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@gbottesini8 ай бұрын
I'm sorry, who exactly didn't realize that Ozymandias won?
@thechosen33328 ай бұрын
Only people who had never seen the movie.
@z_zenith8 ай бұрын
Same with Big Hero 6 Callahan
@BR107438 ай бұрын
Idiots. Idiots didn't realize Ozymandias won
@Darxide238 ай бұрын
Nobody. They always throw an obvious or controversial one into these lists to get people to rage in the comments because it boosts engagement and that makes the algorithm gods happy.
@antihero82658 ай бұрын
You had me at “I did it 35min ago.”
@kingjamos24228 ай бұрын
The only people who didn't know that Ozymandias won were the people who didn't watch the movie. His victory is pretty well known. He literally won 35 minutes before he explained his plan to the protagonists and went out of his way to tell them just that. Everything he set out to do happened and everybody knew this.
@InfectiousGroovePodcast8 ай бұрын
I came here to leave the same comment.
@chrismatteson13128 ай бұрын
The movie does kind of imply that Rorschach left behind contingencies to make sure Ozy didn’t get away with it. Meaning Ozy wouldn’t have won. This video details how unlikely it is that Rorschach’s plans would lead to very much. That said, I was on the same page as y’all.
@daniellewis41548 ай бұрын
Actually, the true winner of watchmen is ambiguous. Before veidt did what he did, Rorschach sent a journal revealing Veidts actions to a news press. The ending shows someone looking into a stash containing the journal for new info for the paper but it is not known whether the journal got published or not.
@brennanhearn63428 ай бұрын
Same wavelength, bud. As others, I came to leave the exact same comment.
@alanepithet29318 ай бұрын
@@daniellewis4154 Additionally, Rorschach's journal is detailed. It's not just deranged ramblings or wild finger-pointing. It's a complete write-up of everything that happened from the start of his investigation (since it's quite literally the narration of the comic/movie). It's so thorough that any 2-bit detective could follow the clues and figure out everything the same as Rorschach did. Ozymandias might have won in the short term, but how long that lasts is very much up in the air.
@alexhaladay43458 ай бұрын
Oh, and the killer in Se7en. He totally won
@justinhall34698 ай бұрын
That would have been a good addition
@chrismatteson13128 ай бұрын
I feel like it was fairly clear that the killer won.
@Aldragon8 ай бұрын
@@justinhall3469no it wouldn’t have lol the video is movie villains you DIDN’T know had won. The whole point of Se7en’s ending is that he won, same for Watchmen but they put it on here anyways for some dumb reason.
@4Astaroth8 ай бұрын
I can't agree that the villain in Se7en won. He killed an unborn child that was bearing no sin. So he made a mistake when he killed the detectives wife. And he only did this to piss off the detective, nothing else. He made his own killing series pointless.
@chrismatteson13128 ай бұрын
@@4Astaroth You’re misinterpreting the movie and his plan. He’s completed Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Lust, and Pride before he is arrested. John Doe kills Mill’s wife and child out of Envy. Mills’ kills Doe, completing Wrath. The person committing the sin does not need to die. But there’s a killing for each sin. Killing an extra person does not invalidate his successful plan, as they both died for Envy. John Doe got everything he wanted.
@JustAnotherNomad927 ай бұрын
Strange to see no one came to say that Snow did not trick Katniss. In the book Primrose dies in an explosion designed by Gale, which was meant as a trap for Capital soldiers, but was bastardized by the Rebel leader to kill their own forces to gain sympathy for the rebels by pinning it on Snow. Katniss knows this because Gale had previously demonstrated the bombs to her. The "talk" is Snow letting Katniss know that the new leaders are the same. Katniss takes revenge on her sister and shows both sides that she knows what is right and wrong, rejecting the current leader of the Rebels and cementing herself as non choice for leading. She is left alive as she has gained to much fame and is pretty much untouchable. However, exiled she is left as a reminder to Panam if things go corrupt again she is there to set things right, so in a way, while she is racked with survives guilt and PTSD, Katniss own existence is the biggest deterrent and best victory. TL:DR Katniss won her own way, playing by her own rules.
@elaine_of_shalott65877 ай бұрын
And Snow's primary goal wasn't about Coin and Katniss it was about the permanent supression of the districts to preserve the wealth and privilege of the Capitol.
@michaelcullison66896 ай бұрын
This exactly. Coin had no plans to relinquish the presidency for the official election as was supposed to happen. Coin would have just become another Snow and the cycle would have began anew. And Katniss realized that she was the only one that could stop the cycle
@Rotebearda6 ай бұрын
A poetic end to an honorable person forced by government officials to commit war crimes and propaganda campaigns.
@definitelynotanAIchatbot6 ай бұрын
Snow won. A true gigachad. 😎
@MaliYojez6 ай бұрын
What happens in the book does not happen in the film. It's not the same story. Snow was likely telling the truth, but it's not certain. Did he fooled her? We don't know for sure. Either way, Snow was the one who persuaded Katniss to kill the rebel leader, his final power play. He was the one who put revenge into her heart, he was the one who opened her eyes to what Coin would become.
@Rheubie8 ай бұрын
Except Azog didn't end the line of Durin, just Thorin's, who apparently never had children anyway. In fact one of Dain Ironfoot's children became King Under the Mountain after him, and eventually became an ancestor of Durin VII. Also GIMLI was of the male bloodline of Durin. C'mon, now.
@ZergS4uc37 ай бұрын
They ignored alot to put that bad movie on the list
@edschramm67577 ай бұрын
I'd been of the impression Azzog's thing was ending Thorrin's bloodline, not durin's. In the aftermath of Thorrin beating him in a fight. If that is the case, then Azzog did actually complete his objective. But I don't really feel like doing the rewatching necessary to actually know for sure what Azzog's exact vendetta statement was
@Rheubie7 ай бұрын
@@edschramm6757Two things: Azog. One 'z'. Also, they actually say, in the video above, at 1:35, "Orc war chief Azog the Defiler's plan was to wipe out the male bloodline of Durin by killing Thorin Oakenshield and his nephews Fili and Kili." I was simply pointing out that, while he did kill those three, it wouldn't (and didn't) wipe out the male line of Durin. But I'm sure we all appreciate you adding nothing but your own misinfo to the conversation. Cheers.
@edschramm67577 ай бұрын
@@Rheubie they do state that in the video, but I'm not sure how accurate their statement within the video was is my thing. It's possible they got it right, but there have been instances before where stuff in videos doesn't hold up flawlessly when looked at closely. If I'm wrong, fine, but their accuracy in the past has left something to be desired. Though come to think of it, it explains why he attacked the dwarves in the flashback, beyond "we want that place".
@MK-il5vc7 ай бұрын
@edschramm6757 in reality it's just a personal vendetta against thorin. He doesn't care at all about fili and kili and it's not like he has time to realize and celebrate his "success," so that's already weird to put on the list. Not to mention, there are a hundred comments about the other films and how they shouldn't be on the list either.
@jaredwonnacott97327 ай бұрын
I'm always shocked that Maleficent isn't on lists like this. She wants to hurt the king and queen, and she manages to force them into missing their daughter's entire childhood. By the time she returns, she's in love and off to be married. She technically knows they are her parents, but she'll almost certainly never have a normal parent child relationship with them. She destroyed that family for years, and though they might have a future, it will forever be marred by the taint of that time apart. She didn't care about killing Aurora, she cared about the King and Queen suffering emotionally. She 100% got that for at least 16 years, and likely many years to come.
@davidjones2728 ай бұрын
Azog doesn't wipe out the line of Durin in the Hobbit film. Dain is Thorin's cousin and is also of the line of Durin, several others in the party like Balin are also (more distantly) related to him, and of that line as well.
@greenmountainpokemon21128 ай бұрын
Well to fair the film doesn't follow the lore, as Azog died on the steps of Moria and his son carried on. Dain is the one who killed him there
@thearnorianruby46818 ай бұрын
Gimli too.
@aidangriffiths50758 ай бұрын
Yes but not the direct descendants in line to take the throne
@shawnhoffman38378 ай бұрын
Narrators logic, sent to kill multiple dwarves in a bloodline only kills one. Villain win? Durp durp 🦭
@shawnhoffman38378 ай бұрын
@aidangriffiths5075 wrong! Females can be direct descendants. The dwarves recognize that true, the orcs recognized that as true, and especially author did. So kinda makes you a fake fan!
@ArcherSuh47218 ай бұрын
With the exception of Freddy's Dead, didn't Freddy Krueger win at the end of every movie in the original Nightmare on Elm Street series? He's momentarily defeated but then there's always the last scene jump-scare where it turns out he's still invading dreams and killing people.
@ceeceeb50757 ай бұрын
One of the reasons why I always preferred Friday the 13th's Jason over Freddy growing up. At least that series had final girls. With Freddy there was no hope.
@markmckenzie53437 ай бұрын
I always felt the instructor won in Whiplash and didn't realize people thought otherwise. The film established how the drummer was at his best when under pressure and not knowing the music or customs. The plot to get him on a stage with an unfamiliar song was sheer brilliance to force him into his best work. It might not have been right, but he played him well.
@alfonsstekebrugge80496 ай бұрын
It is and it is such a core part of the plot it is ridiculous to think that people 'didn't realize'. It is also quite a common plot in movies that show a teacher and a student, where the lesson to be learned in the end is for the student to somehow defeat the master.
@ta_nya52408 ай бұрын
Who doesn't understand that Ozzymandias fullfilled his quest successfully? That one is quite a bit of a stretch, as far as the topic goes. And when there are some other good examples out there. For example, what about Helmut Zemo from Avengers: Civil War? He gets arrested in the end and faces life in prison, so all's well that ends well, but his goal was to break down the Avengers - which he absolutely did.
@TaleNodati7 ай бұрын
Not a stretch just blatantly wrong and probably only included for the thumbnail.
@Ironcabbit8 ай бұрын
The Joker ultimately won when Two-Face went on his rampage in The Dark Knight and was further proven correct by the actions of Gotham’s citizens while under Bane’s occupation in The Dark Knight Rises.
@whosaidthat847 ай бұрын
No, he didn't win. His ultimate goal was to plunge Gotham into chaos which didn't happen. The people on the boats refused to kill each other too, preventing themselves from becoming murderers. Batman took the blame so Gotham could retain hope, which is what Joker didn't want. He didn't win.
@SamADTR7 ай бұрын
@@whosaidthat84 Joker absolutely won. He proved to Batman that the White Knight of Gotham was corruptible, even if Batman wasn't. The fact the people on the boat didn't kill each other is meaningless with this greater victory in mind. It's a pretty old concept in terms of Batman comics, read The Killing Joke. Joker simply wants to show everyone that they're one bad day away from being him, which is exactly what he achieved with Harvey. He tells Batman that he brought Harvey down to their level and literally has the last laugh. Batman taking the blame doesn't nullify that victory, in fact it's the opposite.
@whosaidthat847 ай бұрын
@@SamADTR meaningless? Bro, i get you're a Joker fan but that boat incident is a huge L for Joker. The greater victory is that Gotham still has hope. Gotham still believes. They didn't descend into chaos. Even when Gordon says "Then Joker has won," Bruce cuts him off and says "No, I killed those people." How did Joker win? He brought Harvey down but he's just one person, which we all knew was gonna happen because we all know who Two Face is. Even in Rises, the Dent Act brought peace to Gotham which meant they didn't need Batman for 8 years. So how did Joker win?
@SamADTR7 ай бұрын
@@whosaidthat84 you think the necessity for the cover up doesn’t automatically imply Joker’s victory? They might have gotten 8 years of peace from it but he still won. He corrupted the seemingly incorruptible. He got all of the criminals out of prison through that process. He won. The boat was a loss for coincidental, plot armour reasons but he literally has the last laugh as he tells Batman it doesn’t even matter because he brought Gotham’s white knight down to their level. “Did you really think I would gamble the battle for Gotham’s soul in a fist fight with you?”
@whosaidthat847 ай бұрын
@@SamADTR the lie was about Batman's sacrifice. And yes, 8 years peace nullifies any victory he may have had. Gotham never became a cesspool of chaos. Isn't that what Joker wanted all along?
@williamcater62718 ай бұрын
Sorry, about Durin's bloodline! Thorin, son of Thrain, son of Thrór were the ruling line. Thrór's brother was Grór (Thorin great uncle) and his line were all descended from Durin to! Even Gimili was a bloodline descendant!
@redjoker3658 ай бұрын
Wiping out Durin's bloodline would be like wiping out the O'Brien bloodline in Ireland. Kinda too late for that one
@liahfox58408 ай бұрын
@@redjoker365 Is that name Scottish too? I think that was my Grandma's maiden last name.
@sjonnieplayfull58597 ай бұрын
@@liahfox5840you see how far they have spread
@liahfox58407 ай бұрын
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 🤣
@marckempe21438 ай бұрын
Why were people under the impression that Rorschach’s journal would have doomed the world to nuclear Armageddon? The only thing that Rorschach knew at the point when he dropped the journal into the drop box of the tabloid was that Ozymandias was responsible for the death of The Comedian, the cancer of the people who worked under him and other incidents that led to Rorschach’s arrest. He didn’t know the full extent of Veidt’s plan until he explained it to him 35 minutes after he activated his device. No one would have been able to trace it back to Veidt, given his intelligence he didn’t leave enough of a trail to follow.
@nationalsocialism35048 ай бұрын
Rorschach would have easily speculated... nobody says that nuclear superpowers are going to immediately start WWIII but that the false peace would collapse without the unifying threat sublimating competing interests. So the plan DID fail as the return to the Status Quo would be the end result instead of a worldwide unification.
@blitzthecrimson32077 ай бұрын
technically, it kind of did. In the dc comics its explained that when rorsach's journal got published, it made people realize what happened, and anarchy reigned, with nukes flying all over the world
@marckempe21437 ай бұрын
@@blitzthecrimson3207 How!? Rorschach’s journal only covers up to the point that they’re about to go to Antarctica. It says nothing about the complete extent of Veidt’s plan or how much destruction he causes and Dr. Manhattan kills Rorschach before he can even tell anyone else. Also, Ewan from What Culture stated it, Rorschach put his journal in the drop box of a tabloid, which is only in the business of selling interesting stories to the public, whether they’re true or not is irrelevant to them.
@web_psycho67227 ай бұрын
in the comic ending, it ends in nuclear armageddon
@1retiredknight7 ай бұрын
Escaping prosecution isn't winning. The stated plan to bring humanity together by faking an existential threat was never going to actually work.
@moretea5128 ай бұрын
To be fair, Khan saved Earth. He created a situation that caused Kirk to be away from Earth when the probe arrived and neutralized Starfleet.
@Jfriedman4208 ай бұрын
Wouldn't have been the klingons who saved earth by crippling the enterprise and causing its self destruction?
@moretea5128 ай бұрын
@@Jfriedman420 Except Khan created the conditions that put the Klingons there in the first place.
@nrais768 ай бұрын
True. Khan drove the plot of Star Trek II, III, IV, and VI.
@ZergS4uc37 ай бұрын
@@nrais76shit you could say he drove the entire plot of star trek when his war on earth resulted in a new stone age leading to first contact, meanwhile the borg make the rest of the events happen, in the end its only two entities that push the entire narrative
@scottperry73117 ай бұрын
An unintentional consequence of Khans lust to kill Kirk. Khan did not save Earth, but you could say that he helped keep Kirk in play to save earth, but then again maybe Kirk would have been on some other adventure, some other mission or some other event would have kept Kirk away from Earth when the probe initially arrived. Saying Khan saved earth is like saying Star Fleet saved earth because it promoted Kirk, or allowed him to be on the Enterprise for a training mission, which is actually more of the reason why Kirk actually was in the position he was in with Khan to eventually save Earth.
@DMBLaan8 ай бұрын
I'd argue Watchmen for the Number 1 Spot, as since he did his plan half an hour before the heroes even showed up, there was no real way to stop him.
@-redacted_by_youtube8 ай бұрын
They're implying the audience doesnt know the villian won. 99% of the audience knew he won before the charectors. So it shouldnt be on this list at all.
@AnimeLover0697 ай бұрын
I loved that part. Most villains tell their evil plan and the heros have the time to stop it, but he actually already set it in motion and then was just, playing around. By the time they realized it was too late. And the journal would only have his doubts and info, not the final facts. And indeed, who would believe his ravings vs a known and respected hero turned clean businessman?
@TaliaIGhul8 ай бұрын
Hmm you're right about Freddy Krueger. He did achieve his goal, the complete eradication of the children of the people who banded together and killed him when the courts failed to punish Freddy due to a legal technicality.
@HectorDeJesus8 ай бұрын
I completely forgot that Nancy died in part 3. SMH
@nucularmechanic96238 ай бұрын
Callahan did not show regret for Tadashi. His response when confronted on the matter was that it was Tadashi’s fault he went into the fire. Also, it’s a stretch to say he rescued his daughter. He had given up on ever finding her.
@shareefhaddad23778 ай бұрын
It was an interesting case of good guys and bad guy both winning. As soon as his daughter was saved, Callahan lost all reason to be evil.
@DarkFr3ak1018 ай бұрын
The same can be said about the people who killed his daughter
@AustynSN8 ай бұрын
Though I've not watched it myself, I've heard that in the series, he does show some regret for his actions when Hiro has to visit him in prison.
@djwilson19938 ай бұрын
As meme-ified by Schaffrillas, “THAT WAS HIS MISTAKE”
@insanehiker55878 ай бұрын
@@shareefhaddad2377As soon as he realizes that his daughter was still alive he lost all reason to be evil.
@user-jj4pm2wr6o8 ай бұрын
A big one for me is captain America civil war, zemo did go to jail yes and no average died but he still did real damage. He sparked a conflict between them all that created real lasting damage that it took them years to get past. Also more than that it he saw to it that the avengers knew who his family were and felt really regret for what had happened.
@roax2068 ай бұрын
Though given the implications of the movie, personally, I don't think he was the main villain of the movie (or even politically Russian, for that matter). You had a person able to suspiciously easily manipulate UN officials, able to turn the public against a private organisation that was previously gaining more financial and political backing than the USA itself, creating conflict in the group itself. Eliminate the leader of a nation, stockpiling the most durable substance on earth leaving everthing to someone much younger. Ultimately, the Avengers gave up their independence to the state, and all he got was seeing Cap and Ironman fighting.
@user-jj4pm2wr6o7 ай бұрын
@@roax206 that's an interesting way of looking at it there, I don't know if I agree but I do think you have a point
@vicmo258 ай бұрын
How could you forget Thanos? Technically, he won....it took the Avengers having to travel thru time to reverse everything he did, but he accomplished what he set out to do and won when you think about it.
@sjonnieplayfull58597 ай бұрын
Thanos was narrow-minded. 50% of a population is solved in a generation. 75% doubles the efficiency at half the extra cost Changing fertility rates would have been the true answer
@vicmo257 ай бұрын
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 what are u talking about? I'm not here arguing whether his goal was correct or flawed, that's a whole other topic. All I stated is that he succeeded in his goal of reducing the population of the universe in half.
@sjonnieplayfull58597 ай бұрын
@@vicmo25 I'm not arguing about that either, just adding my two cents Did not watch the movie, but from what I got, his goal was reducing the overpopulation and exhaustion of natural resources throughout the galaxy. Reducing all populations by half was the means by which he wanted to achieve it But like I said, I did not watch it yet, so I could be wrong here
@anhhy54867 ай бұрын
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 His OG goal is killing half the galaxy to flirt with "Death" so...i think that other reason is good enough lol
@yoobro95797 ай бұрын
Its pretty dumb of thanos if the natural resource being exhausted is his reason for wiping the population to half. Cause if so why not just make the resources regenerate or something to that degree. But killing people just to control the consumption of resources is really idiotic cause in time those same resources will still be exhausted.
@ThaKenMan8 ай бұрын
The Underminer from the Incredibles 2 won. He went to rob the bank and he got away with the money. He wasn’t the main villain but a win is a win.
@thoso19736 ай бұрын
Keyzer Soze walking out of the police station in The Usual Suspects, is one of the greatest of all time.
@joenesvick70438 ай бұрын
Kevin Spacey's character in Se7en, he got what he wanted, "what's in the box what's in the box!" I actually like The Hobbit movies, I watch the extended editions before Lord of the Rings extended editions and tend to wonder if the haters are even judging the extended editions or only the theatrical versions Anyone that lives on Elm Street should just move, or at least nap Elsweyr, problem solved lol 😝 Many fans consider Khan Star Trek's biggest villian, appearing in Space Seed & Wrath of Khan, but the true biggest villains are NBC as that bit on SNL with John Belushi would tell you 😁
@frednone8 ай бұрын
The Hobbit films were okay, in fact if they weren't called 'The Hobbit' and used Tolkien Characters I would say they were excellent. The problem is that the book was short enough it should have been only one movie, or at most two, the padding is what raises ire.
@joenesvick70438 ай бұрын
I guess only fans of the book hate the movie, but what of the average movie goer that didn't read the book 🤔
@KasumiRINA8 ай бұрын
@@frednone I actually read Hobbit before LoTR, and found the book lacking... reading it as a kid, it had far less action and epic battles even for a children's story (compare to something like Narnia or Arthurian legends, even the Oz stories). But the movie trilogy was just one big fanservice for me! LOVED THEM! Also, understand that Baldur's Gate or Dragon Age-sized epicness NEVER GETS THE BUDGET ON THE BIG SCREEN. So the reality is if it wasn't called Hobbit, it just wouldn't exist. Fantasy doesn't get big bucks, only Peter Jackson did. They can't even adapt most of Discworld!.. Any epic fantasy ends up being either videogame-based-trash, schlocky B-movies, or Tolkien.
@ydnamac8 ай бұрын
I can't remember if you featured Silva from "Skyfall" but he certainly deserves to be on the list! He wanted M to "pay for her sins" and since Judi Dench's portrayal was killed off, that means he ultimately won! Also, until the "Home Al007ne" scene at the end, he was pretty much one step ahead of everybody at MI6!
@radientproductions97998 ай бұрын
nailed it. One of the best Bond villains ever , best one from the Daniel Craig era
@Leonson17 ай бұрын
His plan required him to be captured and for some of the best spies in the world to be so stupid as to plug a computer into an open network.
@bjam277 ай бұрын
And for the same actor, Anton Chigur (something) definitely win at the end of no country for old men.
@MultiStor18 ай бұрын
In the King movie, he even causes more deaths after the sound is turn off by suicide & even more murder. For example, the woman who stopped b4 killing her baby, means that there are parents, grandparents, babysitters, aunts/uncles, caretakers, etc who murdered a lot of kids & because of the guilt they committed suicide or even some go crazy & go on a murder spree. This even applies to ones who didn't kill kids, they commit suicide or go on a murder spree because they awaken to actually liking it, which brings the global population down even more.
@ModernClassic8 ай бұрын
I don't think we were even meant to think that Khan didn't cause a huge mess even in defeat. One of the things that makes Wrath of Khan great is that it really shows the lasting effects of battle; events in that movie carried over and affected all subsequent films in a way that no other ST film did. And even within the film, you see the tragedy of war, what with stuff like Scott's nephew being killed. The whole point of the movie is that Kirk *barely* won - and he did win, because Khan surely did want to kill Kirk *after* hurting him. But Kirk won at a huge cost, and a lot of that cost was due to his own mistakes.
@mullerpotgieter7 ай бұрын
Exactly the entire point of the movie. To show that victory is seldom squeaky clean
@xandermichael8367 ай бұрын
I love how in the first few seconds of this clip they showed the hunger games and the fact nobody knows how to use a bow. Her nose would be stripped off lol
@comebackguy88928 ай бұрын
Who did not realize that Ozymandias won? 😂
@ssvensic8 ай бұрын
Also, is Ozymadias actually a villain?
@jamespope76698 ай бұрын
@@ssvensic yes.
@Darkpara18 ай бұрын
@ssvensic his motivations were noble, to avoid World War 3 at the cost of tens of millions instead of billions.
@idlehands18647 ай бұрын
@@ssvensicOzy believed himself to be a god and that he could shape men's hearts, there was no guarantee that his plan would work or that long term World War 3 still wouldn't happen. He killed millions based on a hypothetical.
@adamb898 ай бұрын
"Less than necessary hobbit trilogy" damn dude went straight for the balls, sunk his teeth in, and shook his head.
@johnwerner698 ай бұрын
It’s true though. Should just have been one movie
@KasumiRINA8 ай бұрын
@@johnwerner69 and where would we get epic orc and elf battles then, just MMOs? It was very obvious ONLY the Hobbit would get funding for making a fantasy epic (which the book is not), and they ran with it. As someone who was missing action in the Hobbit original story, I liked that movies improved on that.
@sailorbychoice16 ай бұрын
4:10 i don't think Snow fooled Katniss in the slightest. I think he was always honest with her; that was part of their relationship. I think her training within The Game kicked in, _"Remember Who The Real Enemy Is..."_ I think Katniss knew she would have to do it when she agreed to the new game, and only agreed so Coin would trust her enough to give her the opportunity. If Coin hadn't trusted Katniss she could have (she probably should have) ordered a force shield for personal protection~ they had the technology.
@brucwayn64038 ай бұрын
Nice list solid pts and well presented
@LunarKn1ght6 ай бұрын
4:15 No, just no. That's not what happened. She was a monster just like him. Snow simply pointed that out and laughed because she had victory ripped from her arms at the last second. Both of them lost. The entire first failed rebellion, which mind you is the reason for the Hunger Games, started because she lost an election against him in the books and wanted power for herself, she never cared for those under her and were just using all of them like pawns, Snow points this out and Katniss decides to try to end the cycle. Which she ultimately fails to do so as the council decides to continue the Hunger Games.
@edschramm67577 ай бұрын
I'm not sure i count president snow as having won. The closest id get is if you consider his conflict with Coin, then sure, he outlasts her (probably only by about 30 seconds, but still). But it felt less like that was his goal, and more like when he realized he was doomed, he had the respect for Katniss to at least let her know what kind of person Coin was.
@nickscott4788 ай бұрын
People didn’t realize these victories? They all seem very apparent
@sirsir96657 ай бұрын
I love when the villain wins. It's more realistic and usually the villain has more going for him and likely would win.
@SciHeartJourney8 ай бұрын
I agree with #1. This was awesome!
@AnthonyMackONE8 ай бұрын
Predestination- 2 interpretations 1. The protagonist and antagonist are the same, Jane, John and the Fizzy Bomber. In this regard, the Fizzy Bomber’s bombings simply to interact with other aspects of himself throughout time are successful. He missed them dreadfully. 2. Robertson, the head of the Temporal Agency is the ultimate villain, as he was the person who set everything in motion. If there could ever be a moment considered zero point, where there hasn’t yet been a paradoxical loop of time, it would be Robertson’s actions that start it. Sometime after the discovery of time travel, he discovered a perfectly intersexual being and put this being on course to meet themselves several times, culminating in them giving birth to themselves. In fact, knowing that time travel has debilitating effects on the psyche of agents, he set this experiment in motion. The pain of Jane and John’s lives, the losses caused by the Fizzy Bomber and much more can be laid at the feet of Robertson and he was absolutely successful in his efforts.
@ExMachina708 ай бұрын
Whiplash had the most epic villain winning scene in cinema.
@majorpwner2416 ай бұрын
lmao @ the girl putting her nose inside the bow string right at the beginning. Real smart...
@5150_Designs7 ай бұрын
Big Hero 6: A few years in jail? That man is going in for life!
@subman238 ай бұрын
I have never seen Watchmen and I knew that he won. I'm only watching this out of a sense of morbid curiosity at how he could not only be in this countdown in the first place but on the freaking thumbnail *LITERALLY SAYING THE VERY LINE WITH WHICH HE **_EXPLICITLY TELLS US_*
@kevintrjohnson8 ай бұрын
8. Callahan is responsible for felony murder--he caused the death of Hiro's brother in the commision of another felony--arson. Also, lots of attempted murder. That's more than a few years behind bars, and he doesn't get to spend them with his daughter.
@daniellewis41548 ай бұрын
Actually, Callaghan committed manslaughter. He didn’t intend for tadashi to be killed in the fire as tadashi made the decision to go into the fire that killed him in a misguided attempt to save Callaghan
@Gerilyn20038 ай бұрын
If you kill someone (or someone dies) in the commission of a crime (like arson) it becomes at BEST second-degree murder.@@daniellewis4154
@Rohrae8 ай бұрын
Yeah but even if he doesn't get to spend much time with hisdaughter he does get to live knowing that she is actually alive and is going to be well, wich is more than he had before he started his plan.
@chrisbellon37398 ай бұрын
The bad guy from Skyfall
@kwcy928 ай бұрын
That’s clear as day.
@helpyourselfimbusy57478 ай бұрын
A thumbnail with Matthew Goode? You SOB, I’m in 😊
@All5Horizons3 ай бұрын
It’s okay to use the word “clear” without “abundantly” before it.
@JosefinaQB6 ай бұрын
whiplash they both kinda won, charlie got to be one of the greats, somebody that will be talked about at dinner tables even after death, and fletcher got proof that pushing someone hard enough will lead them to greatness,
@loganmiller25757 ай бұрын
having a win like spot 1 on this list is probably one of the greatest ways for a villain to win in my opinion, other then that is Watchmen a movie worth watching? I couldn't get into when I was younger and didn't know if that was the issue
@jacobdrolet42628 ай бұрын
Amazing
@catrie99656 ай бұрын
After growing up watching Ricardo Montalban on Fantasy Island, and then seeing him as Khan was SUCH an eye opener as a kid. He was amazing in that role. And, if I remember correctly, the reason Khan was after Kirk in the first place was because Kirk was involved in the death of Khan's son. So later, when Kirk's son died, it was a bit more of Khan winning through ' an eye for an eye."
@tamakunminnip21175 ай бұрын
You should watch Star Trek TOS season 1 episode 22 "Space Seed" that was the first appearance of Khan Noonien Singh. It was the death of Khan's wife Enterprise Historian Marla McGivers who died a few years after they were marooned on Ceti Alpha V. She was killed by the same insect like creature used to control Chekov and Captain Terrell.
@knightsurda7 ай бұрын
To be fair, its not entirely truthful to say Tadashi is dead. The movie isn't 100% clear that hes dead and with the comics he's definitely NOT dead.
@n.m.h96798 ай бұрын
Robert wasn’t a villain. He was a pissed off father who wanted his daughter back. Lose a child and then call him a villain.
@thomasgeorge717 ай бұрын
I was waiting to see Kevin Spacey from Seven.
@AwkwardLoser8 ай бұрын
I was assuming Ozymandias was a clickbait image but naw you actually put him on the list? Views a view I suppose.
@KeithElliott-zd8cx8 ай бұрын
the last three, it was blatantly obvious the villian, on some level, won. sure, not a 'last voyage of the demeter' ish victory, but they definitely did their villian-ing successfully.
@xBushxWookiex6 ай бұрын
Ozymandias is one of the best written and best acted villains of all time. He’s really the guy who knew to save the world they have to hate you for it
@josephesquivel40667 ай бұрын
Durin's line though was not cut off by Azog the Defiler in the Hobbit series however as Thorin was succeeded as King Under The Mountain by his cousin Dain (who also appears in the Battle of Five Armies) and the line continues on into the Fourth Age. So Azog actually failed again.
@jamesR19907 ай бұрын
The people who didn't realize Ozymandias won are the same ppl too dense to realize Liam Neeson was always Ras Al Ghul in the Dark Knight Trilogy
@mikesutton3818 ай бұрын
Should do longest breaks between true sequels
@danielsantiagourtado34308 ай бұрын
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@marcjameswhelan62318 ай бұрын
Love your spam
@RavenPhoenix6967 ай бұрын
In Big Hero 6 the villain would be charged with multiple counts of attempted murder, A few years my ass
@alexhaladay43458 ай бұрын
The alien in the Thing wins if you subscribe to the idea that Childs is an alien at the end.
@TheDurid17 ай бұрын
Isn't there a cannon sequal to Watchmen? Where ozy is revealed and reviled
@markkuijpers38188 ай бұрын
I mean, yeah, Thrór's line died out. But many other descendants of Dúrin lived on, including but not limited to Dáin (not Thorin's successor for nothing), Balin, Dwalin, Óin, Glóin and Gimli. Azog's vow to "wipe out the line of Dúrin" in the movie is an arrogant folly, either by the character or the writers
@nocturnalverse57397 ай бұрын
Manhattan allowed the people to believe he was the bad guy. He was not exiled from earth. He chose to leave. Manhattan is omnipotent and omniscient except for certain points in his timely which he cannot see beyond until hey have actually happened. The worlds smartest man is no more dangerous to him than the world's smartest termite. That's a quote. He literally got bored with humans wand wanted to create his own version of life. Ozzy certainly achieved his goal, but only because Manhattan hadn't fully come to know his power, and because he understood that the truth would undo the only possible good that came out of the tragedy. Later on as Manhattan developed, he was fully capable of literally retconning the whole time line if he wanted to. He literally rewrote the DC Universe more than once.
@thelastbison22417 ай бұрын
Coin must have been so surprised and Snow knew he would not be living that place alive. It would be like the duke in Dune and the baron except the baron dies after mocking his defeat and telling him about his family.
@flamingocontent73117 ай бұрын
Freddy Krueger: u are mine in this Dream hahaha... My Lucid Dreaming Friend: boddy u are fucked 😂😂
@aFadingStar7 ай бұрын
It's just a little funny that everyone here saying "Oh yes the journal wouldn't have contained anything, who would believe him?" etc etc haven't read the continuation of the comicbook the movie is based on. In the continuation comic, the journal and it's contents become public knowledge and point to Ozymandias being key to the plot and responsible for the nukes, he becomes a fugitive and then has to go about bringing Doctor Manhattan back. Yes he "won" in the movie, so much as to the effect that we don't get to see what happens next. He didn't win. Not at all.
@hunterrousseau37708 ай бұрын
No 8️⃣ speaking of Big Hero 6, I guess no one else still remembers or talks the subsequent animated series that followed the events of that movie, huh?
@bheast868 ай бұрын
'I'm dead, but I won' - kind of takes some of the lustre off
@Zam_from_NerdTube6 ай бұрын
Baron Zemo from Captain America Civil War. He wanted to break up the Avengers and for several years he did. Even getting Iron Man to fight Captain America. Zemo beat the Avengers before Thanos did.
@nerd9347.7 ай бұрын
Regarding #5, he could’ve just built a few Wardenclyffe towers.
@BogeyCDogRosey7 ай бұрын
Not only did Ozymandius win, he was a super? See any other masked heroes, apart from Manhattan, catching bullets? One of the very definitions of Superman? The end of The Watchmen is much, much darker than folks realize.
@mikesuperhero17 ай бұрын
Arlington Road 🔥🔥
@OodldoodlNoodlesocks6 ай бұрын
I'd say Law Abiding Citizen is one movie where the bad guy won.
@galahad6957 ай бұрын
but ozymandias wining is the whole point of the last part of the movie. "I'm not a comic book villain. Do you seriously think I would explain my master stroke to you if there were even the slightest possibility you could affect the outcome? I triggered it 35 minutes ago" the dude is actually telling us, "this was my plan, i did it, and it worked" we even see the presidential speech for the aftermath of the bombs.
@StephenLeGresley8 ай бұрын
Other examples: 1) Silence of the Lambs - Hannibal Lecter gets away and goes back on a killing spree. 2) Texas Chainsaw Massacre - While the final girl gets away she is horribly traumatized and never actually defeats the people who abused her. 3) Halloween Kills - Michael gets away after defeating a mobs and killing Laurie's daughter. 4) Batman V Superman - Lex Luthor won. Sure he get's sent to prison but he accomplished his goal in killing Superman. 5) Wolf Creek - Serial killer Mick Taylor just simply wins. He kills his victims and walks away in the sunlight a free man. 6) Primal Fear - Edward Norton's character gets away with murder. 7) The Woman in Black - The ghost ends up getting her intended victim. 8) Unbreakable - Another film where a person does go to prison but achieves their main goal regardless. 9) Funny Games - A film where the two villains do everything they want and then just head off to find more victims. 10) Fallen - A demonic possession film where the villain manages to escape while the hero dies for nothing.
@wstavis31358 ай бұрын
Fallen and Unbreakable are such great films too.
@jamespaul63158 ай бұрын
Lol half of these are obvious, the list is called “you didnt realise won”, not “is blindly obvious”
@kingjamos24228 ай бұрын
@@jamespaul6315 True, but WhatCulture did include Ozymandias for some reason, so it wouldn't be unprecedented.
@StephenLeGresley8 ай бұрын
@@jamespaul6315 Ok, congrats... lol. They still pretty much fit and things aren't obvious to everyone.
@jamespaul63158 ай бұрын
@@StephenLeGresley lol if you dont think some of these things are obvious, you need to be checked for a brain
@exanime6 ай бұрын
This video should be called "8 More villains that actually won in the most explicit way"... who the hell watch any of these movies and did not realize the "bad guys" won?
@BenCaesar8 ай бұрын
Thanos. No one forgets his impact
@jimtailor12697 ай бұрын
In Kingmans. India and China must have been LIT
@tooluser6 ай бұрын
You didn't watch Big hero6. Callahan DOESN'T show regret at Tadashi's death, He din't kill Krei which would have happened and he didn't rescue his daughter, he didn't even know she was alive.
@jasonarnold77668 ай бұрын
Diane is Theorin’s cousin, Darin’s line continues
@kevinledvina93877 ай бұрын
The title of this video is horribly wrong.. it should say “the most obvious villains in shows”
@jameskiely27888 ай бұрын
About Ozymandias, yes, he won but it was a temporary victory at best. When the character showed up in the DC Universe he thought of his plan as a failure since he wanted to create lasting peace and that peace crumbled in a shockingly short time. Thus why he is trying to form a new plan using a different universe.
@mobulis6 ай бұрын
Except they now know what he looks like.
@chaost45446 ай бұрын
Maybe DC writing is bad?
@MandosaWright8 ай бұрын
Wanna know who else won, Agent Smith. The Matrix.
@mpc5training1957 ай бұрын
The Joker, obviously. He did exactly what he set out to do. He corrupted Harvey Dent and also removed Batman from the equation as he had to take the fall (lol) for everything Dent did, so he actually corrupted both heroes.
@magmaron93567 ай бұрын
Azog didn't succeed becouse Dain who is alive at the end of the battle of the five armies, and is also Thorin's cousin and Dain actually becomes king.
@bobdravs69028 ай бұрын
"Khansequently" I see what you did there.
@Mohegan138 ай бұрын
#2 just doesn't belong on the list called "didn't realise actually won". It belong on a list called "everyone knew they won, unless they didn't watch the movie."
@tmntman30863 ай бұрын
I still argue that while substituting Dr. Manhattan for a space squid, it would ultimately undermine Ozymandias' plan entirely. His goal was suppose to be to unite humanity against a single foreign enemy. Dr. Manhattan is not a foreign enemy. He is not an unknown enemy. He is a human that was altered by an experiment gone wrong. But if humanity set up the conditions to create him once, they likely can do it again. Ozymandias meant for Manhattan to become the ultimate nuclear deterrent. But having seen what happened after WWII, you would be a fool to think that one country could come up with a weapon, allow it to obliterate 15 million people and the rest of the nations of the world wouldn't suddenly make it a priority to develop the technology to have their own Dr. Manhattans as a countermeasure.
@mten10th678 ай бұрын
Putting President Snow on this list shows a lack of understanding of the movie.
@louislamp7 ай бұрын
I forget if video game villains who got what they wanted already have their own videos. :)
@raven14367 ай бұрын
Calahan didnt win he didn’t get revenge he destroyed one building that was owned by a rich person
@birceavladimir-marian1527 ай бұрын
For kingsman, 10s of 100dreds of millions? it that 1 bilion? just imediatly after the " third act" phrase. Please answer.
@leonstruckmeier10536 ай бұрын
6:27 actually "tens of hundreds of millions" is quite wrong, because that would mean that billions died, and it weren't that many
@cheezwombat18 ай бұрын
37th time we've seen this list lol
@TheZoenGaming7 ай бұрын
Ozymandias' win wasn't anything other than obvious. He literally said he won half an hour ago.
@IanM-id8or7 ай бұрын
to be fair, the Klingons already hated Kirk. They really didn't need any stimulus to make them hate him more
@purpledevilr74638 ай бұрын
6:37 tens of hundreds of millions is multiple billion. That’s at least a quarter of the world population.
@aliengrrl8 ай бұрын
Ozymandias isn't Watchmen's villain. It's kind of the point of the franchise - that there are no heroes - but some of the villains are worse than others. The Comedian is pretty terrible because he enjoys inflicting pain. Rorschach is terrible because he has decided his own moral code and is happy to kill anyone who fails to meet his standard. Manhattan is terrible because he will just kill millions because he's told to and he doesn't care. Ozymandias is responsible for events that leave millions of dead - but he weighs a million deaths against untold billions and chooses the path that causes least suffering. In the end, Ozymandias is possibly as close as Watchmen gets to a hero, and Rorschach is the real big bad, because he can't change the millions of deaths, but he does make it meaningless.
@majorpwner2416 ай бұрын
And you think murdering millions of people for your own perceived benefit to the greater good isn't creating your own twisted moral code? LMAO. If anything Ozymandias is a much more extreme reflection of the same things that make Rorschach so flawed. Rorschach is at least honest with himself and others, a trait which Ozymandias wholly lacks. Ozymandias is absolutely a villain in the most meaningful sense of the word. Rorschach is an anti-hero, who will cause more harm than good to do the right/honest thing regardless of consequences. If you really want to get philosophical, the story should have you reflecting on what sort of world is worth saving. Is it WORTH saving a world built on lies? The answer is no.
@rjshadow43216 ай бұрын
in watchmen can Rorschach or anyone really be considered a good guy two of them talk about the villain that just wanted to be punished that he tossed down a elevator shaft plus all the stuff he does in the movie.
@kevinclapson8 ай бұрын
Valentine only "won" under the assertion that a meaningfully large amount of people did, in fact, die. The losses are never touched upon so its pure assumption that the death toll was substantial. When stacked against his plan, which was eradication of the considerable majority of earth's population, he fell far short of anything resembling a victory.
@frantisekvrana39028 ай бұрын
Let's assume 2 things. 1: He got his SIM cards to a reasonable majority of human population. Let's say 70%. 2: Anybody near a functioning phone with such SIM card was affected. (Let's say 95% percent of owners of such phones) They were compelled to keep the phone with them and kill as many people as possible. Now, let's tally the kills by situation. We are only going for those that were affected. a) Some people were alone at the time. Be they sleeping, at home, in the wilderness, etc. They would be spared having killed anybody. b) Some would be with people in safe areas without many good weapons. Those would suffer low overall fatality rate. c) Some would be with people in traffic. High traffic situation would have extremely high fatality rate. d) Some people would be at work in dangerous evironment or with dangerous tools. There would be a high fatality rate there. Overall: People that live alone or happen to be alone at the time, as well as anybody who isn't near such functional phone at the time for any reason is safe from direct fatality. From those that aren't people on the streets in big cities, manual laborers, cops, and soldiers suffer massive losses. Then comes the second wave. Suicides from having killed loved ones, and vengeance for loved ones killed by other people. Then comes the third wave. With most active soldiers and probably over half policemen dead, and the world being in panic, crime rate spikes. It is also likely that many production companies lose too many workers to keep operation. The human race would not end. But I'd say a good 40% to 60% would die as a direct or indirect result of this.