Don't compare it to the Tesla. Tesla will do fine. Compare it to the VAG cars and the Big Mach.

@@rogerstarkey5390 had the electric Golf before. Made a test drive in the ID3 and was completely disappointed from VW. The interior looks and feels like a Renault Twingo from the nineties. And it drives worse than the Golf. Build quality is lower from VW for sure. The Hyundai is closer to my Mercedes than to the VW. Especial to the ID.3

I ordered an Ioniq 5 yesterday ! Haven't seen one on the road here (Belgium) yet...but I loved the test drive I did. roomy, comfy, great displays...

@@IVH-BE it is indeed a great car. Hope you’ll get it soon.

@@ckone6368 lol someone got triggered by that Tesla comparison 😂

I test drove both here in Norway and Tesla let me test drive the car, even when I came in when they were closing, so I kept the guys at work for half an hour longer. Then I got a over night test drive, which I had during the worst weather in years. When it comes to price, if you want the glass roof and everything the Model Y has, not choosing metallic paint, then the total costs comes to 570k nok. About 10K less than the Model Y. Interest on your loan will cost 30-40k more for 5 years for the Ioniq 5, which makes the total price of the Ioniq 5 higher than the Model Y. If you choose not to have the glass roof, then the price falls to 550k. They gave me a price of 61 000 kr for serivce up to 120 000 km. That is more than an XC90 and way, way more than the ID4 and Model Y. So cost of ownership is also a lot higher for the Ioniq 5. It might be that the seller put in the wrong model for the service deal, or he thought me gullible. Either way, the sellers at both Tesla and Møller, did not recommend a service deal for electric veichles and Møller were just a lot more proffesional as well. But things you do not get on the Ioniq 5, is visibility through your headlights during a Norwegian winter. I have not tested this at night, but the placement of those headlights made it so after the two hours I was driving, you could hardly see the headlights at all. Did not have the same problem with the ID4 and Model Y in the same conditions. Space. I would say you have around twice the usable space in the Model Y compared to the ID4 and Ioniq 5. The well beneath the trunk, the much larger trunk and the frunk makes a huge difference that you do not really notice until you try to put in a dog cage or something like it. Storage room in the front. THe open area with the adjustable center removes pretty much all storage space to create a feeling of spaceiousnes, which gives little back. Your phone is also hidden away when charging, so you can't see if that notification was something critical, without taking your eyes of the road. A functional map that can plan trips. I plot in Stockholm in all the cars, because the trip will require at least one charging stop. The ID4 and Model Y showed were to charge, how long and the total trip time. The Ioniq 5 wanted me to charge right away, even with a 80% battery. It did not show any useful information at all... The map is also worse than any other car I have driven (except a 2021 Toyota Corolla rental, which does not have any side roads on the map at all. I was just driving out on a field the whole time). Voice commands. None of them worked. Motor.no didn't get it to work either. Worked flawlessly in the Tesla and almost flawlessly in the ID4. There are so many other quality of life problems as well. You have physical buttons, which is great, but not for the things you normally use. Media opens up a slide on the screen where you have to chose between bluetooth and radio... Why can't it remember which one you are using? It has buttons for navigation AND for the map. They are the same thing! Remove one, put down phone instead. The Ioniq 5 has many buttons which just opens something for you to choose on the screen. That removes the whole point of having buttons to begin with... Take seat heating and cooling. Press the button, then move your hand 30-40 cm up to the screen to press either down for cooling or up for heating. Then, if you do not want it to go on full, move your hand either 5 cm up or down again so you can press either up or down to adjust. I adjust my heated seats all the time. You move your hands 43 cm more than on the Model Y, 45 cm more than the ID4. You have to press three different places. It takes so much attention away from the road. It is one of the worst designs I have seen for something you use all the time. People complain that the Tesla now requires you to go into a menu. Well, the Ioniq 5 has that, only 10 times worse. Tesla can fix it with a software update, the Ioniq 5 cannot. The head-up display was fuzzy and of a lot lower quality than the ID4 one. It, like most of the head ups, is also invisible with my sunglasses (the ID4 was a little better, so again with the quality), which means you have to see your speed on the screen instead. Which of course is hidden entirely behind the wheel. Which means that I had to move my whole upper body to see how fast I was going. Never had a car which this was such a huge problem in before. People complain about the Tesla, but I didn't have to move my head at all to see the speed in the Y. The ID4 also has the speed just right there in the middle. No problems at all. I went to test drive these cars, thinking that I would end up buying the Ioniq 5. For me, with the price being higher than the Model Y, longer delivery date and the worst experience I have had with a user interface in any modern car, it just isn't worth it. If you could get the same car, without the glass roof, for around 50 000 less, then maybe. You can get the ID4 for a lot less than the other two, but the loan, again, adds 30k to the price, over 5 years. That means you just end up with a slightly less expensive car that has half the things the Model Y has as standard. And I need the space. So having test driven all three cars, I found the Ioniq 5 to be the worst of them, for my everyday use. Even though there is a lot of positive sides of the Ioniq 5 (seats, the ride, android auto (though it is through a cabled connection, which just means that you have to leave your phone near the floor, have a cable that can hook your right leg and create accidents, and makes the open solution in the car useless), the passenger seats, head up display (though far from a "good" one) and more) they are just to few for the price and how frustrating everything is for what I use the most.

@@fredrikfjeld1575 damn, 5 star review right there

@@justobserving4862 I have many more opinions about all three of the cars and could have written pretty much the same amount as above, just about the map on the Ioniq 5. It would however have taken me a lot of time. There is a lot to like about the car, but it was annoying as hell. It also muted the stereo (which I hope for the owners sake is an option you can turn off) every time it thought I was crossing a line. It is snow on the road, so it thought I was crossing lines all the time! It gave an alert and muted the stereo at least 10 times in 4-5 minutes. Again, compable with the Toyota Corolla I had to drive for a month. That car didn't just give an alert, but tried to steer the car when it thought I was driving over lines. The car actively tried to drive me off the road. Wisely I saw that the same function was turned off on the demo car from Hyundai. And I don't think I mentioned 1-pedal driving, which the car can't remember, so you have to manually turn it on every time you start it. Just why. Imagine always using 1-pedal driving, and then forgetting to turn it on only once, it like a year. That is the way you hit someone walking over the street or rear end someone. There is a lot of positive things to say about the Hyundai as well, and most reviewers are great at mentioning those. Few mention the faults though.

Awesome! It is an amazing car that I am considering purchasing in the future!

We have test driven the Ioniq 5 a couple of, and from my "copilots" perspective, it is the best car ever. It is amazing, and it may very well be our next car, driving a BMW i3 (full EV, not hybrid) Living in Europe, the non-Tesla charge network is no issue at all, and I am pretty sure it will not be an issue for long in the US either.

@@steinareliassen385 the charging network sucks if it’s not a Tesla supercharger. Have you used it? I have owned a model X since 2016 and the charging always works. Anytime I use electrify America or any other charging network, it fails or there’s an issue for charging speeds. No one takes care of them. In 10 years I might consider buying something outside of TESLA but any other EV is handcuffed.

@@GET2222 I have owned electric cars for 7 years, never had a Tesla. While, yes, the Tesla charge network is better, I have never had any issues getting where I want. In the early days with our LEAF, there was some issues with broken chargers and not enough of them, but this is not much of a problem anymore. Tesla will be opening their network for other brands soon anyway (not sure if that is valid for the US...) I don't think the US will be far behind, and speed charging for other brands will not be an issue much longer there either. I cannot get a Tesla, the carrying capacity is just too dang low expect for the Model X, and that car is too big and too expensive...

@@steinareliassen385 cybertruck will solve any carrying capacity. The Model Y can carry more than a Leaf. I see Model Y’s pulling large boats as well. The Model Y Isn’t much smaller than a Model X.

@@GET2222 6kg more than the LEAF is not exactly a lot, specially when the Model Y competes against cars of a different class (id4 etc). What the cypertruck can carry is kinda irrelevant for people that consider the Model Y and similar cars... Ioniq 5 / EV6 can carry a lot more than Model Y, pull just as much, and are all in all nicer cars.

The ioniq 5 is just outdatedd concerning interior and software. It feels old and unpleasant to use.

@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 interior is on much higher level than any tesla. Software is a matter of preference. I don't like tesla approach with all functions in screen

@@nikolarunjavec1079 the Ioniqu is outdated crap.

@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 I finally agree. Thank you for enlightening me. 😅

And you dont need to use the tablet to open the glovebox :)

Yes, in the European version it does offer the higher peak output that you mentioned due the the higher voltage - the US version is rated at the 1.9kW.

Yes the cells themselves are getting the same amount of current as on 400V systems unless Hyundai would be able to fit in like 150kWh pack in the same dimensions it has now. To me 800V gives some efficiency savings (lighter cabling, more efficient components that generate less heat) but maybe it's just preparation for the future when new cells are being developed with greater energy density. I have also tracked both charging sessions and compared to Tesla Model 3, Ioniq 5 is charging maybe 10% faster that translates to like few minutes longer charging sessions during long trips. So nothing revolutionary here except media hype. So I don't think they stress theirs cells that much.

@@emceh To be fair, it's Hyundai itself which is claiming much faster charging speeds. It's not *just* media hype, it's an actual claim. But let's say you're right about Hyundai's 10% faster charging. 10% faster charging than a Tesla, if using great big pouch cells which can develop hot spots, would represent a very aggressive tradeoff: faster charging speed at the expense of cell stress and cycle life.

You make great points (as always) and thanks for your perspective. The IONIQ 5 does use pouch cells as you thought.

@@Cleanerwatt I'm glad that you are welcoming my input. We're all on a learning curve here (me included). Too often, what we're being told by 'journalists' (I use the term loosely) is wrong. We need to keep our critical thinking skills sharp and help defend each other from nonsense. Team effort!

@@emceh for the same power, at 800V vs 400V, the cells are getting half the current and hence less heat. Power= Voltage x Current or watts = volts x amperes

It’s a great car for the money. I prefer my Tesla, but if I couldn’t afford a Tesla I’d absolutely by this.

How well do you think the car is going to be supported? How well proven is the technology? How many of these cars are going to be driving around?

@@bluetoad2668 They are building EVs since 2016, if I am not mistaken, quite popular in Europe

I think Bjorn explained it here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j9WHeLeD0bmnn5c.html

We'll have to chk for local chargers B4 I buy (after supply chain nitemare is over).

It’s still DC fast charging, but yes, it will be slower due to the lower voltage.

Yes. You're only as fast as your slowest point.

"slow charging" is generally used when you talk about AC charging. As mentioned in this video, the Ioniq 5 charges a little slower on a 400V DC charger, but it still charges fast, even faster than the Model Y.

I disagree. He misleads by not mentioning most of the features ONLY pertain to the Limited and SEL trim levels. Not cool. Why? Additionally, my I5 was NOT ELEGIBLE for the tax rebate, just purchased on April 4, 2023.

Nobody gives a shit about V2G.

They are starting out with a limited number at first, but I read that they will be expanding in 2022!

@@Cleanerwatt another reason I'll be sticking with Tesla.

@@gimmieboy There will be enough room four any competitive BEV in the marketplace. I drive a Lexus but I don’t hate Mercedes.

@@royphillips7644 did you misread? I never said hate. I said I wanted one but they don't sell them here. Reread

@@gimmieboy Sorry my bad

@Adam Davis Uhm, you are aware that passengers tend to weigh something? It is an SUV. Put 5 adults in the car and your risk being over the weight limit.

The EA network is improving at a steady pace, and so is their reliability. While not as good as the supercharger network, it's manageable at this point. Besides, most people will be charging at home 90% of the time anyways, and Tesla does not hold any advantage there.

@@adam964 There was a test run about 2 weeks ago(?) The Big Mach had MAJOR charging problems and ended of 6 hours behind. So, no, it's not "manageable at this point"

I have been driving my lill "short range" BMW i3 around Europe. I am sure the Ioniq 5 with it's long range will give no problems at all...

Very nice!

You can preheat for cool car remotely?

Do you have both phone formats??

@@rogerstarkey5390 yes.

Thanks. This one I am checking on, especially with the rebate. I need something cheaper. Lower income me, and all.

Yes, but it is a little small ( little less than 1 cubic foot of space).

ID and Pole 🌟 , low bar

@@bluetoad2668 Agree, VW is a low bar but listen to Alex at E for Electric for very high praise for iD4 as an owner and Tesla avoider. Strangely, Norway is buying a lot of these as well as much of EU. VW EV will be cheap when TN plant produces it with govt credits. But I’m a 2-time Tesla fanboy.

Maybe because it’s a comparison to the model Y!

@@RW-ur7ym Maybe because it doesn't say anything about being a comparison video and actually states it's about the Hyundai Ioniq 5

It functions on ordinary 400 chargers with high speed, it has a built-in transformer or smth., so it does not need a 800 v charger to charge.

@@janisb.9986 that is going to affect how many KW of energy can be pulled from the charger. The xformer actually introduces another inefficiency. You cannot charge at a rate faster than the charger can deliver the juice. It does sound like it probably charges well compared to many.. they 800v just isnt the big boost it is made to sound like. It does mean more batteries in parallel so charging will be quicker if you can get the full amount of juice. Like others have said I'd like to see it's 10% +200 miles range charge time. These other times dont mean much.

@@RussInGA for the same 400V charger (e.g. 150kW), it can delivery faster to the ioniq 5 because the car's internal inverter will step up the 400V to 800V and along the way, reduce heat while charging. with less heat, the high charge rate can be maintained longer, hence shortening the charging time.

@@honsinglee4805 perhaps.. other paths to this as well (4680 tabless cells?) anything that allows the charge curve to taper slower will be helpful. I am interested in more numbers on it as they become available. I^2R is a rough thing and less I going into the battery does seem helpful.

@@RussInGA the main culprit is still heat. with cylindrical cell design, heat dissipation (especially at the core) is weak. future battery cells should not be in cylindrical form.

I think you are correct. This is why I do not like vendors quoting a 10-80% charge time. 80% of what? A much better measure is how long does it take to achieve 100, 200, or 300 miles from a low state of charge.

@@johnpoldo8817 correct. 200mi is the sweet spot for general use. That’s 80% on a taycan or standard range Tesla, and 60% on a long range Tesla. I guess it would be 85% on the Ioniq 5? Apples to apples. Miles to miles.

Also....most charging is at home.

@@bluetoad2668 for some. Can’t presume for everyone but yes that goes to the real world usage. Top up at home or at destination/overnight. For the road trip 150-200 miles gets you from charger to charger optimally. Charging higher is usually going to slow you down significantly.

2023

@@fredbloggs5902 What's that in Elon time?

@@dVb9 last week

That's right.... support US manufacturing.

Recharge it to make it alive😂

I think you are absolutely correct.

@@bluetoad2668 Gotta have my HUD!

We should know about the IONIQ 5 N (performance version) in the near future... I believe it will be able to do a 0-60 mph in around 3.5 sec.

@@Cleanerwatt Is the performance version the dual motor? If it is it’s 5.2. m.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/grViZdKftLDGXXU.html