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7 Barbaric Old Testament Laws of Moses | Deconstructing the Old Testament

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Deconstruction Zone

Deconstruction Zone

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We are lead to believe in the church that god's law in the Old Testament is perfect and just but also impossible to follow. Nevertheless, many laws range from the absurd to the barbaric. In this video we look at 7 laws that no person in the western world today would accept as just or correct.
Leviticus 25:43-46 (Slavery)
Exodus 21:17 & Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (Child killing)
Deuteronomy 21:10-14 & Numbers 31:14-18 (Virgin war captives)
Deuteronomy 22:13-21 (Punishment for not being a virgin)
Deuteronomy 25:5-10 (Levirate marriage)
Numbers 5:11-31 (Trial by bitter water, to induce miscarriage)
Deuteronomy 23:2 (Illegitimate children)
Key words: torah, old testament, law, barbaric, justice, bible, laws of moses, slavery, murder, virgins, war brides, reproduction, Deuteronomy, Numbers, Exodus, Leviticus, exvangelical, exchristian, apostate
#deconstructingchristianity
#exvangelical
#exchristian

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@kayleeyates27
@kayleeyates27 11 ай бұрын
It’s so interesting looking at the Bible with a secular eye. Thank you for sharing your experience.
@sarafreeman5073
@sarafreeman5073 11 ай бұрын
( I use to be a Christian and I believed the bible). Of course that was before I actually read the bible. Up til around 100 years ago. I believe that a lot of people hadn't actually read the bible. They were a lot of illiterate people who could only read a little or couldn't read at all. They just took the word of a preacher on Sunday on what was written in the bible and that was it. But with the boom of information that has happened within the last 120 years. All the technology, for which I am still not familiar with myself. But we in 2023 know so much more about things than any other Generation that has ever lived. So when the light is shown on how barbaric the so call God of the bible dealt with humanity. It is disgusting and heartbreaking at the same time. One thing for sure. THE OLD TESTAMENT GOD WAS NOT A LOVING FATHER AT ALL. In fact the writing of the old testament were written by barbaric men who wanted to justify their own actions and evil deeds. (This is My opinion only).
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
Couldn't agree more. 👏👏
@joshuakarr-BibleMan
@joshuakarr-BibleMan 11 ай бұрын
I'd say it only makes it clear you didn't read the Bible all that closely, and that you were a false convert at best, and never actually a Christian.
@denisebutler5938
@denisebutler5938 11 ай бұрын
How dare you use logic! Lol. On a serious note, there are many of us who share your opinion!
@SamanthaAnnFox
@SamanthaAnnFox 11 ай бұрын
Said by a man that doesn't understand the Bible and judges God by man's failed standards.
@sarafreeman5073
@sarafreeman5073 11 ай бұрын
@@SamanthaAnnFox Great, someone who finally admits that the bible is written by man and not God. Men making up laws and rules then lying to the people proclaiming that God gave us these commands. Thanks for your honesty!
@michaelthomas9992
@michaelthomas9992 8 ай бұрын
Thank you Justin !! You knowledge of the Bible is amazing.
@James-wv3hx
@James-wv3hx 11 ай бұрын
When I was 4 years old I thought it was all just a con job. Great show! Thanks 👍
@fyl24
@fyl24 11 ай бұрын
Very valuable content. New subscriber. Thank you.
@youdontknowme8129
@youdontknowme8129 11 ай бұрын
I love his Tik Tok channel.
@Sham9909
@Sham9909 11 ай бұрын
It’s abundantly clear that that these laws have no relevance today.
@darinb.3273
@darinb.3273 11 ай бұрын
Congrats this is the Old Covenant and does not, I'll repeat, DOES NOT apply to New Covenant believers.
@fukenbiker
@fukenbiker 11 ай бұрын
​@@darinb.3273nonsense. There is only one Covenant. Religion is bad for Gentiles, who have 7 commonsense Noahide Laws. This nice polite ✝️ here has no business scrutinizing the 613 Mitzvahs that pertain to Jews. Furthermore Jesus didn't write in stone with his finger. Jesus didn't write anything. Fail. Roman Emperor Constantine had the RCC write the NT based on the Jewish heresy started by the self-described Apostle Paul with his vicarious atonement form of idolatry. Matthew Mark Luke and John were not the actual authors of that embellished embellished nonsense. No one can prove any of this esoteric stuff is why the Rabbis argue. Just behave. It's not difficult. I'm not a sinner nor are you. Paul was a liar who claimed to have Mohammed-like supernatural experiences.
@chainsmoker861
@chainsmoker861 3 ай бұрын
Yeah still shows that the christian god is a retard
@createinmeacleanheartohgod6871
@createinmeacleanheartohgod6871 2 ай бұрын
Jesus Christ is new law now. And by the way, those are not "law", those are commands by God Almighty.
@chainsmoker861
@chainsmoker861 2 ай бұрын
​@@createinmeacleanheartohgod6871wrong, there are also laws and those laws and commands where cruel
@nuttysquirrel8816
@nuttysquirrel8816 11 ай бұрын
Great analysis. Thanks for posting this.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@prabhuprakashjoseph8060
@prabhuprakashjoseph8060 11 ай бұрын
That was a sarcasam
@jenna2431
@jenna2431 11 ай бұрын
#3 (When you get to pick a bride from among the captives) Notice the order of events. you wait a month to make sure she's not knocked up a'ready. Bed the woman and THEN marry her. Or jettison her if she's no good in bed, I guess.
@createinmeacleanheartohgod6871
@createinmeacleanheartohgod6871 2 ай бұрын
Where in the OT that it says so?? If you can tell me where , i can judge you to be an idiot, empty brain.
@terryriley8963
@terryriley8963 11 ай бұрын
Why is it that God needs his special people to do his killing for him. Can you imagine having to not only fight and kill people in these horrific battles but then once the battle is over the slaughter really begins when God orders the killing of woman and children. If these people were really ‘evil’ then God should deal with them himself instead of getting people to do his dirty work for him. Through out history wars have been fought and people killed in the name of God, usually with both sides claiming to have God on their side? Just imagine how different history would have been if God had said ‘No person shall ever kill in my name, if I want someone dead I will do it myself’.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
Couldn't agree more. I've been saying this and people think I'm crazy.
@jamesworley9888
@jamesworley9888 11 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone The people Who think you are crazy are just as crazy as you are!!! The meanings in scripture are concealed from the worldly man, neither one of you are reading the scripture, you are reading dead words. It reminds me of what happened in transformers when Ultra Magnus (The Christian) tried to open the matrix and all he Got was death, then Galvatron (The Atheist) tried to open it and he couldn't open it either. Only Hot Rod (Who had a strong wise spirit) could open the matrix and defeat Unicron (satan).
@createinmeacleanheartohgod6871
@createinmeacleanheartohgod6871 2 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone Yes you are. You very much demon possessed.
@janettucker3196
@janettucker3196 11 ай бұрын
Any written old enough is going to be more barbaric. What matters is whether you evolve and move on.
@Neriad13
@Neriad13 10 ай бұрын
Back when I was a teenager and still a christian, I couldn't help but think of god as a child obsessed with cooties when I read these parts of the bible.
@BrianFedirko
@BrianFedirko 3 ай бұрын
God doesn't just permit slavery, it's a LAW and advisable, it is PROMOTED. It gives instructions on continuing to do it, and do it harshly. It is simply wrong to me, and an excuse to do wrong using an imaginary excuse. Gr8! Peace ☮💜Love
@Trollsagan69420
@Trollsagan69420 11 ай бұрын
Damn, I wonder how many innocent women got killed because of that dumbass virginity law.
@lawrencecarlson2425
@lawrencecarlson2425 9 ай бұрын
Please comment on the 10 commandments. Great content!
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 9 ай бұрын
Oh good idea. I've got a few videos I'm working on currently. Stay tuned 🥰
@sarafreeman5073
@sarafreeman5073 11 ай бұрын
This my second comment but I got so mad listening to a certain part of this video. So the man says she's not a virgin. So she has to be proven to have been a virgin before marriage. Well why dosen't the man have to prove that he is a virgin also. Because how would he know that she isn't a virgin if he has never been intimate with a woman. He actually wouldn't know any better. ( Because really men are capable of being fooled).But anyway this is such a double standard here. I wouldn't have made it in the old testament. My mouth would have gotten me stoned for sure!🙄😬
@terryriley8963
@terryriley8963 11 ай бұрын
It really is so difficult to just post one comment when listening to these videos as every topic makes you so mad, especially when you know the pathetic cowardly excuses people make up to justify their supposedly loving fair minded 'can't do any wrong' God.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
The treatment of women in the law is abhorrent
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
I'm doing a follow-up video of only laws dealing with women. It's infuriating how they are treated.
@stevenbatke2475
@stevenbatke2475 11 ай бұрын
Yup. Numbers doesn’t have a test for the unfaithful husband. It’s ridiculous.
@jimgillert20
@jimgillert20 11 ай бұрын
Me making a snarky comment: where is your sense of patriarchy. Men are the head they are the leader. The king is a God male.
@willievanstraaten1960
@willievanstraaten1960 11 ай бұрын
7:33 "The one that spoke all things into existence could not conceive of a method or a plan to take care of " all his problems and all the other gods. I have asked this question so many times. The Omni-celestial dictator in the Bible fixes and solves all his problems by punishment, murder, famine, and immoral acts. He never shows love, kindness, generosity, or care. No always angry and chastising, punishing. Yet I was indoctrinated that he is a loving god.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
He seems awfully feeble in the texts. It he just doesn't care about human lives.
@willievanstraaten1960
@willievanstraaten1960 11 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone Surely and definitely not. They created him over-concerned with his jealousy and nauseating egocentric characteristics.
@darinb.3273
@darinb.3273 11 ай бұрын
"The one that spoke all things into existence ME: God is the creator of all things. could not conceive of a method or a plan ME: Really?!?! Genesis 2:15-17 15 Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” That is a very clear instruction and a very clear plan. to take care of all his problems ME: God didn't have any problems, Adam obeyed God's instruction. and all the other gods. ME: Interesting; what other gods? I have asked this question so many times. ME: You will receive your answer today 😀. The Omni-celestial dictator in the Bible fixes and solves all his problems by punishment, ME: Do you mean passes judgement (condemns) those who are disobedient? Please show one instance of recorded history where God did something horrible to an individual or those who followed what He said to do. murder, ME: God is the author of life and if He decides to take it no human being has the authority to question it, EVER. famine, ME: God created the Heavens and earth and again has the authority to do with it as He pleases. It is also interesting to note that God tells the righteous ones that follow his commandments that a famine is coming per God. Guess what, again because of the disobedient people. and immoral acts. ME: 1st God is perfect in morality. 2ndly when you can do what God can do then you can judge the morality of God. He never shows love, ME: Read Exodus better yet read Genesis and Exodus and show me where God did not show love. Saving Noah and his family because of his obedience to God and in Exodus commissioning Moses to rescue the Israelites from under the Pharaoh that was God showing hate huh? kindness, ME: Incredible kindness. generosity, or care. ME: You should really read what really went on in the Bible instead of listening to unfounded conclusions of the clueless. No always angry and chastising, punishing. ME: For disobedience, absolutely. Even the Israelites disregarded God despite witnessing His power. Yet I was indoctrinated that he is a loving god. ME: You appear to be blind VERY BLIND. John 3:16 I'm sure you know that verse, however for your convenience I'll remind you of it. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. And the next verse. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. I recommend the entire 3rd chapter of John. I cannot be accused of cherry picking that way. How is it you do not see this as love?
@darinb.3273
@darinb.3273 11 ай бұрын
​@@willievanstraaten1960"The one that spoke all things into existence 😮 ME: God is the creator of all things. could not conceive of a method or a plan ME: Really?!?! Genesis 2:15-17 15 Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” That is a very clear instruction and a very clear plan. to take care of all his problems ME: God didn't have any problems, Adam obeyed God's instruction. and all the other gods. ME: Interesting; what other gods? I have asked this question so many times. ME: You will receive your answer today 😀. The Omni-celestial dictator in the Bible fixes and solves all his problems by punishment, ME: Do you mean passes judgement on (condemns) those who are disobedient? Please show one instance of recorded history where God did something horrible to an individual or those who followed what He said to do. murder, ME: God is the author of life and if He decides to take it no human being has the authority to question it, EVER. famine, ME: God created the Heavens and earth and again has the authority to do with it as He pleases. It is also interesting to note that God tells the righteous ones that follow his commandments that a famine is coming per God. Guess what, again because of the disobedient people. and immoral acts. ME: 1st God is perfect in morality. 2ndly when you can do what God can do then you can judge the morality of God. He never shows love, ME: Read Exodus better yet read Genesis and Exodus and show me where God did not show love. Saving Noah and his family because of his obedience to God and in Exodus commissioning Moses to rescue the Israelites from under the Pharaoh that was God showing hate huh? kindness, ME: Incredible kindness. generosity, or care. ME: You should really read what really went on in the Bible instead of listening to unfounded conclusions of the clueless. No always angry and chastising, punishing. ME: For disobedience, absolutely. Even the Israelites disregarded God despite witnessing His power. Yet I was indoctrinated that he is a loving god. ME: You appear to be blind VERY BLIND. John 3:16 I'm sure you know that verse, however for your convenience I'll remind you of it. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. And the next verse. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. I recommend the entire 3rd chapter of John. I cannot be accused of cherry picking that way. How is it you do not see this as love?
@willievanstraaten1960
@willievanstraaten1960 11 ай бұрын
@@darinb.3273 @darinb.3273 ME: “God is the creator of all things.” Willie "The one that SPOKE all things into existence” Your superstitious and illogical 6,000-year-old biblical earth and universe is funny. "Scholarly writings frequently refer to Genesis as myth, for while the author of Genesis 1-11 "demythologised" his narrative by removing the Babylonian myths and those elements which did not fit with his own faith, it remains a myth in the sense of being a STORY of origins."
@ChrisSmith-xh9wb
@ChrisSmith-xh9wb 11 ай бұрын
Those were brutal times. The almost universal acceptance of slavery across the world continued until the 19th Century AD when activists inspired by their Christian faith began to change public opinion, leading to the end of the transatlantic slave trade. The Christian vision of a world in which the love of Christ in men's hearts renders all laws redundant remains to be fully embraced.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
Christians were literally leading the charge to keep slavery in the South. It even says day to the states declaration of cessation.
@alanzavala5041
@alanzavala5041 11 ай бұрын
What were the laws, traditions and rules in other places around the same time
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
They were somewhat similar. Better in some places, worse in others. For example, debt slaves in the Hammurabi code goes free after 3 years but 6 in the Bible. Also, divorced mothers in the Bible get nothing but in Hammurabi (and others) any woman who is divorced with children are required to receive payment and property from the husband so she can raise the child and take care of herself. But some cultures, like in Anatolia, have many strange laws based on social status that isn't as pervasive in the OT or elsewhere. Some law codes to Google.... Lapit-Ishtar Eshnunna Middle Assyrian Middle Babylonian Hammurabi Gortyn Ur-nammu Neo-Babylonian Sumerian And, of course, Hammurabi. I have copies of all these if you need.
@alanzavala5041
@alanzavala5041 11 ай бұрын
One living in those times could see some of this laws decide it is more liberal than others and go with it
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
@@alanzavala5041 your point isn't entirely clear, but I suspect that your attempting to make the argument that the OT law are bad compared to today but good compared to cultures of the time period. Is this what you're getting at?
@alanzavala5041
@alanzavala5041 11 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone not good maybe a little better. I would say a little less barbaric. But that's the way people live in the ancient world
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
@@alanzavala5041 The mosaic laws definitely were not better but the are comparable to laws of the same time. And I think that's part of the problem. I would expect an all mighty and all loving creator to do better than the laws created by humans
@timothykuring3016
@timothykuring3016 11 ай бұрын
A lot of what they did after receiving the ten commandments was their own invention. Take the precedent of the very first case they tried. It's plainly stated. They charged the son of an Egyptian man and a Hebrew woman with blasphemy. The details of the case weren't stated, but a charge like blasphemy was a little extreme, considering that everyone but Moses was unable to even listen to God. They didn't yet know God, so they weren't qualified to judge blasphemy. But at least they confessed that they didn't know how to enforce the law. So, they got together and decided to kill the man. Their evil law fell when they killed Jesus for blasphemy. It places the bookends on the laws of men. Jesus confirmed this view on man's interpretation of God's law when he explained that the law of Moses allowed for divorce because of the hardness of people's hearts. It is absolutely against God's law, but he allowed interpretations of the law like that because they were common practices in cultures all around them. All those other cultures had slaves and used slaves, so men said: "At least treat slaves humanely, etc." With the law comes an obligation to enforce the law. Could a tribe stone a man and woman to death for adultery in the street when they were surrounded by Babylonians, Egyprians, Greeks, and Romans who divorced regularly. It wouldn't go well for them, so they had to allow divorce. But that never made divorce lawful or a good thing. A decent person who wants to avoid that makes an extra effort to make a good marriage, pleasing to God and good for children. Sloppy people just don't give a damn about the law. Jesus also said of the law to enforce the weightier matters and never mind about the rest, which wasn't necessarily bad, but not so important. He listed the weightier matters: Do not kill, do not bear false witness, do not steal, do not cheat, and do not covet. If you were busy enforcing those laws, and you agreed that death is the penalty for breaking those laws alone, you would scarcely have time to bother with hand washing or cleaning your toilet on the Sabbath. Never mind blasphemies againstgod nobody knows. If people knew God, they would be obeying his laws and enforcing them. They would not be attempting to enforce man's laws. Jesus threw their blasphemy law in their faces.
@timothykuring3016
@timothykuring3016 11 ай бұрын
Jesus made fun of their hand washing. After stealing a widow's home, or murdering a man, they would make a big, visible and ludicrous show of washing their hands in public. Even Pilate got in on the act and washed his hands in public after ordering Jesus' execution, honoring the tradition of the foreigners he was governing, and exposing their practice. It wasn't that anything was wrong with washing your hands, but it was a mockery, if you weren't obeying and enforcing God's law first.
@DannyS177
@DannyS177 11 ай бұрын
I think that it is interesting that an all knowing and all powerful god can't convince people that curses aren't real and instead using their inaccurate knowledge to his advantage.
@joshuakarr-BibleMan
@joshuakarr-BibleMan 11 ай бұрын
A curse is a vow with only negative consequences. If you're talking about magic spells, then maybe you need to visit Haiti or some place where demonism is common practice, and then give informed consideration to whether these things are real.
@randallpickering9944
@randallpickering9944 9 ай бұрын
The new Speaker of the House claims the Bible as his source of legislative guidance. Yikes!
@nobeoddy1664
@nobeoddy1664 10 ай бұрын
is it any wonder that so many men treat women unfairly?
@jimgillert20
@jimgillert20 11 ай бұрын
There are strong similarities to the Babylonian Hamurabbi law code. It permeated the whole region for centuries. Mosaic law actually is more compassionate on some points. To have Bible literature that can give insight into ancient culture is enriching. Keep growing as modern civil and ethical people.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
Some points it is. Some points not. Such as divorce and debt slavery. Debt slaves go free after 3 years in Hammurabi. Divorced wives get restitution in Hammurabi also.
@jasons8479
@jasons8479 9 ай бұрын
*This is the book of morals they claim to be life's instruction book???* Of course some apologists will claim, "Oh that's the Old Testament. That doesn't apply anymore." Even though the Ten Commandments are in the Old Testament and those are non-negotiable. What is their mechanism for deciphering which verses of the Bible are to be taken seriously and which aren't? Even Jesus himself said "Till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or tittle will by any means disappear from the Law." And of course Paul contradicts him by saying that the old law was nailed to the cross... even though heaven and earth didn't, and still haven't, passed away. So we have a book (I know, with 66 books) with a whole host of inconsistent writings of ancient human beings. And there are hundreds more. Not exactly some divine instruction book. Why would some allegedly perfect all-powerful being allow such a flawed book? Would you accept an instruction book for your (insert tech device here) that contained so many discrepancies? Of course not. So why would we take one like that seriously to find out the truth on supposedly more significant things like eternity... or where our soul (whatever that is) might go... or even what to do with disobedient children. *Note:* _Definitely don't follow the Old Testament, which is most of the Bible! And, even though there may be a few nuggets of wisdom here and there, the New Testament isn't a reliable instruction book by any means either._
@gusangulo3992
@gusangulo3992 11 ай бұрын
By what standard can you call anything barbaric outside of your own opinion?
@vladg8983
@vladg8983 11 ай бұрын
By using ur brain and not being a retarded pariot
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
By the standards widely (though not universally) agreed upon by modern society. If you want to go back to treating women like cattle and owning slaves, then you're welcome to try it. Let me know how that goes for you.
@henryschmit3340
@henryschmit3340 10 ай бұрын
"It is not okay" Those pagan tribes themselves practiced the very thing you say is abhorrent. It is simply a case of what goes around comes around. God's commands are often also a reflection of the people He was dealing with. In other words, when God says it is okay, then it is okay. As for some other laws you mentioned, they are designed primarily as deterents (and there is no mention in scripture of anyone actually running afoul of these laws, so as a deterent these laws worked). You can't have one or two rebellious people bringing the whole community down. A deterrent has to be in place... or if comes to and actual infringement, it has to be nipped in the bud.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
No they didn't. That just the lie you tell to justify genocide. The laws permitted slavery, stoning non virgins, stoning unruly children, sex slavery, and more. These laws are similar to others in the ancient world. Nothing divine in nature.
@thinkandrepent3175
@thinkandrepent3175 11 ай бұрын
Who are we to call the Lord God, Our own creator. Barbaric? We look through a glass darkly. We cannot see the mosaic. We only see a single tile. It is only because a good God exists, that we exist, and even have the capacity rebel against him. Because he was good enough to give us free will and life as well. We must not be arrogant and presumptuous. We question God's goodness because we are blind. God dealt with the bronze age people in a way that was perfect for the time and context. He did the same in the middle ages. He does the same now. Praise be his Holy Name! Praise the God who gives everything life and moves the stars in their courses. Praise the God who showed us the perfect form of Love on the Cross. Amen Amen Amen!!!! Woe to us if we push his hand away. God is hope, the ultimate hope, and he is Truth, the fulness of Truth! I am pained when I think of folks giving away his healing Grace. We must return to the God of Love, the God of Abraham, the God of the Universe!!! He is the Alpha and the Omega. John says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Look for yourself at the 4th word of the Bible in Hebrew Genesis 1:1 אֵת, it is Aleph and Tav. No translator has ever translated it into English there is no equivalent, but all know it is there. The beginning and the end.
@Nazoto
@Nazoto 11 ай бұрын
It's kinda God's fault that there are mistranslations... He could've picked several different punishments for tower of babel but he picked the only thing that can cause his/her religion to have loads of mistranslation. And why would God want to follow the trend of humans. God should be the one to lead a trend of not having slaves.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
😂🤣 Well he doesn't exist so I'm quite sure his feelings are just fine.
@createinmeacleanheartohgod6871
@createinmeacleanheartohgod6871 2 ай бұрын
That is why Jesus Christ had to die and resurrect so there would be no more crazy laws the way it was in the OT. Agnostic here for 9 years, found Jesus Christ when i was seeking for Truth. He came to the miraculous way. I got save Dec. 31, 2002.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 2 ай бұрын
God described those laws as perfect and life giving. He also said to follow them forever......
@createinmeacleanheartohgod6871
@createinmeacleanheartohgod6871 2 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone Nope, you are making that up. Jesus Christ is the new law now. He is the sacrificed Lamb. Jesus Christ said, "But I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." "Eye for an eye" is no longer a law, but "give the other cheek." The devil is dancing with you. I feel bad for you, your soul is lost. The devil that you are worshipping today will be the same devil that will torture you in hell. You have plenty of hatred in you heart and soul. I see hell is your destination when you die.
@createinmeacleanheartohgod6871
@createinmeacleanheartohgod6871 2 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone I see devil in your eyes, honestly. You are a dangerous ticking time bomb. When i look into your eyes, i see empty soul. I feel bad for you mate.
@createinmeacleanheartohgod6871
@createinmeacleanheartohgod6871 2 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone Jesus Christ is the law now. Jesus Christ's standard has been heightened, But I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. I am so blessed to have found the truth in Jesus Christ, i am saved now. Get on ur knees and pray "God if you are real, reveal to me". Jesus Christ will reveal to you they HE did to me.
@wandabargeman
@wandabargeman 11 ай бұрын
"THE MOSAIC AND CEREMONIAL LAWS WAS NAILED TO THE CROSS COLOSSIANS 2:14 "BLOTTING OUT THE HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES THAT WAS AGAINST US, WHICH WAS CONTRARY TO US, AND TOOK IT OUT OF THE WAY, NAILING IT TO THE CROSS.* 15.) "AND HAVING SPOILED PRINCIPALITIES AND POWERS, HE MADE A SHOW OF THEM OPENLY, TRIUMPHING OVER THEM IN IT.*" 16.) "LET NO MAN THEREFORE JUDGE YOU IN MEAT, OR DRINK, OR IN RESPECT OF A HOLYDAY, OR THE SABBATH DAYS:*" 17.) "WHICH ARE A SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME; BUT THE BODY IS OF CHRIST.*"
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
Try telling that to the Jews. Let me know how that goes for you.
@jenna2431
@jenna2431 11 ай бұрын
But tithing and that whole homosexual hate made it through. How are you doing with that 30% of tithes going out the door? 10% to Levites (good luck finding one). 10% for wine and strong drink at the feast (the one you say is done away with), and 10% for widows and orphans. 30% is a big chunk a' cheddah. I hope you're not having to forego vacations or eyeglasses because of it.
@jasons8479
@jasons8479 9 ай бұрын
Jesus disagrees with Paul: "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." - Matthew 5:18
@billybobwombat2231
@billybobwombat2231 8 ай бұрын
Charming little god ain't he, narcissist methinks
@gojohnnygo3209
@gojohnnygo3209 11 ай бұрын
Ask yourself with keeping just these 7 laws would crime increase or decrease over time? How much more perfect the world would be by keeping the rest 606 laws.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
Sounds terrible. You clearly haven't read the laws.
@gojohnnygo3209
@gojohnnygo3209 11 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone - The war between Russia and Ukraine would have ended if they followed the old testament. Even Adolf Hitler might think again, because no german man and boys would survived only virgin girls making children for the winner. Don't you think the world be more peaceful as this go on?
@MichaelAChristian1
@MichaelAChristian1 11 ай бұрын
“The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.”- Psalms chapter 19 verse 7.
@gojohnnygo3209
@gojohnnygo3209 11 ай бұрын
@@MichaelAChristian1 - But mankind are born by nature sinful, children of wrath.
@grimlund
@grimlund 3 ай бұрын
You dont need Satan in the Old Testament. Its God him self who is the evil one.
@ffchopin9327
@ffchopin9327 11 ай бұрын
The irony lies in the fact that the people of that era did not perceive these things as "barbaric." You consider these things as "barbaric" precisely because you are influenced by Judeo-Christian values, even if you are not consciously aware of it. The sanctity of life as a "gift from God," the dignity of human life as the "Image and likeness of God," and the equality among people as "sons of God" - these high moral standards, although they later became independent of religion with the emergence of "Humanism," were, in fact, rooted in religion. Thus, you are assessing the Bible based on values that the Bible itself instilled in your consciousness. It's important to recognize that this process of maturing human consciousness took thousands of years (the book you are reading dates back to 4,000 years ago). The central point to grasp is that the Revelation of God in history is an ongoing process, and the books you are reading mark the beginning of that revelation, not its culmination. They do not represent the ultimate truth but rather the starting point, merely a glimpse. If you wish to understand the ultimate revelation of the nature of God, consider what Jesus has to say about it. The Bible itself prophesied His arrival and indicated that He, the Messiah, would unveil the ultimate truth. Do not halt your exploration at the early books of the Bible; read it through to the end.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
Progressive revelation is a theological copout by those who don't have the balls to admit the god of the OT created an inhumane system of laws. There were over 600 laws on everything from mixing fabrics, where to bury your pooh, what women are to do while menstruating, many laws on sexual relations, yet not a signal law stating a very simple fact that owning another human being is wrong and women should have the same status as men. Stop making excuses clothed in theological speech, for a system of laws you apparently understand is deeply flawed.
@ffchopin9327
@ffchopin9327 11 ай бұрын
I don't need to "make excuses", after all, I'm not to blame. Or did I write the Bible? *Laughter* I'm not even a religious person, in the strictest sense of the word, and Theology is certainly not something I care about. I'm just having a gentle conversation about a topic that also interests me a lot, and I think the perspective I've put forward really adds to the conversation. I thought it was important to say that, as the Bible itself states, it is the Messiah who has the revelation par excellence. And the Messiah himself teaches us the importance of differentiating the "Laws of G-d" from the "Laws of Men". When Jesus is asked what are the most important Laws in the Torah (The Old Testament), what does He say? Love God above all things (Deuteronomy 6:9) and your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18) This is the Law we must follow. Is there anything barbaric in the concept of loving your neighbor as yourself? Is there any barbarity spoken by the Messiah, in this passage or in any other? "Behold, I make all things new"(Ap 21:5) "Whoever looks back will not be worthy of the Kingdom of Heaven" (Lk 9:62)@@Deconstruction_Zone
@jimgillert20
@jimgillert20 11 ай бұрын
"Maturing human consciousness..." that is where I'm at.
@robby7499
@robby7499 11 ай бұрын
​@@ffchopin9327You're just cherrypicking what you like now.
@YeshuaisnotJesus
@YeshuaisnotJesus 10 ай бұрын
The Bible was written as mythology, yhwh doesn't exist.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
The biblical authors thought it was real
@YeshuaisnotJesus
@YeshuaisnotJesus 10 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone Really, the people surrounding them had real gods. The mesha stele proves no gods exist.
@Manofwar7
@Manofwar7 11 ай бұрын
The posters pride and rebellion will bring him low. I
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
Sorry the truth threatens you
@Manofwar7
@Manofwar7 11 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone with all the respect I can muster sir, I say humbly as someone who has studied theology and enjoys listening to many debates on a myriad of subjects there is "nothing new under the sun". Nothing you say threatens or shakes me. KZfaq and life is full of any and all sorts. Including the proud and rebellious.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
@@Manofwar7 A well studied individual will understand that people having opinions different than his own, doesn't make them prideful or rebellious. You're just unable to process the fact that the OT would never fly in today's world because humanity has progressed since the bronze age, which is where these laws originated from. Men of the bronze age, placed on the lips of god. Just like every other law code of the time period.
@Manofwar7
@Manofwar7 11 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone indeed a well studied individual (presumably you) would also know in history context is everything. Hence, they were not meant to fly in today's world. Anymore than the human sacrifices of Mayan or Azteca empires or slavery or child sacrifices. Indeed your failure to observe this is what (IMO) makes you proud/rebellious. Sort of like the professor who has known little to nothing of real world affairs telling others how a successful business operates. Hubris.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
@@Manofwar7 What context makes murdering your daughter for not being a virgin ok? What context makes slavery ok? The OT laws are created by men to serve the needs of men. It was not given by god and that's evident.
@jimgillert20
@jimgillert20 11 ай бұрын
Romans 6 14 "you are no longer under the [religious] law but under grace." But I still deconstructed all my dogma.
@JamesRichardWiley
@JamesRichardWiley 11 ай бұрын
The First Commandment is a statement made by an ancient Hebrew priest to settle a war between the imaginary Hebrew god Yahweh and his rivals, the other imaginary gods. It has nothing to do with me or you.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
The belief in an actual dome lasted until the medieval period. This seems to be because the earth, upon observation, looks like a disc with a dome over it. The Bible describes quite accurately the ancient belief of a physical hard dome and the minute you see this archaic belief in the creation account, one should stop taking the Bible seriously.
@TheBestRTaken005
@TheBestRTaken005 11 ай бұрын
You are evaluating laws that you do not understand and putting today's standards and understanding on a time that have a totally different context and understanding of the time. You don't know the purpose and yet you judge. It would be like someone living on a cul-de-sac that has their kids play ball in the street (with no traffic) condemning a parent that won't let their kids play in the streets when the risks are much different, IMO
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
Would you advocate for reinstituting laws allowing parents to stone their children? What about killing someone for working on the Sabbath? What about stoning a girl to death for not bleeding on her wedding night? Would you want your own daughter living by these standards? What's the "context" that makes it ok to do it then but not now? Isn't God's morality supposed to be "absolute"? That's what apologists already argue as proof for god. I understand these laws perfectly fine. I hold two degrees in biblical studies. I just expect that the creator of the universe would have laws that are more humane than what we see in the middle bronze age desert. The biblical laws are no better than any other law system of it's time and even copies from Hammurabi in some places.
@tannerjack9520
@tannerjack9520 8 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone I WILL NEVER SEE YOU DEBATE AN ACTUAL SCHOLAR BECASUE YOU ARE A PUSSY!!!
@jbutero1
@jbutero1 9 ай бұрын
I do not understand how any of this proves that God doesn't exist. I have read the Bible more than 20 times and already knew about all of these laws and I am still a Christian. It is completely illogical to me to assume that just because God does things that don't meet up to your expectations, that means he isn't real. God is who God is. I don't waste my time trying to sugar coat laws like these because God can do anything he wants and he doesn't answer to created beings. I am going to say the same thing to you I did to other deconstructionists. If not God, how are we here? The alternative is that nothing created something, blew up, and created everything by random chance. The alternative is fish that turned into land animals and then monkeys and then people. It is too stupid to consider. That is why I decided to deconstruct science rather than the Bible and God. So tell me, you that now reject God. What is the better explanation? Even the scientists admit they can't explain how the original material that caused the big bang came to be.
@aservantofJEHOVAH7849
@aservantofJEHOVAH7849 11 ай бұрын
JEHOVAH is the creator of man therefore man is his property the surrounding nations received clear evidence that JEHOVAH had chosen to set up his nation on a peice of his own property and chose to fight against the creator of man nevertheless. JEHOVAH Chose to use the arrogance of these nations to send out a clear warning to the surrounding nations that he was not to be messed with. There can be no comparing of JEHOVAH'S Sovereignty with human rule. If one takes up arms against JEHOVAH There is only one way that that will end mankind has been warned.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
😂😆🤣 ok sure
@aservantofJEHOVAH7849
@aservantofJEHOVAH7849 11 ай бұрын
If one is critiquing a narrative one must critique it on its own terms.
@jeffgentry6728
@jeffgentry6728 11 ай бұрын
Wow, you have no understanding of the Old Testament. The laws you cite as barbaric are for the good of everyone involved, even foreign "slaves" where not truly slaves in the sense of being abused and bought and sold.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
The passage I cited on slaves quite literally states that they can be purchased and treated as property, as well as treated with severity. It's the Hebrew debt servants that are too be treated with care and go free after 6 years. It's almost like you didn't even read the passage. Get familiar with the source material before you make a fool of yourself.
@steverose234
@steverose234 10 ай бұрын
This Is Proof that God Never said such Nonsense....
@SamanthaAnnFox
@SamanthaAnnFox 11 ай бұрын
There are A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE that fail to understand God's Word and instead judge God by their own sinful standards and inflated human ego's.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
Would you stone your daughter to death for not being a virgin in your wedding night?
@robby7499
@robby7499 11 ай бұрын
And wouldn't that be God's fault for making it to where his word is vague enough for thousands of different doctrines to be made? If God really cared, why would he choose a method that leads to further confusion?
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