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Watch This Before Buying an Expensive Table Saw Blade
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Күн бұрынCan you tell the difference when using a cheap table saw blade versus an expensive one? In this video I will compare an expensive Forrest Woodworker II table saw blade to an cheap Diablo blade. Which one will win?
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0:00 Intro
1:34 Differences in Diablo vs Forrest
3:32 Cutting with a Diablo Table Saw Blade
6:12 Cutting with a Forrest Woodworker II
8:36 Forrest Blade Worth It?
9:22 Which Blade Do I Use?
10:23 Which Table Saw Blade Should You Use
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@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
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@williamhudson8493 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, there was no bias in this comparison none at all
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
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@sergiog8241 3 жыл бұрын
i was about to ask lol thanks
@albeit65 3 жыл бұрын
@@jasonsahadeo5740 Bought my first forrest blade June3, 1998 its been kept clean and sharpened I think twice and still cuts great. Thin kerf blades can bend under load and over heat, it's a throw away blade good for rough work. I use them for working on my house, bought 2 in the past year. Just saying for fine work and longevity Forrest is the way to go.
@wessamazzo8856 3 жыл бұрын
If it's made in America, it's trash.
@keithkolbo2735 2 жыл бұрын
The burning and resistance you felt with the Forrest blade was in part because your blade was too low. The rake etc of the Forrest is designed for more height. You can read more about burning on the instruction sheet that came with the blade. The rubber coating on the blade teeth is to prevent nicking or cracking the carbide teeth. I did a comparison and the Forrest consistantly gave me a sanded smooth edge. The Diablo was ok, but just not as smooth. Thanks for the vid.
@mattbibeault843 3 жыл бұрын
I thought I was splurging when I bought a Diablo blade LOL
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
lol
@linksawakening9737 3 жыл бұрын
Lol right,
@cgrizz33 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed lol
@JLabanz 3 жыл бұрын
Right there with you
@isLife-nn5yl 3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree!
@ericschaming1141 3 жыл бұрын
And here I thought the Diablo blades were expensive LOL
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
lol
@gregoryhilliardjr7545 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing! I’ve had two Diablo reciprocating saw blades and they’ve lasted me a lot longer than any other blade I’ve owned.
@Troy-Echo 3 жыл бұрын
If you look on Amazon for Diablo blades, they are the highest ranked blades as of 10-14 days ago, or maybe I just set a price range? I've seen several videos saying a higher tooth blade will reduce edge tear out, along with a tighter cover around the blade which gives edge support to your wood as close to the blade as possible, which also helps prevent tear out.
@MintStiles 3 жыл бұрын
Diablo blades can be fragile depending on what they hit. But honestly, it's really stupid to resharpen Forrest at retail prices. Unless you run a cabinet shop with a regular discounted sharpening services that picks up and delivers, there is no way that a Diablo is more costly. For framing and smaller project, I just pop on a 7.25 Diablo framing blade on a 7485 saw. Who cares if they go bad if they only cost 5 bucks and cuts all day long. ALOT less dust too. You can often find their 40 tooth finishing blade in 7.25" for very good prices on local ads. Some people sell them cheap by the bulk.
@zachsheets8315 3 жыл бұрын
@@MintStiles it cost 20 bucks to resharpen the blade. A Diablo 10” blade range from 35-60 bucks.as well you can resharpen a Forrest blade 50 times. I have saved more in the last 3 years now running a Forrest blade then buying several Diablo blades. I burned through several Diablo blades cutting hardwood as that’s all I mainly cut. (Like 2 a week) vs sharpening my Forrest blade 3 times in the last 3 years. It’s made it’s money and more. Diablo is fine for Light hardwood but not 3” thick stuff I cut daily.
@beckyt3870 3 жыл бұрын
For this to be a true test both blades would have to be of the same tooth count. Also, you should have had some sort hold down mechanism in play to keep the boards from raising off the table. I believe the burning took place near the ends because during the transition of pushing by hand then going to the push stick the blade was allowed to dwell there and and possibly burnish the board and the slight pinch it caused. I always leave the thin strips to the outside of the blade for better flow speed throughout the cut. Just my two cents.
@gregboggs2708 2 жыл бұрын
But he mentioned the difference in teeth many times😁
@pumpkinheadghoul 2 жыл бұрын
@@gregboggs2708 That still doesn't compensate for the difference in tooth count. It's still comparing two entirely different blades that are designed to do two entirely different things and give you two entirely different cuts, and then trying to determine which gives a better cut. That's like comparing a V8 to a 4 cylinder, and then claiming the 4 cylinder is better because it gets better gas mileage.
@jeffffro7674 2 жыл бұрын
I agree 💯 with you, how do you test two completely different blades against each other??!? The burning is operator error, to avoid burning, on ANY blade you've got to know how to read the grain and which direction to cut, which face up/down etc. I bought a Forrest Woodworker II when I 1st began doing work and I was building my shop solely on the fancy pants ads in mags, silly, I know, but here, 28 years later!!!!! and I still love it every time I use it!!!! I keep it for woods ONLY!!! For all other materials I use the crappier diablo and Freud blades.
@11211lcb Жыл бұрын
It is difficult to controll "crap construction grade" lumber when it is not flat or straight to begin with.
@danspackman1394 5 ай бұрын
Terrible comparison Why not do it fair?
@barryirby8609 3 жыл бұрын
Been using the Forrest WWII for twenty years. A great investment. Very versatile. I switch to a Diablo or even cheaper blade on lumber than might have nails or dirt and rocks. If you want to be amazed try using a 7 1/4" or 8" thin kerf blade. Feels like you doubled the size of the motor.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
thank you
@dudester2136 3 жыл бұрын
The differences in the blades observed are probably more due to the fact that one is a 60 tooth and the other is a 40 tooth. Also, the Diablo is a thin kerf, while the Forrest is a full kerf blade which may make an even bigger difference. The Delta saw that you have will have an easier time driving the thin kerf than the full kerf. Commercial table saws tend to the 3hp or 5hp so the kerf difference won't matter in those cases as much.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Possibly so. Thanks
@dimensionswoodworks 3 жыл бұрын
The WWII is also a thin kerf blade.
@dudester2136 3 жыл бұрын
@@dimensionswoodworks This one is standard Kerf. You can see it at the beginning of the video when he shows the packaging. The thin kerf is optional.
@richardfairchild1102 3 жыл бұрын
Two very different blades. Dudester it the nail on the head. When I had a smaller HP table saw, thin kerf was the only way to go (like Diablo used here). A standard kerf blade (like WWII used here) would bog down and leave more burn marks. Add to it the additional number of teeth on one blade versus the other and the experiment has too many different variables to come to a reasonable conclusion. I’d love to see all variables the same, Diablo vs Forrest! Love your videos 731 Woodworks.
@carlcox7332 2 жыл бұрын
Also the higher end blades are pretty cheap to have sharpened and you can get as many as 10 sharpenings on one blade so the overall savings over time is pretty substantial. But I totally use diablo or Freud myself. Both very good blades for the price
@ApexGuardian 3 жыл бұрын
I feel the tooth count difference will affect the outcome and I'm personally not to thrilled with the experiment due to this simple oversight. I'd like to see it done again with same tooth count
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
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@krishields2 3 жыл бұрын
Not just tooth count, but Rake also. Both factors make a significant difference in cut quality and longevity.
@4dchessplayer516 3 жыл бұрын
Stop trying to justify yourself for spending 150 on a blade :-)
@nico8587d 2 жыл бұрын
@@4dchessplayer516 That Forrest blade is very nice and cheaper in the long run after all the sharpenings you get. Lot of carpenters will tell you to spend your money on high quality blades and bits, ( router or drill bits).
@juanbeans9534 2 жыл бұрын
@@nico8587d this is what I was thinking. And when cutting plywood’s their blades are best
@monwell27 3 жыл бұрын
When I get a better saw I will start buying higher end blades. I can’t justify putting a 150 blade on a 300 saw. Just doesn’t seem right to me. Still saving for my sawstop
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
true
@Hagg506 3 жыл бұрын
I have been running a small wood working business for several years. I struggled with this question for a while and here is my opinion. The diablo blades are great, i like them a lot. The blade and carbide teeth tend to be thinner....so they are not hogging as much material as the thicker more expensive blades. I actually felt the diablo blades could cut thicker stock better as long as it was a fairly sharp blade. Where the thicker more expensive blades excel is the precision cuts. If you make boxes for example and you need perfect 45 degree cuts....measured to the thousands of an inch. The diablo blades either flex during the cut or just arent able to cut consistent enough to give you that type of precision. If you had a professional grade saw.....thicker (full kerf) blade....probably work better.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
makes sense. Thank you
@beej1254 3 жыл бұрын
I just want to say thank you for the videos you make and the information you share. I’m just getting into woodworking and am really excited to develop some new skills. You’re giving me the inspiration and courage to try! I wish I had a table saw, but thankfully I have some good friends who offered theirs for me to try
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Start building and the tools will come with time
@ronhansen7717 3 жыл бұрын
I bought a 60 tooth Amana blade for my table saw 18 years ago! It has finally gotten to the point where it is too dull to use. I forget how much I paid for it, but it was over $100. I know it sounds unbelievable, but true. Now, I don't do production work and the hardest wood I cut is cherry and oak, but it has worked fine until recently. I just bought 60 and 80 tooth Diablo blades for my Delta table saw (10") and Dewalt miter saw (12"), but haven't used them yet, I'll let you know how they turn out. My old Delta 10" miter saw has gone through a ton of cheap blades, but I cut all kinds of things on it, including aluminum and Hardy board siding.
@slow96ss 3 жыл бұрын
I have the same saw and recently bought high(er) end Amana and CMT blades. Personally, the longevity in sharpness of the higher quality blades outweighs the problems I encounter with a dull cheaper blade. Also, the Forrest is a full 1/8 kerf whereas the diablo or other box store blade is generally a thin kerf blade. Our saws need to work harder with the full kerf blades, but I've adjusted feed speed and am very happy :)
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
thank you
@mattbrumm8255 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate you doing beginner wood working project with beginner wood working tools. A lot of guys on YT use Festools and show how to do beginner projects. I’m not mad at them and I’d like to upgrade one day to those types of quality tools but you show people how to do it with the tools they have. God bless brother.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@michaeltippit9742 3 жыл бұрын
FYI The dust collection shroud has tabs on the side that pull up and allow the side to open and give you room to add and remove blades. Thanks, awesome content.
@billmoore6411 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this! It's time for me to change my saw blade on my table saw. And I recently purchased a 5 1/2" 20V Porter Cable saw that needs a blade, because the one that came with it doesn't cut worth a flip. I now know which brand to get for both of these.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help
@plunger110 3 жыл бұрын
A couple of further points of consideration, The HP of the saw being used. The Forrest blade is much heavier at a full1/8" kerf and massive carbide tips that can be re-sharpened numerous times (Forrest provides this service as well), The Diablo I believe is a "Thin" kerf blade at 3/32". I own the Forrest box joint set of blades and my saw is under 3hp and it is noticeable when the saw is first starting as to the weight difference as opposed to using a standard Dado set. The Freud is still a great blade, likely better for the occasional woodworker and the Forrest blade I would typically expect to see more often used in a more professional setting.
@jonathonevink4387 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that Matt! Glad to hear my Diablos can still hang with the spendy blades!
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
I was actually surprised
@brentciesliga 3 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate that you made this video! I just asked you about saw blades a week or so ago and this is exactly what I was hoping for. Thanks so much, Matt!
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to help
@thedesertworkshop 2 жыл бұрын
To me it looked like the kerf of your blades were different. The Forest is taking a lot of wood out at one time (better for more hp saws) The Diablo was taking out less wood... The thin kerf will help when you only have a 2hp saw or less. This is why I bought the Spyder blade rather than the manufacture blade. Thanks for doing this video!
@nolimitnuggetb 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a Diablo fan, especially compared to the factory blades on the cheaper to midrange tools. I will say that I recently had upgrade to a carbide ripping blade for 8/4 red oak on a current project. Diablo was burning and struggling. Still a Diablo fan, but learning to use the right blade for the job
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
They are good
@roycethompson3386 3 жыл бұрын
Somebody explained it well by saying that the value is in the longevity. Brand new, both blades will cut excellent. But when it’s time to get them sharpened, which costs about 25$, I will spend 25$ to get back basically a new 30$ blade with Diablo. I will spend 25$ to get back a new 150$ blade with Forrest.
@carlcox7332 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. And some of the ulra premium blades you can get 10 sharpenings from a single blade saving a huge amount over the entire life
@brianbradburn6635 3 жыл бұрын
Right there with you, sir. I have used (not bought) some very expensive blades myself. Diablos blades are awesome and my blade of choice in my shop. I have them on my miter saw, table saw and circular saw. Thanks for the comparison and all the content you put out
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
thank you
@raymondjoseph7177 3 жыл бұрын
Most honest answer I've seen yet. As you said, for the products your making it's a no brainer. I honestly feel the same about festool. You see guys online with $5000 table saws making $100 cutting boards. Then you watch a guy in the Amazon make a cutting board with a rock and some sand and realize it's not the big $$$ tool all the time.
@mattnewhouse4560 3 жыл бұрын
I get my Diablo blades re-sharpened locally for $.25 per tooth ($15 for a 60 tooth) . With 4 in rotation I never have to worry about having a sharp blade on hand.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Nice
@jeffmardock4899 3 жыл бұрын
forrest blade can be sent away and get sharpened for free for life.
@jeffmardock4899 3 жыл бұрын
This does appear to be bad info. My mistake.
@BrundonC 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love and recommend my Forrest blades. The cut quality, is amazing, the ability to resharpen is fantastic and the blades overall are just better. For the average homeowner or DIY person. No, you don’t need Forrest. But if you care, and you use a saw daily, you’ll love Forrest.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@bombamanwa 3 жыл бұрын
Agree, there are some differences between the blade, Thin Kerf (0.098" on the Diablo) and Full Kerf (0.125" on the WW2) (+27% more material to remove) ontop of the tooth difference. (40 v 60T) and tooth profile. Additionally because they are made locally (NJ) the support is local for the Professional. Given the circumstances, Matt's outcome was fair, and I would of been supprised if he recommended it for the small project maker/DIY-er. Its essentially the saw blade version of a Festool ETS 125 vs a DeWalt DWE6423.
@CentralNH 3 жыл бұрын
For a better cut,less scrap, more accurate cuts and a safer saw throw those 10" blades out the window! A smaller blade less heat,less wear and tear on your saw, more accurate, smaller curf less waste, the only time I use a 10" blade is for taller stock or a 4x4, way less $$$ than 10" too. Great video comparison. Do one on a diablo 10 and a 7 1/4 on your saw I did years ago and rarely use a 10. A 10 saw doesn't mean you need to use a 10" blade. Ask yourself this...how often do I cut something thicker than a 2x4? If number is huge use a 10 but it is so amazing how much smoother and quieter your saw runs.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Nice tips
@64maxpower 3 жыл бұрын
I was part of a crew installing kitchens in a hi rise in NYC. The cabinets were a gel coat . Cutting fillers we would use the Diablo Blades. They were excellent. Any cheaper blade chipped cuts after one apartment, and Diablo Blades lasted for 2 floors of Kitchens. And would still be good for cutting anything that didn't have a hi dollar finish. Can't beat those blades.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@dimensionswoodworks 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve used both, and many other blades. The real difference comes in time. While they’ll both cut wood , my Forrest has been on my saw (the exact same saw that you have ) for over a year. And the cut quality is absolutely SUPERIOR. Especially on plywood, the finished cut is still perfect and all I’ve done is clean the blades. On another note, the “silicone” (wax) around the Forrest is to protect the teeth from getting banged up during shipping. Also get yourself a telescopic mechanic magnet for that arbor nut that always seems to fall 😂
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
lol thank you
@rtgray7 3 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see more videos like this! That fence on your table saw looks like the ones on $3500 saws. Saving up to get me one. Thanks.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
thanks. It's a nice saw
@ciphercode2298 3 жыл бұрын
If you can find them in stock,his is a delta 36-725. I bought the slightly newer 36-725t2 model that's 15amps instead of 13,and it has the thin strip ripping attachment on the fence. Its hands down the best saw in that price range($599). If you decide to get one,do yourself a favor and order the dado insert for another $39 on lowes website. I also recently found and bought an old craftsman moulding head cutter and it fits through the dado insert whereas many dado inserts are to narrow for a moulding head cutter. My saw has been dead on accurate and solid as a rock for over a year now. Hope you enjoy yours.
@ashokmoghe8035 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear you're sticking with Diablos. They have been my blades of choice on my TS (same 1060X) & CS (0760). Just love them. And for those claiming longevity of the Forrest, I wonder if it is more than 4.2 times long lasting without sharpening?
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't think so
@stevenlovell4445 3 жыл бұрын
Yes I use them both. They each have there own use. Biggest difference to me my contractor saw I started with has less power for 1/8 kerf of the Forrest but Diablo being thin kerf. However my 12” 5 hp cabinet saw which has power like crazy I mostly use the Forrest. Saw power makes a difference too!
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
awesome. thanks for sharing
@chrisnash2154 3 жыл бұрын
Man! You have GENEROUS viewers! I’m with you brother. For cost of one Forest River, I bought 3 Diablo blades, (24 tooth for ripping, 50 tooth for general purpose and an 80 tooth for fine finishes) for less than that one blade. I’m an average Joe so average tools are just fine for me.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Yes I do. Very generous. We have been blessed
@capri2wd 3 жыл бұрын
I applied the same logic to my chop saw, and i'm well happy with it. not got space for a table saw tho...
@danieldrake8908 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt - just want to commend you on your hard work! I started following you when you had under 25k subscribers, and look at you now - you and Mrs. 731 are officially the hardest working couple in woodworking! My wife and I were also married on 7/31 by the way. Maybe we should collaborate on a 731 club! Cheers!
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. That’s awesome 👊🏻
@martingayle5376 3 жыл бұрын
@@731Woodworks Hmmmm... I am new here. I thought 0731 was 1 Corinthians 7:31- Those who use the things of the world...
@jlgrrt1 3 жыл бұрын
Another 731 couple over here.
@Dahna_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@martingayle5376 I thought maybe 731 was their house number. can you clarify why you chose the name?
@thomasweaver905 3 ай бұрын
You are correct. My feelings exactly. I have paid a lot more than $35 for Diablo blades....90 tooth miter, 72 tooth table saw. My miter saw blade is about a year and a half old, still cuts fine.
@rightinglegends9289 3 жыл бұрын
I have an Inca Table Saw that I restored, and the only blade I could find for it with a 20mm arbor hole was an 8" 40 tooth from Forest. I have come to love the blade I got from them as it cuts like a dream. I have another table saw that has a 10" 60 tooth Diablo installed, and I find myself using the Inca with the Forest Unless I am ripping sheets in which case an Inca is to small.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
thanks
@TheNATE8599 3 жыл бұрын
good video!!! I'm just at the point where my Diablo needs to be replaced (used for a year, probably 50 hours cut time) and Mrs KiltsCanDo suggested a More expensive blade like a forrest. so this video came JIT!
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
👊🏻
@mr.c6674 3 жыл бұрын
Is it something you can actually quantify to say it's better?
@treywalker8344 3 жыл бұрын
I've actually had good luck with an Irwin Marples blade from lowes
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
nice
@borislum1998 2 жыл бұрын
I am a Diablo combo blade guy because they are sharp: they are thin kerf; they use a very good anti-virbration system (does not ring like a bell): can be resharpened (about $20); and often on sale. Good video
@phoenixwoodworks2660 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a trim/cabinet carpenter with 15 years in the craft I used to favor Irwin blades until about 6 years or so ago when I had to buy a diablo 7 1/4" in a pinch and I loved the ease of the cut not the speed it doesn't really cut faster then any other blade but it's definitely a clean crisp cut line also I noticed that the 6 1/2" diable blade on my 20v dewalt skill saw lasted alot longer by atleast %30 I just wished they made diablo vibra-saw blades or maybe they do and I haven't seen the yet ...anyway stick with diablo Matt you won't regret it and I love your chanell keep making saw dust!
@bourbonsnob8218 3 жыл бұрын
Love Diablo blades! Had good luck with Dewalt as well. $150? It better last all year.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
lol for sure
@savage6394 3 жыл бұрын
I really hope there’s not much a difference, just so I don’t need to start wanting one.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
👍🏻
@jimcooney9019 2 жыл бұрын
when you buy a professional blade they all come that way and the burning would be due from stress from the wood different parts of the wood will be stressed in different ways you got a ways to go young man
@Turtlesbekool 3 жыл бұрын
I love that you used the free blade you got to test for us beginners....great video brother, I hope you’re able to do more “vs.” videos!!!
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
More to come!
@GraffWoodshop 3 жыл бұрын
Been waiting on this one!
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
👊🏻
@Pauken11 3 жыл бұрын
One reason that the Forrest burned is the tooth geometry. The Forrest teeth are parallel and polished on the sides where the Diablo teeth are beveled on the sides for more clearance in the kerf.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info
@SwearingenTurnings 3 жыл бұрын
I just made the jump from "hobbyist" level blades (Diablo, etc.) to Forrest. (I paused the video right after you asked to post this.) YES. 100 TIMES YES. I bought a dedicated cross cut and a dedicated ripping blade for my fledgling business (which YOU helped me start!) and, man, the difference is night and day. I love their performance. I plan on buying another of each to have on hand when I send these off for sharpening. So yeah, I don't regret it AT ALL.
@SwearingenTurnings 3 жыл бұрын
Now that the video is done: I agree with you. For a hobbyist, the Diablo is a good blade. For a professional or semi-pro, I think the Forrest is worth it, especially if you buy dedicated blades (ripping, cross cut, laminate).
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@davebuehner4307 6 ай бұрын
Some folks drive a Chevy Spark and are happy, others prefer to drive Bentley. Don’t buy a Bentley if you only drive occasionally and don’t appreciate the refined handling and luxury. Sure the Spark is easier to park, gets better mileage and costs less, but …. Don’t buy the Forrest if your saw is underpowered or if you change blades often, it is a premium blade for better performance on cabinet saws by craftsman that have come to demand the best they can find. If your saw is a contractor version or underpowered the Forrest is probably not for you. (Also if you have a sawstop). Slop in the shaft bearings, belt vibration, lack of solid dampening will all compromise that Bentley luxury. Stick to a value thin curb blade, keep a fatter wallet and a clean conscience. Good is good enough. Muck like Festool, they might be better, but still unnecessary for most craftsman. Similarly with Forrest, better to cut with a clean sharp blade using a solid setup with true square jigs than throw money into tools that won’t make a difference in your skill level. BTW for the best results - use a blade stiffener and raise the blade to the bottom of the gullet in the cut. Remember it’s not the tools that turn a woodworker into a craftsman, it’s the results. But tools can make it more fun.
@bernkondret9981 2 жыл бұрын
I really like the Diablo blades. I also have Freud thin kerf blades for my job site saw. Less teeth for ripping and a dedicated rip blade will make a big difference. I would say the burning was because the saw bogged down a little.
@tedalmeida 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see the same test and include a 7 1/4" circular saw diablo blade on the tablesaw.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Would it fit?
@MrJmwkdw 3 жыл бұрын
@@charlieodom9107 I use a 7 1/4" Diablo on my TS when ripping and it makes a world of a difference. and thanks again Matt for another great video
@markpuente5569 3 жыл бұрын
Matt, thanks for the shoutout to Working The Grain hardwoods variety pack! A virtual fist bump back to you bro. Keep up the great content and educate us all! WTG Hardwoods
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you 👊🏻
@jeffwilder7117 8 ай бұрын
I have a full kerf Diablo ATBF blade. I really like it. You don’t find this one at a big box store. Only mail order or woodworking stores. Every 5th tooth is flat. I also have a Ridge Carbide full kerf combination blade. It’s a little cheaper than the Forrest but an incredible blade. Great cuts. No burning.
@thomasheroux3146 3 жыл бұрын
So glad you did this video! Was very curious as to how different these blades were. Thanks Matt! 😁👍
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome
@lannettelaforge9537 3 жыл бұрын
I'd be interested in seeing what the results would be after using each of them for a couple months or so. Not that I'm anywhere near the $150 blade stage yet. I've still got my woodworking training wheels on. 😆
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
lol
@markkrotchen8921 3 жыл бұрын
Don't be afraid to buy it I bought my first one about 20 years ago I have four of the woodworker II and several other Forrest blades until they come out with something better I refuse to buy anything else
@markkrotchen8921 3 жыл бұрын
I used my woodworker 2 blade everyday in my shop and only send them out to be sharpened after 3 to 4 months worth of use a cut primarily Hardwoods such as red oak and hard maple touch me don't be afraid of the blade LOL
@gtjman1 3 жыл бұрын
I’m going to guess that, out of the box, you won’t be able to tell the difference. I think the difference is going to come over time (longevity).
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Thank
@andrewnayl 3 жыл бұрын
How many times can you sharpen a Diablo blade? I know Forrest blades can be sharpened multiple times.
@dimensionswoodworks 3 жыл бұрын
☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻 This guy is ABSOLUTELY correct 😃
@LemonySnicket-EUC 3 жыл бұрын
@@andrewnayl Diablo can also
@andrewnayl 3 жыл бұрын
@@LemonySnicket-EUC I’m willing to bet Forrest blades hold their edge longer and can be sharpened more. However, for the average person, I think Diablo blades are plenty sufficient. Forrest seems to be tailored more towards professional wood workers.
@jeffreystewart6571 3 жыл бұрын
I have been using Diablo 10" saw blades for many years. I have never been disappointed with the results.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
👊🏻
@ciphercode2298 3 жыл бұрын
I use a 40 tooth for almost all my table saw work. The only exception is real thick material, which I use a 24 tooth ripping blade. I have used a 60 tooth blade for plywood, but I usually just stick with my 40 tooth. My radial arm saw and miter saw keep 60 tooth blades for clean crosscut. I've never had an expensive blade. My rip blade is an old irwin marathon blade and my 40 tooth is an Irwin marple blade I've had for years. I have other old blades I've bought and sharpened from discount stores and flea markets
@michaelparcus3625 3 жыл бұрын
I’ll never be without my Forrest.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
👊
@kkehoe5 3 жыл бұрын
Buy one blade that I will need to spend more money on to have it sharpened, and also be without it for at least a week while it is shipped out of my shop, or buy four Diablo blades that can be swapped out in minutes and let you continue making sawdust? It’s a no brainer. You’d need at least two Forrest blades if you don’t want down time in your shop.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@carlomiranda3799 3 жыл бұрын
Good point.
@vidalpreis3122 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. Watching this led me to watch some of your other content. I'm recently retired and was planning on doing some woodworking to sell and supplement my income. I'm finding your videos informative and inspirational. Thanks for that. I'm looking forward to watching your past and future content.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@andrescruz7969 2 жыл бұрын
I work at Forrest manufacturing and we do servicing on all blades if there's not too many broken tips..
@simplereflectionofchristianity 3 жыл бұрын
haha I can't even get my head around those expensive blades LOL not only can I not afford them I to use Diablo and the same one for quite some time now and have even cut through a screw not intentionally and its still cutting good not great as before but I would still be kicking myself had I done that on a $150.00 blade LOL
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
For sure they are very expensive
@lonewolfwoodworks6802 3 жыл бұрын
"Ripping boards and praising the lord!"
@lonewolfwoodworks6802 3 жыл бұрын
Your welcome lol
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
ha, that is fantastic!
@kennysoutherland9801 3 жыл бұрын
Get a magnetic wand for when you drop the nut down in your table saw dust collection. Much easier than fishing it out by hand. You can get one that is good enough at Harbor Freight for $3.
@TheJerryWatson 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt, Diablo 12" on my miter saw and I just got a two pack of 10" Dewalt 40 and 80 tooth. Have not installed yet. I will let you know if I like the d,walt when I use one. Diablo has served me well on the miter saw so far. Very fine cut.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
I like DeWalt blades as well
@TheJerryWatson 3 жыл бұрын
@@731Woodworks Update, put dewalt 80 t on the cobalt 10-15 t/saw. It works like a knife through butter and very smooth cut. Made a drawer for my wrk table just for kicks and it did great. Just thought you would like to know.
@CycoBillywoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
try a ridge carbide blade and start wearing your dust mask with these woods your lungs cost more than any saw blade
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
thanks
@dragonetti25 3 жыл бұрын
Pshh, saw dust makes you 💪. Guess bullying is bad too?
@seanbrotherton542 3 жыл бұрын
The Forrest blade has a much higher amount of carbide on the teeth and is able to be sharpened numerous times. It will far outlast your next $150 in diablo blades. At this level woodworkers are likely sharpening the blades themselves.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the info
@Dolamite314 3 жыл бұрын
I'm new to all this. Bought a house last year and went out and got what I think is a decent miter saw to do some upgrades to the house. My boss at my job told me to get a Diablo blade. Said I wouldn't regret it. Man.... it cut so much smoother than the stock blade. I was sold. Diablo is the way to go in my book.
@quirkygreece 3 ай бұрын
Yup - I’m definitely in the “disposable” blade camp here. It’s less hassle to just buy a new blade than to send it off and wait for it to come back, plus, of course, you need another blade to use while you’re waiting, so for a Forest blade it’s not $150 but $300.
@josephgraham1065 3 жыл бұрын
I dont think it was a fair test with the tooth count being different, That being said no way I can afford 150 for blade.... Diablo yes
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
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@mattmayes599 3 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure the reason why there was more burn marks with the Forrest blade is that it is a full kerf blade. The Diablo's are thin kerf blades. Full kerf blades need a certain amount of HP in a saw to work well. If the saw isn't strong enough it will bog down and cause burn marks among other things. Thin kerf blades are for lower powered saws. The carbide teeth are much thicker on the higher priced blades. Thanks for the great videos and info 👊👍
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the info
@guybowers9094 3 жыл бұрын
I have a Diablo on my mitre saw and makes very nice cuts but since I bought the Forest blades at a wood show for my tablesaw that's what I'm using on it and it sure does make some clean cuts
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
👊🏻
@nathanharrison6128 3 жыл бұрын
I am not sure if you have the same type a table saw. But on the job site saw that I use. I can get the bolt off and back on easy when I raised the blade completely up. You might have already done that possible
@bjaminf113 3 жыл бұрын
Honest opinions, love it! Thanks!
@goodscustomfurniture 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you. Have a Wonderful and Blessed Day!!! 😀
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! You too!
@johnthemaker8796 3 жыл бұрын
The difference between a Diablo thin kerf blade and say a Forrest full kerf blade, is the fact that the full kerf blade is going to be more stable during a cut. One thing that I've noticed with the Diablo, and don't get me wrong I use a lot of Diablo blades for certain things, is that when cutting wood with particular grain patterns the blade will Flex slightly as it tries to follow the grain during the cut. This isn't because there's anything "wrong" with the blade except the fact that it's thin. The forest blade is made from a much thicker piece of Steel and therefore is less susceptible to flex during a cut. This is really only important when you are doing very high high-precision jointing operations. I build musical instruments, and when I need really tight precision (I.e. very very straight cuts) I always reach for a full kerf blade.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing that
@hyrulehyzers 3 жыл бұрын
If you get burns on a rip cut it means one of two things... 1, feed rate is not matching saw power or 2, fence and blade are not parallel. More often it's #2. You mentioned you noticed tighter tolerances for the arbor hole, the entire blade from Forrest is like that. The Diablo has more flex and different tooth geometry to compensate for the slightly looser tolerances of its target market giving the perception of keeping up with the Forrest blade. Your Delta table saw is a good saw and can be dialed in well. If you take an hour or so to get OCD with aligning the trunions to your miter slot and the fence to the blade then magic will endow your saw and you'll really see the difference a higher dollar blade can make.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@izakgallegos5840 3 жыл бұрын
Diablo is my go to for everything. Circular saw blades, sand papers, spade bits, jigsaw blades, and recip blades. All excellent
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@dbredeson77 3 жыл бұрын
Nice review. Any blade will scorch the wood in between pushes and that is common. I use Tenryu Gold blades and they retail for about $125. I notice that they are much less prone to deflection and even with a lower tooth count (40 tooth) it provides a very clean cut. I cant wait to see your opinion after a month.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
thanks
@hansdegroot8549 3 жыл бұрын
Great comparison video. Thanks for sharing. My cheap table saw (135 Euro - 160 USD) came with 2 blades included in the price. No name brand of the blades but the cutting is OK. I don't use the table saw very often yet. I only have it 4 months in use now. My sliding mitre saw is more than 10 years old. Last year I changed the blade for the first time. It had become "a little" dull. I bought some 7€ (9USD) saw blades and I couldn't believe how much difference that makes. I hope to spend more time in my shop the coming years. So maybe in the future I'll buy expensive DIABLO blades.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
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@thomasroach4791 3 жыл бұрын
I have the diablo 50 tooth combination blade in my table saw and the compound miter saw. Haven't looked back since!! Great video.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Good choice!
@chuckpalmer3926 3 жыл бұрын
You are right, unless you’re a professional making high-end items. Appreciate your work.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that!
@michaelmattia932 2 жыл бұрын
You are 100% correct on the blade choice when you can buy 4 of the cheaper blades that perform well for the projects you make, I feel like that status of saying "My blades are $150 each" just proves the old saying that a "Fool and his money are soon parted" My dad always taught me do make do with what have. Great comparison!
@dottyjyoung Жыл бұрын
Ok, this makes me happy--that Chechen has 2x the hardness of black walnut. My table saw was binding up all day yesterday on some reclaimed wood, & it drove me nuts.
@PTC61 Жыл бұрын
I like your channel and expected better on this one. I have had a Forrest blade and it is incredible. Also very expensive. I bought mine 22 years ago for a specific project. It makes more precise cuts and the cuts leave no saw marks. I would never let my Forrest blade get gummed up cutting soft wood. I only put it on my table saw when I am making final cuts on hardwood. 22 years later it still makes flawless, no sanding required, cuts.
@mccmike 3 жыл бұрын
You should really see if you can fine a shop that does precision sharpening. My Dad, before he died, sharpened blades. He made sure angle was correct and the amount of set on conventional blades were set within tolerances. He had carpenters both framers and finish carpenters from two counties away brought their blades to him to sharpen. One of them commented that the blades he sharpened were much better that brand new blades and much cheaper too. Love your channel. Keep up the great work.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@chashint1 3 жыл бұрын
I have been very satisfied with the higher level Freud blades. When I started building jewelry boxes and hardwood furniture I needed a blade that cut flat bottom grooves and I bought a Forrest 40 tooth #1 grind blade. I don’t usually get attached to “stuff” but I really enjoy using this blade and it stays on the saw almost 100% of the time. If I did not need to use it for the flat bottom cuts I never would have bought it though. There are plenty of very good blades available at many different price points and regardless of whether it costs a little or costs a lot, if you like using it no justifications are necessary for your choice.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Very true
@BPinney 2 жыл бұрын
Long time Freud customer. Love having a good ripping blade and a good plywood blade. And I don't mind it when I need to replace them
@starseeddeluxe 10 ай бұрын
Something that most people don't realize; the Forrest blades don't have any anti-kickback raker teeth, only cutting teeth. On a miter saw or radial arm saw, if you don't have the anti-kickback rakers, it means the blade can go into a runaway climb or kickback easier. All 40 tooth Diablo blades have raker teeth that limit the bite, just like a chainsaw chain. If you push your saw too hard, the non-cutting raker teeth will prevent the blade from grabbing too much material and going into a kickback or (climb on a radial arm saw).
@bradymiguel 2 жыл бұрын
I buy all Diablo cutting implements. I bet the expensive blade would probably last longer because they’re known to use a TON of carbide on their teeth. But when most people think their saw blade is dulling, it usually just needs a good cleaning. But you can also send your carbide toothed Diablo blade in for service and sharpening. Most people don’t know that.
@richardfowler3254 3 жыл бұрын
I am a Diablo fan as well, most of us do not have really expensive woodwork tools and there is so much other things I could buy with $150. My personal table saw cost the same as 2 of the Forest blades. I will bet the Forest has a thicker kerf than the Diablo and what I have been told is that a thicker kerf is nice on a cabinet saw. Also, the material on the Forest was to protect the blade tips for shipping and storage to keep the teeth from getting a "ding" and possibly making the blade wobble...
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@pathfollower 9 ай бұрын
Just purchased two bags of colorado red quebracho. It was the only way I could find it. Janka hardness of 4570. Try to make some stuff out of it. We shall see. Mallets, handles, knife scales, also outdoor stuff like 50-year bird houses.
@soujrnr 2 жыл бұрын
As a rank amateur, I think I'd rather see this done with identical blades just because I don't know what I don't know about a number of things mentioned in the comments by others. I think the last blades I bought were Dewalt, and they seem to be working quite well. I am going to try the Diablo next time around. Thanks for the review though. It has caused me to look more into what makes one blade better than another, as well as the various uses they are suited for.
@michaelbevansiii17 2 жыл бұрын
I have been using DeWalt blades for the past ten years,they offer a extremely good quality cut of hardwood and plywood for the money. I use DeWalt blades on all three of my miter saws ,on my 10 inch 12 in and my table saws and my radial arm saws with no problem
@alexalan9017 3 жыл бұрын
i used to work in saw sharpening and repair that stuff around the blade (cant remember what its called its been a few years) its to prtect the tct tips in transport they break very easy if knocked
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
thanks
@aaronm8046 3 жыл бұрын
It probably bound up because you had the blade too low. The pros say you want the last tooth on the down turn to be outside of the wood. This means you want your highest tooth of the blade to be apx 3/8, 1/2" above the cut depth. This helps clear chips, reduce heat, and help with kickback! Good video!
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@huejanus5505 2 жыл бұрын
I was reading what the manufacturers of blades were saying on blade height. They say the bottom of the gullet should be level with the top of the wood for the blade to work as designed.
@Zamboni-0805 3 жыл бұрын
One other thing I would like to point out is you and your channel caters more towards the weekend warrior or DIY'er, so a less expensive blade makes more sense. That why 90% of the comment agree with you. However, a full blown cabinet maker or a custom fine woodworker are going to appreciate the quality and longevity of the higher end blades. That is like saying a Festool anything is no better than a lower end power tool, sure they both get the job done, but we both know that there is a difference. It all depends on the kind of work you do, that drives the quality of tool you use.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
That's why I say towards the end of the video, for a beginner woodworker, go with the Diablo
@stephenreeves8297 3 жыл бұрын
I with you on this one. It didn’t seem like there was enough different in performance to justify the cost.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@jimgott119 6 ай бұрын
Totally agree. I have a SawStop and it’s much easier and quicker to change blades. I use Diablo blades and get great cuts. I use a 24 tooth rip blade for ripping and a 60 or 80 tooth for other cuts. The 24 tooth rip blade is extremely smooth and delivers excellent results with no resistance. Another consideration is that if I ever get a brake activation it’s a lot less to replace a Diablo than a more expensive blade.
@4321Woodworking 3 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking there may be somewhere in between those that's a good compromise but I'm not sure. My saw came with a CMT blade on it which I think is double the Diablo in cost but has worked very well for me since I got the saw.
@731Woodworks 3 жыл бұрын
I've heard from several that say the CMT blade is the in between of the two. Lots swear by the CMTs
@robertkerby2581 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent job, and comparison! Well done!
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