8 inch Guns

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Bob Freeman

Bob Freeman

8 жыл бұрын

Declassiified US Navy Training Film

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@CRAZYHORSE19682003
@CRAZYHORSE19682003 6 жыл бұрын
I served on the USS Iowa as a gunners mate in 16 inch turret #1. When I was watching this film and they were showing the projectile decks I couldn't help but think awwww look at those cute little shells.
@ramairgto72
@ramairgto72 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for serving brother. I have always felt we should have at least ONE battleship kept in service, we keep the Constitution on the books, seems we should do the same for a battleship. US ARMY Combat Engineer
@CRAZYHORSE19682003
@CRAZYHORSE19682003 6 жыл бұрын
I would disagree for one simple reason. The Battleships are old and worn out. The Iowa leaked about 5 gallons of hydraulic fluid A DAY on the electrical decks. The replacement parts were no longer made and she could not be fixed. A secondary reason is the powder is all old and in unusable condition. I do not think anyone makes that kind of powder anymore. We had powder on the Iowa from the 1930's. It was old, breaking down and was quite possible the reason why we had out accident on 4/19/89.
@tonytrotta9322
@tonytrotta9322 5 жыл бұрын
Remember in WW2: The majority of the Pacific Island bombarding was done by the older battleships and cruisers for the newer battleships were used to screen the aircraft carriers. My dad was on the USS Louisville CA 28 and here is a list of some of her bombardments along with the older battleships: Not the USS Iowa: USS LOUISVILLE CA- 28 Heavy Cruiser 1944-45 1 - Extensive shelling Island of Wotje in Marshalls. 2 - Bombardment Roi & Namur Islands. 3 - Led gunfire support Eniwetok Island. 4 - Bombarded Palaus Island. 5 - Bombarded Truk & Sawatan. 6 - 11 days of continued fire support Siapan. 7 - Bombarded Tinian & Guam. 8 - Enter Leyte Gulf - support major allied invasion force & shelled shore installations for 7 straight days. 9 - Battle of Surigao Strait - Flagship for Rear Admiral Jesse Oldendorf. 10 - Support landings at Lingayen Gulf. Hit by (2) kamikaze & killed Rear Admiral Theodore Chandler & many sailors. 11 - Fire support for Okinawa. Hit by another Kamikaze. 12 - Delivered Bull Halsey’s officers & staff - (150) to USS Missouri. 13 - Continued fire support duties. 14 - War ends. 15 - Escorted surrendered Japanese ships from Tsingato, China to Jinsen, Korea.
@therecklessboyt.r.b5207
@therecklessboyt.r.b5207 5 жыл бұрын
Theokolese The Shadow Of Death what ship is the video showing like the name of it example uss nc
@therecklessboyt.r.b5207
@therecklessboyt.r.b5207 5 жыл бұрын
And thank you for your service sir ooorah
@Jamestfarrell
@Jamestfarrell 2 жыл бұрын
The USS Saint Paul (CA73) used a fundamentally different system, and I mean FUNDAMENTALLY different. Of course, the Fighting Saint was born towards the end of WWII. The projectile arrived in the gun room and the hoist it came up on dropped flat at the scissor hinge near the top of the projectile. Then the projectile was rammed into the bore. As soon as the ram retracted, two separate, 45lb bags of powder were tossed by crew members into the bore behind the projectile. The gun captain then closed and latched the breech and primed it with what was, essentially, a 45 Long Colt cartridge. That is what fired the round AFTER the gun pointer (which was ME in Vietnam) closes the foot trigger. Each gun in each turret had a pointer (controlled elevation of each gun in each turret) and each turret needed only one trainer (controlled lateral rotation of entire turret). As I recall, we fired either 260 lb projectiles or 365 lb armor piercing, most with brass nose fuses we installed as directed by CIC.
@captainrevenge5960
@captainrevenge5960 7 жыл бұрын
Des Moines Class Mark 16 gun, we still have the USS Salem CA 139, although the film indicates Salem was the 1st, USS Des Moines was 1st, 3 were built. The 3rd being the USS Newport News.
@ericcorse
@ericcorse 6 жыл бұрын
I never realized they could be used for AA. That is a heck of a punch a heavy Cruiser has.
@hyperiongm330
@hyperiongm330 6 жыл бұрын
I'd Imagine that the 8"/55RF was more useful against Torpedo bombers than anything else, they flew low, slow, and on predictable courses that the 6 second loading time for each gun could take advantage of.
@Sean_Coyne
@Sean_Coyne 6 жыл бұрын
Proximity fuses on rapid fire 8" shells under radar fire control = devastating wall of metal.
@MajesticDemonLord
@MajesticDemonLord 6 жыл бұрын
the Yamato's 18 Inch Monsters had an AA Shell that they could fire too (although, apparently it wasn't very succesful)
@steeltrap3800
@steeltrap3800 6 жыл бұрын
Yamato's shells were like giant shotgun cartridges, not at all similar to a proximity fused AA shell. As far as anyone knows, they never killed any aircraft with them. Proximity fusing was one of THE greatest factors responsible for the differences in AA performance (and arty for that matter) between the Allied and Axis forces in WW2.
@hyperiongm330
@hyperiongm330 6 жыл бұрын
Actually apparently Yamato did shoot down planes with the Type 3 shells. They were A6M Zeros.
@jockbeems4798
@jockbeems4798 3 жыл бұрын
Parbuckling looks tiring. Imagine a 3 or 4 hour bombardment... I bet they took turns relieving each other.
@deafsmith1006
@deafsmith1006 7 жыл бұрын
So the rammer moved with the gun as it elevated, thus they didn't have to lower the gun to load! Ammo first transferred to a loader sort of like a .22 rifle with a tube! 10 rounds a minute per gun at ANY ANGLE! I bet a lot of their ideas are now used on rapid fire 6 and six inch mounts.
@bambam144
@bambam144 3 жыл бұрын
it's a fantastic piece of engineering. huge respect
@Ekatjam
@Ekatjam 6 жыл бұрын
The USS Salem is docked in Quincy, Massachusetts where it was built. It is a floating museum, but last summer when I went out there it was closed and looked neglected.
@ramairgto72
@ramairgto72 6 жыл бұрын
I been wanting to look up the Texas, but I don't want to get upset....again.
@mrz80
@mrz80 3 жыл бұрын
@@ramairgto72 Hang in there, Texas is getting some TLC. The museum's spent the last while torching out rusted framing and pretty much rebuilding her keel and ribbing to get her stable enough to move to drydock to have her hull plating replaced. From what I've seen and read, it was a LOT, a lot, of hot, unpleasant hard work down in the bowels of the hull welding in new steel here there and everywhere to shore up the ship's structure.
@chriscunningham9740
@chriscunningham9740 2 жыл бұрын
Maintaining a 700 foot heavy cruiser is expensive
@stupidburp
@stupidburp 6 жыл бұрын
Should use 8 inch guns again. Turret movement can now be much faster to train and elevate onto targets. Automation now enables faster loading with less muscle required. The size and weight does not have to be that much more than for 5 or 6 inch guns. Much more effective when used for shore bombardment than the common 5 inch guns. With modern fire control they would be effective against many different targets. They already had much of this long ago but we could make them even better today with modern tech.
@hbscimitar
@hbscimitar 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the upload. Thanks for your service.
@a.saintango1311
@a.saintango1311 Жыл бұрын
This is beautiful. Now that’s firepower. A round every two seconds.
@ygma1460
@ygma1460 6 жыл бұрын
Hanging down from this erect structure is the suspended structure... *Beavis and Butt-Head laugh*
@bambam144
@bambam144 3 жыл бұрын
thx for uploading very informative video and explains a lot why the dms are so good at wows.
@ut000bs
@ut000bs 6 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, the Des Moines and Oregon City class CAs, while still sleek, weren't as pleasing to the eye as the Baltimores. That big, single funnel took something away from the flow the eye took over the twin-funneled Baltimore class. What do you think?
@MartyInLa
@MartyInLa 6 жыл бұрын
These guns are awesome in World of Warships. They make a heavy cruiser a threat to battleships!
@GrantE90
@GrantE90 4 жыл бұрын
My BB captains probably have PTSD after fighting enough Des Moines and Salems. I even received a citadel in my Vladivostok from a Des Moine at close range :)
@217mrscotty
@217mrscotty 7 жыл бұрын
Great vid thanks for the upload
@pingpong5000
@pingpong5000 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting video thanks
@MrDgwphotos
@MrDgwphotos 6 жыл бұрын
After watching this, you should watch the video of the Iowas and their 16in guns to see the difference between them.
@marko11kram
@marko11kram 5 жыл бұрын
and watch how the us army used the 8" gun on a tracked vehicle
@frankmueller2781
@frankmueller2781 6 жыл бұрын
I want one!
@blipzero
@blipzero 6 жыл бұрын
thank you i had no idea :D
@nickriley4609
@nickriley4609 2 жыл бұрын
Wish we still had guns like these...I know what your gonna say about missiles but with missles and vls you can't resupply at sea...guns you could..each has its pros and cons but why not have em
@ramairgto72
@ramairgto72 6 жыл бұрын
......."Almost completely automatic in operation"... ... "The crew is made up of 35 officers and men"..... That's the military talking, for sure.
@GlowingSpamraam
@GlowingSpamraam 5 жыл бұрын
lol
@SengTien9229
@SengTien9229 2 жыл бұрын
It looks like the inside of the turret of the previous warship seems to be very interesting😂
@clarencedelacruz7822
@clarencedelacruz7822 3 жыл бұрын
I wish the battleships had this but with silk bags. I wonder how complex would it be?
@bambam144
@bambam144 3 жыл бұрын
never a fan of these silk bags, 'cause the germans have put them in messing cartridges, before the loading cycle.
@geraldalamboloto9634
@geraldalamboloto9634 3 жыл бұрын
Where the gun come from
@gengennewnew
@gengennewnew 4 жыл бұрын
At that time, American war-weapons videos always have that voice. lol. I am a Korean who likes those 1950s videos. Does anyone know the name of that narrator?
@nosteponsneek4616
@nosteponsneek4616 3 жыл бұрын
its not one specific narrator, voice actors and narrators were cast and trained differently back then - If you listen to smth like the History channels some of the voices there will be quite similar, barring advances in microphone technology
@gengennewnew
@gengennewnew 3 жыл бұрын
@@nosteponsneek4616 aha. Im poor English. Sry and thank you so much
@Beemer917
@Beemer917 4 жыл бұрын
I'll bet that thing made a cloud of ack ack schrapnal for any unwise aircraft, as long as it didn't fire any missiles at the ship from forty miles.
@logansorenssen
@logansorenssen 2 жыл бұрын
When they were first introduced, the closest thing to an anti-ship missile had much shorter range than the 8" or even 5" guns. Of course, that was no longer true by the time they took USS Newport News out of service in 1975. If the class had hung around any longer they likely would have been refitted with SRBOC, Phalanx and possibly either Sea Sparrow or Standard.
@N_Wheeler
@N_Wheeler 6 жыл бұрын
So the expended powder casings ended up on the weather deck. Probably rolled over the side eventually. What about collecting those and repacking them with powder bags?
@kimmer6
@kimmer6 6 жыл бұрын
One of them rolled into my bedroom..... I actually threw out my back putting the case in the back seat of my car. What a brutal piece of brass. Its the king of my collection.
@invadegreece9281
@invadegreece9281 3 жыл бұрын
@@kimmer6 cool
@0ldFrittenfett
@0ldFrittenfett 6 жыл бұрын
Sorry if I sound disrespectful, but everytime the narrator says "Turret", it sounds like "Turd" to me. Partially because I'm german and in Germany we usually learn british english, I suppose. American sounds to me very much like a southern accent must sound to a Yankee.
@bnipmnaa
@bnipmnaa 6 жыл бұрын
Amis sind halt ein bißchen psychisch zurückgeblieben, da sie so gerne die eigene Schwester bzw. Mütter ficken.
@0ldFrittenfett
@0ldFrittenfett 6 жыл бұрын
Ts, ts.
@0ldFrittenfett
@0ldFrittenfett 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting indeed. Thank you very much. What does DKM mean? I know of the ship simply as "Admiral Graf Spee".
@0ldFrittenfett
@0ldFrittenfett 6 жыл бұрын
I did a bit of research. Some non-german Authors use this prefix for "Deutsche Kriegsmarine", but originally, the ships of the Third Reich had no prefixes at all. I guess these Authors do it to fit in with all the "USS", "HMS" and so forth.
@0ldFrittenfett
@0ldFrittenfett 6 жыл бұрын
Most probable.
@mattp9361
@mattp9361 6 жыл бұрын
Whoa, whoa, whoa! I know how bullets work, I reload. The video shows the projectile and powder going in the a case comes out??? Where did the case come from? Is the "powder case" the case and powder then it gets the projectile pressed in?
@MrDgwphotos
@MrDgwphotos 6 жыл бұрын
These rounds are semi fixed, the powder is carried in the separate case, then mated with the shell on the loading tray.
@steeltrap3800
@steeltrap3800 6 жыл бұрын
The case IS the powder. Unlike earlier guns, especially the big naval rifles (12" and up), these ones had powder in a fixed case instead of bags that were destroyed when fired.
@Jamestfarrell
@Jamestfarrell 2 жыл бұрын
@@steeltrap3800 Correcto!
@MajesticDemonLord
@MajesticDemonLord 6 жыл бұрын
I love sailing my USS Des Moines in World of Warships - so much pew pew pew. Thanks for Sharing!
@byronking9573
@byronking9573 7 жыл бұрын
Interesting look-back at 8"-guns... Noticed that ammo handlers seemed to be wearing ankle-cut, normal shoes (polished, too!), and not steel-toed boots. Drop a shell or powder can on your foot, and it'll leave a mark. Yikes...
@thomassutherland8020
@thomassutherland8020 7 жыл бұрын
Byron King the classic Navy "Boondockers ".
@BarbikaPahor
@BarbikaPahor 6 жыл бұрын
they are wearing jeans too. all just for this film
@ut000bs
@ut000bs 6 жыл бұрын
The boondockers I wore in the Navy had steel toes.
@Debbiebabe69
@Debbiebabe69 6 жыл бұрын
Did steely toe boots exist in the 1940s?
@JackpineGandy
@JackpineGandy 6 жыл бұрын
those are Navy dungarees, standard issue - the leg is straight-cut, but looks bell-bottomed -- the shirt is called a chambray, and is a light blue cotton fabric.
@fastfingers110
@fastfingers110 6 жыл бұрын
so what actually ignites the powder keg???
@ramairgto72
@ramairgto72 6 жыл бұрын
They feed a mouse crack cocaine, stuff it in at the last moment.
@JohnMaxGriffin
@JohnMaxGriffin 6 жыл бұрын
It's a casing, so it's got the primer built into it. Firing pin on the breech ignites the primer, which ignites the charge.
@Jamestfarrell
@Jamestfarrell 2 жыл бұрын
Basically a 45 Long Colt cartridge (sans projectile, of course!). It's an electronically controlled firing pin but the gun captain also has a lanyard in case of a misfire or hang fire. A VERY tense few minutes for those of us in the gun room on the few occasions it happened off the coast of Vietnam. We all new about the explosion on our ship (the Saint Paul), the result of a hang fire, about 15 years earlier. Still not something the US Navy likes to talk about. Google it.
@alanpeterson6224
@alanpeterson6224 6 жыл бұрын
What's the 55 stand for?
@stephenkeebler732
@stephenkeebler732 6 жыл бұрын
The length of the barrel in 'Diameters' of the Round fired. 8" x 55 = about 37'
@alanpeterson6224
@alanpeterson6224 6 жыл бұрын
+Stephen Keebler:Thank you.
@alansawyer2799
@alansawyer2799 6 жыл бұрын
Want to see real rapid fire guns check out HMS Tiger firing 6 and 3 inch guns .
@DIVeltro
@DIVeltro Жыл бұрын
Link?
@lagrangesix9836
@lagrangesix9836 6 жыл бұрын
18 guys, permanently deaf after one shot.
@ericcorse
@ericcorse 6 жыл бұрын
I have read that when they fired the 18" guns sailors shouldn't be on the deck as it would turn them into protoplasm.
@rickkernell6131
@rickkernell6131 6 жыл бұрын
They are really only 6 inches, we just tell the girls that they are eight...
@bestamerica
@bestamerica 6 жыл бұрын
' american military company can make it 8 inch big gun on the big tank and 2 big wide tracks... almost same as maus tank or T-28/95 tank... same similar big artillery gun or big howtizer gun
@swaghauler8334
@swaghauler8334 6 жыл бұрын
That would be the now retired M110 8" self propelled howitzer. The MLRS replaced them.
@bestamerica
@bestamerica 6 жыл бұрын
thank swaghauler... better keep both military vehicles services... MLRS must use it with 8 patriot missiles or another missiles... M110 howitzer gun with a tank keep use it... no retirement = no stoppable
@hyperiongm330
@hyperiongm330 6 жыл бұрын
The M110 was retired for a variety of reasons, least of which was that the smaller 155mm guns could do the same job but far more efficiently and are far more mobile when either used as towed and self-propelled guns.
@neurofiedyamato8763
@neurofiedyamato8763 7 жыл бұрын
Too bad they came too late to see service in WW2.
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