Distracted Pilot Almost Shutdown Major Airport | ATC vs Pilots

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2 жыл бұрын

Student pilot gets confused with his directions and flies into airspace for major airport without permission.
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@mac7Attack1
@mac7Attack1 2 жыл бұрын
As a current student pilot, who just completed my solo cross country’s, the controllers/towers attitude has a huge impact. I was pretty nervous landing on my cross country solo at KSBD, the ATC was very calm and cool and it instantly made me feel more relaxed. Big thanks to all the patient and kind controllers around the world, y’all are the best!
@evanharness2850
@evanharness2850 2 жыл бұрын
Damn they got you flying cross country solos to KSBD?
@mac7Attack1
@mac7Attack1 2 жыл бұрын
@@evanharness2850 Yeah first one was to KHMT, Second was to KSBD (Coming from Montgomery Feild KMYF) it was very funny landing a Piper Archer on a 10,000 ft runway
@toddsmith8608
@toddsmith8608 2 жыл бұрын
100% agree, this controller did a fantastic job all around. Attitude makes a huge difference. The pilot sounded too green to know that "left-bound" isn't a thing, but he should have been aware of the class bravo south of him. Great job by Kelsey of explaining everything, as usual. Good learning experience for everyone.
@cassijane22
@cassijane22 2 жыл бұрын
I used to do line service at SBD! The controllers there are outstanding! I love how small the aviation community is 😄 congrats on your solo. I used to love listening to the radios and heading outside to flag down students on their solo because they'd always get lost.
@mac7Attack1
@mac7Attack1 2 жыл бұрын
@@cassijane22 Thats awesome thank you! And thanks for your work put in out there helping us green peas
@dandodman
@dandodman 10 ай бұрын
I like the way the ATC told the pilot to call him...like a dad saying "I'm not angry just dissapointed" 😂
@chrisstromberg6527
@chrisstromberg6527 4 ай бұрын
Except it is a recorded line and they are trying to coax a confession out of you that you screwed up and they did not. Call them if you like, but admit nothing.
@JAleksandr
@JAleksandr 4 ай бұрын
It’s not a matter of “call them if you like”…if they give you a number you actually have to call. There is absolutely no getting out of that.
@Fausieigsvwnkis
@Fausieigsvwnkis 3 ай бұрын
@@JAleksandrI was going to say the same thing. It’s not your decision to call or not. If they give you a number you have to call it as soon as you’ve parked.
@BruderSenf
@BruderSenf Жыл бұрын
"you cant just walk away from me like that ive got more to talk to you about" there is a lot of dad power in that sentence xD
@becker8192
@becker8192 2 жыл бұрын
"There is no left-bound in aviation." True, but it reminds me of a conversation I had in Iraq many years ago. I was working at a ground station, talking to an ISR pilot. The ISR plane would spend its entire mission orbiting around one target on the ground... hours and hours of a left-hand turn. They had sensors on-board that pointed to the left. Anyway, I asked the pilot for his heading, and he said, "Left." I got the joke.
@srcastic8764
@srcastic8764 2 жыл бұрын
I was in the Air Force and was with AWACS back in the early 90’s. Once we arrived to wherever we were assigned to be we would loiter there for hours to control that airspace. This would typically be done by flying a big oval, like a racetrack. So we flew a “left” heading a LOT.
@VoidHalo
@VoidHalo 2 жыл бұрын
@@srcastic8764 How much NASCAR did you guys watch for your training? =P Seriously though, thanks to both of you for your service. Regardless of what country you served with, we're all allies so I'm grateful to all who served. Not just my Canadian countrymen.
@srcastic8764
@srcastic8764 2 жыл бұрын
@@VoidHalo thank you. Worked with some of your countrymen when they trained with us to learn about working with the NATO AWACS birds. Great guys.
@livelyupmyself1
@livelyupmyself1 2 жыл бұрын
We should just start calling north/south east/west - up/down left/right
@Acidlib
@Acidlib 2 жыл бұрын
@@livelyupmyself1 except that wouldn’t make any sense, regular directions (^v) are relative to each person, whereas the cardinal directions (N,S,E,W) are constant (like a lot of people it took me a while to figure out as a kid, I always thought the direction I was facing was north, but now as an adult I almost always know which direction is north wherever I’m at, the only time I regularly get confused is when I come out of subway/underground metro stations in big cities), if you used the same words for both things would get confusing fast, not to mention that up and down could mean both north and forward/south and backward , but also a positive or negative change in altitude. To summarize, it sounds like it would just be a never ending mess of “your left or my left?”, “who’s on first?”-style shenanigans.
@davidp2888
@davidp2888 2 жыл бұрын
Education with a healthy dose of humor…love Kelsey’s style.
@Dani-it5sy
@Dani-it5sy 2 жыл бұрын
I have started to say it as well. My kids wonder what's wrong with me when I say: Dinner for 4.... comin' up 😎
@74gear
@74gear 2 жыл бұрын
glad you get my humor David! thanks for watching.
@noahgeerdink5144
@noahgeerdink5144 2 жыл бұрын
And a pinch of sarcasm
@SWC44
@SWC44 2 жыл бұрын
@@noahgeerdink5144 DITTO, LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!
@johndunn678
@johndunn678 2 жыл бұрын
@@74gear speaking of airport incidents, have you ever looked up the "Lawnchair Larry" incident?
@sweetporcupine56
@sweetporcupine56 2 жыл бұрын
ATC: You’re in the bravo! Pilot: How about we just pretend that never happened?
@gang4001
@gang4001 2 жыл бұрын
“Frequency changed approved” 😭
@denisecoleman446
@denisecoleman446 2 жыл бұрын
Kelsey, aviation is very similar to the medical/nursing profession. I always told my new nurses when they started to never hesitate to clarify an order, or ask a question if you were unsure. Both of our professions are about keeping people alive, so there’s no shame in clarifying ANYTHING. Love your channel.😎
@georgesheffield1580
@georgesheffield1580 Жыл бұрын
That and us correct ,consistent and professional diction .
@johnmcleodvii
@johnmcleodvii Жыл бұрын
My wife is an MD. The nurse and the pharmacist are the last lines of safety. If the doctor's order does not appear to make sense, ask for a clarification. Sometimes it was a misunderstanding or a miskey.
@MikeDCWeld
@MikeDCWeld 10 ай бұрын
Aviation has nothing to do with keeping people alive, that's just a side effect in the majority of cases. A large portion of military aviation is actually focused on killing people, both in the air and on the ground. Civilian aviation is about transporting people and/or cargo from one place to another through the air.
@glasshalffull2930
@glasshalffull2930 7 ай бұрын
⁠​⁠@@MikeDCWeldYeah, all that stuff is just a waste of time. No need for pilots to have licenses or physicals or ATC to exist or planes to need air worthiness certificates. All those regulations are a bother and no need to have plane parts to be certified and those seatbelts/oxygen masks/evacuation doors/slides, no need for NTSB to investigate crashes, etc, etc, etc, etc aren’t really necessary. Actually, besides a nuclear power plant, I can’t think of any industry that is as highly regulated as the aviation industry and the purpose of all these regulations is so fewer people are killed. The public and aviation industry really don’t want ‘daily’ air disasters that kill hundreds of people.
@CarolP2045
@CarolP2045 6 ай бұрын
Im a nurse and a pilot, never thought of it this way!
@pauljoseph8338
@pauljoseph8338 2 жыл бұрын
Seems like it takes a big brain to be an ATC. There’s no way I could juggle so many things at once! Props.
@og_allex136
@og_allex136 2 жыл бұрын
😅 you don’t have to be a big brain at all it’s just more common sense and making sure you know and understand the rules than anything
@concorde3980
@concorde3980 2 жыл бұрын
Props, jets and rotors actually.
@RK-252
@RK-252 2 жыл бұрын
@@concorde3980 nice. 🤣
@tristanmack5779
@tristanmack5779 2 жыл бұрын
That's why they get paid the big bucks 😉 Definitely a job that could induce stress if you have multiple wrong things going on at once.
@PCLHH
@PCLHH Жыл бұрын
Yeah flying is a lot easier than being an ATC...
@AV8R_Surge
@AV8R_Surge 2 жыл бұрын
It's probably me, but talking to NYC while flying through the Bravo, I repeatedly asked for "say again". It felt awkward and granted: I'm a rookie, it was my first time in the Bravo, and I learned at a pilot controlled airport. But ATC was accommodating and considerate. And I went with an instructor as a backup. I realized, then that I need to get me a noise canceling headset. My David Clark were great for learning, but I need to upgrade. Especially as my hearing dwindles.
@74gear
@74gear 2 жыл бұрын
ya I always use noise cancelling its definitely worth the investment if you are going to be flying often
@DavidKozinski
@DavidKozinski 2 жыл бұрын
I use a Bose headset and Love it. Worth the investment.
@swe223
@swe223 2 жыл бұрын
I had the same experience, and unfortunately it's when you're a new student and have the hardest time of your life just communicating that you get the crappiest headset and can't hear a thing. Instructors who always have the most expensive NC headsets for themselves need to be more aware of this.
@michaelhoffmann2891
@michaelhoffmann2891 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree, it made such a huge difference. Back when I flew in the US, they were just appearing on the market. There was a company that you sent your DCs to and they would convert them to n.c. Wow, night and day. Especially for IFR!
@colonelmomo666
@colonelmomo666 2 жыл бұрын
Any recommandation for a good noise cancelling headset? I'm just starting out as a student pilot and what I fear the most is not being able to hear my instructor and ATC clearly. Sometimes I can't tell if I'm stupid and not understanding them or simply not hearing right. Having a good headset will definitely clear that doubt xD
@skydiverclassc2031
@skydiverclassc2031 2 жыл бұрын
Radio traffic is always a bit suspect, even on good days. I worked my career as a firefighter, and one day I got a call for "a fall victim". I radioed back, asking for staging location, thinking he said "assault victim", which requires police protection. The dispatcher was mildly confused, and I was mildly embarrassed on the air. Oh well.
@svyt
@svyt 2 жыл бұрын
Good example. "Left" and "West" can be virtually indistinguishable over a bandwidth-limited aviation radio channel. However, as has been pointed out elsewhere, the term "Bound", in normal english usage, is never used with "left" or "right", and in aviation, is only associated with the various compass directions. Perhaps to a completely fluent and sharp English speaker, that would have been a clue that ATC's direction was certainly NOT "Leftbound"; however with a little less linguistic sharpness on the part of the receiver, it seems it was interpreted as "Leftbound".
@RK-252
@RK-252 2 жыл бұрын
well... I'm sure the fall victim appreciated the tactical support. 🤣
@doug112244
@doug112244 Жыл бұрын
@@svyt listening to this student I think English wasn't his first language and likely had never encountered bound attached to a direction.
@jeshua04
@jeshua04 Жыл бұрын
I'm a current student pilot who just recently completed their first solo & solo xc flights and I actually did them both on this Cessna 172N N114FA. At this point in my training, I was very well-aware of the KMCO bravo shelf that is off to the south of the Executive airport KORL, which is the airport we train at. It is very alarming to me that this individual did not realize he was clearly turning directly into the restricted Class B airspace as it is very much talked about with your instructors many, many times. Situational awareness is very crucial in this environment.
@eskieman3948
@eskieman3948 4 ай бұрын
Excellent points!
@Mr172
@Mr172 2 жыл бұрын
I've been thanked by ATC for asking for clarification on an instruction far more than annoyance! BTW, it was super exciting to meet you in an airport as I was waiting for my commute home. Keep up the good work.
@suzannemullins1114
@suzannemullins1114 2 жыл бұрын
My husband was a 50-year VFR pilot before he died in 2015. I enjoy your videos as they bring back memories - he actually enjoyed living on the flight path to Ohio State University Don Scott field - he ALWAYS looked up when he heard a plane overhead. His most memorable landing, and one of the best he always said, was an off-field landing in Hays, KS. I wish there would have been a video, but I have photos of the newspaper article and of him standing next to the plane. I’ll send if you like. Keep the blue side up!
@svyt
@svyt 2 жыл бұрын
Sweet memories, Suzanne. Among my aviation friends out at our small airfield, a conversation will stop - literally mid-sentence - as we all pause to watch an aircraft scoot by on takeoff or landing, and then we pick right back up where we left off. Was the off-field due to an engine failure, I assume?
@cexir7759
@cexir7759 2 жыл бұрын
@@suzannemullins1114 that’s not 74 gear
@theyracemesohardchair
@theyracemesohardchair 2 жыл бұрын
lol he died 🤦‍♂️
@svyt
@svyt 2 жыл бұрын
@@theyracemesohardchair wtf, dude, please delete.
@theyracemesohardchair
@theyracemesohardchair 2 жыл бұрын
@@svyt how about no? Lol he died 🤦‍♂️🤣
@jamestoepfer7601
@jamestoepfer7601 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Kelsey, I really appreciate all your content. Please keep up the good work! A little fun fact about me: I'm currently a 40 year old student pilot working on my PPL, and my flight instructor is actually a 747 Captain and Check Airman for your airline and has flown with you before. His name is Chris G, and we fly out of KYNG. He showed me a selfie you guys took together, and I recognized you instantly. He speaks very highly of you as well, both as a professional pilot and a person. You should feel proud. Thanks again for all the content, and keep up the great work. Happy landings!
@thesparkypilot
@thesparkypilot 2 жыл бұрын
That is super cool!
@74gear
@74gear 2 жыл бұрын
wow thats great to have him as an instructor who has some real world flying experience. It is definitely a balance doing social media and work but I try to be just a normal crew member at work cause they are totally different "jobs" and I would be very annoyed if I was a crew member having to work extra cause some social media guy was busy taking selfies instead of doing his job haha
@B1g_Salad
@B1g_Salad 2 жыл бұрын
T&G? I did my ppl there a few years back. Enjoyed every minute of it!
@jamestoepfer7601
@jamestoepfer7601 2 жыл бұрын
@@B1g_Salad T&G isn't there anymore. To my knowledge, they're only at Burke Lakefront now. (KBKL.) I belong to a flying club called the Western Reserve Flight Center at YNG. It's a great place, I absolutely love the people there.
@jamestoepfer7601
@jamestoepfer7601 2 жыл бұрын
@@74gear He's an amazing instructor, and definitely is a wealth of knowledge. I told him I'm a huge fan of your channel, and he thought it was the coolest thing that he was able to fly with you. His daughter is also a pilot who recently passed her CPL checkride and is a huge fan of your channel. So you've got quite a following around KYNG!
@AK-rx6hv
@AK-rx6hv 10 ай бұрын
Technically the pilot didn't make a mistake... he read back "left bound" and the ATC didn't correct him. They both share responsibility
@pineappleginseng1557
@pineappleginseng1557 2 жыл бұрын
Kudos to the controller! Way to stay calm, and I'd wage you're probably the mentor type. I totally dig the good approach with the young pilot. Absolute lad and professional right there! To the young pilot, I hope you were able to brush off the rattling and learn from it. We live and we learn, and everyone's gotta start from somewhere, so I wish you the best of luck and best wishes on your future endeavors! You'll do great! Godspeed, boys!
@brianhill716
@brianhill716 2 жыл бұрын
When I get in an argument with my wife, I'm going to use that. "I'm sorry you're upset hunny, Frequency change approved" ;)
@esseaem1451
@esseaem1451 4 ай бұрын
Ha! My pilot says this to me.
@Kitt_the_Katt
@Kitt_the_Katt 4 ай бұрын
I'm almost certain that is not going to go the way you think. I'm pretty sure you're just joking though.
@bigmotter001
@bigmotter001 2 жыл бұрын
Kelsey, I am sure it was not the same controller but in 1974 I was a student pilot and was attempting a touch and go at Orlando International. I always used "student pilot" when talking to ATC. I accidently set up to land at McCoy Air Force base 10 miles south of Orlando airport. He called me back and ask a few questions on things I could see out the window and quickly vectored me out of that air space and into Orlando airport. He asked me to not call but come up and visit him in the tower. I did and he was very nice and gave me a quick tour of the facility. Never said anything about my mistake. I'm sure today you would not get that type of invite due to safety concerns. And finally he said to check out the jet I parked next to that the call sign was AP - 1 which stood for Arnold Palmer 1. All in all a great day for a student pilot and a good learning experience with ATC. Thanks for posting and take care!
@vbscript2
@vbscript2 2 жыл бұрын
Nice! Funny thing about that now, though, is that if you were trying to land at Orlando International and you lined up on McCoy, you'd be going to exactly the right place. :) What was the original Orlando commercial airport is now the Orlando Executive that this guy was flying out of and McCoy Air Force Base became the new Orlando International Airport (hence the location identifier still being MCO.) It was actually later that same year that you flew there that McCoy was turned over to the city of Orlando to transition from a joint civil-military airport to civilian only.
@xillerrodriguez
@xillerrodriguez 2 жыл бұрын
I think I flew that AP airplane last year. Fun model, old airplane
@GlennBrockett
@GlennBrockett 2 жыл бұрын
I work as a rail controller, this discussion helps me to remember how I need to work with my operators. It isn't quite as critical, as trains are more restricted in their movements, but the rules and philosophy are still there.
@suzannemullins1114
@suzannemullins1114 2 жыл бұрын
My father and grandfather were both locomotive engineers. I have some interesting momentos of their work - before rail controllers, the crew would know to, for instance, cut their speed when they passed a certain tree along the right of way. Engineers once carried the letters from the yard masters stating they had passed the exam allowing them entrance to the Chicago area. No electronic databases then.
@ChrisCooper312
@ChrisCooper312 2 жыл бұрын
The main one where railways are very strict is when it comes to movement authority. As with air traffic control this will involve clear standard phraseology and read backs. Trains are more restricted in their movement, but there are still plenty of cases where incorrect movements can cause conflicts, and trains running at anything like a high speed are effectively in instrument conditions (since there is no chance to react visually to a conflict).
@GlennBrockett
@GlennBrockett 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisCooper312 My system is lucky in that we have TWC indications for all the trains in our system We know when anything is shunting the track. All tracks are normally one directional (two track layout.) But you are absolutely correct in the exact phrasing and readbacks.
@keithbrunson7190
@keithbrunson7190 2 жыл бұрын
Kelsey, I don’t need an instructor anymore, but when I did, I would’ve loved to had this kind of explanation and this kind of information available to me when I was working on my private. You’re a great teacher man! Thank you.
@toddsmith8608
@toddsmith8608 2 жыл бұрын
If you're still flying then you need an instructor every two years!
@keithbrunson7190
@keithbrunson7190 2 жыл бұрын
@@toddsmith8608 but CFI’s like Kelsey are hard to come by. I understand everything he’s saying, but never have I seen it explained so well. ATP or no ATP, that guy can really teach.
@toddsmith8608
@toddsmith8608 2 жыл бұрын
@@keithbrunson7190 true statement.
@jjohnston94
@jjohnston94 2 жыл бұрын
I had a Class B bust myself. I took off from San Carlos, CA, which is under the San Francisco Class B. I had done my self-briefing which included "level off at [whatever altitude]". I wasn't paying attention, though, and the controller said "Cessna such-and-such, altitude indicates XXXX". I knew instantly what that meant. I chopped the throttle and pushed it over. Nothing more was said.
@douglasmagowan2709
@douglasmagowan2709 2 жыл бұрын
Below 1500 until you get to the sunken ship.
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 2 жыл бұрын
@@douglasmagowan2709 if you're flying past a sunken ship, your airplane might be a submarine.
@networkgod06
@networkgod06 2 жыл бұрын
"Cessna 4FA, sonar contact 8 miles west of SFO, descend and maintain two-zero fathoms."
@davidcole333
@davidcole333 2 жыл бұрын
I busted the OKC Class C on my PPL check ride and still passed. To this day I don't know why that wasn't an immediate failure.
@rockik7844
@rockik7844 2 жыл бұрын
Damn give me your examiner
@davebartosh5
@davebartosh5 2 жыл бұрын
I can totally understand. I got disoriented on my first checkride and flew over Teterboro. My instructor actually waited until I admitted I was lost. I was trying in vain to use VOR's to figure out where I was. Fortunately that wasn't BRAVO airspace though. And yeah, the key when you make a mistake is to say sorry...haha
@charlotteinnocent8752
@charlotteinnocent8752 2 жыл бұрын
You're right about clarifying. Nothing wrong with a simple "Say again!" :)
@josephphillips9243
@josephphillips9243 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kelsey, great run through. The way the traffic controller handled it is a great lesson for small through to large businesses. Don't get angry, talk it through and teach at the right time, then lastly ask and commit to what do we do to avoid this happening again.
@vandrickinman-benavente1975
@vandrickinman-benavente1975 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly can say that Kelsey saying “coming up” in his intros is one of the best things on youtube
@staceyrobles6526
@staceyrobles6526 2 жыл бұрын
2nd best ...Let Get into it. I smile every single time...Blush..lol
@74gear
@74gear 2 жыл бұрын
haha glad you enjoy it!!
@SlaveToMyStomach
@SlaveToMyStomach 2 жыл бұрын
A good example of "standard phraseology", another is "Let's get into it".
@kathleenmchugh4968
@kathleenmchugh4968 2 жыл бұрын
I like keep the blue side up
@DirtiestofDans
@DirtiestofDans 2 жыл бұрын
The most professional part of him speaking was “uhhhh” had me 💀
@pauljoseph8338
@pauljoseph8338 2 жыл бұрын
You’re a great teacher, Kelsey! I have no plans to ever fly, but I love your videos!
@spazzaero
@spazzaero 2 жыл бұрын
Kelsey, IRL controller here… you know a lot more about ATC than most pilots I’ve talked to. I’m always pleased to hear pilots when the my actually going on haha
@acefox1
@acefox1 2 жыл бұрын
Great job by the controller through the whole situation especially de-escalating the situation. I’ve heard a lot of these tapes where it goes the opposite way where one or both sides of the radio insist on turning the heat up even more.
@ilocke2007
@ilocke2007 2 жыл бұрын
There is a lot going on when you are learning to fly plus you might be nervous. Brief in detail, know your space, study the maps etc all apply. Assume nothing will go the way it usually does and pay attention. Kelsey gives loads of good advice IMHO. Asking for clarification is not a crime. Don’t compare your chapter 1 of flying with others who might be on chapter 20. It’s ok to be the new guy.
@shoop4040
@shoop4040 2 жыл бұрын
So as a little kid my very first flight was on a 747 and it became my favorite aircraft to this day- This morning I watched the documentary about the 747 and the struggles that Boeing had to deliver this marvelous marvel. it made me love it, even more, what a special, special aircraft you fly- As always great video, and continue to have the time of your life.
@jefflee1189
@jefflee1189 2 жыл бұрын
i was completely lost until the schematics were showed. that stuff gets complicated for non-pilots hahaha
@74gear
@74gear 2 жыл бұрын
ya thats why I try to put the pictures up to make it more clear, hopefully it cleared it up!
@arctain1
@arctain1 2 жыл бұрын
Heck - sometimes it gets complicated for pilots, too… take away the Flight management system, the progressive taxiing, the GPS arrivals, and have a pilot fly a DME arc with step downs on the approach (Martin State VOR RWY 15!) and even the best have to use a considerable amount of brainpower to remain ‘uncomplicated’ Nice job on the graphics!
@shipshrekt2156
@shipshrekt2156 2 жыл бұрын
@@74gear love your channel
@garyb8528
@garyb8528 2 жыл бұрын
Wish I had that ATC person when I got the #. I was early in my IFR training and was under the hood planning to do a missed approach approach at KGON in Connecticut. I flew the approach and went missed (I still wasn’t comfy under the hood). Tower gave me a turn I wasn’t expecting because it was contrary to the missed approach procedure so I started to follow the procedure and she gave me a small dressing down and had me change frequencies to NY ATC. Well, did I get a freakin earful. My god it was so egregious that my CFII (who was also confused with the original tower order) said he never heard such treatment on air. Controller said so you want to do holds? Then he had me go to the hold point and begin holding. I had not done a hold before and this would have been a lesson on entry and navigating the pattern. I did not have any fancy instruments to show me the pattern. I was completely frazzled by now and my instructor said to hang in. After 3 horrible circuits, the controller had me Chang altitude which, naturally, increased my workload. A few more circuits and he told me to descent. I was completely humiliated and I developed a bad headache. My instructor asked me what I wanted to do and I just cancelled my IFR clearance. That’s when I got the phone #. I was feeling like a failure and we copied and I flew VFR home to KHPN. My instructor said he had to call Ashe was responsible for me. My CFII asked them to pull the tapes because the controller was so nasty and unprofessional. Nothing became of it, but my confidence was shaken and I couldn’t go back to fly for two weeks or so until I came to my senses. I can see how students or low hour pilots might leave aviation. BTW, I let the controller know I was just learning the IFR and I had apologized, but he was just vindictive. Sorry for the long response but this happened to me in 2001 and it still is embedded in my brain. Thanks Kelsey for this video.
@grayrabbit2211
@grayrabbit2211 2 жыл бұрын
+1 for the controller for.keeping calm throughout this whole situation. I've heard so many controllers who wouldn't be anywhere near as accommodating.
@gcorriveau6864
@gcorriveau6864 4 ай бұрын
Clear communication is always a challenge. Thanks for posting.
@texknight67
@texknight67 2 жыл бұрын
I watch this channel because I have an extreme fear of flying. I actually learned to hid it pretty well when my company started flying me on weekends to so I could be in a certain place on Monday. I remember the first time I fell asleep on an airplane and that was a big deal to me. I got to were I could read a book instead of watch video's on my laptop. To say the least, this fear is very real to some people. I said all that to say. I think if I was on a plane and saw Kelsey board as part of the crew. I might actually be able exhale at some point during the flight.
@thesparkypilot
@thesparkypilot 2 жыл бұрын
I have been in your shoes and boy do I know exactly how that feels. I'm happy it's getting better for ya. Research helps so much - it helped me a lot. I used to be afraid to even research about aviation, haha. It is all about taking baby steps. You never know... someday you may have your pilot's license or something like that :)
@KrispyChanges
@KrispyChanges 2 жыл бұрын
So do I.
@samtilden4452
@samtilden4452 Жыл бұрын
My sister had the same fear, it’s so hard to ween of a fear of flying when it’s so easily avoidable, but a couple flights and now she can anticipate turbulence and at least brace haha
@cpy
@cpy Жыл бұрын
@@samtilden4452 You just have to change your frame of reference. You wouldn't go on a boat and thing "why is a wave making us bob?" Air is the same, it has all these baby pockets that you can surf over, and nothing bad will happen. Just like how a boat doesn't sink when it's choppy waves.
@oxymoira
@oxymoira 11 ай бұрын
I used to have fear of flying too .. major airlines offer very good courses to help with it .. i took the course with Swiss and it cured me and helped me understand how everything works, including the infamous turbulences.
@Rosiee0607
@Rosiee0607 2 жыл бұрын
And this is how my weekend instantly gets better. Love the videos!
@jillrsimmons
@jillrsimmons 6 ай бұрын
Thanks! You have provided me (and the rest of the 74 crew) some great entertainment and information. Love your channel.
@Francesc2000
@Francesc2000 2 жыл бұрын
This was a really interesting video and very well explained. I love how you explain things and how you always make it clear we're all human and can make mistakes, but owning to it and learning from it is what's important.
@chrispbacon550
@chrispbacon550 2 жыл бұрын
Trainied at Orlando Executive and those controllers are great! Tons of flight training going on in that area so there’s a lot things happening. That MCO Bravo is right there so one wrong turn and ooops. Another great video thank you!!
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 2 жыл бұрын
a tip for people having trouble hearing, speak slower when asking for clarification, and be specific about what is unclear. sometimes it will get the guy on the other end to speak more clearly and not rattle off a bunch of unnecessary chatter. (but not always) early in the week, it took me three tries to get somebody to give me an "affirmative" that I could hear when I asked to confirm we were standing down.
@DeweyCheatumNHoweLLC
@DeweyCheatumNHoweLLC 2 жыл бұрын
I usually say, speak slower I can't hear fast.
@gilbertfranklin1537
@gilbertfranklin1537 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, Ken - can you tell Kelsey to speak a little slower also? 😏
@DeweyCheatumNHoweLLC
@DeweyCheatumNHoweLLC 2 жыл бұрын
@@gilbertfranklin1537 😁
@HerbertTowers
@HerbertTowers 2 жыл бұрын
"Affirmative" would be very wrong - revise your ICAO RT rules/laws.. "AFFIRM" is correct - it doesn't sound like the word "negative".
@evelynpaterson2823
@evelynpaterson2823 Жыл бұрын
Good advice about asking to clarify, I retired from nursing after 47 years, followed that advice till retirement. Far better to be safe. Like you, huge respect for calm Controller with distracted pilot.
@Verb130
@Verb130 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Very entertaining. As far as heading to the lavatory on the plane while boarding, don't forget about us that are on a short layover that rush to the gate and don't have time to go to the restroom before getting on the plane.
@falxonPSN
@falxonPSN 2 жыл бұрын
"You'll never get violated for it." -Kelsey, 2022
@mcsnickerman7262
@mcsnickerman7262 2 жыл бұрын
Scrolled down to this comment just as he said it lolll
@vbscript2
@vbscript2 2 жыл бұрын
Funny as it sounds, that's actually common phraseology in aviation.
@mcsnickerman7262
@mcsnickerman7262 2 жыл бұрын
True lol
@falxonPSN
@falxonPSN 2 жыл бұрын
@@vbscript2 I believe it. As a non pilot though, it just made me giggle.
@pctatc66
@pctatc66 2 жыл бұрын
When I worked the tower at TEB, this kind of thing happened way more than anyone would have thought possible. Saw many a corporate jet bust the altitude on the Runway 19 Dalton departure and get too close for comfort with a EWR arrival!
@tomharper4632
@tomharper4632 2 жыл бұрын
I love your videos, Kelsey! They are always so informative and interesting. Thank you for what you do.
@Corpsegrinderr
@Corpsegrinderr 2 жыл бұрын
The way you say "What's up 74 crew! My name is Kelsey" is so happy and genuine, it makes me feel like a kindergartener and puts a big dumb smile on my face. You rock
@joshhansen9979
@joshhansen9979 2 жыл бұрын
Iam 8 hours into my private pilot license. Kelsey I just wanted to say thank you for all you cover on this channel. It's not only educational, funny, and well rounded but it also gives you a good look into the commercial aviation community.
@jeffcarruthers2605
@jeffcarruthers2605 2 жыл бұрын
I received my flight training at a small tower controlled airport west of Calgary. So I was pretty comfortable with the radio. My instructor took us Calgary International one day to show me what it was like. After listening to the approach frequency on the way in, I have to say my heart rate took a jump when calling them up. Good experience though. Also not used to the long and wide runway which completely messed up my landings. Thanks for the great content Kelsey.
@jordananstey1532
@jordananstey1532 2 жыл бұрын
shoutout Springbank
@OpenCarryUSMC
@OpenCarryUSMC 5 ай бұрын
I learned at a Class B (Andrews AFB) mixed in with F-8’s, F16’s, C141’s, the occasional C5, helicopters, the aero club, GulfStreams, Air Force One, and even the Blue Angels one day. As a low time pilot (90 hours) my first check ride at a small uncontrolled airport on the west coast after I left the military was interesting. The check pilot said “I usually take check rides over to the towered airport but I think we can skip that. What’s this entry about the Blue Angles?” His only concern was local pattern and wondering if I could actually land on a runway only 35’ wide since almost all my time was in a 200x8000 runway. LOL
@HappyQuailsLC
@HappyQuailsLC 2 жыл бұрын
That pilot's voice suddenly reminded me perfectly of the ramp worker who did the barrel roles in the "borrowed" plane.... it immediately hit me!
@gilesk
@gilesk 2 жыл бұрын
I have just started my PPL, watching these really helps, Thank you.
@TheTrashcantrash
@TheTrashcantrash 2 жыл бұрын
You are great! Loved when you said, communicate and "you'll never get violated." Keep up the good work and thanks for taking the time to make these videos.
@74gear
@74gear 2 жыл бұрын
glad you are finding them enjoyable Larry! thanks for watching.
@moonman239
@moonman239 Жыл бұрын
I have an idea: The controller should use both cardinal and compass directions. So instead of saying "turn westbound," the controller could say "turn westbound, heading two seven zero" then the pilot repeats "turning westbound, heading two seven zero" This also serves as a sort of correction code - if the pilot mishears one or the other, the controller can then clarify.
@ChopperChad
@ChopperChad 6 ай бұрын
No
@williamwallace9826
@williamwallace9826 6 ай бұрын
Better might have been "Fly runway heading." Short, clear, no room for misunderstanding.
@clownguise5022
@clownguise5022 2 жыл бұрын
Entertaining and educational video as always! I'm really into aviation now because of videos like these!
@username25o9
@username25o9 6 ай бұрын
I really liked hearing this interaction. The pilot you can tell is open and knows he is green, and the ATC calms him down tells him get there safe and give me a call.
@zeymon1292
@zeymon1292 2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the classic west-left confusion. Happened to me once, taking off to the north, got clearance for a west-turn ("After takeoff turn west, climb xxx ft", which is uncommon, since they normally tell you to go left or right depending on inbound traffic and glider activity). I understood and read back turn left, never got corrected. Luckily left and west is the same in this scenario. Only found out after listening to the recording. Called the tower, turns out they were not aware that I read back left and assumed I said west.
@darkangeldafu
@darkangeldafu 2 жыл бұрын
Oh dude. I love the last transmission. Made me almost spit out my drink. Poor dude that made the plane aboard take off. Must have really needed to go to the restroom.
@bearshrimp
@bearshrimp Жыл бұрын
I remember being a new pilot flying with my dad in the 80's and being terrified of flying into KMIA airspace. Listening to this was just awesome. That ATC was just awesome to the guy.
@akpokemon
@akpokemon Жыл бұрын
I am so jealous of your eyelids. No discoloration or wrinkles. Perfectlly smooth
@gandalf87264
@gandalf87264 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, radios can be difficult some times. Somebody says one thing and you hear something else. I remember a few years ago, a colleague of mine had to go to the toilet. No sooner was he in there when they announced boarding. We waited and waited for him until there was just about nobody left to board. I told my other colleague to go to the gate and explain to them that we were all there and persuade them to keep the gate open until he was finished. In the meanwhile, I went into the rest room and told him to get the F*** out of that toilet NOW unless he wanted to spend the night in there. Fortunately my other colleague was very persuasive and all of us made our flight. We were the last ones board by far.
@SWC44
@SWC44 2 жыл бұрын
BAD TIME FOR THE HERSHY SQUIRTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311
@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311 2 жыл бұрын
Kelsey always the man for this stuff. Super professional - but very humble, always acknowledging his own early, falterling years. The only observation I might make about the (obviously terrified!) fella at Orlando is this: yes, it certainly seems dubious that there had been an issue with his radio which it's likely, even during the subsequent phone call the controller would have more-or-less overlooked over and above the already wide latitude he was giving to keep the guy calm until he landed I think at Brookville. All of K's assessments to that point I feel are entirely uncontroversial - as, furthermore, is the general advice, as exemplified by the incident with the French controller, that clarification should always be sought if there is the slightest doubt (that you've misheard something). However what I don't recall being considered in the analysis, was the possibility the pilot had, at least in his own mind, unquestionably and unquestioningly heard "leftbound" from the controller. Whether or not that's a thing (which K sagely, a minute or two later, explains is not!), is to all intents irrelevant because at that (extremely novice) point in the pilot's career, even if he's only ever heard "westbound" previously - and never "leftbound" - with the level of semi distractedness he was evidently feeling just getting the damned plane off the ground, while using the radio, while worrying about his instruments, rudder, altitude, engine settings, altitude etc etc etc, while having instructions fired at him by controller (however understanding and reassuring) - he's not for a second going to question "leftbound" if that's what he heard: he's just going to assume that because he's so new - and the controller so expert - that "leftbound" is what he was told. Simply not being able to make out the numbers being radioed to you by a thickly accented Frenchman is one thing - being given an unfamiliar instruction is another. Even if it could still be insisted that the unfamiliarity itself should have triggered a clarification, yes I guess, but that's in an absolutely perfectly ideal world and I'd simply refer back to the rising panic and mounting numbers of unfamiliar and self conscious operations with which he was contending as listed above, merely in the act of staying air borne!!
@nakfan
@nakfan 2 жыл бұрын
What a great video👍Thanks a lot for making those. Am not a pilot but I learn something every single time you upload a video...! You rule✌️
@LakshmikanthKishorRabi
@LakshmikanthKishorRabi Жыл бұрын
Super important lesson. Thanks for making this clip, Capt. Kelsey.
@jahbern
@jahbern 2 жыл бұрын
How funny to see Orlando Executive. I’ve actually flown left hand traffic patterns at that airport. Well, my daughter was flying the patterns 😂 She trained in a very quiet airport, so when she took off and made her first left hand turn, she was face to face with the traffic for MCO. Obviously they were no factor, but she had never seen landing lights of passenger jets coming at her before. Fwiw, the ATC was great with my newly minted pilot daughter. Very patient and clear. She had no problems and did 5 touch and gos - she even got some night landings in (thus the shocking lights coming at her in the sky).
@chrisgast
@chrisgast 2 жыл бұрын
I feel this reclarification is also what people with hearing loss deal with on a daily basis.
@thedevilofmetal5335
@thedevilofmetal5335 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve learned a lot from this channel. You do a great job and are an excellent teacher
@danward48
@danward48 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video with clear explanations for non-flyers like me. This is the type of video that keeps me subscribed to your channel.
@bigkountry7138
@bigkountry7138 Жыл бұрын
Im not sure if anyone has ever said it but thank you for your videos. As someone who has never flown a plane in my life but absolutely love flying in flight sims, i have actually learned a lot about aviation just by watching your videos. So thank you for making my flight sim and Virtual Airline experience so much more enjoyable.
@brax2364
@brax2364 2 жыл бұрын
Got my private at ORL when it was called Herndon and Class B at MCO did not exist. That was also back when pretty much every airport that had a tower also had a FSS on the field with live humans you could talk to. I wonder how many people know that Orlando International designation is KMCO because once upon a time it was McCoy AFB. I was there when the B52 crashed shortly after takeoff and just missed my house.
@kadenwegner2691
@kadenwegner2691 2 жыл бұрын
I had a similar experience yesterday when I did my first solo to another airport. I got in contact with ATC and was actually having volume issues. I essentially was under-trained on the radio frequencies and the GPS system. I called back what I could hear, and followed instructions to be vectored and look for traffic. It took me a little bit get get my volume working, and get on track and I heard my tail number, and didn't understand his call. I asked him to repeat and he said, "(my tail #) this is the third time now, sqwak VFR Frequency change approved." Spooked me a bit and I went to the other airport. For both airports I didn't have the right frequencies in, the only one I had right was ATC but it's actually ok because that's the only one I legally needed. I misunderstood ATC coming back and corrected it, but I could tell they were not having it. It really did stress me out and I wish he was as polite and mindful as the guy in this video. I wasn't given the number, but it was definitely a rough day.
@brandonbrand2338
@brandonbrand2338 2 жыл бұрын
Yet another awesome informative video there Kelsey, thanks man! :)
@matthewb3113
@matthewb3113 2 жыл бұрын
Your lesson about clarification applies not just in aviation, but in all matters. I just made the mistake of buying the wrong piece of furniture, with the assistance of an IKEA assistant because I did not clarify.
@asdf072xxp
@asdf072xxp 2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention, Orlando Exec has a right-hand pattern due to MCO being right there. I took a discovery flight there.
@demonman1234
@demonman1234 2 жыл бұрын
So, I learn a lot from this channel.. about atc and airspace. I know about aircraft and everything (not a pilot, just interested in Aviation and want to eventually become a pilot), but I don't really know much about ATC, airspace, and just radio comms in general, not afraid to admit that. It's the one weak point I want to slowly work on understanding a little bit before I ever do take classes to get my Private Pilots License. Thanks for the info you provide on this channel though! (also, if anyone else has any good resources to learn more about ATC communication, terms, etc, I'll be happy to look at some)
@Luthienne
@Luthienne Жыл бұрын
Watching this as it ticked over to 1M subs. Congratulations, Kelsey! 😀
@gettyz
@gettyz 2 жыл бұрын
This happened on one of the Apollo missions; "This is Houston; YOU have a problem."
@fixento
@fixento 2 жыл бұрын
The controller failed to pick up the pilot's incorrect read back of left not west. Had the controller listened and corrected the pilot this could have been avoided. Both the newbie pilot and a busy controller learned a lesson that day.
@sweetporcupine56
@sweetporcupine56 2 жыл бұрын
To me it sounded like the pilot said west. Only from dissecting what happened afterward could I see that he did probably say left. Also, the ATC was expecting to hear “west” which can mess with what you actually here, like the whole Yanny/Laurel thing.
@susieq8684
@susieq8684 2 жыл бұрын
When you got tons of things to think, a pretty loud engine, and some stress, it makes it pretty hard. I’m sure that controller never heard such thing as leftbound before. It all sounds pretty similar. Main reason for the phonetic alphabet and mentioning the number 9 as niner. If the student had enough training and payed attention he’d know that leftbound isn’t a thing.
@flapppytappybird7923
@flapppytappybird7923 2 жыл бұрын
And it’s an Asian pilot…have yet to hear one that can actually not mess up radio comms
@susieq8684
@susieq8684 2 жыл бұрын
@@flapppytappybird7923 lmao, you saw that solo Asian dude that literally landed off the runway using the yoke as the rudder?
@SlaveToMyStomach
@SlaveToMyStomach 2 жыл бұрын
@@sweetporcupine56 Yep, I think that's been explained in other videos, "expectation bias". Very hard to overcome.
@tgordon4881
@tgordon4881 2 жыл бұрын
Love Kelsy's teaching style. MCO can get a tad crazy from time to time. Did my solo at Orlando Exec way long ago!
@F1fan007
@F1fan007 Жыл бұрын
That was an excellent video!! We always look forward to your videos on Sunday night
@kirshens
@kirshens 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation of what the pilot heard and what he was supposed to do. Helps me to listen and understand. How much time dies it take to prep to do these vlogs? Thanks.
@enthusiastic16
@enthusiastic16 2 жыл бұрын
Violations happen all the time. That was a good controller to just put him at ease and let him know they needed to talk. Sometimes the call isn't to blame pilots it's to clarify something we might be saying that is easily confused.
@chrismcdonnell1695
@chrismcdonnell1695 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining everything so well Kelsey. I’ve also been asked to “ring the tower”. I know it’s a learning thing, but it’s still a dreadful feeling. LOL. History now.
@truthteller1246
@truthteller1246 2 жыл бұрын
74 gear is undoubtedly the #1 aviation channel on KZfaq
@michaelhoffmann2891
@michaelhoffmann2891 2 жыл бұрын
Consider myself really lucky to have learned inside class D that was right underneath class B and abutting class C. It was a steeper learning curve and yes, took more hours, but I had radio comms down pat - and it actually helped during IFR training to be comfortable. Clearances given at gigabit speeds weren't a problem. Also, if the pilot wasn't aware of the Bravo to his south, so close to his own airport and that he needed specific clearance (given as "cleared into the Bravo airspace"), then his CFI failed, sad to say.
@thesparkypilot
@thesparkypilot 2 жыл бұрын
Almost the same at my home airport. It’s class D, with B all above. I don’t think we have class C though. I am really thankful for all the radio practice. You’re right, it feels like a steep learning curve now ( I’m a pre-solo student 🤣) but I know it will pay off. Dudes in the tower are pretty patient too 🤣🤣🤣
@ballaservices9275
@ballaservices9275 Ай бұрын
Really enjoy your shows Kelsey - you are a natural communicator and KZfaqr!
@tristanmack5779
@tristanmack5779 2 жыл бұрын
Just came across your channel and absolutely love it! I'm hooked now. Also, I'm not even a pilot and it annoys me when people do things like that 🤣 yes we all gotta do what we gotta do, but there's a lot of things I've seen people do that they could've done much much sooner before the boarding process begins lol
@s-t-f
@s-t-f 2 жыл бұрын
I want to hear more about boarding methods from you. C G Grey did a great video on that. Is there any way you can try that out and share some things about the practical side? Especially, I am interested, if you could regulate deboarding - because it is painfully slow what people do automatically there. (see the video)
@joannastryjczyk8161
@joannastryjczyk8161 2 жыл бұрын
I have nothing to do with aviation and I started watching this channel because I love to fly as a passenger. I love this content because, as a psychotherapist, I absolutely appreciate the attitude of cooperation, transparent communication and taking care of each other, all with a sense of humor that soothes moments of tension. I wish I was a "technical" person because I can see that our humanity comes out in solving such kind of problems :)
@2Timothy42
@2Timothy42 2 жыл бұрын
The replay feature on the Garmin Perspective for the Cirrus is really nice. You hit one button and it plays back the last transmission. If you need to hear 2 transmissions back you hit it twice and so on. I use it very rarely, but it’s nice when I need it.
@sachadee.6104
@sachadee.6104 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for that restroom-before-boarding "instruction". I will show it to my husband next time he's gonna be grumpy because I go to the restroom the minute the boarding starts (because I know the boarding will take more time than I need; to go quickly right there in the airport).
@toxictrumptube7763
@toxictrumptube7763 2 жыл бұрын
I just love your passion for your job. Flying obviously is in your DNA...👌🏾
@kenm3855
@kenm3855 2 жыл бұрын
Slurp
@jancovanderwesthuizen8070
@jancovanderwesthuizen8070 6 ай бұрын
This is like my worst fear 😅 or one of them at least. But what an absolute pro that controller was
@3sc253
@3sc253 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Kelsey 👍🏼 I'm watching your videos since 2 days straight 😂 love your explanations and the opinion from a professional. Keep up with Ur stuff I think Ur doing superb U make me wanna be a Pilot as well wish that would be possible haha Thanks for Ur time man 👍🏼
@susansmith8602
@susansmith8602 2 жыл бұрын
I know very little about aviation, but you are so pleasant and entertaining that I subscribed and will continue watching your videos!
@linuspoindexter106
@linuspoindexter106 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair, the pilot read back his clearance incorrectly but ATC didn't correct him, at least that I heard.
@nihlify
@nihlify 2 жыл бұрын
The atc isn't the one flying...
@michaelhoffmann2891
@michaelhoffmann2891 2 жыл бұрын
Kennedy Steve needs to fill his retirement with teaching pilots how to talk fast. So fast that ATC comes back with "uh, say again?" Speaking at 60 gusting to 90 as Rod Machado says. Though I expect KS is already busy giving Delta Tug tips. 😁
@josephwood4160
@josephwood4160 2 жыл бұрын
Oh I love this channel. Great work, as always 👍
@1911darkstar
@1911darkstar 2 жыл бұрын
Dig the channel! Appreciate the time you spend editing/posting the content. Fascinating stuff. Understand the regs not allowing unapproved E devices on revenue flights, but would love some 747 vids. Good stuff!
@gordonkachuk5457
@gordonkachuk5457 2 жыл бұрын
Something missed here: after pilot read back "left bound" the controller should have caught this and corrected by repeating "negative, continue west bound". I didn't hear this. Had the controller done this the incident would have been avoided.
@lordshu6352
@lordshu6352 2 жыл бұрын
@Gordon Kachuk I agree with you, the ATC has a partial guilt on this, the reason that messages need to be "read back" is to prevent this kind of issue.
@og_allex136
@og_allex136 2 жыл бұрын
In the tower there is multiple things happening being able to distinguish between left and west is something that is easy to mistake yes the controller should be paying more attention to his instructions but the pilot isn’t completely out of it you’re flying your air craft to a pre designated spot any abnormalities to the flight plan should bring up a red flag and in that instance ask for clarification
@TheEric1203
@TheEric1203 2 жыл бұрын
It probably would have been better for the controller to just say "fly runway heading" to avoid confusion, since the pilot was already taking off to the west
@davidjamesDj1214
@davidjamesDj1214 2 жыл бұрын
One of the reasons why I stopped taking private pilot lessons. Plus, I wasn't very good at it either!
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