My father swore by his 270.. He loved Jack O Conner... Also love his 7 mm 08. Browning .Micro Medallion. While hunting in Utah he dropped his Browning and then wasn't sure of zero... His buddy said shoot my 35 Whelan it's zeroed... One shot one kill Now he comes home and says, " Boy I really like that 35 Whelan , One shot and the Elk didn't even take a step " lol One thing he understood was that the MOST important thing was shot placement... Shoot what you shoot well

@@Timberdam I’m a huge 270 fan, especially using the 150 grain Partition or a 129 grain LRX. But on elk I prefer the 338 Win Mag, for a little extra insurance. Inside of 300 yards, the 35 Whelen and the 9.3x62 (its ballistic twin), are just as good. There’s also less recoil to deal with.

Same here! But 39 years for me. Right hand Ruger M77 270. Not long after I was looking through a hunting magazine and saw Ruger came out with the Mark II M77 and pictured was a left hand and right hand back to back. Called my local store and they just unboxed 2 in left hand chambered in 270. Took my right hand M77 down that I owned for a very short time, traded it in, gave them $20 difference and another $20 to remount my Nikon scope. Some years later first mod was a 3 pound trigger job and a KDF brake. Then around 2003 or 2004 I put a Hart barrel on it, copied the factory contour (a #1 contour) at 25.5 inches. Killed a pile of hogs, mule deer, a pronghorn, and too many to count whitetails. Just sold that rifle May last year. Also sold my full custom 270 last year. Now I own 6 Tikkas in 270 and one other I had built on a Rem 700 action. I'm planning on building a few 280AI with some of those 270s.

Question, why have so many chambered in the same calibre, thanks, cheers people ✌️🤙

@@rosalindstewart7013 If you are asking me it's for several reasons. 1. Rifle on sale, 2. I like to test them and keep those that excel in accuracy with multiple loads. If not, I put a better faster barrel on them and potentially change it to something I don't have or have limited experience, like convert to 280AI, 25-06, 6.5-06, 338-06, 6.5-284 Norma, etc. 3. I have a sick addiction to customizing rifles to varying degrees striving for that quarter minute rifle with lots of bullet choices. Those that make the grade I keep. Those that don't but are close I let people borrow if they need something when they hunt with me or sell them.

@@derekmcmurry fair enough mate and all very good points cheers Yogi ✌️🤙 I didn’t read your user name before I asked but now I have I wouldn’t have asked, love that 270PRC custom you put together mate, all the best bro

i'd say 10 out of 10

😂 I Agree! 👍

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I believe you develop a legit 140 and run it for everything. Or a copper 130 for the same and be done

For deer sized game... totally agree. A well tuned 140g is the sweet spot. In the west, for elk and longer shots, I see some real advantages to the 165/170 bullets at 2850 +/-.

@@CEdwards-yf3fpor Just don’t shoot at game at long range

@@user-eg8hb8xt3jsometimes those are the only opportunity’s.

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@@ReloadingWeatherby this was a very interesting comparison. I was surprised to see the .270 stack up so well against a magnum cartridge.

@@slaydeday5677it was hand picked data. None the less .270 winchester is a great classic Cartridge.

@@TheCodyOI’m glad someone said what I was thinking. Hand picked data. Slowed the 7PRC down, and picked the .270 WAY UP! Compare apples to apples, and it wouldn’t be close. He said this was with “real world velocities, and hand loads” yet 2875 is not hand load velocity with a 175 eldx.

@@matthewkramer6543he literally said it was hand load data

Thanks for sharing

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@@ReloadingWeatherby always bro I like watching your stuff for sure

A lot of the problem with the .270 win today is that it was standardized with slow twist rates and a looser chamber than modern cartridges. I doubt Winchester would ever support it enough today to take it back to SAAMI.

@@slaydeday5677I believe that a “looser chamber” only matters if you don’t handload - which is a legitimate concern for many people. If you do handload, .270 Winchester is a mighty fine cartridge to work with… especially with newer bullets being made in .277 caliber.

@@chipsterb4946 I have one and love it. And I’ve loaded a little for it on a friend’s equipment. But I’ve never been able to get the same accuracy out of it as more modern calibers.

Thanks for sharing

Man that gotta be some good grass you smoking lol barrel just as cooked 😂

🕵️‍♂️ Isn't It Funny How I Just Watch a Video of "El Chupagoats" Using a 180 Grain Hoeneday ELD-M Bullet (Target Bullet) Only Getting 2,756 ft/a With 66.2 grains of Retumbo (A Good Magnum Powder)? .🤭

🤔 Isn't It Also Interesting That Austin Just Did a Video Showing The 120 Year Old 30-06 Getting Well Over 2,800 ft/s With a 190 grain Nosler ABLR Bonded "Hunting Bullet"? 😯

🕵️‍♂️ And, Isn't it Also Interesting That The "Quick Loads" Program Shows The 100 Year Old 270 Winchester Shooting a 180 Grain Woodleigh Weldcore Bonded "Hunting Bullet" Can Get 2,820 ft/s, Also Using Far Less Powder and Having Far Less Recoill Than The 7mm prc? 😯

You are shooting 3 gr over max... that doesn't surprise me you're getting faster velocities.

😬 And This is The Real Problem - People Trying to "Bench Race", Just To Say They Can Achieve a Velocity 100 ft/as Faster Than The Guy With Factory Ammunition in a "Little Cartridge"! They Always Go Past the RECOMENDED SAFE Powder Charges and It Usually Doesn't Help Accuracy Any! 😱 Well, My 30 Caliber "Thor's Hammer" Can Push a 200 Grain "Hunting Bullet" (Not "Target Bullet", Like Those Heavier 7mm Bullets Only Have) to 3,700 ft/s (😱) - So, Sorry, Not Impressed! 🤭

😂 Why Are You 7mm prc Fans So Concerned About Getting Another 50 ft/s to 100 ft/s - Buy Pushing A "Little Cartridge" Like the 7mm prc - Over RECOMENDED BOOK POWDER CHARGES? 😱That is Hardly Something to Brag About! 🤭

😂 Speaking of "Not Comparing", You 7mm prc "Doesn't Compare" to Any of the 30 Caliber Magnums! 😳

What new data is out there? You have Hornady and Hodgdon and a page from Nosler. Am I missing any other? Why would I be using a 150 gr when I can shoot a 170 gr? I never said the 270 Winchester flat out beats the 7mm PRC. The 270 Win comes remarkably close. Let's just use the 195 gr EOL in 7mm PRC... 195 gr at 2800 FPS gives you 26 MOA at 1000 yards and 4.97 MOA in wind drift. 270 Winchester is still within 1 MOA in both wind and drop. 7mm PRC does have 280 more ft.lbs of energy. However at 1000 yards neither cartridge is going fast enough to expand.

150-200 rounds. Federal is using RL-26, which I did say will get you 3000 FPS. Let's just put in the calculations for 3000 FPS with the 175 ELD-X. At 1000 yards it has a 200 ft.lb advantage over the 270 Winchester and 3 MOA in drop. Wind drift has a .75 MOA advantage. Again.. 270 Winchester is holding it's own.

Keep your 270. Maybe try Superformance ammo for more punch or come up with a load your rifle shoots well.

If you have a good shooting 270 and are shooting under 500yrds, the 7 PRC isn't going to do much or you. Now you're just wanting something new, then for sure go for the 7 Prc.

I have looked at the 6.8 Western the 7PRC to see what it can really do over the .270 Win. Currently the Hornady Precision Hunter 145gr ELDX shoots the best out of my rifle. 1/2 -3/4 and that's factory ammo. With the numbers lately with Hornady, I can't get an accurate comparison. I understand it may have more energy but if it is going slower, the other numbers won't be the same. Then to me the .270 isn't that much different. Educate me... what am I not getting?

@@scottbeto2371 You need to watch where you're getting your information from about the Prc. Haters are all over this cartridge for some reason. Current Hornady ammo is crap but the Federal 175s are getting 3k if not pretty close to it. There's plenty of videos about it. If you reload, then getting the velocities is easy. Again, plenty of resources out there for that as well. Hell, Backfire sent a 175 down range at 3118 I think it was. It was way over pressure but still. The PRC is geared for sending the 175-190ish range of projectiles out 5-800yrds effectively. If this isn't what you're trying to do and already have a sub-moa 270.... It's probably not worth spending the money. Full disclosure here...my 7 PRC is supposed to be delivered tomorrow. I spent more money than I care to admit having LRI rebarrel a Howa 1500 to 7Prc. I am what some would call a fanboy.

If you already have a viable rifle why would it be worth spending another 1-3k grand

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Agreed - but the 6.5 PRC has less recoil and is very efficient.

@@chipsterb4946the 6.5PRC is basically another version of the 270.

@@texpatriot8462 to me the .270 is a great hunting cartridge. The PRCs were designed for 600+ yard target shooting. That’s a neat idea but irrelevant to me. 6.5 PRC goes in a short action … at least in theory while .270 needs a standard (or “long”) action. Looking at Hornady data the 6.5 PRC outperforms .270 with a 130 grain bullet in terms of velocity and the bullets have a higher BC. However, Barnes’ load data shows better velocities out of the .270 for 130 grain bullets. While I don’t have definitive data at my fingertips, I think the .270 has a bit more recoil. I do find it pretty funny that .270 Winchester outperforms 6.5 Creedmoor by virtually every measure except recoil.

@@chipsterb4946 I have a 270 Winchester and the recoil is not different vs 6.5PRC. I am selling the PRC and keeping the 270. With 270, ammo choices are fantastic and reloading components are plentiful. IMO - the only reason to get any PRC is long range target work.

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Yup same with my PRC... I even still have a few of the old boxes of factory Hornady that pushes past 3000 before their powder crunch. Seeing pressure issues at max recommended loads sounds like homie needs a better chamber/ barrel or need to check out his reloading .

You’re not wrong on what you’re saying, but it only works if you handload, which unfortunately most people do not :(

🤷‍♂️ And, Whose Fault (Or, Responsiblity) is That? You Reap What You Sow! 😯

@phild9813 actually the number I gave are from today's factory offerings. Hornady superformance. Many other manufacturers offer the same in the older cartridges. Winchester loads 190gr ablrs for 30-06 at 2800fps, Hornady loads 145gr eldx 270 at 2970fps. If you want the best performance out of any cartridge you have to handload for it regardless of how old or new it is.

🕵️‍♂️ No One Seems to Be Even Getting Close to The Published Data in ANY of Their Powders For Handloads or the Factory Ammunition Velocities Listed on the Box! I Have Probably Watched Every U-Tube Video on the 7mm prc and That is The Constant Findings! ☹

🙄 Horneday's "Excuse" Was Offered on Ron Spomers Channel - That They Can't Get Reloader 26! 🤥 So, What Happens When You Put Reloader 26 in Say a 7mm Weatherby Magnum (An 80 Year Old Cartridge)? You'll Get 100 ft/s Faster Than Horneday's Best Published Velocities for the 7mm prc! 😂

I think the 7mm PRC case just isn't that big.

@@ReloadingWeatherby Hmmm. I am going to have to break out my COTW and look at the specs.

🕵️‍♂️ Actually, He Isn't! Put a 24" Barrel or Even 26" Barrel on It (Like the 7mm Remington Magnum Typically Uses), Add in Some Reloader 26 Powder (Horneday's Excuse For Not Getting 3,000 ft/s) and Their is Your 3,000 ft/s - With the 270 Winchester and That Heavier Bullet, Using Alot Less Powder and Having Alot Less Recoil! 😱

Mate, hodgdons manual uses all 24" barrels.. u want to explain how less powder with more bore friction equals the same velocity lol All manuals show thr pc doing 3000fps with a 24" barrel and the 270w doing 2800fps with a 24" barrel. With pressure data. Powder manufactur hodgdon. Not hornady.

🕵️‍♂️ Are The Rifes Generating 65,000 psi of Chamber Pressure - Which is What Causes The Bullet To Reach It's Maxium "Safe" Velocity Potential? Apparently Not - With The "Recommended Powder Charges"! What That Means Is That They Won't Get The Advertised Velocities! Mabey I Can Give You A List of Some Reputable U-Tube Channels to Watch That Are Getting Well Below Advertised Velocities and You Can See For Yourself? 🧐

🕵️‍♂️ Let's Start With SOAonline! They Are a Ammunition Manfacturing Company! Horneday's Factory Ammunition Velocity Measured 2,867 ft/s! Their's Measured at 2,942 ft/s! See What They Say About the 7mm prc?😱

🕵️‍♂️ Next, Let's Go To "Apex, Living With Predators Website"! He Tested Multiple 7mm prc's! With 70 grains of Retumbo (Case Maximums) and Pressure Signs - He Was Getting 2,782 ft/s! How Is This an "Effecient Cartridge", When My 270 Winchester Can Exceed That Velocity With 15 Grains Less Powder and a Heavier 180 Grain Woodleigh Welcore Hunting Bullet or the 30-06 with a 190 grain Nosler ABLR and Get Over 2,800 ft/s (As Shown By Austin - Reloading Weatherby - Here)? 🤭 I Know What I Would Rather Hunt With and It Isn't the 7mm prc! 😜

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Thanks for watching

It's hard to come by

😃 Derek, Have You Considered Necking Up the 6.8 Western to 7mm? 🤪

@@ronlowney4700 No. I was thinking 50 cal

Thought you would enjoy it.

I agree... on bullet choice

😏 That's Interesting "Reloading Quest", Because The 270 Winchester Has Bonded Bullets (Woodleigh Weldcore) That Goes Up to 180 grains (And I Know of 1 Company That Factory Loads Them Too), But the 7mm Caliber Only Goes to 175 grains With Bonded Bullets! 😳 Problem Solved - Stick With the 270 Winchester! 😜

🕵️‍♂️ And, The Quick Loads Program Shows That You Can Push That 180 Grain Bullet to 2,820 ft/s Out of The 270 Winchester - Which is 120 ft/s Faster Than the Same Weight Bullet Comes Out of the 30-06 With Factory Loads and The 30-06 Has Lower B.C. Bullets (Typically) in That Same Bullet Weight! 😁 PROBLEM SOLVED! 👨‍⚖

@@ronlowney4700 Hahha oh you 270 guys. I will stick with a bigger bullet and you are comparing hand loads to factory? How’s that fair? The 190gt abl or s 180 sould copper out off a 06. And there are solid copper bullet you can push out the 7prc as well. Not only that, if you run a heavy bullet in a 270 you will need to fast twist the barrel and I know for sure they won’t stabilize where I live. But use what you like to use. And I will use that I want to use. Really I will talke a 280ai of the 270 and 7prc.

@@ronlowney4700 also I have shot a 185gr bullet over 2950 out of a 30-06 using n555 just so you know. Ones you put handloads into the picture everything changes

I think it's the most balanced cartridge

😁 Then Maybe You Need "More Balance" (i.e. a 280 AI) In Your Life? 😜

Possibly... but as I said I think you're only going to get 3000 FPS with a max load of RL-26 or... if you stand on it with other powders going over max. The 270 data I provided according to GRT is only at 64.5k psi and I was using a 22 inch barrel for those velocities. The 7mm PRC has a 24 inch barrel.

@@ReloadingWeatherby oh yeah I’ve pushed a 175 from a 22 inch PRC from my old man’s rifle. Using ADG brass and over book max of H1000. I’m sure it’s over pressure but no signs of it. Also he’s growing his man bun after buying the PRC 😂

@@ReloadingWeatherby and thanks for the great videos! Always appreciated!

Marketing is strong with the newer cartridges.

@@ReloadingWeatherby i like watching the real gunsmith on KZfaq alot of people says he is behind the times but he knows what is proven performers and just don’t go along with the latest greatest because he knows they really aint better than what we have had for years. He is no nonsense

Hornady was using RL-26 to get those velocities.

That's fair

Maybe a manbun dyed purple. 🤣

Wispy mustache.......

🐔 The Mohawk! 🤣

Crewcut … but with an earring 😝

My comparison was with real world numbers... not hypothetical marketing numbers to help sell a cartridge. Remember I'm only using a 22 inch barrel on the 270... I have a 24 inch barrel on my 7mm PRC.

@ReloadingWeatherby so the 270 would have a even slower speed with a 22"... Mate hodgdon lists 7mm prc Ramshot 80g, 3083fps, 62,400psi Powder manufacturer wants to sell 7mm prcs, your kidding right? Il believe tried and PRESSURE tested data thr powder manufacturer releases over your figures.

Just get a 6.8Western

Nah... it stands for Public Relations Cartridge

Just using real velocities I got with both

​@ReloadingWeatherby other people are getting over 3K including myself with the 7prc. And my 270 doesn't like bullets over 140 grains. So if I was doing this exact same video I'd have very different results.

@alexheilman1035 Factory ammo or are you reloading?

Reloading. 7mm prc is a seekings ph2 so my barrel is longer most though with full disclosure.

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How much over max are you? My friend got 2950 FPS with the 195 gr... but was blowing primers due to over pressure

Being there is no good data for N568 with 190LRHT and I have no pressure signs or excessive web expansion, I’d say none. Primer pockets are tight.

I’m using Peterson brass.

@@philrizzo Now I'm curious... how much powder are you using?

I’ll share but not on a platform this broad. It’s barely compressed with an 8” drop tube. With 568 I’m not sure you can over-pressure.

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The 6.8 Western

Good idea

Isn't it great we have so many good options?

@@ReloadingWeatherby I agree 100% truth be told if I knew about the sevenPRC powder gate I would’ve went with a 300 WSM because that was my ideal cartridge in my head but I got sucked into the hype. And after watching so many of your videos I can’t wait to own a Weatherby cartridge I think people should just get a rifle try it out for themselves and see what they like I love the videos you make

@@Chris-liwymi 300WSM da bomb. Thrilled with mine.

@@derekmcmurry Damn congrats my man I’m jealous I really wish I would have chose it but in my area I can’t find ammo and online it was almost $100 a box at the time very nice my man what rifle did you get with it

@@Chris-liwymi unfortunately youtube deletes my comments if I post where to buy 300wsm ammo for about $50/box of Norma tipstrike and Normal bondstrike but the guy has plenty of both and is in Texas. I have a 300WSM modified reamer made by JGS. I had the body opened up 0.02 and freebore lengthened so a 210 Berger is seated long just like the PRC designs. Thus, you have to have a medium to long action. My first is a Tikka stainless T3x Lite and my builder used my reamer to modify that factory barrel chamber. My second is a 24" K&P cut-rifled 8 twist #3 barrel I use with my Terminus Zeus quick barrel change long action. It's still in handload development process but right now it's insanely precise. I just got my Brux 4 groove #3 10 twist barrel and it will be cut for this action as well. I have more 30 cal barrels but bought into the hype (CRAP) on all this mystical and magical fast twist is NECESSARY and they are all 8 twist. AFTER I did more homework I realized I've done nothing but sacrifice potential velocity since that is what happens when you use faster twist barrels when NOT NECESSARY. Thus, I've ordered more 10 and 11 twist barrels for 300WSM. I do not plan to shoot any bullet heavier than 215. My gun builder used a 13 twist for his 300WSM using a 190 bullet. Now there's no shortage of (and I say this nicely), knuckleheads preaching that you need at least a 1-8 twist for something like a 300WSM. Really? It's gotten out of hand. i went with an 8 twist to start, which I'm very pleased, with my newest project, the 270-7PRC but even Berger says their 170 EOL only needs a 9 twist so I have a few on order

How so?

@@ReloadingWeatherby Welp...You know the Federal ammo is doing what it's doing but start the video off saying that you can't get factory ammo that does that and use 150fps less than that for the comparison. You're comparing 270 reloads to the crappiest factory Prc that's currently available. You're fully aware of what people are getting out Prc reloads, you've read all the same stuff I have. You're comparing the top end of the 270 to where the Prc is just getting started. Idk...the whole video felt like a bit of a stretch of reality. The 270 is a damn fine cartridge. Half decent long range cartridge even in its SAAMI form. But it's no Prc. It's really not even close, not at distance anyways.

@@ReloadingWeatherby It's supposed to be delivered tomorrow by the way. 😁

@@ReloadingWeatherby I guess it just goes back to the same conversation we always have. If you modify the legacy rifles/cartridges, they can be equal to or better than modern cartridges you can buy off the shelf but in their SAAMI form they're just not.

@@dankcincy Here is what I have found with loading 2 different 7mm PRC rifles with 24 inch barrels. You can only get 3000 FPS(175gr) with RL-26. Hornady wanted to prove just how superior their new cartridge was over the 7 Rem Mag and 6.8 Western so they used the fastest powder possible. Hornady made a gamble and now it's biting them in the butt. Federal who is owned by the same company that owns Alliant powders has taken advantage and is using RL-26. All other powders I've tried... Retumbo, H1000, RL-22, H4831SC and Staball HD don't come close to 3000 FPS. The only way to do that is to just stand on it with reloads. So yes reloaders are getting close to or 3000 FPS by being 3 gr over max. And sure you can do that, just expect short brass life. I did this with my 300 WBY for a time. If I really wanted to I could push a 175 gr bullet over 3400 FPS. I hit 3394 FPS while being 1.5 gr under max. But it was a bit over pressure. As for the 270 Winchester it is right at the top. I put the data in GRT and it's almost hitting 65k psi with that 170 gr EOL load at 2850 FPS. Couple of weeks ago I put out a short of a 7mm PRC Fierce rifle with the 195 gr EOL going 2850 FPS. The owner of the rifle is using Retumbo and is 2 gr over max. And it shows on his brass and when we tried 3 gr over max we were blowing primers. The truth is 7mm PRC reloaders are only getting the coveted velocities that Hornady promised by going way over pressure.

I did a video covering that topic. The comments section for that video are fun

@@ReloadingWeatherby oh bro I bet. I spent 4 hours stuck in a conversation with a guy that claimed his $16,000 AR setup (thing looked like it weighed 100lbs it had so much bullshit attached to the rails) was “sighted in at 1000 yards” however that’s supposed to work. And he has personally seen guys “hit with 5.56 at 900 yards blown apart” Pretty sure my IQ dropped 50 points in the first 10 minutes of him speaking. Also he had dozens of photos of him in all kinds of operator gear. Dude works for a prison or something. Never served. Idk why but I swear every single one of these dudes is copy pasted.

@@beware3586 If you want to be entertained by the comments... here is the video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nNaDebNozr6zqYE.html

@@ReloadingWeatherby Yes thank you!

I don't know

1in10 twist? If you're at higher elevation you should try the 165 gr ABLR.

@ReloadingWeatherby yeah it's a 10 twist, she's from Japan back when McMillan and wby worked together it has a fibermark stock on it

Not sure the 270 Winchester is better, but it sure does hold it's own with modern bullets.

@ReloadingWeatherby it's ok to offend people by saying something old is better than something new. 🤷 For example. I think the best thing about the 300 weatherby is taking 300 weatherby brass and resizing it to 8mm Remington magnum. 🤷

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