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I feel like the Corrin and Garon changes kinda coincide with each other. In JP Garon was clearly more outwardly respectable. With a less Saturday morning cartoon villain-sounding agenda. It makes sense that people could be blindsided by his villainy more easily in that version vs English.

To me what surprised me the most is how paranoid JP Garon is overall. Like, both versions of him are *huge* jerks, but in the original script dude is so paranoid that I can legit believe his "scorched earth" tactics come less from a place of sheer evil and more from how he just isn't willing to leave anything to chance (the fact he also says "kill them all" far less also helps). The weird part about that though, is that it also makes the whole "present Garon was a slime monster all along" reveal all the more jarrying, so I dunno...

I guess the localizers wanted to make sure the player figure out that Garon was very evil by turning him into a cartoon tyrant.

JP Garon sounds so much more interesting as A man drowning in his own paranoia. His one-note characterization in the localized version definitely contributed to fate's terrible story

"Oh no! We took out the ellipses! Now what do we do!" "Don't worry, I have a plan." Saizo/Beruka support's deep lore

I love the part where they cut 90% of fates true script just to get it out faster

5:40 Regarding that first line of "If things were turned around, they wouldn't hesitate to kill us", I actually believe that to be an inaccurate translation. The sentence in question is : 逆らう者がおればもろともに殺せ。 The first word of the sentence is 逆らう(sakarau), meaning "to oppose". Following this is the word 者 (mono), indicating a person or a doer of the verb preceding it. Thus, the sentence would mean "Kill everyone who has the audacity to oppose you" [said to Xander, who is given the order of executing prisoners]. The confusion arises from the word 逆らう beginning with the kanji 逆 (gyaku), meaning "reverse; inverse; turnabout". Unfortunately I'm not overly familiar with the other references regarding Garon, so I cannot comment. A localization change I never see people talk about is how different the dialogue is in the cutscene "Mingled Tears" (Birthright Xander cutscene). The script is as follows: [マークス]: では…お前が信じるその正義とやらに、殉ずるがいい！！ (my translation) Xander: Very well... Believe in that justice of yours. Sacrifice yourself for it! (Off. Localization) Xander: Very well. You will die fighting for your cause. I shall defend my homeland! [Xander Strikes Elise] [マークス]: エリーゼ！！！！ エリーゼ、しっかりしろ！！！　エリーゼ！！！！ (my translation) Xander: ELISE!! Elise! Don’t let go, Elise! (Off. Localization) Xander: Elise! Elise! Please! Speak to me! [エリーゼ]: マークス…おにいちゃん… それが…正義…？ …愛する者を守るために、必要なのは… 本当は剣じゃなくて温かい手と、涙なの… (my translation) Elise: Xander… Brother… Is that... justice? To protect those you love... you don't need a sword, but a warm hand, and tears/sympathy (its the same word in Japanese) (Off. Localization) Elise: Xander… Your sword… Lay it down for me. Nohr needs more from you. Not just your strength... What we need… is caring… and a warm hand, and tears. [Xander sheds a tear] [エリーゼ]: おねがい、闘いをやめて… (my translation) Elise: Please, stop fighting... (Off. translation) Elise: That’s the way. Try to be at peace. So in the original Japanese, this scene is a direct continuation of Xander and Corrins' ideological battle regarding justice (the Birthright version of the "justice is an illusion" speech, but with Corrin there to argue that he and Hoshido are the just force). Xander physically retaliates Corrin, for him to die a martyr for his definition of justice. Elise then steps in to display her stance on justice and to make her eldest brother reconsider his established meaning of justice - that he needs to protect his family, not kill them. In localization, the scene is basically ripped away from context, making the focus instead be how Xander should be serving Nohr differently, rather than changing what his definition of justice is. Of course, if anyone else would like to contest my translations, please do! I accept the possibility of being wrong (I know I used to read the Xander section a bit differently).

Damn, I knew the localization was kinda shotty with how they took things out for controversy while still leaving controversy in and how dlcs weren't brought over despite the game selling extremely well, but this changes a lot of the game main narratives.

I remember a lot of supports being changed like Soleil’s Corrin S support and the infamous “…”

The mayority of the localization changes are Alright, but some do feel like a straight downgrade. The "best" one is probably Corrin being more aggresive to Zola in Birthright and In Conquest, Takumi thinking Nohrians are more despicable. It fits better with the narrative and that they both have actual thoughts. The worst ones are definitely the one where They changed Sumeragi's Ambush to a Peace Treaty that was dishonorable. It just makes Sumeragi look stupid for trying to make Peace with Garon In His Kingdom.

I adored the stunned silence the nobles had to Gunter there, a nice little reality check that ultimately the protagonists here are infact still bad guys. Still royalty perpetuating tyranny upon the world through the very nature of monarchy.

The script overall sounds like a give and take in most areas. But all changes are very interesting

Trivia is so cool to me. Learning what could have been is interesting

I can remember when people were comparing treehouse to 4kids and after this, I can definitly see it. Because this is literally just the Yu gi oh-situration again. It's the annoying thing of there not being a definitive version because the localisation improved in some areas while making it worse in others.(Though obviously, that neither version is particularly well written to begin with doesn't help)

Here's hoping for a Fates remake sometime before I die, especially since the people at "Nintendo Treehouse" who were responsible for translating the games haven't been heard from ever since 2017.

I find Gunters statement to the royals, Garons paranoia, and Sumeragi death to be the most interesting of the original story.

7:30 this is the weirdest change for me Corrin regretting choosing Nohr is understandable after seeing all the bloodshed that happened in conquest. Overall it makes Corrin seem less dumb instead of just ignoring all the horrible things they're doing. "we're doing horrible things but they're my family"

This isn't specifically related to the video itself but since we're talking about Fire Emblem Fates, there was something I thought could be interesting. Imagine if the way Corrin turned out in terms of character depended entirely on the route you take. What I mean by this is imagine if you chose the Conquest route and as time went on, Corrin actually started to become infected with Garon's ways and essentially went on to become a full blown villain that you played as? I got this idea when Corrin was pretending to be in agreement with Garon (Even though I doubt Garon fell for it) and it got me thinking; What would it be like if Corrin wasn't pretending and really did start to think the same way Garon did? As for the Hoshidan path, it's basically the opposite and Corrin just...well...pretty much stays the same as he's already a very peace-loving character. And for Revelations, you'd have a mix of both. He'd still be a good guy technically but he'd have a cold and calculating that kept him from being way too trusting and does what he has to do. Thoughts?

Eng translation has some really good improvings like Takumi being more racist towards Nohrians But still what they removed made a bad story even worse, JP Garon actually feels more reasonable but still an asshole than Eng Garon who is just Satan and some changes literally doesn't make sense

Damn, the Fates localization was really incompetent. So many details left out or even changed.

Soleil is also a big change. She isn't gay in Japanese but instead embodies the Japanese trope of girls being obsessed with cute girls aesthetically.

It’d be cool to hear more about Kibayashi’s original script and how that eventually became the current version of fates, but I suppose it’d be a bit difficult to obtain given the development team are probably the only ones who had access to it.

So your telling me Corrin in the Japanese had more characteristics

Videos focusing on Fates will always be appreciated

I still remember your Xander support science and it's still sad how the writing differed so much (a lot of it contradictory) between his supports and the main story.

Man, these games don't deserve the hate they get. This video reminded me how fun\unique\emotional Conquest was. I might need to give it a replay.

Best one: ...... ...... ....... .......

Being honest, I find the japanese script to be more nuanced, like the little changes that they make really give it a different view in the story. I felt that the nohrian side in the japanese version is more sympathetic than in the english version, Garon has less of the cartoony villain vibe, and actually feels like a character, since, there are motivations behind his actions, and avoids several of the downfalls that the english version falls for (mainly the "I don't care about my people" and "Kill them and everyone who defies me"), while showing that his actions come from a place of mistrust and paranoia, and also, Zola's redemption was actually good, like, he tried to repay his debt to you by protecting you when Garon wanted you dead, and Corrin accepts it, instead of acting petty (which is something that always bugged me from the english version, like, it felt bad how Zola was pleading Garon to save Corrin's life, and Corrin being like, "What's gotten into you. Weren't you evil and all?"). Also, the response to Gunter's view of the nobility is honestly a lot more elegant, because it's true, there are some nobles that act like that, and he is justified to feel like that after what he has been through, so, silence is honestly the better way to express how they learn from that and that helps them improve in the future. And the way Corrin reacts in the japanese version to Takumi being posessed is honestly quite good, Corrin in the english version felt like he didn't learn, that he was always in the right, or always found excuses to deflect responsability, but in the japanese version, it feels like at least at some parts, they acknowledge that their actions have consequences, and try to improve, so their mistakes don't hurt anyone more, claiming that he will atone for what he did (it's surprising, but, I can relate with Corrin in the japanese version, which is something I couldn't with the english version. I may even like the character a bit, it feels a little bit more nuanced).

It really feels night and day, in a way I like Corrin being unsure and doubtful because it feels like whatever choice he made has a feeling of regret but the Japanese script adds more character to him and the Hoshidan Nohrian conflict.

Honestly, the changes to Garon are probably the worst here. Garon's not the best in the JP script either, but I can at least believe people would follow him there. However, at least the EN version doesn't actively try to sell you Birthright in Conquest.

I kinda wish I could had recruited Zola into birthright

Loved the vid as ALWAYS! But I remember Effie having a completely different character in EN compared to JP Maybe some supports differences in a future vid??? 👀👀👀

This video teached me a lot about fates, thank you.

Does anyone know if there's a way to watch a full playthrough of the Japanese version of conquest with English subtitles? As I would like to check out the Japanese version after seeing this video.

Honestly surprised some of the good English add ons are English only. They seem like they would fit as rulers should care for the people and not keep treating them badly as to repeat the cycle. Same with Xander being more upbeat as it would show Elise's influence of seeing the better way and give it back to Corrin eventually as family. The lore information is nice but I think the passing down of weapons was easy to figure out as the royal siblings dying and thier kids holding the weapons sorta shows the cycle of arms much like Lucina taking falchion from chrom eventually. I kinda like the add on of garon and sumuragi making a peace as eventually war would have happened more so than cheve being the place for oniy hoshido. It adds more to the scene and why hoshido steals azura eventually for a more personal vendetta Corrin sure is More bloodthirsty in en which is funny as they soften it useally for overseas but headless Scarlett is still a thing. Keep forgetting to say this but I honestly like en Morgan in awakening more than jp. She in my theory was broken about betraying her friends so the risen sent by grima would be after her and her post amnesia state would be a good counter for all the bad thoughts. Plus she would probably want to be dotted on by robin as even future past robin is sorry for putting Morgan Through all that so it syncs up well

I absolutely hated that Corrin didn't take any responsibility for Takumi losing his mind in Conquest, kinda glad that at least the JP version got it right. It really is a shame, if it weren't for that line I probably would have liked the final battle _way_ more.

Out of curiosity, will you also be doing localization changes on the support dialogue as well on the side?

Great video (and great thumbnail) Despite its flaws I really enjoy Fates, so seeing content on it is extra enjoyable

What's the rom hack that is used for the japanese parts?

I wonder what other games had heavy changes between the Japanese and localized variations.

tbh something that i think would make the game better is redesign corrin base class to look like hoshidan or nohrian depending on route (even if it is the same class) same with azura(though u could simply give her the black dancer dress from nohr cutscene on coquest), corrin really feels out of place compared to both nohr and hoshido (as in it doesn't feel like they belong to either hoshido or nohr), when hoshidan and nohrian armies have clear themes to then it makes corrin does stick out so much on the game it's so jarring everytime they are on screen, like they are from another game

Fates is really underrated end of sentance

Imo, all changes are unnecessary changes. I'd rather preserve the exact original intent of the devs.

English birthright corrin is ruthless

I’d imagine there were a lot of changes considering it was still rather controversial in the west after they were added

I mean makes sense that they were from Gods, Raijin and Fujin are Japanese Gods, of lightning and wind... but that begs the question, of how many dragons there are in Fates' world, since their countries were also named after dragon Gods and they are descendants of said Gods, thus the ability to use dragon veins. Not to mention the unmentionable world. Vice Versa how many exist in Nohr? Also interesting that Siegfried is the name of Xander's weapon the dragon slayer of Germanic folklore, while Brynhild is Leo's Tome the love interest of Sigurd and Valkyrie leader, Sigurd is the Norse equivalent of Siegfried who also known for slaying the same dragon Fafnir (in myths it's uncertain if they're the same person or not). 2 Gods in a world where dragons are their Gods, a dragon slayer and another dragon slayer's Juliet... interesting, and how many dragons are there truly in this world, I hope this is expanded more in some future remake... sequel seems very unlikely at this point, but maybe a potential sequel too.

I sounds like you were saying "Corn" throughout this video. 😆

I think a good idea is doing this for every officially localized FE game, see which game had the least changes and which one was changed almost as much as Fates.

Fates is such a weird story, so weird that I find it hard to swallow in a lot to areas. But it’s hands down my favorite FE game in a gameplay standpoint, the class accessibility and variety, especially in Revelations, the genuinely fun difficulty of Conquest. My 3DS was basically a Conquest/Revelations machine for most of high school thanks to it. If the localization team had just been even a tad bit better, Fates could’ve been so much better from a story standpoint.

Huh neat... I mean I shouldn't be surprised he's clearly much older than any human can live, thought maybe they eluded to him being something more, but yeah Rainbow Sage being a divine dragon... neat.

1:34 it was mentioned in the Korean version.

I’m going to be honest every Fates video you make just makes me think of how much it could have been a better game and I imagine a world where the story was actually good. That’s not to say I dislike your Fates videos. love all the videos actually. But again I just find myself daydreaming about what Fates could and should have been and it saddens me to see what we ended up with. I love the ideas that it presents but it just didn’t execute them well. I feel like if the story wasn’t segmented into three different versions and instead one cohesive one it would’ve worked better.

What's a rave These script changes ard interesting with garon being a little more in depth Corrins doubts if some parts where kept and changed the story would have been less painful to listen aside from a start button to skip it. Fates is good game ( gameplay speaking ) but with everything else with the story and supports leaves a lot to be desired from a story trying to be ambitious

Having played the Japanese version of Fates before the English I initially believed fates’ story was going to be fuller Oh how wrong I was

I wonder why they changed most the script just period. I like more of the original script with Corrin being less flat. It is more interesting and I can only guess changes were made to be "correct" within culture. Since Japan and America share different cultures and for example saying that there used to be a fire and wind god could put some people up in arms. Weird however no script changes happen for 3 houses so Idk what really happened

The change to Corrin being overall less aggressive and apparently more naïve may be because they thought that no one would want to insert themselves into the role of a character who is so aggressive. The bit with Birthright and Conquest also not revealing so much of anything of Anankos may be to try to make the story a little bit more complete on both of those routes, without mentioning the instigator of the whole thing as that would create loose ends, which may be why Revelation itself seems to come out of nowhere. It may be that at the time, they didn't understand the point of Revelation and regarded it as simply a non-canon DLC story similar to Infamous' Festival of Blood before finding its true nature, or it may be that they wanted to keep it a complete surprise until you buy the DLC, though that surprise part *is* what ruined it.

So the original version fits the morally grey aspect of Fates way better, neat

(I read the title) I guess Kirby games aren't the only ones that got a bad Japanese to English localization (especially the newer games)

The ones I remember most are Elise's retainer just being a whole different person all together Saizo and beruka C support. Azura being a Twitter user sometimes. Not getting all the dlc so we missed out on so many mom and child conversations. And Elise being made 18 which has the opposite affect on people wanting to date her as now it's legal in the overseas version for present day and back in the day. Honestly fates doing a "localazation" over "translation" is what really messed it up as those two are not the same thing. Awakening wise tharjas boingy bits into hair and the censorship but That's it for me.

Jesus that lore part is so bad; arguably one of the biggest complaints about fateslandia is just that, it’s lack of world building to the point it’s the only continent without a name. Even half of these not being cut would have gone a long way.

it's pretty much obvious that Kamui was supposed to die with exploding blade, idk why anyone would be unsure about that.

When I first heard about FE Fates...the localization changes was the first thing I read. -Oh and Siliconera is 💩 site.-

Wow, so the Japanese version actually LACKED some depth at some key parts (while the opposite is true in others)? Weeeird.

As someone who played the original and watched the localization the thing that nags me the most is the general change in tone. Like of course the Japanese script isn't a masterpiece either, but I honestly despise the localization apparent attempt to cartoonify and simplify things, as if they were thinking "these are children playing this game!". We don't need these stupid 'lore' words, we need to have fun! So now there are dumb lines like "I feel like singing......... BUT I WON'T!!!" (haha nice funny random one myh dude 🤣 -written by newgrounds teenager in 2004) Now you might think it's OK because the game story is awful and this makes it more entertaining yadda yadda, but consider these people GOT PAID. A LOT PRESUMABLY. Would you enjoy paying someone hefty amounts to make fun of your game? What the fuck? So glad Treehouse never came back for localizing FE again.

Gotta admit this video was pretty confusing to follow, going at such a rapid pace back and forth between versions. I always found it frustrating that people went to such great lengths to get the "real" story by direct translation, that they trusted the official localization that little, and blaming the official localization for "ruining the story." No, the story is still deeply flawed and problematic in the JP script, it is just presented differently. Some of these points from the original script do make certain things make a bit more sense, but the majority is just attitude and slight context, which doesn't change the majority of bad writing the story leans into just to function.

Ughhh so funfact The chosen name i use since 2015 is based on Crimsons nqme being localised. Hence, scarlett crimson Idk i felt like shall mention this.

Conquest was my first fire emblem fates game I really enjoyed it yeah some levels were hard took hours but it was worth it

Man The thing of playing Fire Emblem IF instead of Fates if you don’t know Japanese cause that way you could act like if it had a nice history seems to don’t be a joke anymore

Is the whole "Nohrian Scum" thing localization only then?

So the localisation made Corrin more of an asshole and Garon more SatAM villain. Gotcha

so the Japanese version is less of a cartoon villain

Honestly, I think that while the "adult you technically are" line is a super awkward translation, I think the "she's STILL such a brat" doesn't contradict it too much? I mean, he's basically calling her out on her immaturity in both lines -- if she IS 13 or something in Japanese, then she still lacks the typical decorum you would expect from a royal 13 year old. Anyway, it's still awkward, but both lines are centered upon how immature she is, so... ehh... it's not the biggest stretch. But it IS stretching, for sure.

Everyone: compares English version to Japanese one Me: wonders who the hell are Crimson, Aqua and Marx

7:14 Is this saying JP Xander fully believed and knew Garon was off his rocker and did nothing anyways? That's a baffling decision, especially if the JP script originally had the line of Xander threatening to execute Corrin if leading them to the Hosidan throne is a trap at the start of Ch. 27.

These changes probably happen due to language translation, I don't think any translation is perfect, due to words most of the time having more meaning in their original language, than in their translated language.

I firmly believe that Nintendo Treehouse should not translate or localize anything anymore. Engage was also riddled with censorship under the guise of localization.

i can't believe the english version is just anti-garon propaganda

The FE localization team seems pretty heavy handed with their changes, and the result seems to be less problematic, but way stupider

not to immediately jump to gay supports in fates i know its a bit tired at this point, but i honestly prefer how s-supports with tharja and niles worked in the japanese translation rather than the localization (for those unaware, in the original versions the s-supports are different depending on corrins gender, while in the localization theyre the same regardless). that isnt to say i dont have problems with the characters themselves or how the supports were written in the first place ("b-b-but were both boys!" is a very tired trope, like you can do interesting things with it but just pointing out that fact is the most boring thing you could ever write) however, i much prefer when bisexual romances have altered dialogue in dating sims depending on the gender of the player character, i think its a nice little touch and it feels like a nice acknowledgment of like, yeah being gay and in a relationship often looks a bit different but there isnt a fundamental difference in how you love each other. story of seasons friends of mineral towns localization did it really nicely, i think. anyways, sorry for talking so much about a somewhat controversial and at this point very tired topic, but i thought itd be nice to add some of my thoughts on the localization. its kind of fascinating to learn about how much was both changed and is the same depending on what language you play fates in, lol

Nintendo tree house was acting stupid these days lol

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So localizers have sucked even back then huh?

Funny enough i've been replaying Fe Fates after so many years and just finished both Birthright and Conquest and i gotta say, the stories writing is alot worse than i remember it being.

the changes still leaves a bad taste in my mouth how much the script was butchered

This was definitely the Dark Ages for Nintendo localization, so many cases of censorship and bad changes around the time. Thankfully Nintendo seems to be getting better, they're even putting some outright hentai games in the Eshop! While Sony is being horrible about censoring "questionable" anime games, those very same games seem fine on the switch, very odd seeing this after how things were only a few years ago.

Before we even get to the video, that Thumbnail. Man, I know we've got to outplay the YT algorithm but please...no. You're a great content creator, don't do that.

I like the thumbnail (I'm a corrin simp btw)

Ah yes, Fates: three of the Fire Emblem games ever.

I think it's high time localizers go under and get some translators instead.

All this just reinforces my opinion that Xander and Nohr Corrin are such a tools both of them knowning that being complicit in Garon's crimes is wrong but cotinue to do so anyway, also, when it came to Xander's speach on justice. all I could think of was "you tell your self that every night ya privilaged jackass?". Localization Hoshido Corrin seems on the money, as they would ofcourse be suspicious and be preprared to be backstabbed having it already happen to them rather than continue being a naive idiot. Unfortunately a broken story can only be patched to much with a localization and only a complete rewrite could solve all my problems with the story. Like having key infomation be in the actual story and not locked away behind 1 on 1 character conversations across games or be mentioned way to late for it to have any effect.

So most of the changes were to hide the odvious japabesse nationalism that can be seen where the developers odviously wanted to put the non japanesse kingdom as the worse, seriously did they put a japanesse extreme nationalist in charge of these games?

My favorite localization change is pickle man.

Why the actual hell does Corrin have fans?!

Holy hell, Jp!Xander was worse. Not only was the nuance and underlying optimism of his big speech about coping with atrocities gone, but he implies he KNEW about Slime Garon all along? That’s… That makes him out way worse.

I mean, changes are great yeah, but the OG script wasn't any good either

So the main problem is the terrible writing and the terrible translation.. this combination Made the game completely terrible from a story pov... don't get me wrong I do love the game play.. but The Story writing and how they handled the characters is completely laughable. Severa, Inigo; ans Owain had no purpose.. despite the DLC explanation for them being there.. They made No Move To Look and Help Corrin .. to me it just feels like it got too comfortable with their position With The Nohr Royal Family.. no even if we factor in the Friendship thing.. They are Content with indirectly working King Garon... but to clear this all up it's not actually him it is a Corpse animated by Anaklos while his Soul is Forced to watch The Imposter ruin his family and Nation. You Know it'd be much more realistic if they had Garon Soul was Fighting for Control and Warn the others That he is being possessed.