Thanks for the encouraging feedback. Keep praying. God is very good at changing minds with or without much help from us!

Very far, Armstrong is a cult

These lectures (this and one by Russel Moore) demonstrate the genuineness of the dangers of which Jesus warned - multiple false messiahs proceeding His future return but ironically occuring at a point in time described "when the Son of Man might not find faith on earth". This, all these abberant theologies should be expected. The Bible asserts that some spiritual truths had been hidden by God until after His passion and arrest of Saul, the (sole) apostle to the Gentiles OF THE WORLD, NOT just to Jews in Israel.

John Darby was trained by the Jesuits and so was Charles Tate.John teached a false 7 year tribulation a secret rapture which is no where in the bible.Jesus says in John 6:39,40,44,54, John 11:24 says raise him up at the last day.Job 14:12-14.Darby,Charles Tate were Free Masons who the Jesuits controls all secret societies.

Dispensational ideas can be traced to the first century. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aq6bg9WGsM60pZs.htmlsi=f33JPViY3VyO1_sl

Steve Gregg has a video that covers some of Darby's bio.

@@debravictoria7452 I’ll check it out

My friend, a message like that makes it all worth it! Thank you.

Thank so much for the other teachers names. God bless you 🙏

It’s sad that you started with the truth but you’ve drifted away from it over time. I have experienced Christians such as Doug Hamp, Kent Hovind, and Rob Skiba who loved Chuck Missler’s teachings, but then changed horses by going from pre-trib to post-trib.

@@Landis_Grant Don’t quite understand why it’s sad. We will all end up in the same place. Worshiping the Lord of Glory for Eternity !

....what eschatology do you believe now.

Thanks for your kind feedback!

Tammy Arndt I'm the same way. I said God, even though I have been taught one thing, I want to know what the Lord is truly saying because as a preacher of the gospel I dont want to lead His people into lies, but truth. It's sad. My heart hurts. I want Gods heart

Dispensationalism was definitely taught in the early Church. If you care to know the truth go here biblereasons.com/dispensationalism-and-the-early-church-fathers/ and see for yourself

@@pastorpresent1134 Good article thanks.

Past or Present See what Jesus himself says in Mark 13 and Matthew 24. Clearly no secret Rapture or preTrib Rapture.

I appreciate your encouraging words. Thank you!

Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"? 7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? 8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) 10. Watch the KZfaq video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church: “The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?

I recently did a video "Who is the Antichrist and why does it matter", and in the description I have a playlist with a Chris Pinto video you may find interesting.

(From the Bible) The end. The Beast Lawlessness and iniquity were already at work when Revelation in the Bible was written. People had already started another movement and were preaching another Jesus, 2 Cor 11, 2 Thes 2:7. And it was for this reason Revelation was penned in riddles and a conundrum to understand. For the abandonment of the truth had already begun and the mysteries of heaven were hidden from those of this world. And is now revealed in this last day, Mt 13:11, Rv 14:6. What Revelation tells is a perplexing story. And to paraphrase what it forewarns and says: is there are two beasts that come to power. The way the story unfolds in Revelation is the first beast will suffer a head wound and appears dead when a second beast emerges on the scene. The second beast acquires all the first beast's power and helps heal the first beast's head wound, whereby he restores the first beast. At which point, the second beast will make an image of the first beast causing it to say great things. And he will kill everyone who refuses to worship him or the image he has created. Now if that isn't enough the second beast has a number for his name, which is 666. To understand what Revelation is saying; You will have to realize when Jesus came he cast evil spirits out of many people. This enabled him to heal their ailments. One example of spirit possession was when, Jesus was in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, the spirit in this man cried out with a loud voice, saying, Leave us alone; what do we have to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? have you come to destroy us? I know you are the Holy One of God. At which point Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and cast the evil spirit out of him. Lk 4: 33-35. That verse in Scripture reveals the devil is an evil spirit that inhabits people and he knows Jesus is the Christ. In fact, later that day, when the sun was setting, many sick people were brought unto Christ; and Jesus laid his hands on every one of them, and healed them. And those who were possessed by devils came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ, Lk 4: 40-41, Mt 8:16. So you see, evil spirits in people will confess Christ is the Son of God but obviously don’t follow his teachings. There are many other Scriptures that reveal this evil spirit's existence. And whether people believe in this presentation of the Bible or not, the beast is an evil spirit and the devil mentioned in Revelation! Then if you can understand the beast is an evil spirit, you will be able to interpret Revelation thirteen and Revelation seventeen. Whereas a beast would rise and it would have seven heads but these heads are actually mountains, Rv 17:9. As we know, on this day, there are seven continents that make up this world. And if you could visualize a continent rising out of the sea, you would know it is a huge mountain. Hence the seven heads on this beast are the seven continents because it was the devil's goal to deceive the entire world, Rv 12:9! ⁠ Now the first player or, as Revelation explained, the "first beast" was the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire ruled the world with an iron hand. They didn't accept Christ's teachings of evil spirits possessing them and they were in throes of Satan. They followed their own philosophies and once Christ was crucified; they persecuted the true Christians. Only God knows the atrocities they put them through. Whereby, it was given unto him (the evil spirit in them) to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations Rv 13:7. The world. Then Revelation explains the first beast would suffer a head wound and appear dead yet he would survive. So, one continent or that being one head on the beast was diffused. And of course, that was the Roman Empire (Europe). The Roman Empire was annihilated but after some years the continent was reestablished, however, they didn’t regain the power, she once enjoyed, Rv 13:3. This was because a second beast was rising. He appeared to have two horns like a lamb and spoke as a dragon, Rv 13:11. Having two horns like a lamb signifies two powers, and a lamb symbolizes Jesus. Approximately 666 AD history reveals during the Roman Empire’s demise there arose two apostate theologies fitting the description of a lamb. Both are divided into many issues but worship the same god in fact three of them. At first, they destroyed Israel and she was not a nation for nearly two thousand years Mth 24: 16-20. The teachings Christ brought were ignored and the doctrine of peace by force was adopted. Which eventually led to WWI and WWII. They made statues of those whom they killed even praying to them. They caused a movement that proclaimed to the world they were capable to lead all to Christ. These men saw how the true apostles called upon God's Spirit, and they assumed they could do the same thing. But because they were not established by the God of heaven, they caused those who followed them to receive an evil spirit whom they called the Holy Spirit. Even, 2 Corinthians 11:4 explains they preach another Jesus and take into them another spirit. This is in fact the abomination that brought ruin upon the world. Revelation explains this by saying; The second beast would cause the world to worship the first beast ( an evil spirit). Whereby people accepted another spirit in place of him who is Holy. Jn 2:18, 3Tim 3:17. Thus causing the world to worship the beast (an evil spirit) as God. Paul explained in Acts twenty, verse thirty, and thirty-one how these imposters were sitting with him. He warned how they would become apostate theologians. And explained how they would not spare the true church. But in fact, they would speak headstrong theology and would be against what Christ taught. They were obviously covetous and their goal was to make merchandise out of people and get followers to follow them. So, I hope you see, because it is one thing to sin which all of us are guilty of, but another thing to be governed by evil's depths. One example of a person who is governed by the depths of depravity is those who are serial killers. And if you knew a religious leader was conveying lies to his flock, causing them to die and end up in hell wouldn't you consider this leader a serial killer? And by all of this, I hope you are able to comprehend the beast is an evil spirit that influences people and if you are able to realize the first beast was an evil spirit that influenced the Roman Empire. The second beast was another population also influenced by this spirit. They would create an image of the first beast. Whereby the image would be likeness which would be another country with the same ambitions as the Empire. Sure there were wars that brought in the beginning of sorrows. WWI and WWII. But when the abomination of desolation is made known we find trouble not seen before. At which point we find a man will rise in power. And he will claim he is capable of saving the world. This is the man spoken of in Thessalonians. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not, Mt 24:26. “Those who see "him" will gaze at him, And consider him, saying: 'Is this the one who made the earth tremble, Isa 14:16.

@@bbell873is there Bible references that would show that the recipients of the book would have understood the seven heads to mean seven continents? I understand that not everyone will understand, because their comprehension is purposely inhibited, but were the seven continents a reality at the time?

Thank you!

I am very grateful for your warm and generous encouragement. Thank you and blessings to you in your ministry!

Thank you!

Thanks for the interesting bio, and thanks for your encouragement!

Biblical eschatology refines as time progresses.

@@lauroandrea3241 Biblical eschatology is within the Bible and it remains the same. People come up with their own theories, mostly because they want those who they hate to be portrayed as villains and enemies of God.

He was known as the father of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. They called themselves Bible students and Dr. Ruthaford took over for Taz as president of the organization. (The watchtower Bible and tract society)

I'd say any Post-millenial or Amillenial person understands the scripture better than Darby.

@@6amsensei945Anyone who allegorizes the fascinating words of the Word of God is to be pitied and prayed for. “Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2 Timothy 2: 15.

Darby isn't a writer in the bible

You're welcome. Thanks for your interest!

Absolutely true! Hence it is always a struggle for the truth to permeate the hearts of men! But ultimately the truth shall prevail over devil lies in Jesus Christ Name

Crapture

@@dafflad1 The rapture is a biblical concept in I Thessalonnians 4:16-17. Dispensationalism is not, but neither is so-called "Covenant Theology" or the evils of Calvinism.

@@richardlee2120 1 Thessalonians 1:10 and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead-Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath. The wrath was already coming at the time when the book was written. 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16 For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last. The wrath of God was coming upon them “at last”. This means it’s “around the corner”. It is however not directed towards the whole world but just the Jews who oppose the gospel from being taught to the Gentiles. Hence it could not have been directed to the whole world which makes up almost the whole world. 1 Thessalonians 3:3-4 so that no one would be unsettled by these trials. For you know quite well that we are destined for them. In fact, when we were with you, we kept telling you that we would be persecuted. And it turned out that way, as you well know. Paul tells the listeners to his letter who was addressed to that they were destined for this. Not our generation but theirs. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-4 The Day of the Lord Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. This tells us that the Thessalonians had at that time already know when the “thief in the night” was coming. There was no need for Paul to tell them when he was coming. In others words, the whole letter tells us the events mentioned in the whole book was about to take place at that time. So I have a question. How can the following verses be interpreted to be events that have yet to happen until today? 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Christ is your hope of glory. Not some rapture in the future.

@@richardlee2120 Let me say this. Did you know whenever Paul mentions “in the air” he does not mean in mid-air but that “the spiritual realm”? Ephesians 2:2 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. The air was the realm of Satan. It was where you were spiritually. So when Paul says: 1 Thessalonians 4:17 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. It means you are transferred from the kingdom of darkness into his kingdom of marvelous light. You were transformed from Sinai to Zion. You were transformed from “Worshipping in Jerusalem” to “worshipping in the spirit”. You no longer look toward the “old Jerusalem and it’s temple” for worship. You now look into yourself as the new temple and the New Jerusalem. You are transformed in the spiritual realm from Adam to Christ. You are moved from being a slave of sin to a slave of righteousness. You are transformed from Hagar to Sarah. You are transformed from the bride of the Law to the bride of Christ. Paul tells us when that was going to happen. 2 Corinthians 3:15-18 15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever- increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. This transformation happened when the veil is taken away. It happen when we see the Spirit. What is this veil that is taken away? It is the Law of Moses. You know when that happened? AD70. When the temple was destroyed. It was when the veil is fully lifted away. That was when you were transformed with a blink of an eye. That’s when your engagement to Jesus became a wedding. You are as he is in heaven. Romans 16:20 20 The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you. The key word to this promise is “soon”. Not 1000 years. Not 2000 years. But soon. Paul tells us that we will meet Jesus in the air in 1st Thessalonians 4. A quick overview of 1st Thessalonians. 1 Thessalonians 1:10 and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead-Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath. The wrath was already coming at the time when the book was written. 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16 For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last. The wrath of God was coming upon them “at last”. This means it’s “around the corner”. It is however not directed towards the whole world but just the Jews who oppose the gospel from being taught to the Gentiles. Hence it could not have been directed to the whole world which makes up almost the whole world. 1 Thessalonians 3:3-4 so that no one would be unsettled by these trials. For you know quite well that we are destined for them. In fact, when we were with you, we kept telling you that we would be persecuted. And it turned out that way, as you well know. Paul tells the listeners to his letter who was addressed to that they were destined for this. Not our generation but theirs. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-4 The Day of the Lord Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. This tells us that the Thessalonians had at that time already know when the “thief in the night” was coming. There was no need for Paul to tell them when he was coming. In others words, the whole letter tells us the events mentioned in the whole book was about to take place at that time. So I have a question. How can the following verses be interpreted to be events that have yet to happen until today? 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Jesus tells that in Luke that Satan fell like lightning. Luke 10:18 18 He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Do you know where your position is at this moment? Ephesians 1:20 20 which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, Seated in the heavenly realms. So you see you already have met him in the air. The word “in the air” means the heavenly realms. In fact it was where Satan dwelled. Ephesians 2:2 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. So you see the prince of the air got kicked out when you met Jesus in the air and when you took your seat in the heavenly realms. That happened in AD70. That’s why Paul said in Romans 16 at the time he was writing it: He will SOON crush Satan under YOUR feet. Since it has happened in AD70, He has crushed Satan under your feet. That’s who you are now. Seated with him. Forever.

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classicjukebox Many thanks

I appreciate your kind feedback. Thank you!

And it is still a cult :(

@@MRAGFT7 I've never heard it described as a cult before? What aspects make it a cult?

@@Tom-qo4mz to make it short: the insane amount of legalism. Even if a believing baptist comes in, he/she cannot partake in the Lord's supper nor talk or share anything from the pulpit or just simply pray. You have to adhere to the church first, then you can do all of that. Also, if as a man you are not in a suit then you're not allowed to partake in the Lord's supper nor ask for a song or even pray. In addition, women from church are not allowed to enter unless they have a head covering. I'm not making this up, I come from one, so I know what I'm talking about. And to me all that pretty much makes it into a cult, sadly.

@@MRAGFT7 damn, ty for the info! :/

@@MRAGFT7 That’s crazy, I didn’t know all that. I recently read the dispute and animosity that John Nelson Darby and Benjamin Wills Newton had in regard to their different Eschatologies. Basically, my understanding is Darby would excommunicate anyone who did not agree with his dispensationalism. I don’t think it was like that right away but it became like that in time. In other words, Darby’s dispensationalism became the factor as to whether or not someone was a brother in Christ to him. A lot of people do not know this venomous and disastrous character of Darby. This is how the open Brethren and Exclusive brethren were formed. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Kattackal Tomsan Thanks for the clarification!

Thanks for the correction!

Thanks for the clarification!

Daveyo747 Thanks!

***** Your most welcome, and I hope you continue to do more to educate us as we do need to know these things.

***** Thank you for the excellent lecture on John Darby. Take a look at the KZfaq video "Genesis of Dispensational Theology" when you get a chance.

I hope that's good!

Bruce Gore As long as you don't appear to someone in a vision with secret prophecies regarding the end times, I would say that's a good thing ha ha

Well, if I do show up with such prophecies, you have my permission to toss me out the nearest window. Thanks!

Bruce Gore Hahaha 😂

Acts 10:34 King James Version 34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons. There is neither jew nor Greek, completely fake theology!

+SaudaraLink Thanks for the feedback!

Thanks for posting these videos. They are very interesting.

1. Darby and Irving attended the same conference and influenced their views no matter what Macdonald said. Future conferences in Albury sponsored by Henry Drummond(Bank owner and investor for nobility) rounded out Irving's thoughts and through Henry's patronage and together with J. B. Cardale(Henry's lawyer) and half of Irving's congregation started the CAC. Drumond and Cardale were also the first Apostles called to the new order but it wasn't their intention to start a church...they merely wanted to perfect or improve Christianity. 2. Several splinters occurred first in 1863 by the Hamburg congregation that eventually went on to become the presently named New Apostolic Church(10 million members worldwide) and dozens of other splits that occurred in the 20 century with many still existing today.

@@tilbrons Can you provide a lot more information regarding the people involved in Darby etc and the Dispensation issue!

Precisely. GOD IS IMMUTABLE. Anyone who accepts the false gospel of Dispensationalism, believes God has changed.

Fohpono - That is such a ridiculous statement. Do you think God treated Abraham who was reckoned righteous by faith, to be the same as how Israel were treated by God under Law. God's promise to Abraham was unconditional, whereas the treatment from God towards Israel was totally conditional on their obedience to the Law. It is perfectly clear that, though God does not change and cannot change, that He however treats man according to the 'light' that he has from God. The very fact that Abraham knew God as the Almighty, and Israel knew God as Jehovah, shows that God treats men differently down the ages in different dispensations. In this dispensation which we now live in God has revealed Himself, through the Son, as 'Father'. Completely differently again from Israel.

@@Hebrew42Day I believe in different dispensations, but I do not believe that God has changed. However, God makes Himself known according to the light we have from Him. It is clear that you are still in the dark in regard to the teachings of the apostle Paul and the Lord Jesus Christ himself.

@@smeatonlighthouse4384 Very VERY well said, SL. Thank you for that!

God's principles have not changed. His program of Salvation has changed through time.

The rapture and the Second Coming are the same event.

@@samuelwilliams1559 Of course they aren't. The rapture is for the church and the 'heavenly' saints are caught up to meet the Lord in the air. The second coming is to the earth and is for the remnant of Israel who have believed in Jesus as their coming deliverer. The rapture is for the 'saints only' to see and know. The second coming will be seen by everyone. At the rapture those taken are saved and those left behind are for judgement. At the second coming those taken are lost and those who remain are the 'saved'. At the rapture the Lord comes himself for the dead in Christ and the living saints who are changed into bodies of glory like unto the Lord's body of glory. At the second coming those same, now glorified saints, come with Christ as His armies. At the rapture it is the Lord alone, at the second coming the angels are involved. Basically, there is no comparison between the two events, they are totally different and separate.

@@smeatonlighthouse4384 Incorrect. There are only two groups in the world. The Saved and the lost. The truth in Matthew 24 every eye shall see him. Jesus comes himself to get the church. You post what you believe. But no Bible verse backs you up. 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Jesus is our LORD.. He appears and everyone sees him. Read the whole chapter. Read about the wheat and the tares. Dispensationalism is new. The Secret pre tribulation rapture is news. I cannot find it in my Bible.

Smeaton Lighthouse ...lol

@@smeatonlighthouse4384 Christ has one body, and one bride and it is Israel. The Gentile and Jewish in Him, who are of the Faith, are Jews by Faith, sons of Abraham by faith and Israel by faith. Not all of Israel is of Israel.

Blues Man 63 - Mr. Joseph Smith probably wishes he had never been born now as well, as he will be in a lost eternity. As regards Mr. J. N. Darby, I believe he was one of the greatest expounders of Holy Scripture this world has seen since the days of the apostles. The exclusive brethren have disintegrated into a cult but the truth which God revealed to that beloved brother in Christ is something which God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ should be continually praised and worshiped for.

The establishing of the state of Israel in 1948 was a man-made event. It IS NOT the fulfilling of OT prophecy. Any notion of rebuilding a Jewish temple is contrary to the truth taught in the book of Hebrews. JESUS IS THE MEDIATOR OF THE COVENANT BETWEEN GOD AND HUMANITY. THE MOSAIC COVENANT HAS BEEN REPLACED BY THE COVENANT ESTABLISHED BY CHRIST.

Galatians 6: 15-16...the "church of Christ" is the true Israel of God! The Isrsel of 1948 is only Israel of the "flesh", which is a FALSE ISRAEL!

@@aquillafleetwood8180 No. The promises of God towards Israel are without ''repentance''. Just as sure as you are reading this comment, God will 'take up' and restore Israel to their land during the millennial reign.

@@smeatonlighthouse4384 Paul in 1 Thessalonians 2:14, 16 - For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST. 1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha. DO JEWS LOVE JESUS OR ARE THEY CURSED?

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@@GitFiddler I believe that the Bible teaches a pre-tribulation Rapture. The trumpets are one of the things that cause doubt, but hey are not the same series of trumpets. If prettib is incorrect, I have nothing to lose, because millions have looked for the Rapture in their own time, and died in faith. We ALWAYS have to be ready for accept that we may die for the testimony of the Lord. Jesus said that "in this world", we "SHALL have tribulation", but "be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world". The ones dying in faith includes the believers in Jesus who are killed in Matthew 24:9, a good 11 verses before verse 21, where Jesus described the time of "great tribulation", unlike any time ever was or ever will be, again. That corresponds to the time Jesus told us to pray that we be _"counted worthy"_ not to go through. I am comforted, when fellow believers quote, or I read 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, just as verse 18 says. We are "not appointed unto wrath": there's that. The Great Tribulation (Matthew's 24:21) includes the wrath of God, and we are not appointed unto wrath. Elements like the ruthless persecution of believers (ones who believe after the Rapture) are a continuation of the devil pouring out his wrath, since he knows his time is short..The believers being killed in Matthew 24:9, before 24:21, are experiencing the wrath of Satan. That has to include the ones dying in places like Nigeria or North Korea, now, because why would Jesus not mean them? There's little doubt that we will have to go through things like that in the western, "developed" world. So pretrib Rapture doesn't teach that we're without tribulation, only that we don't go through that extreme time, including God's wrath, in 24:21. I believe that the early Christians believed in the 1 Thessalonians 4 Rapture as the "blessed hope", as we do. That was before the takeover by Rome, when the practice of allegorizing virtually everything that was formerly interpreted literally took over. There are allegorical stories and figures in the Bible, but there is also that which is literal. Then, when the Reformation came along, and even more importantly, the availability of translated, printed, affordable Bibles, it meant that people could read the Bible on their own, and allegorical interpretation began to wane, to be toppled by Bible believers, and many suppressed doctrines began their journey back to being noticed, then widely believed. Post-trib was replaced for many by pre-trib, and the amillenialism of the Catholic church was replaced by belief in a literal millennial reign of Jesus on earth. For his work in recovering the doctrine of the Rapture, Darby has been lied about without conscience. Look up the article from the pretrib organization in England, available for free download at Berean Call. For instance, Darby is always said to have gotten pretrib Rapture from a girl prophetess in Scotland, but he did not believe her "prophecy" was from God when he heard her. And she did not teach pretrib Rapture in her prophecy, but a post trib one, after the Tribulation puts us through a trial that determines whether we make it to heaven or not! She said the Tribulation was "sent to try the saints". She didn't teach pretrib Rapture at all, but that didn't mean that the hatchet job filmmakers of "Good Fight ministries" didn't accuse Darby of getting what she didn't even teach, from her, as usual, which is peculiarly cynically lying for people supposedly dedicated to revealing the truth. So I continue to believe in pretrib Rapture, until I am clearly shown otherwise.

Spurgeon and his siding with Darwin

The Time of Trouble is not just any Trouble, it is God's Wrath being poured out on them that dwell on the earth. God has promised to those who trust in His Son that they will not suffer under the Wrath of God at any time. So, you're just plain wrong, and stupidly so. You need to read the Bible before you shoot your filthy ignorant mouth off and blaspheme the saints in heaven Revelation 4:4 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. Who are these guys in the white robes? Whence came they? I wonder what sort of drivel you can come up with.

@@jamesedwards.1069 Get lost with your John Darby religion! Saul/Paul was a murderer. There is no "rapture" out of suffering. Tell your garbage to the apostles who were tortured and murdered and all the saints who were persecuted for their faith. You blaspheme the Holy Spirit and pervert the bible.

@@elaine1034 Thanks for proving my point about you guys by blaspheming Paul the Apostle. You might as well finish by blaspheming all the saints in heaven.

+@@jamesedwards.1069 There were 2 Paul's. And how come you have 66 books in your bible instead of the original 73? You like that #6 ???

There are many good sources. One you might check is 'The Puritan Hope,' by Iain H. Murry, and the sources he cites in his bibliography. Thanks for your interest!

The word 'ortho-tomeo' means to cut straight, and from that to proceed by straight paths, hence to teach the truth correctly and directly (Thayer's Greek Lexicon, and any other commonly accepted lexical source ). The word has nothing to do with dividing one thing from another, in the sense that dispensationalism takes it. Thanks for the question.

@GoreBruce Thank-you for your reply. As well as being a dispensationalist I am also one of those who believe that the KJV is God's PERFECT word to us in English and see no benefit in referring to the original languages. That only confuses the issue. We all know what the English word "divide" means, and that is the word that the Holy Spirit chose to use in this instance. I see no reason to seek a meaning other than the plain English meaning of 'rightly dividing" and I found the Bible impossible to understand without taking a dispensational approach. I'm sure there would be many others who have had the same experience.

+Aloysius MacGlumpfer Thank you. You are quite correct.

This one is from KJV+ Luk 17:21 NeitherG3761 shall they say,G2046 LoG2400 here!G5602 or,G2228 loG2400 there!G1563 for,G1063 behold,G2400 theG3588 kingdomG932 of GodG2316 isG2076 withinG1787 you.G5216 G1787 ἐντός entos en-tos' From G1722; inside (adverb or noun): - within. This is from the ISV Luk 17:21 People won't be saying, 'Look! Here it is!' or 'There it is!' because now the kingdom of God is among you." Curtis Hazen is right in his understanding of this verse. Since the Holy Spirit could only abide within one person at a time until the feast of first fruits. (2Ki 2:9) And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me. (2Ki 2:10) And he said, Thou hast asked a hard thing: nevertheless, if thou see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be so. Francis Bacon once said, “Read not to believe and take for granted, nor to contradict and confute, but to weigh and consider.” "For what human affairs can seem important to a man who keeps all eternity before his eyes and knows the vastness of the universe?" - World Map, 1595

@@darmok-hm6jx you are just a liar.. the Koine word "ἐντός" very specifically means within as in "καρδία μου τετάρακται ἐντός μου" in Psalm 108:22 whichg means my heart is wounded WITHIN me or "my belly within me" in Isaiah 16:11 or "my heart within me" in Psalm 38:4. or "you blind pharisees first clean the INSIDE of the cup..." Matt 23:26

@@inTruthbyGrace Are you calling me a liar, while agreeing with Strong's [inside (adverb or noun): - within.]? I think you may have misread what I wrote. When an honest person discovers he is mistaken, he either ceases to be mistaken or cease being honest. -anom duckduckgo.com/?t=ffcm&q=%E1%BC%90%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%8C%CF%82&atb=v251-4&ia=web Sometimes academically very smart people often aren’t well blessed with common sense and are prone to severe tunnel vision. - Michael Schlueter

He was speaking to the wicked pharisees. Was the kingdom of God within them?

There were little hints of certain details of a dispensational outlook that date clear back to the second and third centuries. These were mostly attempts to retain some distinct redemptive status for ethnic Israel in spite of New Testament teaching on the point. Darby was the first to develop a comprehensive scheme predicated on the that presupposition.

The best biographical treatment of Joseph Smith remains "No Man Knows My History" (Fawn M. Brodie). www.amazon.com/No-Man-Knows-My-History/dp/0679730540/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473472294&sr=8-1&keywords=no+man+knows+my+history

Great book, I am an ex Mormn read it several times!

The only non-canonical documents dating to the first century are Clements letter to the church in Corinth, and possibly the Didache. Neither addresses eschatological issues. In the second century there were some who subscribed to a pre-millennial return of Christ (e.g., Justin Martyr), but pre-millennialism is not the same as Dispensationism. All Dispensationalists re pre-millennial, but not all pre-millennialists are Dispensationalists.

For me it's not like conflict isn't to be expected, that's human nature after all Now is any event of a dispute that which we call the flesh? Maybe, but I'd say that's probably not the meaning of the flesh according to epistles What I'm getting at is sometimes the sense of concern may be to expose weaknesses in some party, or maybe for another revelation, no complete awareness is ours after all as we're waiting for everything to be revealed And even there are many instructions throughout the bible warranting elders and brothers/sisters to express concern about practices and beliefs (I'm not saying that anybody knows/does the orthodoxy and orthopraxy that God would have us know/do) However when concern is there I don't think the concern has a clear direction always, maybe one or more needs to feel into with prayer and deliberation Nor do I think a person can certainly feel sure of where the problem lies anyway even after prayer and deliberation Like indeed we're to seek and find the kingdom, but that doesn't mean the answers we seek always expose themselves here while in time/bodies blighted with sin nature As for where the concern is coming from, it can be in the person they were initially concerned by, it can be in themselves after considerations (usually hard for most to accept this) , it can be in both parties, or a problem in the locality or a greater problem in the world, something of spiritual realms, etc. What really caused the concern? And what teachings (if any) are there to address that concern? These are questions and considerations an individual can keep in mind to have a healthier and spiritually fruitful relationship with concern, one that should be considered before opening their mouths and being conceited in such means Especially before thinking they have some agenda to rebuke somebody accompanied with the long list of refutations to recite as so many do I call it philosophical conservatism, that is it's better to assume there's always flaws in every thing you experience and think therefore you won't glorify anything unworthy of glory, and whatever you do right it's only a measure compared to God's immeasurability so let God qualify one's actions not man Man's best assumption is that he's wicked and only God can make good happen, it's sourced from Him not ourselves, I'm just a conduit worthy of no credit, and I've been relieved of any debt and so I freely serve and give to emulate my savior whom I will freely follow and cannot know hereafter any separation from Him I remember a long time ago before understanding these precepts how I failed to have even as much integration of these in my walk In my life my mother has become something of a new age proponent, years ago it was especially difficult to see her take such an identity/worldview on.. I was initially very concerned and thought I had every kind of advantage with our lord Jesus to make her know her folly Well it turns out that with even as much as I indeed have fairly-well figured out, and as many fruits of the Spirit I portray, it had no clear regards in her because none of these really can make any change in her I remembered that only Christ can reach her on His timing I also remembered that our nature is flawed even after knowing our savior, let seasons be seasons I've come to believe that individuals are progressively sanctified throughout one's repentance, study and practice, but as much as we're directed towards perfection I don't believe anybody's ever been so anointed (other than Jesus) that they've perfected anything let alone moral living I believe it's the false sense that one has perfected anything in this world that leads one into the flesh and thus satanic lifestyles proliferate It doesn't matter whether it's doctrines, practices or statuses, these thoughts that make them put themselves on high is the biggest problem I guess I am holding to the perspective that it's Progress-Over-Perfection in all matters and of all manners while in this world While eschatologically speaking, it's when we know the fullness of Christ's Zoē (the life of the Spirit) can be where the justification, complete sanctification and glorification can take place I guess what I'm speaking to is the two vessels, one vessel is where inspiration comes from Satan's taproot and even believers pull crap from there and what is being stored up will be repeated before God, this is like how Paul said he still fails daily The other vessel is when we're inSpired by the True and Holy God! And this stores up spiritual profit that multiplies Christ's blessings by many folds We want to at the furthest mitigate the former vessel and maximize our lives towards Christ's vessel, but it's clear to me that being too certain about anything is the slippery slope that makes conflict tend towards violations So therefore we strive! And we recognize our failures, and we never attribute more to our successes than who we know can do all things infinite I hope these words make up for something useful, I'm only trying to help others recognize the pitfalls before falling in where I and many others have collapsed into far too many times For anybody can be too certain of their interpretations and the teachings that twist the intended meaning of scriptures, for we've all mistakenly held to such things - Your Quality Apologist

Do you have a source for that?

@@GoreBruce I stand corrected, it was his family that was deep in the occult, and did seances. Final Day, by Richard D Wiles Pages 52-54, but Darby had close relationships to freemasonry and his closest friends and disciple was a spy for the Crown, Robert Anderson, a high ranking freemason.freemasonry.

@@GoreBruce and Scofield was a con artist out of prison for forgery, he would pretend he was a wealthy cotton plantation owner. He saw flashing dollar signs in Darby's theology and inserted them as notes in a bible, thus tricking evangelicals into believing it was the inspired word of God. Now seminary students everywhere quote the heresies of a con artist.

The Harpazo / Rapture is very Real and very True its just that the Pre Trib Rapture is a Fat Lie that goes against all that Jesus and Paul Taught the Church! No Man of God in Scripture Taught that Fat Pre Trib LIE!

@@RaptureofSaints Ok so you're saying a Blood bought Church is going to go through God's Wrath when he became flesh to shed his blood for those that would be bought by his blood so that they would not experience Eternal Wrath in hell . Makes a lot a sense ... So the "yo-yo" rapture must be the real deal when Christ comes at the end of the Tribulation to catch us up in the clouds just to land back on the ground soon after . Yeah ok.... It's called Jacobs trouble for a reason . Jacobs secondary name is Israel , you can translate it to 'Israels trouble. God's plan for The Church is different from the Jews and gentiles . God is a divider not a uniter . Read you're Bible and divide the word correctly comparing scripture with scripture and you will get correct doctrine . The Bible is it's best interpreter and does not need help from anyone to interpret . I'm sorry you are hopeless when it comes to this subject I pray that God would show you that this post trib doctrine is indeed false . Not your fault entirely but whoever are your mentors, and spiritual leaders need to reconsider how they study the Bible . God bless, shalom .

​@@giannidesir3643 Have you ever Studied the Greek Word that Paul used in 1 Thessalonians 5:9? If you have you would KNOW that Paul did NOT say the Greek Word THUMOS NOR Thlipsis but he actually chose to use the Greek Word "ORGE" a Specific Greek Word that Jesus also chose to use in extremely Specific places in Revelation! Jesus DECLARED in Revelation that the "ORGE" does NOT ever begin UNTIL sometime (AFTER) the Events are Seen in the Sun and moon and Stars which we all KNOW are only ever seen After the Tribulation has ended! Jesus made it Clear that the Day of "ORGE" does NOT begin UNTIL all of the Armies are Gathered at Armageddon! Jesus made it 100% Clear that He is PRESENT so as to Trample the Wine Press of His "ORGE" The TRUTH is that No believer of any Kind is appointed to "ORGE" because we will all Partake in the FIRST RESURRECTION and we will be Raptured to Meet Him on that day when Satan is Bound and Jesus destroys that Man of Sin and Begins to Trample the Wine Press of His "ORGE" against ALL that are Gathered against Jesus! None of them will be able to stand on that day BUT we will be WITH Jesus in IMMORTAL Bodies! Thats the TRUTH about the "ORGE" The Pre Tribbers are the Ones saying that Tribulation saints ARE appointed to Wrath, thats a LIE! No BELIEVER is appointed to "ORGE" as we will all Partake in the FIRST RESURRECTION before the "ORGE" begins! The 7 Bowls of THUMOS are NOT the "ORGE"! It is YOU that is WRONG not Jesus and Paul! GO and STUDY Scripture before you Promote a Pre Trib LIE!

@@giannidesir3643 GO and DO a Study for Two Weeks on the Greek Word "ORGE" and then when you know what you are talking about then we can Discuss the Pre Trib LIE that goes against ALL that Jesus and Gabriel and Paul Prophesied!

@@RaptureofSaints those three Greek words are all nouns and other than being masculine and feminine they mean the same thing. You know what The Kingdom Gospel is?

Sean Moore The Trinity is the greatest and most powerful heresy ever imposed upon the truth.

The Bible clearly states that 1) the Father is God, 2) Jesus is God, and 3) the Holy Spirit is God. The word "Trinity" is just an explanation of what we find in scripture. I would recommend praying and considering the following: 1) John 20:28 - Thomas calls Jesus "God" and isn't rebuked, John 1:1 - states that the Word (Jesus) IS God, and Isaiah 43:10 - there is only one God. There are countless other scriptures, but there's no other way it can make sense. 2) 1 Corinthians 2:10-12 - If the Son of God is equally eternal with the Father, as John 1:1-3 makes clear that he is, then so is the Holy Spirit equally eternal with them both, because, according to Romans 8:9-11, the Spirit of Christ is one and the same with the Spirit of God. 3) Matthew 28:19 - notice the singular use of the word "name" instead of using "names".

Why should anyone believe what the Bible says?

I believe it because it is the living word of our Creator. What causes you not to believe it?

Replacement Theology - that the Church is the "New Israel" is the biggest error

Thanks for the feedback. As I mention in the presentation, the degree to which J.N. Darby relied on MacDonald's vision has been a matter of controversy. The contributor to the Wiki article certainly represents a competent apologist for dispensational eschatology. To me, the weightier question is not the degree to which Darby relied on Margaret MacDonald, but the degree to which he relied on the Bible for his views. That, of course, remains highly doubtful.

Sorry. Haven't taken on that part of 20th century Christian history.

they were not around when the Rapture catching up was taught in the 3rd 4th centuries.

​@@JordanWallace-nb4id can you please give evidence of it?

​@@JordanWallace-nb4id ...evidence that the rupture was tought in those centuries

+Karl Wagner Thanks very much for the clarification!

I feel bad for people like yourself. I have to wonder are Pastors lying or ignorant? It's a lie that Darby "invented" Dispensational Premillennialism. Sure Christians have gotten dates and ideas wrong like the Left Behind series but we have AMPLE, like a lot of commentaries from the early Christians showing they were dispensational premilleninnialists. I saw some of these texts 30 years ago as I have books from 1995 that show early Christian doctrine. Yet 30 years later I see YT videos where Pastors and teachers continually claim it's a "new' doctrine invented by Darby and Scofield. We can debate whether it's an accurate view in the context of Scripture but I wish Pastors and teachers would stop saying it's a new idea because it's a lie. Proof of Premillennialism in the early Church. Barnabas, AD First Century “Therefore, children, in six days, or in six thousand years, all the prophecies will be fulfilled. Then it says, ‘He rested on the seventh day.’ This signifies at the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus, He will destroy the Antichrist, judge the ungodly, and change the sun, moon, and stars. Then He will truly rest during the Millennial reign, which is the seventh day.” Epistle of Barnabas 15:7-9 Commodianus, AD 240 “We will be immortal when the six thousand years are completed.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 35 “Resurrection of the body will be when six thousand years are completed, and after the one thousand years, the world will come to an end.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 80 Victorinus, AD 240 “Satan will be bound until the thousand years are finished; that is, after the sixth day.” Commentary on Revelation 20.1-3 Methodius, AD 290 “In the seventh millennium we will be immortal and truly celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.” Ten Virgins 9.1 Even Judaism teaches Premillennialism. www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/607585/jewish/Significance-of-the-year-6000.htm "The Talmud tells us that this world, as we know it, will last for six thousand years, with the seventh millennium ushering in the cosmic Shabbat, the Messianic Era. Six days a week we work, and on the Shabbat we rest and enjoy the fruits of our labor; the same is true with millenniums. However, it is certainly possible for Moshiach to come earlier. And we believe, hope, and pray each day that this is the day when Moshiach will come... So yes, we don't know exactly when Moshiach will come, but we do know that it will be before the year 6000.” We also have a lot of writings showing the early Christians were "dispensationalist's” First, we need to understand the lineage of disciples Apostle John taught Polycarp. Polycarp taught Irenaeus, and it is said that Irenaeus even met John a few times. Irenaeus taught Hippolytus. Irenaeus (about 180 AD) who wrote his 5 volume works called “Against Heresies” who was a disciple of Polycarp who was a disciple of the Apostle John. “In 2 Thessalonians, the ‘falling away’ is an apostasy and there will be a literal rebuilt temple. In Matthew, the ‘abomination spoken by Daniel’ is the Antichrist sitting in the temple as if he were Christ. The abomination will start in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week and last for a literal three years and six months. The little horn is the Antichrist. Against Heresies 5.25 Ephrem 306-373 AD in his writings called "The End Times" Before the time of abomination (which Irenaeus says is in the middle of the 7 years; after 3 years and 6 months). of his desolation having been made legal, he takes the empire, and, just as it is said in the Psalm: “They have been made for the undertaking for the sons of Lot” Psalm 83:8 The Moabites and the Ammonites shall meet him first as their king. Therefore, when he receives the kingdom, he orders the temple of God to be rebuilt for himself, which is in Jerusalem, who coming into it, he shall sit as God and order that he be adored by all nations, since he is carnal, filthy, and mixed with worthless spirit and flesh…Because the very wicked serpent shall direct every worship to himself. Because he shall put forth an edict so that people may be circumcised according to the rite of the old law. The Jews shall congratulate him, because he gave them again he practice of the first covenant; then all people from everywhere shall flock together to him at the city of Jerusalem and the holy city shall be trampled on by the nations for forty-two months just as the holy apostle says in the Apocalypse, which become three and a half years, 1,260 days. Hippolytus (170-235 AD) wrote a 67 section/ chapter writing called "The Antichrist - a Treatise on Christ and Antichrist" "Now we must consider the question at hand, letting the previous introduction suffice. We must find out what the Holy Scriptures teach about: the occasion and time of the coming of Antichrist what tribe he comes from what his name is (from the number 666 in Scripture) how he shall work error among the people, gathering them from the ends of the earth his tribulation and persecution against the saints how he glorifies himself as God. What his end shall be the Lord’s sudden appearing revealed from heaven the conflagration of the whole world the glorious and heavenly kingdom of the saints when they reign together with Christ the punishment of the wicked by fire." Section 5-Prophecy introduction. continued in his writing… "Now Daniel will set forth this subject to us. For he says, “And one week will make a covenant with many, and it shall be that in the midst of the week my sacrifice and oblation shall cease.” Daniel 9:27 By one week, therefore, he meant the last week which is to be at the end of the whole world, of which week the two prophets Enoch and Elias will take up the half. For they will preach 1,260 days clothed in sackcloth, proclaiming repentance to the people and to all the nations." ...For John says, “And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.” Revelation 11:3 That is the half of the week that Daniel spoke about. “These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks standing before the Lord of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire will proceed out of their mouth, and devour their enemies; and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy; and have power over waters, to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues as often as they will.” Revelation 11:4-6 And when they shall have finished their course and their testimony, what does the prophet say? “the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them,” Revelation 11:7 because they will not give glory to Antichrist. For this is meant by the little horn that grows up. He, being now elated in heart, begins to exalt himself, and to glorify himself as God, persecuting the saints and blaspheming Christ, even as Daniel says, “I considered the horns, and, behold, in the horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things; and he opened his mouth to blaspheme God. And that born made war against the saints, and prevailed against them until the beast was slain, and perished, and his body was given to be burned.” Daniel 7:8 This is like 1 section of Hippolytus's 67 sections in this commentary. Early Church Father's wrote entire books on this topic and so it's frustrating and sad to see the utter disgust and dismissal of a very foundational doctrine of the Disciples of the Apostles. For whatever reason many Christians continue to claim Darby invented this doctrine. Sure he had ideas about it but as you can clearly see the doctrine wasn't his idea. What people on every side of this topic Post, Pre, A mill all agree on is that however you understand Eschatology greatly impacts your understanding of the rest of Scripture since 1/3 of Scripture is dedicated to the topic, and 150+ chapters mention the 2nd Coming as a specific event. That might be a problem for the remaining 2/3 of Scripture. It's so very sad that you never learned that although the modern-day understanding about events and timing might have been wrong that it's based on many commentaries written by early Christian church fathers on the topic. Let me leave you with a simple thought. Throughout biblical history, the enemy has tried to destroy the Jewish people, the enemy used people to massacre babies, yet today many Christians don't see that same effort with Israel and the Jewish people. That somehow things changed. Even though Romans 11 debunks the idea of Replacement theology. On OCT 7 we saw evil massacre babies and women. They were targeted and singled out. Why? Because babies grow up to have babies and women bear children. The attack was one of genocide. The Enemy knows his goal has never changed wipe out the Jewish people and Israel and GOD is no longer GOD. The LORD has promised to protect His people. If Israel is destroyed GOD is not GOD. There are unfulfilled promises yet to be completed Ezekiel 37:21-23, Jeremiah 24:3-8, Daniel 9:24, Romans 11:27, etc. Don't let blindness keep you from seeing the truth. Take care.

Deb Delves Thank you.

It is part of a playlist called Apocalypse in Space and Time available on Bruce Gore's channel. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qLqhq6aF2pizmoE.html

Thank you. Please provide specific citations.

I believe he's talking about the convenants God makes with Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, and lastly Christ establishing the Apostolic Church. It mirrors the human microcosms of family, tribe, race, nation, and finally all humanity.

dispensation means to give something, not a period of time. Moses was given or dispensed Law Christ gave us or dispensed GRACE.

It appears that three people replied to your comment, but the replies won't be displayed to let me read them. But belief in dispensationalism and the rapture before Darby is what I'm looking for. I wish you could direct me in my search.

@@ChaplainBobWalkerBTh to dispense to certain people.

Modern Brethren differ a bit among themselves, so no simple answer can be given. Frankly, the view that the Gospels, including the Sermon on the Mount, are to be viewed as applicable to the 'kingdom,' and not to Christian believers today is intuitively preposterous to most sober minded believers.

@@GoreBruce I absolutely agree!! Thanks for responding. I really appreciate it