[640] Get the Most From Your Disc Detainer Pick

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LockPickingLawyer

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@zahven 3 жыл бұрын

Before the days of “the pick Bosnian Bill and I made”

@plebisMaximus 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking.

@magenlin 2 жыл бұрын

If he only knew....

@hacksxor 2 жыл бұрын

What happened exactly?

@chrisconnors8513 2 жыл бұрын

@@hacksxor sparrows disc pick

@cd5steve Жыл бұрын

Got one. Now to find a lock to practice on

@johntheexplainer 6 жыл бұрын

I think one of the scariest hurdles for the beginner lock picker is accepting that the tools you buy don't necessarily perform to their potential or even work out of the box, be it finishing/polishing pin-tumbler picks or taking a file to a disc-detainer tool like this. It's intimidating to spend money on these shiny new items, wait for them to arrive, then start hacking them up!

@thatsimonguygmail 3 жыл бұрын

"The LockPickingLawyer - helping to redistribute bicycles everywhere with KZfaq access"

@zac08 4 жыл бұрын

While waiting for Sparrows to finally launch the tool you and Bill designed, I went to buy one of these cheap chinese tool to try and learn a bit more about how to pick such locks. And thanks for your guide, it is definitely necessary to file it down slightly to get it to work properly. Finally managed to pick a cheap chinese lock in a couple of minutes. Once the tool (you guys made) is in the stores, I would definitely get one...

@gooch1059 Жыл бұрын

Hey the chinese tool you have it it the GOSO brand?

@lucacolonnesi 3 жыл бұрын

ok, you're a lawyer, one of the most skilled lockPickers in the world, a machiner and finally a goldsmith. great job!

@SaltyMafugga 2 жыл бұрын

I followed these instructions to a T and my pick works wonderfully, thanks!

@chadfelix2132 10 ай бұрын

This video helped me alot. Watched it and made a pick with a screw and copper tube. Don't know if I could do it again, but I picked the lock in under a minute.

@CichlidStyleForums 5 жыл бұрын

Simply the best video for disc detainer picks. I was getting so frustrated with mine until I saw this my tip is spinning and the head is massive. Time to modify! Thanks for easing my frustrations!

@skygh 6 жыл бұрын

That was timely & very helpful as I recently bought this tool and realized in a blink I'd by modifying it soon. Your tips will be very helpful. I'd like to know where you got the other similar tools you have. I can't thank you enough!

@Jake1973_ 6 жыл бұрын

I've decided to make my own. Thanks a ton for the dimensions on the pick head, should cut down on "tweaking" time.

@lollllloro 4 жыл бұрын

3:30 "from the tip to the top of... the tip" :)

@55ATA3 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for making videos like this. Its hard to start out picking Disk Detainer locks when the tools we can buy are sold in a design that will not even fit in the lock.

@chrisstephens805 6 жыл бұрын

Love the videos. However it is frustrating how good you are I'm sitting here trying to pick pin tumbler locks and you make it look so easy lol

@peppern79 6 жыл бұрын

Perfect timing for this video. I ordered that $5 Disc Detainer pick a few days ago :)

@lockpickinglawyer 6 жыл бұрын

Good luck with it.

@peppern79 6 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to it. I always tinker and tune my tools to fit my purposes but it would have taken me a while to come up with what you're showing here.

@recklessroges 6 жыл бұрын

LPL, the Dean of LockPicking University. Thank you for another excellent video tutorial.

@robertclark3258 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Great help. I wish KZfaq offered a "Really, Really Like" option.

@lockpickinglawyer 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks. 👍

@dirksecrets 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this great video. Fantastic as always.

@mickenoss 6 жыл бұрын

I shall refer to you as Sensei from now on, you got some skills dude.

@lockpickinglawyer 6 жыл бұрын

☺️

@Freddie_06 2 жыл бұрын

I love how only lpl commented here.

@AlbertLebel 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much, this is exactly what I was searching for. I just bought one and it looks just like that. Now I will try to modify it. I simply want to give these locks a try

@QuiDocetDiscit 4 жыл бұрын

Brilliant! Very intelligent tutorial. You had my rapt attention for every second. Thank you for posting!😊👍👍👍

@dexter13601 6 жыл бұрын

Really informative. Thanks for a great video. Looking for a disk detainer lock pick now.

@danielroglich3309 4 жыл бұрын

Great video brother. Been thinking about taking the plunge into disc detainers and found this video to be very helpful . Thanks again !

@LizGeoff55 6 жыл бұрын

Quality video LPL and quality advice, Kudos to you

@justingauche6475 5 жыл бұрын

Always helpful for us in locksport. Thank you.

@tctc0nsulting 6 жыл бұрын

Great video, thanks for the step by step explanation and demonstration.

@Yellowsnow1 6 жыл бұрын

You need to get talking to someone to start making and selling your own equipment 👍🏼🙏🏼

@MukatoShishio 6 жыл бұрын

Yellow Snow agreed! Take the specs of the tool you have as it exists now and sell it on Banggood

@tele_graf 5 жыл бұрын

Pen jamin maybe, but it would help people who cant build their own tools

@penjamin5037 5 жыл бұрын

Tele_Graf people who can’t make their own tools? I don’t understand. Like the limbless and tetraplegics?

@maltestoever3633 5 жыл бұрын

@@penjamin5037 Idiot

@penjamin5037 5 жыл бұрын

asdf asdf idiot? idiots can’t make their own tools? I tend to agree with you.

@AThreeDogNight 5 жыл бұрын

That helped a lot on my understanding. Thanks LPL., Harry.

@ernestmurphy3898 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your experience.

@Swynndla 6 жыл бұрын

Extremely helpful. Thank you!

@KevinBreenMalwareGeek 5 жыл бұрын

Just getting in to DD Picking, starting with a cheap pick set so this helped me out a lot thanks :)

@Spyder2384 6 жыл бұрын

Very helpful, now to try these mods on mine. Thanks LPL!

@khaitomretro 6 жыл бұрын

I slightly flatten the round pick shaft so that the grub screws can clamp it more securely.

@lockpickinglawyer 6 жыл бұрын

Good idea... as long as it’s still strong enough. 👍

@getphuked2 4 жыл бұрын

I thought I would look to see if someone had already said this before I did ;-)

@brianhignett8954 6 жыл бұрын

Hi Harry, Not only are you completely on top of dimple locks, but also disc detainers. The info here is extremely helpful, and it's obvious you have put a lot of time into these locks, and the necessary mods to the picks themselves - more power to you! Regards, Brian.

@lockpickinglawyer 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks... it’s fun to push myself.

@markferguson3365 Жыл бұрын

Excellent tip about slightly rotating the spinner and the first disk!

@AlbertLebel 6 жыл бұрын

I have not advanced to this level yet, but I appreciate this fantastic explanation of how to.

@aiden287 6 жыл бұрын

Great video mate. I have one of these, but I've never been successful with it, and I guess these issues could be why. Cheers! :)

@gazwilliams1629 5 жыл бұрын

Hi LPL, first off thanks for all your great vids, always to the point and pro! I was just wondering about the rear tentioning version of this type of Chinese pick and your thoughts. On what can it be used and of so how to make similar mods. Keep up the good work 👍

@lockhenge1752 6 жыл бұрын

This is the best disc pick mod vid I've seen.. and you didn't break anything.. 👍👍

@johnkoury1116 7 ай бұрын

Fantastic!!! Thank you for sharing this information..

@ttrrs_o3498 6 жыл бұрын

KRYPTO either loves you or has distain for you,really interesting,thanks for your openest.

@Otis884 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info.

@Caelio 2 жыл бұрын

Many great tips that come from a lot of experience. 👍

@paulchaulk5305 6 жыл бұрын

Really helpful thank you for sharing LPL

@themadhatter4761 6 жыл бұрын

Great information, thanks for the video. 👍👍👍👍

@user-rw3qq2sr1z 5 жыл бұрын

Great info, LPL 👍

@penfold7800 4 жыл бұрын

Thankyou for explaining and demonstrating how small these tips need to be to be able to move through the tolerance gaps between the disc cuts. I'm also guessing that the flatter heads on the tension screws of your modified tool are much more comfortable than the round heads of the original. You could probably use the location pins from an injection moulding cast to make your own stronger tips too

@youtube.commentator 6 жыл бұрын

I love your videos, keep them up!

@keilerderechte 6 жыл бұрын

Yeah :) Would love to see him picking the tex-lock from germany!

@lockpickinglawyer 6 жыл бұрын

Keiler Darts Isn’t that just a rope? To be honest, I’ve really wanted to do some destructive testing, but can’t bring myself to pay $100 for a 3’ length of rope... even if it is German rope.

@keilerderechte 6 жыл бұрын

Hi, thanks for answering and your nice videos! :) Trust me, this isn't just a rope. It is really a german rope :D Yeah it's sad, that the inventors didn't connect a locking system directly to the invention, but it would be interesting to see, if it is safe in this configuration. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/feCVYLaQutXXimw.html Here you see tests in a german TV-show. TL;DW: 3 tests (Cutter, Heat, Lever) every test max. 2 minutes -> The pro fails to destroy it. The cutter and the burner get 2 layers each. Thats all. They show the production and the building of the invention. Different strings, with different strenghts (heatresistent, cuttingresistent etc.) combine the whole thing. But what they don't do: They do not try to destroy the eyeletes, or the lock itself, nor do they try to pick it. That would be interesting to see :)

5 жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mNOCnMmqz9C2k5s.html less than 40 sec to cut it, i really would have find that nice if that could have been better...

@sandi88 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for this video!! I have to buy one of these picking tools in order to unlock my disk brake as it locked it self completely and cannot be unlocket with the original key. Good thing that it happened not on the disk of the bike :) If it wasn't for your explanation, I would have struggled quite a lot to unlock it, if I could at all, since i have no wxperience in lock picking. Again, thanks a lot :)

@penfold7800 4 жыл бұрын

If the lock is locked, but not on the disc brake, then just throw it away. Cos if your key doesn't work then you can't practically use the lock itself.

@JollyPeanut 6 жыл бұрын

Very good info, Thanks

@Potti314 6 жыл бұрын

Very interesting - thanks a lot for your time to put this valuable information together. Do you have recommendations for other tools like this which come in better quality right from the factory?

@lockpickinglawyer 6 жыл бұрын

No... at least none that don’t cost several hundred $. ☹️ The nicer Chinese ones still require modifications.

@thumperlockpicking9269 6 жыл бұрын

GREAT Info

@einfachkommentieren 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting video. Wouldn't it be easier to file a hardened nail for your own purposes?

@MitsuomiTakayanagiEC 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing this info

@dexter323i 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you, you are a life saver! :) The next video could be for cheap chinese bottom tension disc detainer pick.

@lockpickinglawyer 6 жыл бұрын

The bottom tension tool is not salvageable... no way to fit it past profile discs. That said, I may do a video on making one for cheap with simple tools.

@murdoch451 6 жыл бұрын

thanks for the tips will mod and try again.

@fabts4 5 жыл бұрын

That's a really great video, I wish more taught us how to mod cheap hardware to get decent capabilities

@niccoloricardi4827 3 жыл бұрын

I love how you're from the US but still us millimeters

@Sciguy95 3 жыл бұрын

I get tired of how so many people here in the US are so stubborn, refusing to learn anything new and stuck on the idea that anything and everything that is done here is better than anywhere else.

@eyeamgodsubwincyclesnow0.080 3 жыл бұрын

@@Sciguy95 I'm from Florida and duck you

@RJ-or8bw 3 жыл бұрын

We use both. Mm, cm, inches, feet, yards. Same as the UK and Canada to varying degrees.

@yikersdawg8866 3 жыл бұрын

He is a wise man

@markf.4063 3 жыл бұрын

@@Sciguy95 Or maybe it's the fact that the Imperial System has two glaringly obvious benefits over the Metric system. 1) As far as real world applications when it comes to measuring small distances, the Imperial system is far more accurate. Once you get down past the MM the next unit of measure is what, the micrometer? That's a huge jump. With the Imperial system the inch is divisible to an almost infinite amount. 2) The second benefit, and my personal favorite, being that it really seems to piss off all the metric people.

@cyberfox981 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much, I have same tool in my toolbox, good to know that details =)

@gregf438 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your skills

@paulvalley2125 4 жыл бұрын

Great video. Very informative. What are you stays I'll be brave enough to try one of those spooky things.

@Biped 6 жыл бұрын

I found it really helpful to simply file a little bit of of the the outer (tensioning) part on two opposing sites so the big screws don't slip. It's also possible to just tighten them down more but you can assemble and disassemble it this way without tools so it's compact and easy to store/carry around.

@lockpickinglawyer 6 жыл бұрын

Good idea... 👍

@FusionDeveloper 6 жыл бұрын

If you mean different than in the video, then I don't understand.

@Thelothuo 6 жыл бұрын

+Jay H In the handle of the tool that the pick inside the lock is controlled with, two set screws clamp onto the pick to lock it to the control handle. Filing small flats on the pick where the set screws sit helps them lock to the handle.

@corriedunstan2668 6 жыл бұрын

Another great video Stephen! Keep it up bro.👍🏼

@lockpickinglawyer 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jessica.

@corriedunstan2668 6 жыл бұрын

LockPickingLawyer lmfao it's only a joke I thought you was called that cos bill uploaded a vid called reese trailer hitch and said Stephen zellers sent it in then in a following video about masterlocks trailer hitch said lockpickinlawyer sent the Reese one 👍🏼✌🏻️

@Leonslockpad 6 жыл бұрын

Great info my friend very nice video😊👍😎👍👍😎😊

@hansdampf2005 Жыл бұрын

Oh Boy thanks a Lot, was thinking i am too stupid to get it working

@WineScrounger 6 жыл бұрын

Cool. I’ve got one of these. Bone stock, it’s ok on the cheapest chinesium locks, but little else.

@youtube.commentator 6 жыл бұрын

WineScrounger you spelled Chineseanumium wrong

@superdupergrover9857 6 жыл бұрын

for plumbing solder you want silver solder, as in a silver tin alloy (about 4% silver, remainder tin) this will be very strong but melt easily with a propane torch, even a butane torch will work. this is similar to the gunsmith's solder he discussed. leaded electronics solder will be much weaker, but it's better than nothing.

@lockpickinglawyer 6 жыл бұрын

👍

@ratatosk2515 6 жыл бұрын

Thank You for making this video, its very informative. But on my "cheap" dd-picks all (3) are 5,1mm long, from factory. I have usually customized them down to ca.4,8-9mm. Do You "think/know" if that makes them "harder" to use?? (It picks some locks fine, but other that are "cheaper-chinese" brands, I can not open, no matter what. I "spp" them with a wide tension wrench and a L shaped tool. so I know they work.) Anyway I love Your customized picks, it is easy to see, how much better they function..

@spicydiarrhea5662 3 жыл бұрын

I would get mine to nice finish - rust prevention and aesthetics, and would add the black oxide to the pick - for lubrication, rust prevention... and also aesthetics

@JMLockpicking 6 жыл бұрын

Can you please do a video on the higher end picks and where to buy them????

@lockpickinglawyer 6 жыл бұрын

Maybe someday. There’s only a handful of people making nice ones.

@adrielau5041 3 жыл бұрын

2:56 you can see the lockpickinglawyer's face on the reflection!!

@ObsidianParis 3 жыл бұрын

"ENHANCE THE NUCLEUS!" :-)

@ObsidianParis 3 жыл бұрын

At 2:24 too, actually

@alexandersoto9521 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if he is going to edit this out. You really cant make much of the details, and you can't enhance it either.

@alexurcavich 3 жыл бұрын

That hairline tho😂

@duanerogers5391 6 жыл бұрын

There is one modification that I did to mine that if you have machine tools is very helpful. I remade the tensioning portion of mine to make the nose longer to fit in the very recessed locks like the Abus 37/60. A friend of mine is a tool maker and we made it out of brass which not only looks great, but functions very well.

@lockpickinglawyer 6 жыл бұрын

Yup, The length of the tension head is the single greatest weakness of this lock.

@scienticstratgies2368 2 жыл бұрын

good info so out of the sparrow tool and a bolt cutter witch is better faster

@yunnamed 6 жыл бұрын

Mine fell apart too while I was shaping the top bit with a file. Might just make a new one from scratch since I have no tools for brass brazing.

@saulysw 6 жыл бұрын

I only have one disc lock, an old Chubb (no number or model visible other than "made in Finland") and where you have the spinner instead it has a solid slot as part of the whole case. This means I can't even tension the lock as it gets stuck in this solid front door. To get around this, I would have to cut a deep notch into the tension section of the tool, or perhaps there is a better way? I much prefer normal padlocks and single pin picking, but I thought I'd give this a go and seem to have chosen a tricky one to start with!

@mikes4719 3 жыл бұрын

I bought one from amazon and was just about to return it because the tip was turning and it wouldn’t go in far enough to tension the transparent lock that came with it. Before I start trying to dismantle it. Could you tell me if the only way to do it is to remove the tip. As it is that’s the only way I can see to get access to tighten the rod to the spinner. By the way, you da man.

@robobrien1175 6 жыл бұрын

Hey! Great hands make light work .I'll give it a go Thanks Robbie 8882huyton

@tarehjernetarehjerne4082 5 жыл бұрын

Flat tips are not hard to make. Step 1: find some relativly thin sheet metal and cut it down to a small rectangle Step 2: sand it down to appropriate thickness either with a tool or sandpaper if you have alot of time. Step 3: remove any temper and drill through it in the middle with a 1.5 mm bit. Step 4: get your solder and flux and fuse them together. Step 5: clean it up with a file and some fine sandpaper. This is not necessary but i went ahead and retempered the tip to 58 hrc.

@JasperJanssen 5 жыл бұрын

Ok, a) that isn’t that easy a recipe, either. B) LPL said that the main issue would be in the brazing. Which is definitely something most people do not have the tools and skill for.

@TonyVirelli 6 жыл бұрын

Yes! More videos like this please!

@scounche 5 жыл бұрын

And like this i discovered the community of lock pickers. I love you internet

@bryanslocks3481 6 жыл бұрын

Where is the 42” pipe wrench videos? I loved those.

@lockpickinglawyer 6 жыл бұрын

They will be back... need to build a new rig. And it’s 24”.

@bryanslocks3481 6 жыл бұрын

LockPickingLawyer oh thanks.

@RakibIslam-ov1kc 4 жыл бұрын

great

@TheSysmgr 6 жыл бұрын

Great video - thanks LPL

@lordofelectrons4513 3 жыл бұрын

Solder No solder ideally machine from a solid sock or hot forge then file, use heat treatable steel. No machine shop then other option use a tungsten inert gas micro welder ($500) and fabricate the pick. Grub screws to secure the pic rod rather dodgy use a shaft collar clamp approach (google it) will take a lot more torque.

@jameswfreedom641 2 жыл бұрын

@LockPickingLawyer I recently bought the sparrows version of this, and I have looked through a ton of videos, but I didn't see anything about the tool that you use to turn the discs clockwise. Can I purchase one somewhere or is it just a nail file or a tensioner? Thank you!

@MultiVde 6 жыл бұрын

Nice, I've been meaning to mod my one. One question, would normal cable soldering work I don't have the plumbing solder? Thanks

@lockpickinglawyer 6 жыл бұрын

Probably... try finding some 96/4 tin/silver solder. Common, strong, low temp, and easy to use. 👍

@MultiVde 6 жыл бұрын

LockPickingLawyer good hint, i will look for it :) 👍

@miksurankaviita 5 жыл бұрын

@@lockpickinglawyer Do you need to use flux with that?

@lockpickinglawyer 5 жыл бұрын

MikSu definitely.

@crotalus667 5 жыл бұрын

Any chance of you doing a tutorial on how to modify this tool ?

@jmskaates 4 жыл бұрын

Just getting into the lock picking community jumping right up into the Kronos electric pack and the phoenix gold

@dannygarden464 3 жыл бұрын

Hi there, useful information but there is another simple thing that I saw and will probably do to my pick, when you go "in" even at the seventh disc you still have a centimeter free and when on first disc it's not inside as you hold it with your hand, would it be better to cut a part of the shaft, it would be all in and enough space to get to the last disc, I don't know if it's a good idea or not, I'll wait to see if somebody reply, thanks.

@expertoflizardcorrugation3967 5 жыл бұрын

When even Master Lock wont give in to this thing. you know that there is a problem

@mybluebelly 6 жыл бұрын

Hey boss ;-) Do you ever use original keys and make a mold of it to cast a copy of the key, or would this touch on copyright infringements?

@lockpickinglawyer 6 жыл бұрын

Never tried.

@BeatsFromDP 4 жыл бұрын

Hey LPL! This is the type of lock I have the most trouble with. I got a silver bullet and can now pick a plastic practice lock with no problem, but can't seem to get the same feedback with other cheapo Chinese locks. Nothing seems to bind or click the same. I know how they work but just can't get the "feel" down. Could you please do a video on what to feel for with these? BosnianBill did one but it didn't help much, and your videos seem to be more like "click on 3, click on 4 and it's open". Nobody seems to have an in depth video that resonates or explains the intricacies and that's what I'm looking for. Thanks and have a nice day 😊

@throstles6774 4 жыл бұрын

Are you tensioning the lock from the rear or front? Many will now stop you tensioning the lock from the front.

@user-st3vf7yq7n 5 ай бұрын

Love u

@TheReaper8246 Жыл бұрын

You should start selling your version on covert instruments. I’m gonna attempt to do this on my pick but I’m preys sure I’m going to screw it up. Good luck.

@pkonneker 2 жыл бұрын

Okay, but where do you buy one of these that cheap. I can see why your disk pick costs that extra bit more. Totally worth the expertise put into it.

@TSPiruz 3 жыл бұрын

whats the name of ur primery instrument and where should i buy it ?

@samueldeter9735 3 жыл бұрын

What's a quality pick to get? I've always wondered if the links and products and stuff are intentionally left off because of the nature and legality of these tools or just because?