A continuation of the part after demonstrating the cad and cam. The machine work for this and the flange end.
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@adamwisialowski20033 жыл бұрын
My favorite person in all of the youtube world to watch!! Peter is the man, the myth and the legend!
@dannywilsher41653 жыл бұрын
Yep he is!!!
@bradleylinsmeyer6053 жыл бұрын
Feel the same way! Love watching this guy!
@Orgakoyd3 жыл бұрын
Robin Renzetti, Stefan Gotteswinter and Peter are the top three.
@scrout3 жыл бұрын
.......wizard.....
@wheelitzr23 жыл бұрын
Man... Peter I wish I was in your area, I would come fix that chip conveyor in a heartbeat just to be able to say I met Peter Stanton! Thank you for the videos.
@thomcarr70213 жыл бұрын
And I'd bring him a new tee-shirt.
@barryboyd79733 жыл бұрын
Good for you man. You have your priorities straight.
@wheelitzr23 жыл бұрын
@@barryboyd7973 helping out Peter for all of the knowledge he has shared would be very high on my priority list yes.
@fredrezfield16292 жыл бұрын
@@wheelitzr2 you fix okumas mazak DMGs?they're all probably hennig anyway
@gerardlochmans5893 жыл бұрын
As allways ....a pleasure to watch! Beeing a non-machinist but technically interestet retired opticien from the Netherlands i can apreciate your skilss and your attitude to your work! Thanks for your many video`s👍👍👍
@bcbloc023 жыл бұрын
That is going to be a robust wheel hub for your Toyota. :-)
@RussellHaghgoo5 ай бұрын
And that you provide very good technical and specialized information. Thanks
@johnorris14042 жыл бұрын
Nice job as always. Thanks for explaining the process.
@yuri0resig3 жыл бұрын
I tried to like the video 3 times because forgot i already liked it. Your atittude is rare here where I live in the UK. Needs more people like you, but i guess that comes from you are the owner of the company and not just an employee who's waiting the end of the shift.
@ehamster3 жыл бұрын
The air coming out of the knife is probably in laminar flow. At the edge of an air stream is the boundary layer. A laminar boundary layer is thinner and has less drag than a turbulent boundary layer, but doesn’t stick to a surface as well. In this case you want the airflow to remain attached to the surface (lens cover), drag isn’t an issue. So I think you’d get better results with a turbulent boundary layer. You can experiment with this by sticking a thin strip of coarse abrasive strip just in front of the air knife exit. That should tip the flow into a more sticky turbulent boundary layer that should clear the lens more effectively. Some gliders have a strip of abrasive on the leading edge to keep the airflow attached to the wing. (Higher drag, but lower stall speed)
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
That’s interesting. I could even try machining different surfaces on the ramp the air flows down to the lense.
@mrjjab12 жыл бұрын
Great video to watch.Thankyou
@karldunne55953 жыл бұрын
I'll watch this video on the weekend, with a high end Whisky 👍🏻😎..... cheers,
@bruceflaws32133 жыл бұрын
Why wait? I’m having some Knob Creek now.
@SMCca3 жыл бұрын
It amazes me how much force those jaws can grip with to hold a part that heavy that far out of the chuck!! Here I am putting a tailstock in on a little 3x3 part because it feels big lol.
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
I would never do this with a hydraulic chuck. As speed increases a hydraulic chuck looses clamping force. A manual four jaw chuck doesn’t have this problem. Also remember this part isn’t really that long. It’s just the size that intimidates you. It’s 16” in diameter and only 21.5” long. If you stick your 3” part out around 4.5” it’s about the same relationship.
@SMCca3 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision Yeah, the scale of it messes with me. The aesthetic of a 20" part hanging on by 1" of jaw jumbles my brain. I'm sure there's many thousands of pounds of clamping force with them and is perfectly safe, but it still makes me feel yikes lol.
@rolandolievanoagudelo.51122 жыл бұрын
Excelente trabajo maestro muy buen acabado felicitaciones.
@Eggsr2bcrushed3 жыл бұрын
You could use an inline oiler setup to inject Rain-X in to the air line to the camera. Toolmakers use them on their pencil grinders all the time.
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
I will check into that. Thanks!
@Strothy23 жыл бұрын
just wanted to the exact same thing, good thing i scrolled a bit... :D
@jimsvideos72013 жыл бұрын
That sounds like one of those ideas I should tuck into a grey cell for some point in the future.
@somebodyelse66733 жыл бұрын
I wonder if that would do anything to the coolant?
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
@@somebodyelse6673 It may but I loose and makeup gallons of coolant every week or two. I think a few ounces of RainX won’t do to much. I have always used it to clean the machines windows.
@stephenward34682 жыл бұрын
Nice work quality is king always
@dinosauralan.94863 жыл бұрын
Thank you again for a most enjoyable and educating video, my machining requirements I can do upon a basic centre lathe. However seeing your efforts and sort of Art is very satisfying. Take care too.
@jonwatte42933 жыл бұрын
I'm with you on the CAM being nicer and safer. I think it's actually not effective overall, too. I don't use a Mazak, but I've found conversational is only useful for the things I could write in straight gcode, and if it's that simple, might as well do that! We invented CAM systems for a reason! It's the smart thing to use them!
@extradimension73563 жыл бұрын
So many great things in this video a real treasure trove and very clear and lucid. Really liked the roughing footage; cool idea with the rainx + air knife. I've wondered if its possible to pulse the coolant somehow (in particular instances ) so you can synch your frame rate almost stroboscopically (24 to 60 fps) so that the phasing can be such that you see the actual cut mostly without coolant even though the surface is receiving coolant. Perhaps better than cutting dry for didactic purposes. I really liked the footage showing the near mayhem of the rough cuts - really enjoyable to see that. ALSO really appreciate the split frame showing the inserts - genius ! (Really helpful - rough and finish.). Also CAM strategies and programming for different less obvious tool paths to fit much more appropriately the torque of the spindle. [I'm defiantly going to have to steal that approach :-) .]. At the end I really liked how you just walked with the camera round the corner of the machine and into the work area and main spindle looking down into the length of the machine (towards the tail stock) and then pivot to the main spindle and the craned part: it gives a really GOOD 3D feel to the whole space, the machine, the space occupied by the machine and the whole "human" working space that you have yourself jammed in there like a space capsule/space station - in "One take". You probably take that for granted but the wide angle lens and walkabout that way was really cool and creates a REAL feeling of the space. [Thanks so much for making this - really good visual and technical explanation that holds one's attention all the way to the end - definitely appreciate the time and effort and thoughtful explanations / edits. Awesome ! ].
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
Wow long comment thanks! The issue with pulsing the coolant is it takes many seconds to bleed down. So if it was pulsed you would never see it. A interesting idea though.
@extradimension73563 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision I was wondering about a simple case (visually just for fun) with a coolant nozzle that had some kind of pulsing / interruption gizmo. Maybe I mock something up. There's a lot of videos out there that show stroboscopic individual droplets of a stream that have a surprisingly regular "Periodicity" and appear stationary and yet their phasing can be adjusted / dialed in. [The stream appears contiguous to the normal eye but its really not, its a collection of regularly spaced flying droplets.]. But yeah I understand-ish the basic TSC (high pressure) and other flood coolant / dishwasher "Mode" mayhem and pretty fast "Balls out" to the wall production work. Awesome to see all those extra shots and angles cut together in your video - really nice. Thanks again !
@extradimension73563 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision 'ere ~ Like this ---> kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ar6brNp938eRaXk.html So not surprisingly if you keep making these Machining videos then you will need special "In camera" SFX (special effects) ;-) If you google "Strobe light" and "water droplets" you'll find more videos. So a bit like doing on a boring operation on an interrupted cut/ geometry, a strobed water droplet stream or maybe higher pressure "chopper" means you can find a close up camera angle "In cut" with coolant doing it's job but the strobing of the cut makes the coolant be almost invisible / out of the way as you can dial away the closest drop to the desired position / spacing. Maybe for special particular sequences you want to capture. Perhaps not for everyday coolant shooting lol. Have been interested in your small camera housing work - really cool.
@Wmbhill3 жыл бұрын
Another great video, thanks for making it.
@michael.zykov38912 жыл бұрын
I designed a similar thing eight years ago and wrote a technological process for its manufacture. The problem was that we did not have such CNC equipment in production and we had to sharpen the shaft separately, and then cut out the flange on laser cutting, and then weld it to the shaft using shielding gas welding. And then turn the flange assembly with the shaft on a universal lathe in manual mode. But turning did not remove the residual beats, they still remained above the norm. With such equipment and a program, it would be possible to obtain a part with high accuracy.
@rbjem3 жыл бұрын
For the rainex, maybe a standard air line lubricator would do the job, maybe even a full FRL (filter regulator lubricator). Off the shelf solution to inject small amounts of fluid into the air stream.
@HuskyMachining3 жыл бұрын
I'm a 1 man, 1 machine shop too and my wife is always telling me that making the part to its tolerances is fine enough but I sometime get carried away as well and want that dim as close to target as my body will allow
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
There is a balance going on between your perfectionism and making money. At some point you have to say that’s good enough.
@nikolaiownz3 жыл бұрын
Ohh man. To be honest. I dont have time to make parts better than required 😂
@HuskyMachining3 жыл бұрын
@@nikolaiownz hahaha, tell me about! It's a nice day when the part comes out exactly smack on but tolerances where made for a reason
@TrPrecisionMachining3 жыл бұрын
muy buen video edge precision..gracias por tu tiempo..un saludo y mucha salud
@Zeroexecute3 жыл бұрын
Love the videos. I do have a question about indicators on horizontal machines. When I was trained on a horizontal mill a few years ago, my instructor said that you shouldn't use a normal dial test indicator in the spindle to pick up on holes, because gravity will give you a false reading. To demonstrate, he used a Noga Mag Base on a piece of flat stock, zeroed the indicator on the steel and turned the whole apparatus upside down. Sure enough, it drooped about .001. To get around it, I was told a co-axial indicator never has this issue. Have you run into this sort of problem on the Mazak or Mits? Do you think it's a lack of rigidity in the Noga Arm or an inherent issue in the mechanism of the dial test indicator? Thanks for making great content!
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
Your instructor is correct. What ever indicator and arm you use has to be tested for this. Any mag base arm combination I have found is useless. What I use is a the short Noga arm with a Interapid vertical dial indicator. The old Noga arms had a small clamp knob like you see in this video. The new ones have this large knob. I don’t like that. The arm should mount in a collet chuck and be short. The stylus pressure/force of the indicator needs to be light/low. This can contribute to the error. The Interapid indicator has a very low force. The only co-axial indicator I would use is the Hamer Centro. All the others I have tried aren’t in my opinion accurate enough. But it does cost around $600.00. Also I can’t run the spindle with the doors open on the Mazak. So a co-axial indicator would have to be turned by hand. Not the most ideal but doable.
@Zeroexecute3 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision Thanks for the reply! I'll do some more testing with it next time I need to indicate on a bore. Always worth trying to learn something new.
@OldFella5473 жыл бұрын
Hi Peter. Keep up The Very Interesting Good Work as I know it can be a pain when you are continually working on heavy Stock however even though I've been retired for many years back in The late 60s &70s I had a bit to do with A Swiss Tape Controlled Jig Borer however when machining Stock in Lathes we would always take a skim to break The Skin which was also beneficial if The Work happened to move. Cheers. Brian
@franklinblazek253 жыл бұрын
Yeah my boss tried getting us to use conversational programming it’s much easier to program on a big screen where you can zoom in and you have much more features. Chip impressions scrap parts!
@AgravatVishal19972 жыл бұрын
Perfect process, Precisely followed.
@toolbox-gua3 жыл бұрын
One more excuse to watch your channel: EXCELLENCE!
@creed6.5493 жыл бұрын
very nicely done , i to like the animation of the cutting operation
@franklinblazek253 жыл бұрын
Having that conveyor down will turn you tough as nails especially on a lathe .25doc at .015 that’s a heavy shovel haha that reminds me I use to have to crawl into a fadal 40x20 to shovel chips out because the company saved a “ton of money not buying the chip conveyor option ”
@Mike-lt6sj2 жыл бұрын
That makes me wonder what kind of shape the way covers are in, because once they fill up with chips you start crushing them.
@alanmunroe83322 жыл бұрын
Holding heavy blanks to chuck-jaw can be assisted by T-slots & clamps, saving the other precision components. Adjusting back flange & OD runout, T-slots & Jack Screw, saves the whacking while using 2 indicator setup. Observing each adjustment / movement. Saves what is left of our strength 😌! Old Skool
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
Funny you should say that. One of my viewers that’s here locally. He made me some and brought them to me.
@alanmunroe83322 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision Old Skool 1st Job: Warner-Swasey 24" Turret Lathe, File Board, Hook Scale & Calipers for rough casting, Tubing & Casing Heads W/Ring Groves! Your New School, makes the old guy drool.😂
@Onerouss3 жыл бұрын
Love the air cooling holes in the shirt! I have so many that are like that as well. :-)
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
It’s not on purpose but I like that shirt. I don’t want to retire it yet.
@ikocheratcr3 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision Yeah, why throw out a perfectly working shirt, totally agree. I have some too. :)
@Chiefs1582 Жыл бұрын
We do parts similar to those we call them tophats we do them on a vtl wish the would use a bigger drill than they do. Great video
@Jasondr133 жыл бұрын
Its fun to make that kind of pieces I usually make pieces between diameter 400-800 and with alot of grooving that takes time but the amount of work that goes in is just fun to do and its time eating 😁 Nice job making that part 👍
@lucas_alexandreBR3 жыл бұрын
Hello! As always.. very nice video!
@jimhimesjr2 жыл бұрын
When I put the part in the lathe (hanging from the crane) I always liked for the part to be slightly higher on the tail stock end, doing this works as you lower the part into the jaws the part will stay in place using gravity, you don’t need to hold the part with a tail stock or turret.
@spaceage692 жыл бұрын
you just answered my question about mazitrol verse esprie you are applying the same logic that I use Thanks
@podfuk3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic content Peter!
@andrewlcs5423 жыл бұрын
How 'flat' are the jaw faces relative to each other jaw? I apologise if you have already covered this earlier.
@Honzishek3 жыл бұрын
that flat how you turn them .
@4GSR3 жыл бұрын
When I'm indicating in on a 4-jaw and have to bang on the part next to the dial indicator. I'll slightly pick up the indicator point off the work piece, so it doesn't shock the indicator. Of course, I do strictly manual machining. Enjoy watching your videos, Ken.
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
This can be done with a 1" travel indicator. It would be difficult without disturbing the setting of a last word type indicator. Also I like to leave the indicator in contact with the work to see the movement when I strike the workpiece.
@MachinedComponents3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another very entertaining and informative video. I wanted to ask you about your choice of finishing insert, I noticed that you (and other KZfaq machinests) use a VNMG style insert for finishing and was wondering why? I prefer a TNMG style as they seem stronger and give 6 edges instead of only 4.
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
Actually the insert I use is a VBMT. The positive rake 35 deg diamond. I use this insert because it can cut down a 45 deg back angle. The VNMG doesn’t have clearance for this. It will rub the lower cutting edge unless you grind it away. Kind of defeats the four cutting edge advantage. This is very often required with thread reliefs in oil field parts. Also I like is because if shavings get wrapped up between the part and the tool it has more clearance on its back side. This has less of a tendency to mar the finish of the part. The TNMG of course won’t go down as steep back angle that I require.
@skirifles20763 жыл бұрын
All professional. Thanks Peter!
@dx633 жыл бұрын
Peter now mast teach adom79 cnc programming and machining. From the time he decided to learning, he mast learn from the grand master. Greetings from Greece.
@dannywilsher41653 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Mr. Pete!!!!
@KISSMYACE32033 жыл бұрын
Whenever you milled the holes, was there any reason why you didn't keep the head/spindle in one location and index the chuck? You ended up doing half and then indexed 180°. I'm just a slightly curious pretend machinist.
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
This machine doesn’t have enough travel in the downward direction (X minus) to reach the holes so I did the top half than rotated 180 to get the bottom half. To get the holes to .780 size it’s using a helical motion with the 500” dia end mill.
@Orgakoyd3 жыл бұрын
Edge Precision I think KISSMYACE3203 means why not keep the head in one spot and just index all the holes with the chuck until all are done? I’m curious if it could be done that way.
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
@@Orgakoyd Yes it could be done in that way.
@shadowdsfire3 жыл бұрын
@@Orgakoyd To answer, it's just quicker the way he did it. X/Y movements are generally faster than X/C movements, especially for operations like drilling because the chuck has to be clamped/declamped at every holes.
@Orgakoyd3 жыл бұрын
@@shadowdsfire Thanks. I didn't think abut the chuck clamping!
@Everything_Engineering3 жыл бұрын
I know as you mentioned that cleaning out the coolant is a mission. However I think it could drastically improve the film quality. You know that feeling when you just clean a machine out and there is no tramp oil residue. The machine is really clean and coolant seems to effortlessly drain off without clinging to everything. Just a though, with the go pro air blade and clean coolant I imagine the time you spend filming is much less aswell. I dont know if you ever reshoot any of the filming due to quality but it could save you time in the long run if its something your having to do as a result.
@douro203 жыл бұрын
There's an air-powered machine for cleaning it. It's available for rent from Safety-Kleen.
@Everything_Engineering3 жыл бұрын
@@douro20 Yh I agree sucking it out and cleaning would help. I imagine at this point its past its prime with a long period of time with tramp oil mixed.
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
I have just recently purchased a NexJen coolant oil separator just for this purpose. I haven't had time to install it yet. Oil skimmers wont work on this coolant system because most of the tank in under the chip conveyor. we shall see how this thing works. This NexJen seems to be the one people like.
@ericktorres95093 жыл бұрын
Nice work Pete
@alro30383 жыл бұрын
Nice t-shirt =D. Good work.
@TRVABL2 жыл бұрын
Am i able to ask...but say if you need to modify the program to do tapers and or radius G03 or G02 without cutter compensation do you edit the program manually or do you edit the program using the CAM software?
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
I prefer to do all modifications in the cam software. For a couple of reasons. One is to avoid big mistakes in entering incorrect numbers. But the main reason is if I change the program in another place or way and reprocess code. If I did changes manually I would have to remember all of them and go back and redo them all.
@user-dr4px1vg9e3 жыл бұрын
Peter, you must put the games with shovel in video! It would be so funny! Thanks for excellent job.
@wdobni2 жыл бұрын
i don't know what it is or what it does but it must be a $20,000 part.....you have a magnificent and fearsome robotic lathe there .... these modern machines are otherworldly ....i'm guessing but it would be interesting to calculate the total amount and cost of electric power it required to machine that item ....i'm guessing it must approach $200 to $300 just for electricity which is the cheapest item in the list of requirements to make something like that........you could probably take on 3 apprentices and charge them $60,000 a year tuition each over 5 years to learn the trade if you wanted the nuisance and bother of teaching in addition to your other jobs.......very well done and after doing it for 35 years you make it look almost easy
@paulmace79103 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks. What was the max load on the machine spindle during roughing? How do you balance spindle HP against tool life?
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
In low range on these parts. I keep a eye on the spindle load reading. It starts at around 48% when it climbs up to around 55-58% I start looking at the chips coming off the tool. generally the tool will not be breaking the chip as well. Throwing off a long stringer or spring shaped shavings. something like that. I will stop and index the insert. this machine has a 60 Hp turning spindle. You have to pay attention to this. If the tool fails it wont stop or overload it will just burn up the tool and part.
@dktim0073 жыл бұрын
What's your DOC at 14:16? I am making nearly the same part as you. I have the flange on the front, and holding the body with a FlexC collet chuck. Using a 1.5in solid boring bar with CNMG 432.. it chatters real bad. I might just have to pickup an anti-vibe bar... they're so bloody expensive. I'm hoping I can find the sweet spot feed/doc.
@fredrezfield16292 жыл бұрын
peter i am working on a flange like this 40 times smaller huh? so 3mm base the shaft is 22mm long for a total of 25mm LENGTHwise the first diameter is 25mm the diameter of the base 60mm i had to put a relief /face groove around the shaft for about .5mm deep! the part has bent in. it's no longer flat anymore [at the base]. is it possible to re shape it? ? would you use heat? it's stainless steel 304
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
You probably should have left stock on the face, to face off after the groove was done. To straighten the existing part. You may if you have a hydraulic press. Make a fixture so the part just sets on the outer edge of the flange. Than a piece to press on the middle of the part. If have to press on the shaft end it may need a hole for the shaft to go in and fit in the face/relief groove you made. So your pushing on this, punch if you will and not the shaft. This may work if you are extremely careful. But for this small of a part wouldn't be easier to just remake it?
@RussellHaghgoo5 ай бұрын
You are the best teacher I have ever seen. I will give you my best wishes. In which city is your workshop?
@billdlv3 жыл бұрын
Part looks good Peter, nice job. +1 on the inline oiler for the rain-x I bet that would work.
@ianagos42763 жыл бұрын
Peter I would really be interested in how you setup you tool offsets on the Mazak. In the tool data page or tool offsets? And the what settings you use in you cam software. Also how you setup a tool in your cam with holders and what not. Doesn’t have to be anything too special but if you could please make a video detailing some of this I would be really grateful. So far I’ve just been learning as I go on my integrex and due to having another Mazak lathe mazatrol was easy to pickup. But this is my first time trying to use eia code and Im getting all kinds of odd things like diameters coming out way off size and other strange things.
@vigenm22683 жыл бұрын
Hey there, Thanks for your time doing this video, it is very educational. I’m so curious to know about the cost of machining of these parts, I know lots of factors come into play when it comes to estimates this kind of perfect job. Thanks.
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
I hope you'll understand when I tell you. I don't like to go into the actual cost of a real job. I often get my jobs thru my old shop Centerline. I don't think it would be fair to them to do so. In estimating a job. After adding up the expenses you know. Like material and outside processes and possible tooling. The only thing left is what your willing to work for. In the end this is the time it takes and what that costs. You can separate the setup/programming time. Than divide it by the number of parts. Than add up all three and that's the cost. It seems simple doesn't it. But there's the final cost. Here is where you have to decide. Can I get the job for that? A'm I willing to take chances, or risk a little more, on a unseen circumstance. In the end you have to do jobs and succeed and fail to know what is practicable (for you) to quote. I do have a video where I discuss this. "My thoughts on quoting jobs". But the final word is. Its your best guess for your situation.
@almaguer48923 жыл бұрын
What spindle speed do you lock the max rpm at? That is a massive workpiece.
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
When roughing in low range it can’t go above 460. But when most of the material is removed on this part. I limited it to 1000 rpm in high range. The machine can only turn 1600 in high range.
@marouanebenderradji1373 жыл бұрын
I wonder how you would do these setups with hydraulic chucks would it be easier and more convenient or is it gonna cost more since you have to machine soft jaws for the specific diameter and is there a way to adjust runout on a hydraulic chuck I know you don't use them because they are so big and it creates clearance problems and that's why you are using this smaller 4 jaw chuck
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
Yes. This machine normally mounts a 21" Kitagawa chuck. What I did is buy a 16" manual 4-jaw chuck with the same mount as the Kitagawa chuck. Than it was just bolt it on the spindle. Another thing we have done is chuck onto a manual chuck in the hydraulic chuck. If your chuck isn't large enough for that. Bolt a short straight shank on the 4-jaw and chuck that in the hydraulic chuck.
@Orgakoyd3 күн бұрын
Hi Peter, when the machine stopped at 11:53 for you to measure the diameter, did the tool just stop in the cut as the spindle came to a stop, and then restart again while the edge was in the cut, or did something else happen?
@EdgePrecision3 күн бұрын
The machine can be stopped at any time with feed hold. Then be put into a manual mode to open the doors to check something. In this case measure or maybe clear shavings. As long as you don’t move anything you can close the doors put it back into the auto mode and push cycle start. It will turn on the spindle and continue the program as normal. There is also a way ( I didn’t do it in this case) save the positions (they call them tool point positions) and it will follow those points back and continue when you restart the program. This is pretty much normal to most comercial CNC machines.
@Orgakoyd3 күн бұрын
@@EdgePrecision Thanks for your reply. The reason I ask, is because I’ve heard a carbide insert shouldn’t be “stopped in the cut” if you know what I mean. Like if you were cutting on a manual lathe and there was a power cut and the spindle just stopped without the tool retracting. I was wondering if the machine made a small move to pull the tool out a little when you did a momentary stop like this. Or is this a myth and it’s fine to stop the spindle with the tool in the cut?
@EdgePrecision3 күн бұрын
@@Orgakoyd No you are correct in a heavy roughing cut and on a manual lathe if you hit the break and instantly stop the spindle. It would probably damage the insert. But pushing feed hold on a CNC machine is like disengaging the feed lever on a manual machine. The spindle continues to turn until you push one of the manual keys/buttons. Then the spindle stops. This won’t break the insert just as stopping the feed on a manual machine won’t. If you just push a manual button without first pushing feed hold. It would instantly stop the spindle and probably damage the insert.
@Orgakoyd2 күн бұрын
@@EdgePrecision Ok thank you for the explanation! That really helps.
@douro203 жыл бұрын
The Compac extended travel indicators are a bit more expensive but I like the dials on them better. They have an impressive amount of shock resistance.
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
I have never used a Compac indicator. So I cant make a comparison. But as to every indicator I have use the Interapid indicator has been the best. The Compac is only a little more say $30-40 more than the Interapid I use. Shock resistance isn't my main criteria. Its stylus force. The Interapid has a very low force. This comes into play using a indicator in the horizontal spindle position.
@dunkd2a3n3 жыл бұрын
I like to play these longer videos when I'm puttering with desk/hand work stuff. Just listening to 40:13, and thought "what if you completely filled your mazak enclosure with clear oil, then we could see much better" haha
@SR-ml4dn3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Peter for the video. It was a kind nerve breaking when the spindle ramp up in speed for center cut :-) . When cutting away such a massive part of material will it need heat treatment for internal tensions ? or the material is stable so it will not spontaneous release tensions.
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
This material is pre heat treated. I won’t get any post heat treat. It also didn’t appear to have a lot of stress in it this time. Every heat of material is always different. Some better than others.
@callmeasuka58493 жыл бұрын
It's a bit oftopic, but I'm wondering how your Ballscrews are holding up, since you do roughing and finishing on this machine, I'm asking cause at my work the X-Axis on a rather big horizontal CNC Mill is slightly worn out (after 7 years) and you can see it on the milled surfaces and the axis is a bit "springy", 3 out of 5 Ballscrews get replaced this year, I guess it's not so bad with a lathe cause the Forces go mostly in one direction
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
As far as I can tell everything is OK on the Mazak. My horizontal mill is 7 years older (Built in 1999) and has done harder roughing than the Mazak and its completely accurate. I would say if your ball screws are wearing out. You need to check if they are getting lubrication. Or maybe the machine has had some bad crashes.
@SimonPEdwards633 жыл бұрын
Peter, for your rainex, try and oil fog lubricator - like the use in compressed air systems.
@FuzzyPanda533 жыл бұрын
Peter the man the myth the legend. My work has 2 Mazak integrex e650s with big plus cat 50 spindles. They were made around the early 2000s, I'm told that they were some of the first ones mazak made. Both of them have weird things about them that work funky. how has your experience with yours been?
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
What weird things?
@FuzzyPanda533 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision When programming some Renishaw probe cycle routines; tool changing from the probe to another tool can cause a soft over travel while in the tool change cycle. a couple other small things. Just was wondering how happy you are with the mazak control and how it functions. Also, do you use the mazatrol tool offsets or the eia ones?
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
@@FuzzyPanda53 Yes I use the Mazatrol offsets for eia. But to apply the tip comp direction you have to do it in a unusual way that refers back to the eia offsets. So I use only the first 9 eia tool offsets only just for that purpose. It’s kind of hard to explain. I could demonstrate it. I haven’t had any trouble with soft limits in tool changes. But my machine was built in 2006 so maybe they ironed out some problems by then.
@FuzzyPanda533 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision Ah great thanks. I would be interested in hearing how you apply the tip comp. We use mastercam at my work and bake the tip comp directly into the program.
@matthewcncsutton52833 жыл бұрын
I also use that rain x on my lynx 2100 window so the coolant rolls off. It dont last but a day or two but it works!
@lwilton3 жыл бұрын
There used to be a form of Rain-X that was a stick that you rubbed on the windshield and then buffed with a damp rag, and it lasted quite a while. Maybe that stuff still exists as well as the squirty kind. Some sort of venturi suction should work for injecting it in the air line. Might be able to get a cheap Chinese coolant mister that you could adapt. Or of course just make something.
@richardnguyen6853 Жыл бұрын
wow he takes 1/4 of the roughing depth of the cut and the part sticks out over 18 inches long part weighs about 930 lbs without tail stock support it me feel nervous, but everything turned out okay on the first side operation, the second operation was a lot more easily feel more secure chucking than first,!!!
@nikolaiownz3 жыл бұрын
Good job Peter.
@amitanshupattanayak8373 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing all the raw video, your ideas are really helpful for me When I am machining something, Can you please show us something based on probing cycle on your mazatrol integrex
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
There is a video I did on some castings on the Mazak where I used the spindle probe. look at the play list Casting Tong Wrench. I think the Mazak Final Operation video may show that.
@amitanshupattanayak8373 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision thanks sir for your reply . Your way of solving problems always surprise me , please keep uploading,
@bigdaddy7670 Жыл бұрын
Well Done!
@mjshorty193 жыл бұрын
How often would you say you program machined chamfers on your milled features such as holes that are interpolated or things that are milled? I know in a previous comment you said you normally do not just because its an extra step to potentially scrap an expensive part and setting the tools up. On my parts i program i usually chamfer every feature that i can get to, although thats usually prodution work.
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
I think milling chamfers has its place. I have in the past done so. But if I’m not making but a few parts out of expensive material with no setup material. I will let the deburr guys take care of those corners.
@mjshorty193 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision fair enough. I just usually find that the machined chamfers result in a better looking part overall than hand done deburring but i dont work with the value of material you do. I usually have the luxury of a setup part to fine tune my chamfer and fillets and such.
@jerryglen9863 жыл бұрын
Can you purchase a rough casting closer to the dimensions? Or is it not possible? Is it cost effective to have a cut off pieces where you just mill them? Thank you for educating on the process of set ups, milling, and finishing a part.
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
Castings require patterns to make. For this small quantity it’s not cost effective. Also a casting in this case is not strong enough. The turning is faster than milling.
@topduk2 жыл бұрын
You can purchase a forging, just need a big lead time and lots of money.
@marc-antoinethebeautiful77143 жыл бұрын
We use 2x4 screw together in a T shape with different length with the tail stock. The same way ish celling drywall peoples would do to hold the drywall up in the air...
@m1stral6443 жыл бұрын
Sorry for my English as I use a translator. Could you tell me what cutting conditions you used when turning a part on such a "overhang". And how much allowance was removed in millimeters when trimming in one pass?
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
In inches it was for roughing speed 450 surface feet feed of .016” per rev depth of cut .250” per side or .50” off the diameter per pass. Finish cut speed 800 SFM at .005” feed. Insert Sumitomo CNMG 432 EMU grade 8025 for rough. For finish VBMT 332 same grade. You will have to convert the inches into mm if that’s what you use.
@m1stral6443 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision Thanks for the answer. I'm from Russia. And we all count in millimeters. Since we have a metric system of measurements. It is not much easier to relate different quantities. Much is simply done "in the mind." You have a very powerful machine. If it allows you to work with such feeds at such diameters. You can also ask, what is the clamping force on your cams, if it does not align parts with such an overhang?
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
@@m1stral644 Are you referring to the chuck? I am using a manual 4-jaw chuck. With the serrated hard jaws it holds the part very securely. I pretty much tighten the as tight as I can with a wrench around 1 meter long. As to pressure I don’t know.
@m1stral6443 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision I understand that you do not have a torque wrench? It's clear. Once again, thanks for the detailed answer.
@Cheeta6662 жыл бұрын
Do you have some thumb rule for material stick out ? Usually for 1 " lenght of chucking lenght i go up to 3xD of stick out , just curiois to compare with you! Nice vids, i have a e500h and listening to your videos helped me a lot in the starting of my own shop Thanks a lot
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! This would all depend on what kind of chuck and jaws. The size of the stock and speed I was turning. There really is no rule of thumb. If the stock was 1.0" in diameter I would have no problem sticking it out 6.0". But if it was 16" diameter. To stick it out even 24" (1.5-1) chucking on to only 1.0"? I would have to make sure of the way I chucked it. In a few of my videos I have turned a dovetail connection on the jaws and stock. This in combination with the manual 4-Jaw chuck is a very secure way of holding the stock with a short chuck length. This is a little harder to do with a Hydraulic chuck. Also Hydraulic chucks will lose chucking pressure with speed. Something a manual 4-Jaw chuck doesn't do. So you see there are a lot of variables to consider.
@Cheeta6662 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision yeah i got an hydraulic chuck i want to change it to a manual chuck for more grip, when i extend too long i reduce my parameters and max rpm but its a pain to never know if it will hold haha
@slamdunk61702 жыл бұрын
Use the ceramic coating that u apply with a small sponge to the camera lens It's for auto paint protection Works miracles on glass
@punishr362 жыл бұрын
Curious if there is a program or feature that will allow you to turn a dish face like a manual lathe was meant to. Cheers.
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
Yes with the cam software you can turn at any angle you want to. Use facing cuts turning cuts or even at a angle to the face. Now with modern software you can even turn with what I will call a trochoidal type of path. The feature doesn't change just the machining strategy of the cycle. If that makes sense. Generally I use turning cuts instead of facing on this machine if possible. This is easier on the insert and a little faster. Particularly on large diameter parts. The spindle doesn't change speed as fast as a small machine or go as high a rpm. So to maintain constant surface speed it ramps the spindle up and down on the facing cuts. When cutting this is harder on the tool. Also when it finishes the cut in the center at high rpm it rapids back to, in this case 16" in diameter. It has to wait for the spindle to slow down before it starts cutting.
@MortimerKadaver3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for yours knowledge!
@danielkalinowski59942 жыл бұрын
how come you didnt turn a register when you faced off? that would have been common sense? just wondering as you were on about trueness in the jaws yet you left the skin on. i usually skim how much im holding plus extra or the length of the part up to the jaws
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
I didn't have a lot of material on the OD for the next end. So I didn't want dents from the hard jaws on the finished OD. But even so. When chucking with the 4-jaw chuck serrated hard jaws, it really doesn't require a turned diameter. The rough stock as provided already was rough turned as well. Short explanation it would just be extra work that wasn't necessary. If a was chucking the part in a Hydraulic 3-jaw with soft jaws than I would have skimmed the OD for those jaws.
@raider16283 жыл бұрын
hey peter, your 418 sfm is that on your G96 line? Whats your G50 set to? same with your 750sfm
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
In low range the machine cant go over 460 Rpm So its really not a problem. But I set it at 500 for low I high range it depends on the part. If I'm taking a face cut on this part The first one with the whole stock I leave it in low range. But doing finish cuts when the part is lighter in weight I use high range. On the OD tools I limit it to 1000. On the ID tools I let it go to the maxim of 1600. Unless I'm in the steady rest than I would limit it to around 500. You can damage the bearing in the arms going to high a Rpm when holding bigger diameters in the steady rest boring a small ID.
@danstoica5843 жыл бұрын
you are the best, man!
@sky55213 жыл бұрын
Im just wondering , wouldn't it been better just to take a light skim of the OD on first OP? So it easier to make the part run true but i keep this videos up very nices to watch .
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
There wasn't a lot of stock on the OD of the rough bar in the area of the flange OD. I wanted to use the serrated hard jaws to grip the stock for the heavy roughing cuts. But this might put dents in the finish diameter of the flange. Also using a 4-jaw chuck the part still has to be indicated in anyway so it would not be that much easier to indicate in.
@stianjohnsen86223 жыл бұрын
how do you know that the material that you are making the part out of is "completely round" and that it will be able to get a low run out on the dial indicator?
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
If you turned a diameter it should be round. There are things that could influence this such as bad spindle bearings chuck pressure on a tubular part. But in general if the part is solid round bar and you turned it on your machine it is round. It should indicate round with no run-out if centered on the spindle.
@srijay69222 жыл бұрын
Am also a machinist....Good machining...precision dimensions..flange backside drill holes must me deburring..
@Chriss1203 жыл бұрын
for the spray idea: maybe you can get/make an adapter that functions with the venturi effect. might just be the perfect solution.
@Ninoy20593 жыл бұрын
I wonder why 6 thumbs down? Really!!!!!!!!!!. Great job man.
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
I know this, on a phone the little icons are very easy to accidentally touch the wrong one. So I choose to believe that happened. It's my lie I will tell it the way I want.
@chrismorton97363 жыл бұрын
Nice work !
@henrypostulart3 жыл бұрын
Dude, please don’t worry so much about what we nosy onlookers can see… the important thing is getting it right 👍
@franklinblazek253 жыл бұрын
For the rain x you could probably put in an inline air oiler
@jerrooney87143 жыл бұрын
This is probably a stupid question Peter but as I am not a machinist but have a interest in machines but anyway is it my imagination or dose the mazak speed up and slow down automatically when you are doing face cuts, and as you have just mentioned about the problem with the lens on the camera what would help for sure would be a ceramic coating to help clear the coolant away I am a car detailer and use it on finished cars to help the water run off, just a thought. Love the video's.
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
The glass lense cover in my case had a special coating just for that purpose. But it doesn’t last forever in the coolant. I bought the glass from Edmund scientific they work good for a little while. Last time I bought three of them about a year and a half ago. Yes when the machine is in the constant surface speed mode it will keep the surface speed constant up to a rpm limit you set or the maximum speed of the spindle.
@jerrooney87143 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision I don't know if it's the same stuff then because I have had cars in where the customer has had a go at applying a ceramic coating and made a mess and I have had to use 1500 grit wet and dry to remove what they have done and do it correctly, mind you I haven't ever subjected a car to the coolants you use either so there's that, your mazak is a very impressive machine and even though I only understand about 10% when you are talking and going through the programming I just listen and gradually it makes sense.
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
@@jerrooney8714 I would like to try it. Where can I get some.
@jerrooney87143 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision there are several available Peter I would pay between $80- $100 but bear in mind that one small bottle can go around a whole car twice I am in Dublin Ireland so don't know any detailer supplier near you the one I use is produced by a company in Holland called Cartech I am sure they would ship it to you but it might be easier to stay local anyone that is into cars would be able to point you in the right direction for sure. Its definitely worth a shot alongside the airblade, that was thinking outside of the box for sure, very simple but clever and it works very well.
@rizdalegend3 жыл бұрын
Crane test question. By loading it 125% are they looking for a failure? Or how do they test, deflection in the boom ?
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
I asked them if they ever had one fall down. They said yes. So I guess if it stays level/ vertical after the weight is removed it passes. That weight is out at the beams end by the way.
@KISSMYACE32033 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision at my old job they tested at 1.5x the capacity I'm fairly certain. All the welders had 1 ton cranes that were tested at 3k lb, 2 tons were at 6k lb. I could be mistaken though. But yeah they measured the amount of deflection at various points at the end of the beam with the full weight on/off.
@t.d.mich.70643 жыл бұрын
Why would you not take a light cut on the O.D. prior to turning part end for end? You know you have an issue with seating the part in the 4 jaw! For chamfering, I find an old Brace with a chamber tool in it works quickly and well.
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
I didn’t have a problem getting the face up against the jaws. I prefer to leave the rough OD the stock had. The jaws get a better grip on it.
@t.d.mich.70643 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision My thought was for concentricity and squareness to the machined surfaces.
@brucemillar30152 жыл бұрын
The original billet weight 900 lb, right? So, what did the finished part weigh?
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
In the previous video on this part it says in the thumbnail 133 lbs.
@fredygump55783 жыл бұрын
The Windex dispenser--just add a small venturi into your air line just before the air blade to automatically add the windex?. Or get an inline air oiler and fill it with windex?
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
The RainX works better than Windex. I think a air oiler in the air line to the camera might work.
@fredygump55783 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision I meant RainX......ooops.
@richardnguyen6853 Жыл бұрын
he set the boring bar bore to dept of cut is too close to hit the bar holder as I watch it make me nervous .but he is an excellent machinist he can do his own program which it he knows precisely what he doing, however, I like to work in the machine shop with this man, CNC Mazak fine axis you can start and complete part everything in one machine.!!!
@ikocheratcr3 жыл бұрын
Would the rain-x get mixed with the lubricant? Will it not be detrimental?
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
Possibly but I have been using it to clean the windows and spraying it on to clean the cameras lens window for years. I think there would be less used if a small controlled amount could be bled into the air line.
@jamespistorino17453 жыл бұрын
Love your videos. BTW, you have a hole in the right arm pit of your shirt. Being fashionable in the shop is important!
@ncut55473 жыл бұрын
Another awesome video thks it's lots of learning for someone who have no idea how to set something like that up ...O ya how's the pick up bed coming along ..
@EdgePrecision3 жыл бұрын
The truck is done. It occurred to me I never posed any photos of the finished truck. Go to my Instagram I will post some photos.