Hi Kelsey. I wish I'd known about his fuel leak. With the price of fuel in the UK at the moment, I could have run behind him with a bucket! 😂

Kelsey, I'm a controller and I LOVE the idea of controllers sitting in on a simulator during an emergency. It'd be great to get supervisors in there as well so they can stop telling us to ask stupid questions of the pilots when they're so busy.

"I didn't mess it up, you did" is a quick way a pilot can turn a something a controller may have let slide, into a "Possible pilot deviation, I've got a number for you to call..."

@10:40 As a pilot myself, one thing I always appreciated I had the opportunity to do was go into the tower and meet those guys. My commercial flight program required us to spend an hour at the tower. I made friends with controllers and would go quite often and sit in the TRACON and watch those guys work. After that, I always made sure every one of my students also went to our local tower and got time watching controllers work upstairs and in the TRACON. You make a great point that controllers should go sit in a sim and watch us work as it would give some valuable insight for them. Again, I would say it's just as important for us to do the same so that we both understand all the work going into both sides of moving Px and Cargo around the world.

The Gimli Glider. A 767 ran out of gas at 35,000 feet over Canada due to an incorrect conversion from imperial to metric when fueling the aircraft. A true story and a great book.

Great one at the end lol. "I didnt mess it up." That pilot is not the type of guy who takes responsibility for anything even after admitting to ATC exactly how he messedup the last instruction (was told to JUST hold short of Q, he was NOT told "goto Q, then hold short of 25R" which is what the pilot did)

I work at my local airport for a fueling company. Was in a kitchen for most of my working life but going to the airport has been the best decision I've ever made. I love to fuel! And it's super awesome to learn about aviation in general. Really have grown to appreciate the engineering behind it all.

Great video, Kelsey. In the 1990s I was in the USAF flying the 135 out of Riyadh. Climbing the ladder to fly a mission, I saw a stream of 'water' about the diameter of my thumb pouring from the belly between the wings. The puddle was quickly growing. The ground crew was going about their normal business and the crew was climbing aboard. I walked to the edge of the puddle and put a finger in it and took a sniff. "FUEL LEAK! Everyone off the jet!" Luckily there was no fire. Turned out the transfer pump blew out a fitting. One of the maintenance guys told me the fuel in the belly was a foot deep. Yikes.

Regarding your idea of ATC doing simulator "ride a longs" - that is excellent. Many industries could use that kind of cross-exposure. It helps all people understand how to do their own job better as part of a system of people, as well as be more compassionate to those who are maybe seem as challenges in their day-to-day responsibilities. There are often just factors at play that people don't know about their adjacent teams, companies, and industries

That last pilot held really short of "write this number down and call". Great video, Kelsey.

As a controller, I feel that watching your videos gives me a better understanding about what you do, what to expect, and do my job better (kinda like that training in the simulator you wish we could see). So.. great JOB on the channel, I love your content! I enjoy the last one.. sounds like yeah, the pilot screwed up. And I like how the controller saved his attitude because he wasn't sure at first if he screwed up! LOL..

I am one of your nervous flier viewers, but no more. You've demystified this enough that my last set of flights to the U.S. were no more worrisome than taking the Chicken bus through Nicaragua. You're providing service to all nervous fliers.

I’ve been flying single 1965 and I have to say I have never heard or seen better advice and knowledge in flying. And I’m 83 years old. Bless you.

When I was a fueler, part of my routine when walking up to a plane was to do a quick check for wet spots on the ground under the wings. If I found a wet spot, I'd do a quick check to see if it was fuel or water. If fuel. I'd take a minute to see if it was a leak. I caught a 737 with a leak in the pylon that was dripping directly behind the engine that way.. This was befire I'd put 10.000 lbs of fuel into the wings and with all the pumps turned off.

That away to make friends AA. Hey Kelsey, your simulator story reminded me of a simulator where I had the FAA observing. The crew was doing a great job. They had a cargo fire, divert, weather issues…. You know how we write LOE’s. As we went through 10,000 at 310 knts. the fed leaned over to me and said “that’s a violation! That’s a down!” I calmly leaned back towards him and said “Bill, their on fire!” He said “oh that’s right!” They had been doing such a great job. Making it look so normal, that he had forgotten the cargo fire. In the debrief he had nothing but praise for the crew! I passed my check also.

As a former highway maintenance worker I know how damaging fuel can be to asphalt. It's also very slippery. So minimizing the landing roll is preferred as it spreads less fuel on the runway thereby reducing the damage to the surface

The only thing about stopping as quickly as possible is the fact that you might wind up with hot brakes and/or blown tires, which can create a problem. Hot brakes plus fuel leak could make the situation a whole lot worse. Total judgement call, but I'd be inclined to stop more normally. Great video as always!

When I went through military ATC training, my base mostly had fighters. We were taught to never to talk to the aircraft during critical phases of flight such as takeoff roll or short final (unless it was an emergency).

We (try to) do something called “walk a mile in your shoes” at my job, having nurses of one department (the ER for example) shadow nurses in a different department (maybe the ICU) and it creates a mutual respect and better understanding of what each department does. There can be tension between departments because the work and skills themselves are quite different, but the overall goal is the same-safety and taking care of people. I love the idea of a simulated session with pilots and ATC! Cool to hear that the ILS and autopilot can be used in this way, to offload some of the work of the task-saturated crew. If the technology is there and it’s going to maximize safety, use it! Thanks for another great video!

I met that captain about a week after the incident. From what I recall, they did a fuel check at TOC and noticed that something was wrong then. I really appreciate your comment about stopping ASAP on the runway, I never thought of that either

I was on an MD-95 from Raleigh to Kansas City. Window seat just behind the wings and I saw that there was fuel leaking from a sump cover and streaming as mist off the back of the wing. I told a flight attendant about it, but the message was never relayed to the cockpit. When we landed at Kansas City I waited until everyone else was off the plane and approached the cockpit and informed the second officer who was staying at the door what I had seen. His reply? "I guess that explains why we used more fuel than normal this time." Oh, well. I was on the ground and we didn't blow up so I guess that was a good thing.

We were getting ready to launch a KC-135R, engines running and aircraft closed up, when a fuel leak started. It was pumping fuel at 80 psi out a four inch line. I immediately signaled the pilot to shut down and evacuate the aircraft. Once the engines were shutdown, the leak stopped, but there was already a large spill on the ground. Very exciting for a few minutes. Repairs were done and it departed the next day.

I just wanted to say, even though you might not see this, I love how you point out good and great thing pilot have done instead of just roasting people all of the time, it nice to see the guys who do right get some recognition for what they've done well. its a nice change of pace to the usual youtuber who thinks "if I point out their flaws I look better."

While this story is not about a fuel leak, it does illustrate how things pile up on a pilot with an emergency: I was commanding a B 707 on a series from Karachi--Muscat -Bahrein and back the same route. Muscat was renovating the airport and there was no aids (NDB ILS VOR) available so visual approaches without VASI had to be carried out. Only 7000 ft out of the usual 10,000ft Runway was usable. Night landings were forbidden but night take offs were allowed. On the return take off at night from Muscat, when passing 300agl there was a loud thump and the aircraft shook. I thought that we might have grazed an unlit crane but the British controller said: Pakistan aircraft, your Number Four engine is on fire! We had taken off with lots of fuel as we were tankering to Karachi---fuel was cheaper in Muscat so we were over max landing weight. I had a F/E on training with the instructor F/E. I had the gear up by now and had began accelerating into the black night, letting the 707 get to 3000ft before taking action. Ther had been no fire warning light or bell.I sent the spare F/E back to look out at the number four engine. He returned shortly saying that the number four was NOT on fire. "Thanks goodness for that,"I told him. But he had just hesitated. "Four is not on fire--number THREE is--and the flames are going past the tail!" I asked for permission to circle over Muscat Bay while we sorted things out. We did the fire check list for 3 but there was still no fire warning. We fired the bottle anyway for 3. and circled like a comet over the Bay trailing fire. I could not dump fuel as that was not possible with an engine fire ( unlike a 747 ). so, in our circling we dropped the landing gear and partial flaps to burn up fuel faster. THEN the Number four engine failed. Now I had to get her down fast. The only aid that I had were the two strips of runway lights--not even threshold lighting. This was going to be an "eyeball Mark One " landing on a short runway, overweight and coming in fast because of two engines out on the right side. We made it---just! AND did not burst a tyre. It turned out that we had run into several hundred birds that set fire to the number three and severely damaged four. You must have flown a later model of the 747 than our -200s. Our auto brakes had three settings: Low, Medium, and Full. I usually landed without auto brakes and only used them on wet or slippery runways. This was a good presentation and it shows the general public how loaded pilots are in emergency situations--keep up the good work!

"what did I tell you?" "hold short of quebec" "why didn't you hold short of Quebec?" "we would have if you'd told us to" ummm.... someone seems to have some memory problems.

I thought of a "smart-ass" response to have given your flight simulator instructor when he asked why you selected 3 on the auto-brakes. "Well I selected 3 because I thought the fire truck would prefer to concentrate on the fuel leak rather than having to douse down my red hot wheels." I'd love to have seen his face! 😉

This is awesome! I fuel for United out of Denver and I always give extra 100-200 lbs of fuel in case of something like this, and I make sure when I walk away I look at the wings and make sure none is spilling out

As for the "County vehicles are requesting for more information" as a fireman, I can tell you the airport fire department has sent a request to their local municipality for a "mutual aid" response. That's getting outside resources or units to respond to the airport to back them up. I can say the outside departments don't have the ATC radios that airport fire have so they don't exactly know what's going on. That's likely why the county units were requesting for more information.

Thank you, look forward to your post every week especially when my plane is down. Been a 172 pilot flying over cornfields for 30 years. Recently endeavored to get IR. Been a ruff go so far, old guy, older plane, and a fear of screwing up is a real thing to tackle, you really help with that, especially when dealing with ATC.

Kelsey thank you for all of this information over the last year or so that I’ve been watching your channel you have definitely made a change in my life no more Valium before I have to get on an airplane🎉 I understand things so much better you’ve been an extremely great help to me thank you again. This clip was very interesting But I loved the last part of it oh my gosh that’s so funny😂

When I was a line guy at a major FBO chain, we had a tenant Falcon 500 that had a faulty single point fueling system and would, for whatever reason, only fuel the right side, center tank and trim tank from the single point and wouldn't do the left wing at all. So, we had to do the left side over the wing(which doesn't allow for a full tank). Anyway, the last time we did this, the fuel just starts gushing from the left wing like crazy just like in this video, and we tell the pilots over UNICOM that this is happening, they just ball out the throttles hold the left brake and whip that sucker around like we were trying to mug them, and headed out to the active. Meanwhile, the tower had heard us on UNICOM and was telling them to stop. Airport OPS comes over to our ramp asking us what is going, on just as the Falcon hits runway 24, requests permission to take off, gets it, and then blasts out of there like he was a Nicaraguan drug smuggler. To top it off, guess who the VIP was on this flight? None other than former President Bill Clinton. I don't know if they ever got it fixed though, as I quit that job a couple of months later.

Great information by a great teacher, and storyteller, as usual.

I like your idea about controllers sitting in on a simulator session. Ideally that would be part of their basic curriculum and also be done as needed as follow up training after an incident. The incident could be controller error, an equipment problem, or anything else where understanding the cockpit situation would have educational value.

My son trained at UND and I like that all the majors have to do some of all the other majors, so he had to do a semester of air traffic management (I.e being a controller) and all the air traffic management majors have to get their private pilot and as you note, then everyone has a sense of the other’s workload. Obviously flying an archer and a CRJ are going to be very different but handling an aircraft in busy airspace under stress is going to resonate. The reverse of a pilot understanding what the ATC guys are dealing with during an emergency (clearing the pattern, etc) is good for pilots to know as well so you can frame your emergency to get exactly what you need for help. I’d say the much more useful stat that the fire-rescue guys should have asked is, how much faster is the fuel flowing on the left tank which would approximate the leak rate (I.e. how big a puddle of jet-a is there going to be)

If the plane is already on fire, aggressive autobraking is great. For a fuel leak near the gear, getting the brakes that hot can ignite the fuel

Just put in my application for air traffic for this bid yesterday! Honestly watching your videos made me want to do it and got me looking into it. Thank you!

I’m a private pilot with instrument rating sign off (ready for check ride) love this channel !

I love when someone knows 100% they screwed up and instead of owning it and taking it as a learning experience they double down with the "NO YOU" argument

I have a flight on the 28th and i cant stop watching these.

I was a passenger on a KLM flight out of Schiphol on an Embraer and just after take off we noticed fuel venting out of both wings. It was pretty scary as we flew back to the airport as quickly as possible. I was old enough to remember the Concorde incident and had images of that happening.

I like how your eyes changed color as the video progressed.

That was classic. I've had very little interaction with ATC in my young life, the only instruction I remember clearly on final was to speed it up if possible. Hard to do in my little plane, and I was cleared on my downwind to enter final... but it worried me. And I was nineteen at the time I believe. I really appreciated the ATC guy in this one.

Wow, that last convo between ATC and 58 was hilarious. Even civilians understand what "hold short of" means, but the pilot insists the controller screwed up, he even reads back correctly the instructions with "hold short of Q"... while coasting on Q like a gangsta.

WELL,the last clip .That pilot wasnt given a # to call.That's a plus.

16:03 At the first backtalk, it was pretty clear the pilot messed up. Any professional pilot would focus on getting his plane to the gate first and leave complaints until after they are no longer operating the plane. If they argue there and then? Yeah, probably messed up.

Great controller. Understanding that pilots might be a bit busy with setting up for an unanticipated landing. Understanding the ANC sequence.

It wasn't me it was you.....LOL! Pilot sounded like Stuart from In Living Color.

Great video. These ATC vs Pilots take me back to my days as a controller. The reason that the fire trucks and county requested a stop on the runway is that it is much much easier for the trucks and other vehicles to get to all parts of the aircraft without driving in the grass on narrower taxiways. It is also much easier to deplane passengers and crew via the emergency exits on the wider runway if necessary. It obviously causes the closure of that runway until all is resolved but the possibility of a quicker rescue if necessary takes priority. Also, all surfaces have to be inspected after the plane lands for FOD and in this case fuel before opening the airport again which is much easier if the plane stays on the runway.

I love your attitude Kelsey. I'm a professional in the engineering world and I think all industries could learn a lot regarding giving feedback with a positive and supportive perspective.

74 gear.. Head and shoulders above the rest..hope ye good kelsey

Yup, I feel the pain of hitting an airport maybe once or twice in a year and ATC talks as if I’m a frequent flyer. Pen, paper, airport diagram and Safe Taxi all help 👍😎me. Super job explaining the emergency for those you have less exposure to this flying thing. 🙌

Looking forward to watch your video, as I do every Sunday. Thanks very much.

Good idea to let controllers sit in with a SIM session, but it would also be great if pilots would sit in a controller session 😉

Question about braking/max breaking in a fuel leak...While stopping and getting FD on scene quick is good, if there was no fire while flying would it not be better to NOT introduce heat from braking potentially causing a fire? IE, the entire runway is already yours, use what you need to stop, but nothing more. Maybe a change to FD response instead, like one follow vehicle and others along the way?

I lost it when the instructor said “so you just want the firetrucks to chase you a couple extra thousand feet down the runway” then “so you want them to put you out right away or wait a couple minutes”😂😂 Obviously it would be a serious issue in a real life scenario, but in this case I couldn’t help but find the humor in the passive aggressiveness

I wasn’t sure about 74 gear at first, now I absolutely love him, so dry and funny

Seems like hot brakes is the last thing you’d want to risk with a fuel leak.

Would be neat to get insights into the recent wrong airport landing for a Dream lifter. Enjoying your channel as always.

"I had a very similar sperience" I don't know why I found that so funny...

It would be awesome if you could find one of the Pilots from one of these videos and have them discuss what was going through their head while their situation was unfolding.

I've noticed that pilots seem really hesitant about officially declaring panpanpan or emergency. Even in fairly obvious emergency situations they never actually state, "I am declaring an emergency."

A year or so ago, a passenger in a United Airlines plane spotted a massive fuel leak when peering out the window. The plane was preparing to depart when the two passengers, a newly wed couple spotted fuel gushing out of the wing, and onto the tarmac. They notified the crew, and the plane returned to the terminal. The flight was cancelled, yet USL acted grateful for their actions. The other passengers were given free hotel vouchers for the night, but UAL abandoned the couple, gave them no voucher, and left them to stay in the terminal overnight.

a excellent video idea for the pilots vs atc series is interview a air traffic controller about what things that pilots do that annoys them and also talk about how air traffic controllers annoy you as a pilot without air traffic controllers you would not be able to land or go anywhere

Pilot: I didn't mess up, you did. ATC: find your pen and paper, I got a phone number for you to jot down... 🤭

Love how you explain things...and your humor is so refreshing. Thanks!

One of the most informative videos on this channel. Out of my (very limited) experience in aviation and air safety, I already knew most of the info that Kelsey reports here, but I think this is awesome for the general public, very clear and well-explained as usual. Safe flights

Kelsey, you took a boring situation and turned it into complete entertainment. Thanks.

I am an anxious person, I am pessimistic to a fault, this channel helps when it comes to having to fly.

I was on a turboprop going to Dayton OH (charter flight) and had the ice storm hit.... we did the goto another airport. The president of the company was upset for the lost time. The Sr. Vp of operations turned to the president and said "Let's just have the profeshinals call this one.". Appreciate your work.

You have a similar dynamic with Formula 1 drivers and their engineers. Drivers have a huge workload during a lap, they’re driving at speeds of up to 200 mph, they have to tweak a lot of engine and powertrain parameters (engine mappings, brake bias, managing the boost from the electric part of the hybrid engine), while trying to go around as quickly as possible and also managing tyre temperatures. At the same time they get a lot of info from their engineers. Lap times, deltas to their opponents, information about the sensor suite (tire temps, engine temps, brake temps etc.) This can seriously distract them from the actual task of driving the car as quickly as possible. Given that there’s no FAA which mandates codes of conduct and the stakes are much lower sometimes drivers get on the radio to tell their engineers to „shut up I’m driving“ to ease the work load

I love the videos you do of ATC vs pilots as I am currently going through the clearance process to become a controller. I am so excited to get this opportunity and never realized how much I enjoyed the vacation industry.

1982 an AV-8 Harrier Marine Corps Air Station Yuma AZ had a fuel transfer issue. I was a Crash Crew the fire rescue crew. As we were heading to the mid field via taxiway toward our designated station as it landed it summersaulted and was in a wall of fire what seemed 200' high and 1000 feet long. 41 years later I see it like it was yesterday He landed conventionally because the imbalance and on Harriers the have struts near the tips of wings and it caught the arresting cable like on an aircraft carrier. Seeing his horribly charred body was heart breaking. RIP 1st Lt Charles Simpson

Sometimes people know their jobs so well they forget it took a long time for them to get to where they are. They are the people who are difficult to collaborate with or to train under.

Great video! I don't understand why it is so hard for some of these pilots to own up to their mistakes when they make them. Granted, I am still a student pilot, but I would never imagine myself arguing with a controller. That is not an argument you are going to win.

Controllers "sitting in" while a pilot is in the simulator is a GENIUS idea. I hope it's implemented and I hope you are recognized for that suggestion. Keep up the great work, Kelsey. P.S. I hope the 'tug driver' in _your_ incident was recognized for taking the time to alert you of the "water" pouring out of your engine. Small effort with potentially big consequences.

Kelsey You made a great suggestion about getting ATC to watch pilots in a simulator during an emergency ( of course there did used to be an engineer a 3 rd person in cockpit until budgets took over. ) How about a camera in the cockpit that ATC could see during emergencies? Maybe over kill just a thought Best wishes always from Las Vegas Craig This video is 5 out of 5 stars ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Bravo 👏🏻

Yes, I've been on some RJ flights where the landing roll out was... "short". Been on a couple where the landing was so hard I could swear there must have been potholes in the runway.

8:15 This is quite accurate for me too. Not a pilot, but a truck driver. Some guys I meet say that they've been working for 10+ years and they're all the way from across the country. They run 2 or 3 hauls in a week, or so. I've been running regional deliveries with a truck and full, 13 meter long trailer with front pivot axles. I reverse into tight spots and some places where even my colleagues say that I shouldn't even go in with a trailer but pull over the pallets from the trailer to the truck before delivery. You can almost see what type of driver someone is by how they behave and how quickly they're able to work on a terminal. I can reverse 90° in between 2 trucks and still be centered between the lines and have the truck and the trailer straight when I'm finished. A driver who does longer hauls don't go in reverse as often as I do. Some of them are quite good but then you have those who you think are really good cuz they're driving really nice trucks. But in fact I almost get gray hair before they're done and they're not even straight in the gate.

17:50 OUCH!! Way to call out my home airport! LOL Granted, I grew up listening to it and I still get lost so I feel ya.

"Classic Pilots " that's too funny Kelsey! Too bad too many of us have lost the ability to laugh at ourselves. 😊

I was the 1,000 “ like” my life is complete. I want to thank the other 999 before me that made this moment possible. I’ve been striving for a decade now trying endlessly day and night for this very moment. Thank you to all my fans and I couldn’t have done this without you. Wooooooo

I just wanted to say thank you for keeping my day on the blue side 😂😂💙

Hi Kelsey. You're turning into a real celebrity pilot. It's always great to hear new stuff. Keep it comin'.

I actually found this funny and representative of human nature. Got top love the airport fire fighters and those vehicles reach speeds of up to 80 miles an hour, but with the amount of water they carry are prone to tipping and also hard to stop. Also if they decide to get going, very hard to see what is going on. Really great takes Kelsey. My favorite camping trips was PAX NAS, especially if we had a pilot as the liaison officer, because you not only got a great tour of the airport, you also got personal information and even training so you really developed a great picture of what aviation practices are occurring.

I'm glad for everybody in that airplane that I'm no ATC controller, I'd have directed that last American airplane around the most circuitous route over the airport after getting that response :P

He definitely told him to hold short of Q. The pilot repeated it. And then the pilot went past Q

My training as a fueler for the airline i work for "3rd party", The CRJ-700 and 900 have a maxium wing to wing imbalence of 700 lbs / 317 KGs. Any more than that, EICAS msgs appear in the cockpit. I fuel them all the time and the only time you deal with it is during overwing. Thats when the pressure refueling hookup is inop which is rare. Its funny to see the looks of passengers though seeing what overwing refueling is. All they see is a "hole" in the wing. The average arrival fuel is about double of what those pilots stated in my experience.

Next time I sit next to a nervous passenger, I'm going to show them this video

would totally love more reacts to atc/pilot conversations xD they're always fun to listen to but sometimes as a normal person, some stuff are missed and not understood xD

Kelsey, you left out that part with the controller telling the pilots: "Do you have a piece of paper handy? There's a phone number I need you to jot down..."

If we wouldn't have been laughing in the tower cab, I would have written that AA smart-ass for a taxiway incursion. 🤨🤣

Break wise, your answer should've been "I was concerned about autoignition from the brakes heating up" obviously from a fuel leak and not a fire, so this may have been their logic.

I love your content, I'm going to be taking my checkride soon and a lot of what you go over has helped me. Thanks for all the great breakdowns!

Other possibilities for why fire wanted them to stop on the runway was to inspect the leak away from the terminal.

Hey Kelsey. You appeared in Maximus Aviation channel the other day, well you photo did.

Kelsey, you're such a naturally nice guy. Some woman is/was/will be lucky to have you in her life.

Great video as always! Thanks, Kelsey! Have a great week everyone!

I'd love to be an airline pilot but I feel like having the controls of such massive aircraft would be terrifying

"I didn't mess it up, you did." OMG That fuel leak appeared to be huge - glad they made it.

These docco's get better over time. Great balance of facts and humor. 10/10 champ