#75 Parmigiani Fleurier: The Hidden High Horology

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7 жыл бұрын

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Parmigiani Fleurier is one of those watch brands that most have little or no idea about the watches they make. They make high horology watches with a vertically integrated process in conjunction with an envious manufacturing process and products that result in some of the best watches in the world. This is good news for collectors.

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@Soronant
@Soronant 6 жыл бұрын
I've learned more in a few videos on your channel about both watches but also the business of watches, than hundreds of videos on other channels. Also really appreciate that you never seem snobby about people with "low" brands like Seiko in their collections. I'll probably never own anything over 1000 dollars as a watch but that doesn't mean I'm not interested in the finer workings of the high end. Thanks for great content.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Hey One Xeno! Thanks man! I never thought I'd ever own a watch over a few hundred either....but...you never know. The focal interest is on quality, and you can find it all kinds of places...even those not popular or well known! Kindest regards, Bill
@h111551
@h111551 5 жыл бұрын
Dear Bill: This is a big thank you for your generosity in sharing what you have learned in your pursuit of horological gratification. I recently was in search of another watch to both round out my collection and fulfill what I perceived to be a gap in my collection. I identified two specific needs: (1) a form watch, preferably a tonneau shaped watch or at least one neither round nor perfectly rectangular; and (2) rose gold, a metal not yet represented in my collection and one I gravitated to because of its visual warmth. I was very impressed with the Parmigiani Kalpa and started scouring the internet. Like Ulysses, the sirens of other watches started calling to me and I began to be seduced. I received some advice from you in connection with an 18 it white gold Leroy Osmior which turned out to have a Vaucher movement. I also looked seriously at a Bovet Amadeo watch identical to yours. Ultimately, I realized that both the Leroy and the Bovet while exquisite were very dressy watches and did not fit into my overall lifestyle which is far from the vision of Pascal Raffy as to how a gentleman should live. I also looked at the more affordable H. Moser watches (with which I was very impressed but excluded because of an overall lack of visual oomph when on my wrist).I then veered to seriously consider interesting and well done horological novelties lacking at least one, if not both, of my original started requirements such as Thomas Ninchritz’s Vice Versa. Like a drug addict, I knew that I had finally hit bottom when I was seriously considering a heritage Christian Van Der Klaauw watch in rose gold with astronomical complications Without which my life would not be worth living.. I was now torn between at least four watches and my mind was racing. I began to curse the day that I decided to explore horology. My reentry into watch sanity came when I checked out the movement of the Klaauw watch. It was based on an ETA 2824-2 base caliber. I went on line to eBay and found that I could buy a brand new ETA 2824-2 for $124. Your guiding precept (which I paraphrase loosely) “(i)t’s the movement, stupid,” resonated for me and I was miraculously cured of all of my watch afflictions. I realized that just the blued screws in a Vaucher movement very likely cost well more than $124 (sharing a cocktail with a member of the Vaucher/Parmagiani cost accounting team would no doubt be illuminating). I immediately made a bid on a rose gold Parmagiani Kalpa XL that I had been eying for six weeks on line with a fantastic dial colorization and texturing as well as a wonderful balance in the gold hour markers and the one subdial and date window. I credit my full recovery to your excellent advice about movements. The Vaucher movement (which I think was updated in the Kalpa from the PF 110 to a PF 365 in the Kalpa line) when combined with the rest of the design elements and manufacturing execution makes this new acquisition a true horological value. I was in Old Town Prague the other day and the Rolex store was so crowded that visitors had to wait their turn for admission. If those poor bastards only knew about Vaucher and Parmagiani. Thanks again for being not only a great resource but an inspiration and a role model. Best regards, Howard
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 5 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on your new gold Kalpa XL ... you were successful in your bid, no? Anyway, the movements created by Vaucher have two flavors (at least). First, there are those designed by Michel Parmigiani (like the one in the Kalpa -PF331) and used exclusively in Parmigiani Fleurier watches. They are manufactured by Vaucher Manufacture Fleurier, but only for PF. Then, there are those "off-the-shelf" movements that can be purchased from VMF and used and/or modified by any watch company; most notably Hermés who purchased 25% of VMF from the Sandoz Family Foundation. (In turn the leather bands on PF watches are by Hermés) Beyond PF and Hermés, there's any other watch company plus VMF's 'Private Label' which are either (or both) movements and watches dolled up to reflect a company's branding-or an incredibly well-heeled party favor. Here's an excellent article on three watches that use off-the-shelf VMF movements but modify them to their own special flavor. www.hodinkee.com/articles/richard-mille-parmigiani-fleurier-and-hermes-three-takes-on-one-movement Cheers, Bill
@artl52
@artl52 6 жыл бұрын
Nicely done, Bill. I especially like the Hemispheres Retrograde in this years GPHG. And thanks for callout on the Jaeger Master Control. I'm just lovin' it.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Art, thanks for reminding me. I put it up on the High Horology Forum! Cheers, Bill
@fayssalk
@fayssalk 6 жыл бұрын
Another great video! One thing I'd like to watch is how you're started with watches and the key peices uv had and let go across the years. Cheers bill!
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Fayssal, thanks man! In some ways it started in 1983 with a Rado. It was a gold-plated titanium, which at the time I thought was an alloy of the two. (A gift). Even before that, when Bulova came out with their Actutron, I got one to keep time. About 20 years ago I bought a Raymond Weil with a rubber strap; swapped out the rubber for gator and wore it for years. After that I got a Patek Philippe Calatrava and began serious collection. That's about it. How about you. How did you start your collection? Kindest regards, Bill
@MrVooLe
@MrVooLe 6 жыл бұрын
Great video, great channel. I can't believe that you have this little subscribers, especially comparing to some other horology channels. Moreover, you really deal with horology and not with watch reviewing. It's a real pleasure watching your videos, as I learn a lot from each one.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Hey MrVooLe! Thanks man. We have a subscriber base of folks interested in high horology and since that interest is mutual, we can talk about all kinds of different issues on what some may consider a bit of a narrow plane. However, we've had slow and stead growth, and it lets me better communicate with everyone. We're over 1,000 now and seem to just keep on growing! Let me know if there's some topic you'd like me to cover. Kindest regards, Bill
@marshallpfoutz7756
@marshallpfoutz7756 4 жыл бұрын
Yes I agree
@loriemangasil8466
@loriemangasil8466 3 жыл бұрын
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@jaygohel1657
@jaygohel1657 6 жыл бұрын
As usual a first class video, full of information with excellent presentation... your background as an educator comes shining through. I agree PF time pieces are some of the finest and aesthetically beautiful, especially the Kalpa series. What are your thoughts between the manual PF 110 movement or the automatic PF 334 , aesthetics of the watches aside. Also more of an existential question... all things being equal (which they never are) what are your thoughts manual vs automatic movements, do you have a preference? Thanks Bill you are the man!!
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Jay Gohel Hey 👋 Jay! Thanks man! Overall I like manuals but I like the PF334 Kalpa for one of the best deals in high horology. What a watch! Cheers 🥂 Bill
@hanneshofer8788
@hanneshofer8788 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Bill for the excellent insight into one of the most underappreciated brands. The Toric is a beautiful watch.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Hannes, I was able to pick up 2 Parmigianis ... both for great deals; love 'em. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
@pedrocbdias1
@pedrocbdias1 6 жыл бұрын
Great video Bill. I love Parmigiani and the history of the brand/Michael. If I may suggest you, another similar brand that I think you will love to research is Laurent Ferrier. Cheers, keep up the great job you do here I sure appreciate and learn a lot from you.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Pedro, you are absolutely right! Laurent Ferrier seems to be elegant and beautiful without trying to be either! I've got to spend some time with LF watches...and that means trouble!! (For my bank account....) Kindest regards, Bill
@tonyp1089
@tonyp1089 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent content Bill! Keep up the great work 👍
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Tony P, thanks man! Let me know if there's a topic you'd like me to cover! Kindest regards, Bill
@tonyp1089
@tonyp1089 6 жыл бұрын
Will do! Thanks Bill
@johngentile6814
@johngentile6814 6 жыл бұрын
bill - stumbled onto your channel a couple of weeks ago and find it to be interesting and informative. I especially liked that you answered my comment I made about the pronunciation of Zenith and did not ignore me, as other channels would. Keep up the good work. There is always something to learnJohn G
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
John, with me, you have your work cut out for you! I have a life-long hearing loss, and so when someone corrects me, it's quite helpful. I hear words and sometimes I hear it differently. (I tell my wife I have 'creative hearing.') Thanks again for your patience, Bill
@j.r.regenold9094
@j.r.regenold9094 6 жыл бұрын
Saw one of the tonneau shaped Parmigiani watches in Singapore a few months back. The movement is more spectacular than photo depicts. I really like the Pershing Chrono though. Another good show, thanks.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Hey JR, as always, it's great to hear from you. Are the Parmigianis in Singapore a good buy? That Pershing is nice, but for something sporty, I like the Bugatti with the greenish dial. Here's how it's described: "..."Crème de Menthe" which is the Manufacture's trade secret. Of course they cost almost as much as the cars!, Cheers, Bill
@j.r.regenold9094
@j.r.regenold9094 6 жыл бұрын
Prices in KL seem to be better than Singapore. I didn't spend as much time shopping as I'd have liked. We met friends there that had no interest except going to the malls. I am wondering if the Pershing has a decorated movement? The movement in the tonneau-shaped Parmigiani I saw was pur artwork. The only watch that I've personally seen with as beautiful a movement was a Breguet.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Let's face it, most dive watches are not taken diving, and the Pershing is for those who like to be near the watch and not necessarily 30 meters down in it. The Pershing and the UN Marine Regatta are my choices for a "near water" watch. Cheers, Bill
@markusopel5773
@markusopel5773 Жыл бұрын
Hello Bill, thanks for this review, very helpful indeed. Just want to let you know that one of your favorites, the Parmigiani Ovale Pantographe, seems to be available at lower prices, and may be coming down more. I’ve seen them offered between 35 and 65K for some time, but recently there was one in red gold on European watch company for 26K, and now one in white gold at same price just listed on Chrono 24. Just thought I’d bring that up on your radar.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, Mark! Take care, Bill
@Kafue
@Kafue 4 жыл бұрын
Just discovered you & your channel. Thank You for doing such a great video! I have never seen a You Tube watch reviewer/information video, that goes into such clear & detailed background & technical know how! Just wonderful to sit back & take it all in. I just purchased my first Parmigiani after years of admiring their designs. I am adding to my collection as many special Tonneau's. The watch is the only Stainless Steel Parmigiani Fleurier Kalpa XL Hebdomadaire with the same face/dial as the White Gold & Pink Gold "Grill", that I have found. Have not recieved it yet, but will be happy to share the link on it's auction details with you.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 4 жыл бұрын
The Parmigiani Fleurier Hebdomadaire is one of my favorites-requiring only a weekly wind. After you have it for a while, I'd be interested in what you think of it. Take care, Bill 😷
@Kafue
@Kafue 4 жыл бұрын
@@watchartsci I'll let you know as soon as I have received it. Thanks for the response & stay safe in these crazy times.
@amintaslneto
@amintaslneto 6 жыл бұрын
Nice JLC Master control Arthur! Great insights about Parmigiani Bill. One thing I like on this brand is their attention to detail and authenticity of design. It might be controversial sometimes but they definitively don't follow market trends. Something that serious collectors appreciate. Last but not least, yes PFs are not the best choice from an "investment" perspective at this moment. However, there is definitively room for gains in long run given there are not many pieces around and they are of high quality regardless. You'd better just enjoy them for now.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Well put Amintas! You're right; they're not investment watches unless you buy pre-owned where the price has dropped; or made a very smart deal (like someone we know....) I've begun to look at watches in terms of how many cruises would it cost...here's a 3-cruise watch from PF that I really like!! www.chrono24.com/parmigianifleurier/bugatti-aerolithe-flyback-chronograph-43mm-pfc329-3405600-hc6032--id5386823.htm Even at a discount...I'll wait for pre-owned! Cheers, Bill
@artl52
@artl52 6 жыл бұрын
that 3-cruise watch is lovely.
@artl52
@artl52 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Amintas. I really hadn't plan to buy it (so soon) - just wanted to see it in person compared to the previous MC Date. But once I saw it, Bam!
@amintaslneto
@amintaslneto 6 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more Bill. Yeah the PF Bugatti is one of my favorite peaces together with the Ovale! Really tempting to trade a few cruises for them :) Best
@amintaslneto
@amintaslneto 6 жыл бұрын
You're welcome Arthur. It's definitely a lovely piece. Just can't blame you for falling in love with it at all ;)
@paulbrady8107
@paulbrady8107 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Bill sir it's like I said,with you I always learn something. I had no idea these watchmakers are so 21 century Parmigiani and FP Journe I took it for granted they lived over a hundred years ago. As I said I'm not much into vastly expensive watches,I don't want to lust after what's unobtainable for me but I do find them very interesting that's why it came as a shock to learn that .I do love the master control it's beautiful and like you I wouldn't buy a piece to sell anything I buy I truly want and keep no matter what. 👍 thank you sir.ill see you sunday.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, a lot of the younger high horology watchmakers are seeped in the history of the art and science of mechanical watches. With the new millennium they seemed to blossom. Bovet is another that was virtually dead (since around 1950) and didn't really stir again until Pascal Raffey took over and committed the company to its roots in 1822. Somewhat like Parmigiani Fleurier, Raffrey put together everything needed in the form of Dimier 1738. Bovet (via Dimier) even makes their own balance and hair springs! We are witnessing a renaissance with centers in FP Journe in Geneva and Bovet and Parmigiani in Fleurier. Cheers, Bill
@paulbrady8107
@paulbrady8107 6 жыл бұрын
WatchArtSci Bill sir I really don't get the flipping bug,but I think in 5 or 6 generations a great great grandson will be delighted to own a top horology piece passed down to him from me or you.i hope they would value them as much as we do ( for what they are not there cash value ).I have a penny from 1916 the war raging in Europe and the easter rising in Ireland, worthless but priceless to me.That is how I see my watches priceless and not for sale.👍I hope you had a great holiday sir.
@jabberjunkie7203
@jabberjunkie7203 6 жыл бұрын
These things are selling like crazy in Asia. Every time I am in Macau I see hoards of people going in and buying these watches. I am a Patek guy but I was inclined to see what the fuss was about. I walked in and found some of the most stunning watches coming from the display. Picked myself up one, here in Asia they love to ice them out completely. I know I know some people are purists but off market additions add something quite nice to the kulpa. Great video.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Hey TE! Thanks man! That is crazy good news to hear about Parmigiani Fleurier in Asia. They're wonderful watches, and I'm glad to hear they're doing so well there. My Kalpa has been flawless and a joy to own ... my only problem is that I want to wear it all the time ... and I have others that need some wrist-time! Kindest regards, Bill
@bobsaffron8284
@bobsaffron8284 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the instructive video. Does your Parmigiani have an AR coating? From the YT viewing I've done, the glass appears very shiny.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci Жыл бұрын
Bob, contact Parmigiani. I do not know. Take care, Bill
@dallaswoods8514
@dallaswoods8514 6 жыл бұрын
Its Thursday Bill, does that mean we get 3 this week? That Ovale is so cool! From a mechanical engineering position I can see in my head how it could be done. Great stuff. Regards.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Dallas, it means I screwed up. I was using this new software that automatically loads and publishes to KZfaq. Normally, I load a video on Thursday and publish it on Friday, but this one got published without my consent. Sort of like a delinquent video. Anyway, I hope you liked it. Kindest regards, Bill
@algorithm007ify
@algorithm007ify 6 жыл бұрын
Bill, did you know that Parmigiani use to use the Zenith El Primero movement in their very early chronographs? The movement had a nice gold rotor added.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Hi WA, I did not know that. It seems that everybody used it at one time or another! Thanks for that information. Do you know when and what model it was used in? Kindest regards, Bill (P.S. Getting your pictures ready for a review?)
@algorithm007ify
@algorithm007ify 6 жыл бұрын
Hello Bill, my pleasure. It was an earlier Toric model: www.luigirossogioielli.com/orologi/scheda/parmigiani-fleurier-toric-chronograph/a30704b960931e8ca980e656df5e4751/ I will get the pictures done this weekend, hopefully. :)
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, WA. One of the Tonda 1950s uses a Vaucher VMF 5401 movement shared with both a Hermès and Richard Mille. In fact, it's pretty much an off-the-shelf Vaucher; and all three have modified it, especially Mille. www.hodinkee.com/articles/richard-mille-parmigiani-fleurier-and-hermes-three-takes-on-one-movement It's the only Parmigiani that I know using a Vaucher that was not a Michel Parmigiani design. I wonder if there're others beside the EP and this Vaucher. Be fun to look into. Cheers, Bill
@algorithm007ify
@algorithm007ify 6 жыл бұрын
It's a beautiful beautiful movement. The Tonda 1950 (in white and yellow gold) version of the movement has a solid platinum micro rotor. The stainless steel Tonda 1950s uses Tungsten.
@michalpolaczyk3116
@michalpolaczyk3116 Жыл бұрын
I’m thinking about Parmigiani or H. Moser as my first high horology watch but I’m little concerned that these low volume boutique brands may be expensive to service. Is that true?
@watchartsci
@watchartsci Жыл бұрын
All good watches are expensive to service. My older PF Kalpa I bought for a great deal; spent the savings on service (about $1k) ... like new watch for a fraction of what the MSRP would have been, Michael. Take care, Bill
@artl52
@artl52 6 жыл бұрын
Love it, Bill - "Like Harry Winston - everything is outhouse". I know what you meant but that could be the catch phrase for this video. haha. As you know, some watches and Brands DO belong ion the outhouse but surely not HW.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
The term "vertical integration" is so...MBA-speak. "Out-building" would be a better term. Rather than sequential production where one part has to wait for the previous part to be finished, their production is much better integrated so that each specialist can work on their part without having to wait. Harry Winston is a bit different...but not much. They contract with the likes of Girard-Perregaux and Agenhor and a dial-maker to put together a wholly unique watch. PF and Sandoz own all the part-makers. HW doesn't. Now that HW is part of Swatch, they're getting fully integrated with Blancpain, who will be making their parts. However, HW still plans to have tier Opus series that began with FP Journe creations. Cheers, Bill
@artl52
@artl52 6 жыл бұрын
I don't see anything wrong with what I thought you meant "out-sourcing" and it doesn't necessarily detract from the quality of the in-house movement. Especially when the out-sourced bits are equal or better in quality.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Art, I didn't mean to imply anything was wrong, but PF and HW are similar in using multiple sources but different in ownership. BTW, the case company that HW used for my Premiere Biretrograde is the same one FP Journe uses and partially owns. Small watch world! Cheers, Bill
@ratnamaravind
@ratnamaravind 2 ай бұрын
Small nit- he goes by 'Michel Parmigiani' and not by 'Michael Pamigiami'.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci Ай бұрын
You're right Aravind...That video is a while back when I got the two confused. Take care, Bill
@grindinforgreatness2987
@grindinforgreatness2987 4 жыл бұрын
HI Bill, loved your piece on this great watchmaker. It looks like they are about to release a new watch in very small numbers(200 I think), of the Tongagraph GT for 19500( a collaboration with designer Dino Modolo). I love the look of it and was interested in speaking to an AD to see if I could get in line. You mentioned with this designer that they typically drop in value( I think you suggested not good for flipping). Would you see any reason why this would be different maybe due to the limited release of 200? Or maybe its all the same and buy it on a year or two for half the price. As always, thanks for your excellent Watch guidance :)
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 4 жыл бұрын
Hi GG! Boy, I'm probably the last person who anyone should ask as re-sale value. With the Parmigiani watches, I've bought two at very low prices (relative to the MSRP)-one new and one used. I don't plan on flipping either, but if I do, I wouldn't lose much because I found that when you buy low, you really don't sell much lower. Buying a new Tongagraph GT with a PF043 movement and limited to only 200 units... and a metal bracelet... I'd buy a watch like that as a keeper and not even thinking about selling it. My gold FP Journe Chronomètre à Résonance that I bought in the 20k range has shot to the moon with the platinum version from the same period going for over $1million. But I didn't get it as an investment but as a good and interesting watch. It could have just as easy dropped in price; but since I don't care, it doesn't affect me one way or the other. Be safe and take care, Bill😷
@grindinforgreatness2987
@grindinforgreatness2987 4 жыл бұрын
@@watchartsci Hey Bill, my apologies as i probably worded it wrong. I'm not interested in resale or flipping value. I just wanted to get your opinion on whether the price for this Parmigiani Tongagraph gt would drop below retail(like their other watches)and if it was smarter to wait for for a used one to buy. I like the watch and would prefer to buy low but was scared because of the low production(200)that I wouldn't get the chance. I love your stories about your F.P. Journes they are my grail watches. Thanks again for all your great advice. I learn so much from your videos :)
@leightodd7335
@leightodd7335 6 жыл бұрын
Just wondered what you thought of the Kalpa Tonda Hemispheres with the blue dial?
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Leigh, that's some watch is what I think. It's got all these functions: Hours, minutes, small second, DateDay/night, second time zone, second time zone day/night; a traveler's dream watch. It's a man's man watch who doesn't care that it's not some silly watch with lots of advertisement, but those who know watches will know. Cheers, Bill
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Is this the one you're talking about? www.chrono24.com/parmigianifleurier/kalpa-tonda-hemispheres-stainless-steel-mens-watch--id6323588.htm Offer $5,700 and negotiate like a monster. You can find the seller here: worldofluxuryus.com/pre-owned-watches/parmigiani-fleurier.html : deal directly; he'd like that better than going through Chrono24 and you may be able to be a better deal. This is his direct email: yuri@worldofluxuryus.com and his name is Sergey Lyubarsky . Cheers, Bill
@leightodd7335
@leightodd7335 6 жыл бұрын
That's the watch. Thanks for the help!
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
This seems to be Parmigiani Fleurier's year: they won two Grand Prix d’Horlogerie de Genève awards - Chronograph Watch Prize for Kalpa Hebdomadaire Anniversaire and the Travel Time Watch Prize for Toric Hemisphères Rétrograde. Cheers, Bill
@MarcusGLovesWatches
@MarcusGLovesWatches 4 жыл бұрын
Rewatched this two years after the fact - personally looking for the 1950 Tonda, my collection needs a micro rotar and I can’t afford a Laurent Ferrrier
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Marcus, good choice! I have a Vaucher movement on order that has a micro-rotor-trying to think what I want to create with it! Cheers, Bill
@bc8814
@bc8814 4 жыл бұрын
I just purchased a Tonda 1950 last week, excellent for owners that prefer a simple, minimalist dial
@MarcusGLovesWatches
@MarcusGLovesWatches 4 жыл бұрын
B C gratz - it’s a brilliant piece ! WG SS or Rg case?
@johngentile6814
@johngentile6814 6 жыл бұрын
sorry - but I think I detected a pronunciation differenceYou said "Tourneau" and I think you meant Tonneau.Tourneau is a company that sells watches. Tonneau is a shape of watchUnless I heard this wrong
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
John, don't give up on me!! You are correct, though! I pronounce both "TOR no" and one should be "TON no" -- correct? Kindest regards, bill
@mogenshyldgaard6067
@mogenshyldgaard6067 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Bill. I have seen a Parmigiani Tonda 1950 with box and papers pre owned - 2018 - on Chrono 24 - dealer is a business in Paris - 5800 euro (Street price) - msrp price is 10300 euro. The AD in Copenhagen has offered a price in my favour 8760 euro yours sinerely Mogens hyldgaard (DK)
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 3 жыл бұрын
Mogens, the Paris deal sounds very good. That would be my choice, and if it needs a service/overhaul, that's only going to be about €1,000 ... so instead of €8,760, you'll only pay €6,800. Take care and stay safe, Bill 😷
@mogenshyldgaard6067
@mogenshyldgaard6067 3 жыл бұрын
@@watchartsci Hi Bill - I gave the dealer i Paris an offer of 5.100 EURO. If he accepts - which I doubt - I am going to buy it. Best regards Mogens (DK). Stay safe.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 3 жыл бұрын
@@mogenshyldgaard6067 Good hunting! Let me know how it turns out!
@mogenshyldgaard6067
@mogenshyldgaard6067 3 жыл бұрын
@@watchartsci We are close to a deal. 5300 Euro for a Parmigiani Tonda 1950 - 2018. Ok with me. Best Regards Mogens
@mogenshyldgaard6067
@mogenshyldgaard6067 3 жыл бұрын
@@watchartsci Hi Bill. Deal done. 5300 Euro. I think it is a good bargain. My first high horology watch. Best Regards Mogens (DK)
@bibeauhalog
@bibeauhalog 6 жыл бұрын
Hello from Florida...
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Hello Richard! Welcome to Watch ArtSci. What kinds of watches do you like to collect? Kindest regards, Bill
@bibeauhalog
@bibeauhalog 6 жыл бұрын
HELLO SIR....I went the long/wrong way to get to where I am now..started with a Longines Conquest..then to an Omega Planet Ocean... then to a Breitling Superocean and now recently to a Rolex Ceramic Submariner..Who knows maybe my next watch will be an Apple series 3....haha...
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
richard bibeau Sounds like you did fine-Planet Ocean is one of my favorite sports watches. Subs are fine with me--ceramic or steel. Cheers Bill
@jaysikes4256
@jaysikes4256 6 жыл бұрын
The worst thing about Parmigiani is the name. Sounds too close to Parmigiano. Ultimately I think it hurts the brand, but that is a positive for collectors.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Jay, I hadn't thought of that, but we got used to Audermars Piguet, Jaeger-LeCoultre and my mispronouncing them all; so Parmigiani is possible too--and it's unique. To me, I kept ending up with Panerai which is at opposite poles with Parmigiani. However, your observation that it's good for collectors is spot on!! Kindest regards, Bill
@amintaslneto
@amintaslneto 6 жыл бұрын
Good point gents. Yes, the Parmigiani name is rather hard to speak and it doesn't sounds like a strong name from a linguistic perspective in my view. It's all about perception at the end of the day.. I agree with Bill that maybe it's just a matter of time for collectors to get used to it or what it might end up happening are collectors start calling it just PF the same way many do with Jaeger-LeCoultre when they say JLC Cheers
@sbsb4995
@sbsb4995 6 жыл бұрын
Parmigiani is hot. And you are awesome also. Great attire. That's the way. My pick would be the kalpa picola.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
The Picola watches are quartz ones for women. Interesting choice. Cheers, Bill
@tomkhong9828
@tomkhong9828 5 жыл бұрын
I’m rather bored by the usual round case, the kalpa is refreshing
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, Tom, I agree: All round is a cure for insomnia. I like a variety of case shapes and shaped movements. Cheers, Bill
@patcookbb1423
@patcookbb1423 6 жыл бұрын
Parmigiani Fleurier is a great brand , carrying so much pedigree and know how .A very unique look and so agreeable to wear .each watch is exceptional , so unique and a pleasure on each side.I can only advise you this remarkable video called "mesure et demesure"they have done 3 years ago ( unfortunately in french ) but you can feel the passion of these people : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hat_dqypq7-5g30.html
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Pat, thanks for the link. I love French and mispronounce it all too often--so I will indulge myself loving the sound as I watch the video!! Kindest regards,Bill
@patcookbb1423
@patcookbb1423 6 жыл бұрын
they have put the subtitles in this one Bill , enjoy it ...
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
I discovered the subtitles -- the best of both worlds: The sound of French with English translations!! Thanks again, Bill
@amintaslneto
@amintaslneto 6 жыл бұрын
A great documentary for any watch lover indeed. BTW, here is the link for a 720p version of it case you'd like to see in higher resolution vimeo.com/161161483
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that link Amintas! Cheers, Bill
@thewatchcat8178
@thewatchcat8178 6 жыл бұрын
Doesn't Prince Charles have one of their watches? A different one from any you featured though.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Time Talk, this is a good question, and I don't know the answer to that. The British Royals of late have been photographed wearing Vacheron Costantin, Patek Philippe and the Duchess of Cambridge, a Cartier Baloon Bleu, and Prince Harry a Bremont, but Prince Charles I cannot say. Time to do a little hunting. Cheers, Bill
@aminreviews2311
@aminreviews2311 4 жыл бұрын
Yes he does. www.hodinkee.com/articles/hrh-prince-charles-wearing-his-parmigiani-fleurier-toric-chronograph-at-the-royal-wedding
@fkurcik
@fkurcik 6 жыл бұрын
That's some expensive Parmesan cheese. Gotta love my plastic quartz diver watch.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Frantisek!! When I was on vacation I did some body surfing, and I would have taken your plastic quartz diver over any of those PFs! They are exquisite,and expensive, and not divers! What do you think of that crème de menthe Bugatti on the Parmigiani web site? Add to my grail list! Kindest regards, Bill
@fkurcik
@fkurcik 6 жыл бұрын
I think that one is the best looking from the collection.
@watchartsci
@watchartsci 6 жыл бұрын
I'm going to be stalking that crème de menthe Bugatti waiting for a price drop...it could take years, but so what? Off I go to stalk a watch! Cheers, Bill
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