I couldn't agree more about getting as close as you can. That's THE difference between hunting and shooting.

Seems like knife hunts would be the best then I've got a buddy who was a sniper, he naturally brought that back to hunting. He's gone on elk hunts with 50 bmg and 338 lapua from extreme distances. Always is a treat to see or hear about him work

Well said

​@@modakkagitpluggathe old I have buddy story

Well said! Are you perhaps from South Africa?

116 years and going strong for the 30-06 and definitely no sign of dying off anytime soon

30-06 is like the 7.62 x 54R. Obviously, the 30-06 can do more but the 7.62R has been in service for 120+ years There are better rounds but with so many guns chambered to take these rounds they are not going away.

7mm won only on this utube video channel and merely only based on this person's opinion ..which did not address everything .about the 06 versatility The 30-06 has a much better KO factor for dangerous game than the 7mm mag by using a 240 grain woodleigh solid in the 30-06 Look up KO factor if yiu don't know what that is If a griz was charging me from 30 yds away I'd feel more confident with a 240 grain in my 06 than a fast lightweight 7mm bullet..and I've personally known people in alaska that have been mauled even after hitting a bear with the 7mm mag solid . To me 06 reigns Supreme for versatility ..still to this day Amd it shoots plenty flat enough with 190 grain accubond LR ammo With a G1 bc OF NEARLY .600 AT 650 YDS THE 190 ACCUBOND LR BULLET STILL HAS 1800 FT LBS OF ENERGY WHICH IS A NEW RULING FOR THE 30-06 NONE OF THIS WAS ADDRESSED IN HIS VIDEO .SO Was an unfair comparison and inaccurate comparison.

@@jamiehurtt3530 Salty eh.

@@sstrongman1667 Nope ..couldnt care less really ..just voicing my own opinion like the video did and putting true unbiased facts out there.

Yeah, exactly. The more you make, the cheaper the source components. Also, right now, supply and demand. Fair amount of 30-06 available, much less 7 mag.

I'm pretty shocked he didn't figure it out, TBH.

Yup, spot on.

If you watch his video on Hottest Cartridges of 2022, you know the 7mm Rem Mag is still plenty popular. Both the .30-06 and the 7mm Rem Mag made the Top 10. Most of us should be handliading these days, and if you do, the 7mm Rem Mag is plenty popular enough to make this point largely moot.

Marketing is a factor as well. If you want that little bit extra and buy the best available, you are going to pay. It’s like anything else with a deluxe option. Sometimes you just want to say “I went all out.”

Exactly! People are so consumed with "what's best". If I shoot my Winchester '06 accurately and at sane ranges, why should I care what anyone else shoots or why? Why does Backfire care? Because controversy drives views, and views drive $$$.

30 cal has a better selection of bullets. Loaded to the same pressure they are ballisticly essentially identical. You might note this guy never compares the exact same bullet weights and mentioned nothing about pressure levels.

@@timothyterrell1658 They are no where near ballistically identical. You would have to run high weight bullets in the 06 lowering the velocity to keep up with the .284 bullets of the 7Mag. The 7mag's bullets dominate the 06's in same weight bullets.

@@T-DsGaming Ever heard of nosler ABLR 210 grain G1 BC OF. 661 Or the 200grain nosler accubond with a BC of .588 Both have over 1800+ ft lbs of energy at 500 yds out of an 06 So might wanna rethink that 2700 fps ..look it up on any ballistics calculator amd compare it with 7mm mag

@@T-DsGaming 168 grain nosler ABLR 7mm mag 500 yd energy =1788 ft ft lbs

@@T-DsGaming Lol very high weights and lower vocity mean nothing when shooting VLD style bullets

There ya go, yep.

They just flat out work. I would include the 308 in with those two as well since it’s an old (not as old as the other two but still getting up there in age) but very versatile. Nothing against the newer calibers but I’ll take the old standbys because they work and I already have guns for them Cheers

My sako 7mm rem mag holds 4 in the mag browning 3

My rem 700 holds 4 7mm

My first hunting rifle as well, rem700 I guess we’re biased :))

Exact same here! Still have it and it's still in great condition.

I have both calibers too and lean towards the 7mag even though I want to prefer the 3006.

I have shot 7mags. And I personally hunt with 30-06 And him saying that the recoil is The same I beg to differ says my shoulder and I’ve shot some big guns of my day 3 1/4 inch slugs says so 300 WinMag’s light 308 Savage even shot old Remington 700 with no but plates in 300 win but 7mm mag has a wallop . I sure would like to know what one’s he’s shooting. Lol

@@Mr.I.miss.the90S That is interesting because I almost always hunt with my wooden stocked Japanese made Weatherby Vanguard in 7mm Rem Mag since I bought it in 1991 and has always felt like the recoil was somewhat mild. A while back I was out shooting with friends and I swapped with my buddy and shot his Remington 700 in .30-06 and it felt like it had a bit more recoil back to back and then I swapped with my buddy who was also shooting 7 Rem Mag in his Ruger M77 with the red pad and it kicked like a mule. I think stock design and recoil pad play a bigger role than most people think. If you look at recoil charts my Vanguard and the M77 should recoil the same since they are almost identical in weight. My friend sold his M77 after he shot my rifle and got a Browning.

The 30-06 is an over achiever. The 7 mag was not made to he a hot rod. It was a can do it cartridge. Its also a legend and it does it without being a punisher to you and barrels. Both are excellent

Distance is the difference im assuming?

its not that close to the -06 becus it surpasses it in every way, the -06 is fine but the 7 rem mag is better, its that simple, and the 7mm is known to penetrate deeper in wider large boned creators while lead free bullets

got same 30-30 here and been using for a damn long time...also my Sako 308 hasn't let me down yet within 400yds...and my shoulder don't kill me when I ring steel at 600 with the 308...

But if you don't need the better ballistics it doesn't matter. I hunt whitetails and .243 has adequate ballistics.

@@Clearanceman2 243 has better ballistics then the 30-06

maybe wherever you are bud. 7 mag is just available as 30 here in mt

Can you find 70 year old Mil Surplus armor piercing and tracer rounds for 7mm Mag? Nuff said.

@@orangetuono38 First and foremost, That ammo’s primary purpose is going to be plinking. Its only real advantage will be cost. That’s it. Second, the 7MM Remington Mag hasn’t been around for 70 years…It also wasn’t used for military purposes. It goes without saying you’re not going to find old military surplus ammo for it.

This doesn't stand up when shooting equal grain weights/factory ammo enough to say it's the make or break in results. You only achieve this by shooting a lighter bullet.

I never got why people say 30-06 is more versatile? With modern bullets I cant think of any situation where I would shoot something with a 30-06 but not a 7 mag.

@user-ds1yp3wp9m Up to 220 gr bullets. It's more versatile for large game moose bear etc. Some outfits require atleast a 30 cal minimum. Bigger heavier bullets typically kill bigger animals quicker. 7mm paper ballistics slightly superior but the bullet is what kills and .308 is to 7mm what 7mm is to the 6.5s. Doesn't sound like much but it is.

because it is actually@@Nick-sx6jm

I disagree The 06 has the capabilities to hunt big game out to 600 yds You just need to shoot the right bullet like the 190 grain accubond LR

@@jamiehurtt3530 it’s capable but that doesn’t mean the 7 mag isn’t better at that range.

@@danielboggan2479 Personally I love the 7mm mag Never said the 06 was better Just more versitile ..if I could only own 1 gun I would choose the 06 tho because of the huge bullet weight selection 110-240:grain And extended barrel life compared to the magnums I shoot a shepherd drs p2 reticle on an 06 amd hit steel out to 1000 yds all day No problemo

@@jamiehurtt3530 600yds? So ethical...get closer! 400yds and in...smh

@@atomicwedgie8176 I dont know where you've been in the last 20 yrs. However many hunters are shooting at big game well past 1500 yds these days...600 yds is nothing by comparison So yes...with today's modern bullets amd improved bullet ballistic coeficients 600 yds maximum range is extremely ethical with todays modern bullets and powers if you know what you are doing and use a rangefinding reticle and well practiced

So would you consider the 7mag versatile?

@@steffensamlal1854 si aunque prefiero el juego 270 win y 7 rum,,,, cuando quiero magnum voy a una prestacion de polvora enorme

It’s not just you.

@@ryanupchurch9683 ? That really you? YEE YEE.

@@anomilumiimulimona2924 it's not him fuggin'

I 'grew up' with a 7-O8, and have used the mag quite a bit. I like the 30-O6 no doubt, but I feel better with a 7. I even like the 7 mag over a 308 (generally).

Probably not unless your hunting african big game

That's why she is not home

The wind drift on the 06 is quite a bit more than 5% dude. Bullet drop and wind drift on a 300-400 yard shot can make a big difference out west in the wind

naw.................don't think so.

Get .25-06 its pretty much a .25 magnum by powder capacity shoots flat and fast and is great deer cartridge as well as extremely acvurate.

@@jcgardner5852 I may do that actually. It's definitely one on my short list

+1 for the 25-06. The .257 weatherby is supposed to be an amazing hunting round. Anything in this category is NOT recommended for paper punching unless you really like getting new barrels!

@@wesleyturner1979 I put several thousand rounds through each of two snd had no degradation of accuracy. That was with just under max loads

@@jcgardner5852 2k is a short barrel life for a paper puncher. I think 308 gets like 5-6k

I think 8mm Mauser would win...all day long. It's just a beast of a cartridge. Jump up to the 9.3 & it laughs at this competition. 😅

@@skookapalooza2016 I love this cartridge and shoot it with my hunting rifle all the time. However beyond 200m/ 218 yards the bullet drop becomes a little tricky.

I love the 8X57. It is a beast with 180 grain Ballistic tips and IMR 4064. The .323 version are WAY tougher bullets then they get credit for.

@@beestoe993 they hit just this sweet spot for me before the real medium calibers like .338 WinMag begin.

@@skookapalooza2016 The 8mmx57 is time tested proven to be superior to the 30-06 due to bullet diameter of the 8 mm caused much more shock and vital organ destruction than 30 cal 30-06. I own a 9.3x62 Mauser in a CZ 550 which is used for my Alaska guiding rifle for brown bear to Yukon moose, The 9.3x62 is absolute amazing for killing the largest and meanest animals.

My dad swore by that cartridge in 243. All three are great rounds for deer.

@@dennisheadley4408 Definitely as long as you keep range reasonable. Thanks 👍

I'm using a 7mm08 with 162gr eld-m (7mag) bullets and it works a treat. Not as fast but the energy out to 500 is perfect

@@kiwihunter2011 Excellent 👍

@@brianlee6849 Yeah something about 243 just lays deer out under 200 yards. I killed a lot of deer with it but as I got older and was able to take shots out to 400 the 243 just didnt cut it anymore.

I to have a Savage 110 in 7mm Rem Mag and love it. Killed many deer and a bear with it

The 7 mag will out perform the '06 , in the humane kill department , which should be the MAIN priority .

@@imafreakinhistorian2169 no way. They both kill humanely extremely well, as long as the shooter does his part. The 06 is a death ray on deer. Not sure what you’re basing that on.

@@imafreakinhistorian2169 clearly you have no practical field experience with either cartridge. That was a foolish comment…

@@ronlowney4700 Your comment makes zero sense kiddo. Perhaps you should wear a helmet to protect what you have left. 🤪

@@MrHf4l Exactly. Some people's kids... 🤦🏻‍♂

@@ronlowney4700 Yea If I could go back in time I would still buy the 06. To get any real advantage in 7mm you need to move up to the 7mm Weatherby along with the recoil the fact it needs a magnum action and the cost of the ammo.

@@ronlowney4700 I'm at a loss as to which 7 mm you are referring to. The 7mm Mauser has no where near similar powder charge nor the velocity of the 7mmRM. and the Weatherby has more. The 280 AI comes the closest and is more efficient. The 270 is a great cartridge but even Jack O'Conner admitted the 30-06 is more versatile.

@@ronlowney4700 Ok Either there's part of your post I'm missing or something is going on. What I read is the 7mm is a more efficient cartridge and outperforms the 7mm Remington magnum.

That is more for laughs. They are highly inaccurate.

The most accurate load in my old '06 is one where I use Hornady 110 gr. bullets to give me repeatable 0.3" three-shot groups, and just under MOA three-shot groups with 165 and 180 gr. Hornady bullets. With any bullets heavier, I only have experience with 200 gr. Speers, and they were acceptably accurate. I probably could've gotten closer to MOA with them, but I stopped experimenting with that heavy a bullet because a 165 gr. will cover all my big-game hunting.

How terrible of some bureaucrat to make such an arbitrary ruling. Where would you shoot 22 Magnum, 357 Magnum, 44 Magnum, 222 Rem Magnum, all which have much less power than even the 308 Win? The public should speak out against such nonsense.