I know the Beatbuddy. So you're saying you first have to process the sounds in the BB and then load them in what form to the module? I'd pay for a tutorial!

@@Kostas-Kantounis Hello, I may have worded my response poorly. The “translation” process, from Superior Drummer (for example) would require you to either: Use your DAW to play each drum at various velocities, export each velocity-sensitive hit as a wav file and then using the BB Editor, import and assign samples via velocity and note. OR….there are 3rd party software sample editor/creators like MainStage and Sample Robot, that can automate some of this. You would still need to recreate the “kit” in the BB Editor. (Ps: forget about generating samples in Akai’s free version of MPC…only 4 velocity layers are supported).

Ddrums in the 80s early 90s were the best drums out there what made him sound so good a man with a compete with anything today

Brian Akins Or if a company joins forces with Toontrack to build a module that has their samples already included.

Mike Luke Yes, exactly.

They do... it’s called a laptop! ;)

​@@MikeLuke I'll pose the same question to you that I did above: if DAWs like ProTools and Reaper let you use different drum plugins (SD3, SSD, etc) why can’t we have a drum module that just has enough of a DAW in it to let you do the same? Then the hardware and software buying decisions would be distinct (a concept that already exists with computers: for example SD3 will run on either Mac or Windows). I look forward to that future :-)

Dan Mayo Because Software like SD3 or SSD5 are not mainly made for e-drummers but for producers and mixing engineers. And be aware that if you want to use all libraries Toontrack has ever released, you‘d need almost 2TB or storage.

I think it's because of all the room mics to be honest. The base program isn't too bad, but the more parts of the program you download, the larger the file sizes get.

65 Drums Agreed.

John Krummrich What a great suggestion! I never thought of doing that... especially the samples that don’t really need a lot of high end, like toms and kick aren’t going to suffer too much.

bucknaked31 reverb tails work great also In SD3 you can get rid of the attack and just use the room sound with some of the sound of the drum to stack in a sound in a module

joeyjoejoe shabadoo In the Td11 i know, there’s’ no way to import samples...

We developed a product SmartWAV2 + MIDI Adapter: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y7GZna5otp-saX0.html that solves the importing of sounds with multi-layer (not only single shot) support, this can be used to import VST drum kits(samples), and it works with any drum module with MIDI out, TD-11 with this is exactly what you need!

Hi Justin , 2BOX DRUMIT 5 mk2 and DRUMIT 3 dont have the "different sounding problem" anymore ... also 2BOX modules can import multilayered samples up to 100 layers ... have a nice day ;)

@@stephaneparage2530 Thanks Stephane, I just updated the pinned comment to reflect the info

@@stephaneparage2530 Also, 2Box have designed their module so that you have to create samples 'offline' then import the finished WAV files. You can record any number of hits up to the max (128?) of a drum then drag & drop those WAV files into a single 2Box drum sound file on a PC/Mac. You then copy the finished sound to the module. That way you get a finely graded set of soft to loud sounds when you play. Warning: the earlier 2 modules have very little memory space when you buy them - you might need to delete files in order to add more. The recent Mk 11 should solve that problem.

Hey Deve, thanks I updated my top pinned comment to reflect that info the other day. I realize it's only an issue for the original drummit 5 and does not effect the new modules. Keep up the great work over there at 2box :)

Hi Justin. Thanks. As said, its only on the phones out with reactive load. Also, not involved with DrumIt since the 5. Cheers.

Thanks! I don't know why I hadn't already made this video years ago to be honest

Not better, just different. Different tools for different needs

Thanks for watching!

The Soundfont format was criminally under-supported. It was the key to my being able to play live electronica sets in which I could switch between the widest variety of kits on the fly.

I've long looked forward to the day when the hardware (module) and software (sound library) buying decisions are 2 separate matters. My question is: if DAWs like ProTools and Reaper let you use different drum plugins (SD3, SSD, etc) why can’t we have a drum module that just has enough of a DAW in it to let you do the same? Am I missing something?

The issue with that is not all modules use samples only. At least I suspect Roland uses some kind of synthesis in addition to samples to make the sounds feel more live and to allow all the editing options like abnormal shell sizes, muffling etc. It just wouldn't be possible with sampling only since you would have to put terabytes of sample data into the drum module the price of TD-17. In that regard it's pretty impossible to specify a universal soundfont like format.

@@mikosoft I’m still learning about all this stuff, so please check my thinking … In terms of a universal format, hasn’t that problem already been solved? After all, aren’t plugins like SD3 and SSD already runnable by several different DAW’s, by virtue of their support for formats like VST and AAX? Regarding your comment about Roland modules, the conventional wisdom is that they probably are using some combination of samples and digital signal processing/synthesis. However, that's not the problem space I’m referring to. From what I’m seeing, many e-drummers (even owners of high-end Roland modules) are opting for drum software like SD3, SSD, etc. precisely because they don't want those synthesized sounds, relegating their modules to work as pure analog->midi interfaces. What do they then have to do? Well, they’ll need a laptop running some kind of DAW (with the mentioned programs supplying their own) and many additionally opt for an audio interface to minimize latency. Then they have to get all that working in unison. In contrast, when I look at the Pearl Mimic Pro I see (effectively) a dedicated computer with a touchscreen, and all the stuff I mentioned integrated into the hardware. It’s like it’s running a DAW that hosts Steven Slate Drums. What if we could generalize that concept to something that was running a built-in DAW, into which you could load whatever drum VST you desire? That’s what I’m referring to. For the people that don’t want Roland’s sounds, prefer those of drum VSTs, and want the convenience and reliability of an integrated hardware bundle.

@@danmayo9182 Well first of my response was to the original poster who asked for a sample based universal format. Since we've already moved from pure sample based libraries it doesn't make any sense nowadays. Now towards your question (I actually already had a long reply written down when something happened and I lost it all). Plugins are not a "format" in the sense that they only hold the samples. Plugins are a full fledged executables (like the DAW itself), the difference is they don't run themselves but the host application (like DAW) interfaces with them via a standardised API It's like when you ask your mom: "Can you make me an apple pie?" and she says, of course and two hour later you have a nice apple pie. Ask me the same thing and I'll go: "No idea how to do that, dude". In this case both your mam and me are plugins, you are the host application, the words are the API by which we communicate and apple pie is the output. Your mom is a plugin that can make apple pies and I am a plugin that can (hopefully) explain technical stuff. Such a plugin needs a processor capable of running it. And here is at least in my opinion the problem (please bear in mind this is not researched, it's more like an educated guess). The processors in PCs are so called universal processors, their instruction set is devised so they can perform a lot of very different tasks such as audio processing, word processing, games, business aplications, you name it. Although all the processing is pretty much maths every software uses different types of algorithms and universal processor needs to be capable to run all of those. For that reason universal processors are not really good at any of those tasks, but they are capable of running them, just not very efficiently. Now other class of processors are specialised processors. Those are designed to do a very narrow specialised set of tasks. In case of drum modules I'm pretty sure they all run some kind of DSP (digital signal processor) that can run circles around universal processors when running audio engine but fails at anything else. By that virtue you can't really load a plugin made for universal processor onto a DSP. Even Mimic is running a specific version of SSD which I strongly suspect it's for that very same reason - it's heavily modified to run on the DSP that's inside it. So now last thing, why use specialised processors and not universal ones in drum modules? Well because universal processors 1. are more expensive 2. are less efficient (both speed and power wise) 3. are unnecessarily complicated for this specific type of application (more complication = less reliable) 4. require way more code to run than specific processors (more code = more memory = higher cost). Also, there's one more little but possibly showstopping detail - pretty much any commercial plugin requires some kind of licensing software or hardware. It's impossible to include provision for every type of such licensing method (there's USB dongles, software licensing plugins, online licensing) without going ridiculously overboard with the cost of the module. At that point you would be looking at a standalone PC with some kind of trigger interface which alone would probably cost at least $800+ but would have to be specifically tuned to allow for lightning fast latency so probably double that price for R&D costs. I know Mimic is even more expensive but that is probably also due to licensing and branding costs so you can put that in perspective as well.

Thanks for watching Tim :)

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Oh ok ty Justin I had a buddy that used to burn his movies he bought so he wouldn’t mess up his originals he told me it was legal because he was not selling them thanks for straightening me out lol

Ahhh yes the wood paneling haha! I have a very old basement I shoot these videos in

Td 1 limited for 15 sounds. But can play along with usb or midi

I have a laptop with 64 GB of ram. I realize it's not exactly the same thing but still. I think these drum companies need to get their act together to be honest. Most modules are running off of incredibly low power and low storage space hardware. And they all cost $1000-2000

@65 Drums - wrong. We're talking about SoC hardware made specifically for sound processing, and if you want to design something robust and compact but also cheap while not compromising sound quality there aren't really many options to choose from which have a lot of RAM. This is not a PC. It's a SoC which has its entire OS embedded in the chip itself. No kernel, no drivers, there's just a bootloader which runs the embedded code. That's why it turns on right away, doesn't glitch (at least it shouldn't if it's programmed right) and always does what it's supposed to, without crashing.

@@jurematoh I understand system on a chip is a different beast than a common laptop Jure. I'm sure you're much more knowledgeable than me about the inner workings of modules. I'm just looking at the results. Drum modules are not cheap, 99% of them heavily compromise on sound quality. The keyboard industry seems to be way farther ahead of the edrum industry. Far better sounds, they have more advanced interfaces, and are cheaper than electronic drums. The possibilities are out there, I just want to see it happen some day under the price of a car.

to be fair, when talking quality I mainly had Pearl, Roland and 2Box in mind.

Personally, i just want good sounds for practising. Im looking for an decent module instead of having to buy a new laptop + drum software just for rehearsing with my band.

Sometimes the latency is what kills it. Spending 1k on a pc that can handle the plug-in with minimum latency, after spending 500-2k on an ekit is not always realistic.

Another issue... Some things happen with licensing that become a pain. BFD3 was bought by InMusic, and at first they placed this crazy scheme on the license manager that required the computer to always be online for the licensing to work. That had never been needed, and made customers extremely angry. After much furor, they walked it further and further back, with the current requirement of online once every 90 days. It's much more reasonable but people were furious, and something like import to a 2box module escapes this issue for personal use, at least for just running a kit that you're already satisfied with. Also I think the 2box software can be used to manipulate some things, as well as the module of course, with other parameters requiring either use of the VST as normal, or temporary use of it to make the changes, and then re-export. It's also nice to not have to boot up an OS just to sit down and play, but sure sometimes it's not much difference.

Once already did, the Pearl Mimic Pro module runs Steven Slate Drums 5. And to a lesser degree, the NFuzd module runs a dumbed down version of BFD.

I hear you. Unfortunately that seems to be part and parcel of owning electronics nowadays. If you get 3 years out of a phone, you’re sitting pretty. Computers have a useful life of about 3-5 years. While the hardware may still be in fine shape, OS and app updates start to render them unusable. At least with drum modules (being the closed systems that they are) they don’t change underneath you so they can remain usable for many more years (though our ears come to expect more). I would say that the saving grace is that trigger technology is only now just starting to evolve, so the piezo-based triggers from 15 years ago should still work just fine with today’s modules.

@@danmayo9182 Except if like me you started out with a Yamaha set. I wish I had known 15 years ago that Yamaha doesn't work with Roland.

He's a great guy :)

No, it does not, because they use a USB signal and a USB connector. Neither of those are on the Pearl Mimic Pro.

If I wanted to be 100% accurate, I would have to title it: "Can You Import Multi-Layered Round Robin Sample Libraries From Drum Software Such As Superior Drummer 3 Into A Drum Module?" That would have precisely explained what this video was about. But on KZfaq that title wouldn't work. Because this is an educational video aimed at edrum novices, that title would have been confusing to it's intended audience. So I compromised and choose a tile that made the most sense without scaring away people new to electronic drums. If this video was only about one shot drum samples, I would have been able to use your title.

Sorry, i disagree. Samples are samples, not depending on there quantity and number of layers. But the title claimed "software" to be the topic, which was not even mentioned.

@@daskasspatzle2396 Ok so I changed the tile to "Sample Libraries" instead of "Software". Because I still need to get across that this video is about a series of samples, not just one sample. It would be to vague to call this video "how to put samples into your drum module"

Hey Justin, i think this the perfect title for this video :-)

Yes, you will get the random hits! The software on your computer randomizes the sounds, when identical velocities are sent by your module.

I ran an Alesis nitro module into the mix in on my Roland td10 to add extra triggers. Worked fine.

I love that word :)

Ddrum ddti or alesis triggering theyre the same unit. Just dif branding i believe. I just picked up the ddrum used. They seem to be out of stock everywhere .

a drum module mount, and a arm clamp

Millennium isn't sold in the USA so unfortunately I've never played one

Daniel, I just got this kit myself, the 850. What are your thoughts on it so far?

Portability, mainly. Or at least, would be for me. At home i don't mind beign wired to a pc, but if a wanna gig outside i have to bring all the stuffs with me, and if there's not much space you simply can't.

I'm not an expert on audio interfaces unfortunately. If I were you I would search for ones with low latency

That would be great :)

There's a new MIDI protocol coming out in the near future. I heard it will have thousands of velocities. That will be very very interesting

Hobbs Windrod hello there

@2boxer drumit Awesome.. thanks for that!

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