in the rain twice and the dust seals are out, didn't notice any extra stopping power but just the fact they require far less maintenance is good enough for me, when overhauling the tokico's do one side at a time whilst leaving the other side fully bled up on the bike, if you try bleeding these up together after a overhaul when there both bone dry you'll be in for a long night.
@flamintasty4 ай бұрын
I’ve had both. The conclusion I came to was this; even rebuilt 6 pot calipers with new pistons and seals, are still crap afterwards. They’re better than before, but a fully rebuilt 4 pot caliper is better than the fully rebuilt 6 pot caliper. Hands down the 4 pot caliper wins.
@rochewijnaar53743 жыл бұрын
the 6 pods mostly come with slightly bigger pads , that's basically one of the biggest upgrade
@bccapone8376 ай бұрын
I have a 5/8 master cylinder with 6 pot calipers as stock but I want nissin 4 pots so can I run the four pots with the stock 15.8mm / 5/8 master cylinder without any problems . It's only for the maintenance side of things
@unknownsmoother3 жыл бұрын
i prefer 4 pots, i don't like the ''lag'' with 6 pots when you start to press the pump and bike start to brake, maybe i just need to bleed it better, but it happen on different bikes... 6 pots have more surface for breaking force than 4 pots, so it should brake better, but nowadays 4 pots can lock easily the front wheel, we mostly seen 6 pots on 90's bike when the brake pads wasn't so good as today
@Classicmotorbikes3 жыл бұрын
You are right, so many variables when it comes to brakes, the different types of pads can make a massive difference as well.
@zzzpip3 жыл бұрын
my nissins came off a triumph, they are much better on my busa than the 6pots.
@Classicmotorbikes3 жыл бұрын
Hey zzzpip, I've seen a few people use the triumph callipers as they don't fetch the same premium as the Nissin branded ones.
@noelmason23053 жыл бұрын
@@Classicmotorbikes some are branded Triumph and some Nissin but the Tokico 6 pot calipers are not rated by brake experts and I did a lot of research. That’s why the Triumph Super 3 used Alcon 6’s cus the Tok’s are just to much bother 👍🏼
@Alex-JS13 жыл бұрын
I had 2 srad, a 600 with a tokico's 4 pots (witch i replaced by nissin's 4 pots later on), and 750 with 6 pots, and honestly i'ts quit the same to me. The real different was when i replaced the genuine master cylinder by a Beringer BR14. The feeling was way better on both srad's, appart from the number of pots. Actually I have a 1000k3 with radial calipers, 4 pots and individual brake pads by pot, this is what I call decent brakes !!
@Classicmotorbikes3 жыл бұрын
Hey Alex, thanks for letting us your experiences, I love the brakes on Bill’s K5 1000 they really slow you down quickly!
@heatz7113 жыл бұрын
6 pots and dust seals in the bin never a problem
@Classicmotorbikes3 жыл бұрын
Hi Dave, Thanks for letting us know you feelings 😎👍
@CptSlow892 жыл бұрын
I have ridden my Kawasaki EX500 without dust seals for 10 years without any problems.
@simonmears17263 жыл бұрын
Got a pair of Gold 6 pot tok s replaced 4 pots on 1250 bandit which got brake fade went braided lines hyubusa master cylinder love em strong feel in lever a 5 year old couid change the pads easy bleed push air up line
@Classicmotorbikes3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the insight Simon, always good to hear other peoples experiences 👍
@grahamhider37543 жыл бұрын
4 pots four me ❤️👍🏍🔧
@Classicmotorbikes3 жыл бұрын
Good to hear Graham 👍
@BorisKarloff663 жыл бұрын
Personally I have only used the 4 pot's, they feel just fine to me Would you use pattern parts for brake refurbishment or only original, and what Pads would you recommend Cheers for the video
@Icem4n843 жыл бұрын
Personally I'd use originals. I used pattern on some forks (dust and oil seals) and within a week they were leaking. I complained and they sent me some new ones. These new ones lasted 2 weeks before leaking!! I had now done the job 2 times and was wondering if I had a bigger issue. I bit the bullet and bought the Suzuki seals to the tune of £60. (The pattern ones were £15). 4 years later, and 3 fork strip downs, they haven't leaked once! With brakes I wouldn't personally take that chance. You as the consumer do not know the quality of the materials used to manufacture the seals and more often than not, you get what you pay for.
@BorisKarloff663 жыл бұрын
@@Icem4n84 cheers Steve. I think I will go the original route
@markstewart78883 жыл бұрын
@@BorisKarloff66 fork seals oem everytime but brake seals iv never had a pattern seal leak yet.
@Classicmotorbikes3 жыл бұрын
Hey buddy, brake seals I’ve used plenty of pattern stuff over the years and not had any issues, but don’t think you can beat genuine 👍
@CptSlow892 жыл бұрын
I never had much sucess with that tie on lever to rid of all air in the system. It is good for few hours and then its back again. I have VFR750, brakes are good, but after I pump the lever, I can notice that sometimes is stiffer. So I guess there is some tiny air bubbles inside. I tried to unscrew the banjo bolt at the master but that didn't help.
@theant982113 күн бұрын
Exactly its not a solution at all, the fluid absorbs the air under pressure but it separates back into small bubbles of air soon afterwards especially if it gets hot. After hearing all the horror stories i bought k1 gsxr1000 expecting brakes to be crap and they're pretty good, might change the master cylinder but the calipers my mission will be keeping them clean. Taking them off atleast once a year and cleaning them thoroughly.
@YouCantSawSawdust3 күн бұрын
Someone tell me the theory behind tieing the brake lever back to the bar overnight, then having the air magically bleeding itself out by the next day. Do your best.
@sraesr25 Жыл бұрын
Got 4 pots on my f3 and work great, recently bout a mk2 bandit 1200 with 6 pots, brake lever comes back to the handle bars, bled the system thoroughly from the calipers nipples, braided lines on calipers and master cylinder, still sh*t
@TheStephenspann2711 ай бұрын
is your lever set to position "1" ?
@32jennywren2 жыл бұрын
New master cylinder, new hoses, new seals in 6 pots and lever still right back to the bar. Bled and pushed pads back again so definitely no air. Any ideas?
@jojonels Жыл бұрын
just complete stab in the dark here, have you tried bleeding it from the master cylinder? sometimes airs can get trapped in the master cylinder when other seems to have been completely bled. if so, the only solution is the hydraulic ratio of the pistons, let me know how it goes. nels
@vprince99072 жыл бұрын
Whats best front and rear wheel master cylinder to use with your 4 pot calipers?
@vainparasite3 жыл бұрын
Any as long as they work. 6 pots if you can bleed them properly 4 pots if you can't 🤣👍
@Classicmotorbikes3 жыл бұрын
I think this sums it up pretty well! 😱
@ukstuartpatterson5 ай бұрын
6 pots for me are superior in all ways. I think today we have become lazy and expect bike parts to perform like a car - ie keep working for years and years without maintainence.... I think its due to rubber dust seal BOOTS that cars have. Plus a bike isn't used like a car and there's an EXPECATION that a rider will service correctly and keep that bike tip top.... I suspect newer riders will have no expectation to throw some love on the bike. Bleeding brakes can be a nightmare sometimes - I think folk are struggling with them mounted in situ. I bleed them off the fork leg - so I can maniuplate the air flow in cavities etc and get every last bit out of the bleed nipple. Just need to remember to take the space of the brake disc up by inserting something to stop the pistons popping out. Ive never had to back bleed. Never needed to use the cable tie method. I do use a manual vacuum pump and that makes it easy to do. Technically the surface area of friction is directly proportional the braking performance.... imagine a heavy van with little bike brake discs and calipers - it'd be dangerous.
@simonhindley79303 жыл бұрын
4 pots, remember taking 6 pots off a gixer thou race bike cause they were cack 👊
@Classicmotorbikes3 жыл бұрын
I always found them ok, but then again I only ride them on the road
@rimcir3 жыл бұрын
4 pots on mine,prefer 6 had on CBR much better feel.
@Classicmotorbikes3 жыл бұрын
Hi Rimas, thank you for sharing your experiences.
@rimcir3 жыл бұрын
Rear break is the worst for sticking, need to use caliper grease , will last 2 years.
@robertoburromiapanino26593 жыл бұрын
All Tokico calipers (including your 6potters) have the piston recepticles machined after paint or anodising and the raw aluminium is prone to corrode quickly with any moisture trapped in hygroscopic brake fluid, Nissins are anodised inside and out. I shouted my '90 gsxr11 (owned since new) a set of braided lines for it's 25th birthday, never once replaced or topped up fluid in that time and they were corrosion free when I cleaned them out. Have same Nissins on 3 other project bikes and they are all fine internally despite looking manky when I bought them from wreckers/ebay etc. Performance wise, f all difference. more to do with pad/disc material combo. I live in oz so no salt/ice to deal with but seriously, who wants to clean calipers and replace fluid every 12 months especially with the price of silicone fluid? I'll take the Nissins every time.
@Classicmotorbikes3 жыл бұрын
Hi Roberto, thank you for insight with the different brake callipers, you learn something new very day! I'm impressed with the 25 year old brake lines and fluid. how much is the brake fluid in oz? I use Dot4 and can get 5L for around £25.
@robertoburromiapanino26593 жыл бұрын
@@Classicmotorbikes Dot4 is cheap as chips mate, similar to yours but the full silicone dot5 (not 5.1, it's still glycol based) is about 15pound in your money for a half litre. It's worth every penny though, won't hurt paint, non-hygroscopic and lasts forever. You MUST MUST MUST thouroughly clean all components before using it, mixed with any glycol based fluids, it turns to jelly and that won't end well! I've read comments that don't recommend it with abs systems but silicone is one of the most inert fluids you'll find and I've never had a single issue with the stuff on any of my bikes. I'd bet my lefty the issues come from blokes mixing the two types.
@Adikxx3 жыл бұрын
4 pots all the way
@Classicmotorbikes3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for letting us know 👍
@charlesscottkelly3 жыл бұрын
Nice one.
@Classicmotorbikes3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words 😎
@baaadmofo Жыл бұрын
BLINK, man. gosh.
@simonmallia20513 жыл бұрын
dust seal removal is stupid if its dragging on that seal then replace ...both the calibers are getting on now but the nissin is a better caliber the tokico are cheaply made and the finish is not as good ... the seal removal has come from race application the for mentioned is not a top end race unit that are designed to not have them..... its not as easy as my fg322 ohlins forks the ohlins seal is low friction thats grate for performance but not so good for retaining oil in the fork leg ... i use brembo gp4,s on one of my bikes and have brembo m50s on my sdr there a world apart it really is a case of you pay your money you get your goods
@Classicmotorbikes3 жыл бұрын
Hey buddy, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I think if I was ever going to get some aftermarket calipers I’d give the HEL ones a try or if the budget allowed some PFM
@odgeUK3 жыл бұрын
I think the dust seals are removed when they are binding because you don't have to remove the pistons, so it's a quick win for fixing binding brakes. And then of course, no-one bothers to go back later and remove the brakes and replace the dust seals, because everything appears to be working fine.