Machine Helical Flutes

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Edge Precision

Edge Precision

Ай бұрын

Machining the part and aa little about the programming necessary to do so.

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@wolfdude8085
@wolfdude8085 Ай бұрын
I program tool paths for helical bevel gears and other more complicate parts in ESPRIT for our HAAS 750 for almost 2 years now and your videos still teaching me lessons how to do proper, nice to watch, toolpaths. Thank you.
@decafbass8408
@decafbass8408 Ай бұрын
Here's a guy who knows what he's doing!
@fredygump5578
@fredygump5578 Ай бұрын
The comments about the ballnose cutter cutting on an angle was interesting to me. I use a lot of ballnose and tapered ball nose cutters on my 3 axis cnc router, and now I'm thinking I should increase the RPMs. Unfortunately I can't change the angle, but realizing that a ballnose is effectively a very small diameter tool in those situations may help me out!
@chrisp2614
@chrisp2614 Ай бұрын
I've watched your videos for years. youtube stopped showing your new videos for me and i couldn't remember your channel name but I finally found it.🔥🔥🔥
@mehmettemel8725
@mehmettemel8725 Ай бұрын
Always an interesting part getting machined never boring.
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 Ай бұрын
I saw in a book once a setup to mill a helix on a manual machine it was quite the deal to do manually. CNC really shines on a job like this.
@williamparry9314
@williamparry9314 Ай бұрын
Work of art.
@MR-yq5rj
@MR-yq5rj Ай бұрын
I love the camera angles! And the explanations and simulations are very interesting. Thanks and have a nice day .
@glennkamers
@glennkamers Ай бұрын
Looks good. Always impressed with you attention to details.
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown Ай бұрын
Hi Edge, your knowledge and experience are amazing, even though I have very very little cnc experience, equivalent to Zero....I am enthralled by the things you machine, best wishes from an old guy in Florida, Paul
@esmth
@esmth Ай бұрын
Awesome video and part! Thanks for the Esprit content! I was one of the ones that asked. I really enjoy hearing you discuss your machining strategy.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
On the vertical walls where the ball endmill was being used, yes. But on the diameter below them not really any better (in fact not as good) than the bull nosed endmill.
@NickRno77
@NickRno77 Ай бұрын
Just incredible work as usual Pete, thanks for sharing 👍👌🇬🇧🇺🇸🇺🇦
@Petrolhead99999
@Petrolhead99999 Ай бұрын
11:25 a good way to think of this is that the center of the tool is traveling nearly zero linear distance per revolution. Think of it like standing on the very center of a merry-go-round. This means that the chip load, no matter what the feed rate, has the tendency to explode to infinity. The absolute center is removing infinite material relative to its linear surface footage. There is also, as you mentioned, the issue of recutting the chips. Those fines will act like sand paper. We use some CNMG inserts for heavy roughing on 1040 at my shop. We are taking .130 DOC at ~.025 IPR. There is a brutal interrupted cut in the middle of the roughing. The inserts last about 35 parts with high pressure coolant, and 50 without. My theory is that it's the thermal shock induced during that interrupted cut, and the coolant makes this worse. In addition, the Sandvik inserts we use seem to behave better once the coating has some heat in it. In light cutting applications like this, I think about it like the process of burnishing... The metal has to be warm to be nice and ductile so that the tool and workpiece slick past each other. Im a junior machinist, still learning and I don't know a dang thing. Please let me know if there's anything I am thinking about incorrectly.
@rwc2504
@rwc2504 Ай бұрын
Very cool, in a twisted kind of way. Nice work
@raindeergames6104
@raindeergames6104 Ай бұрын
This is just soooooooo amazing. Man this really makes me dream big.
@lvxleather
@lvxleather Ай бұрын
Nice work dude 💯 I think you could program that with a subroutine, at least the roughing. I have been doing that using incremental H commands for the rotation angle instead of C. The coolant causes thermal cracking of the carbide because the insert is engaged in the material for that split second and isn't getting coolant until the chip curls away, and then it is exposed to the coolant again and rapidly cools. Like you said, it's better running dry with air blast maintaining a consistent temperature at the cutting edge. I get at least 4 times the tool life running dry like that. I also have a Mitsubishi index-able I use for steel, VP15 grade I think, it kicks ass.
@jimsvideos7201
@jimsvideos7201 Ай бұрын
What it is I have no idea but it'd make a nice conversation piece. Thank you as always for the insight.
@smalltownrifleman
@smalltownrifleman Ай бұрын
It’s a downhole casing reamer. They will apply carbide to the exterior of those flutes and incorporate it into the drill string so it opens the hole enough to run casing into the bore.
@mbainrot
@mbainrot Ай бұрын
8:56 that camera angle maaate, that is awesome
@MillVIPCNC
@MillVIPCNC Ай бұрын
Un vídeo más mostrando trabajos excelentes, donde se ve la experiencia, gracias por compartir!
@theorangebaron1595
@theorangebaron1595 Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing as always. Tricky part with the ball endmill…
@SomeGuyInSandy
@SomeGuyInSandy Ай бұрын
That's a cool looking part!
@theinvestinghouse
@theinvestinghouse Ай бұрын
Great video, great part!
@ronaldrolka-py5yy
@ronaldrolka-py5yy Ай бұрын
Thank you for your time 👍
@rolandolievanoagudelo.5112
@rolandolievanoagudelo.5112 Ай бұрын
Excelente trabajo. Maestro.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
¡Gracias!
@bigdaddy7670
@bigdaddy7670 Ай бұрын
Amazing Peter! I think you get work that everyone else "No Quotes"
@gwharton68
@gwharton68 Ай бұрын
Beautiful piece. Would make a great door stop.
@nicokempf1982
@nicokempf1982 Ай бұрын
A good door opener, too.
@amitanshupattanayak837
@amitanshupattanayak837 Ай бұрын
Superb work,
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown Ай бұрын
Outstanding....
@brantonbeall9061
@brantonbeall9061 Ай бұрын
Great job as always! I’m quite certain this is used as a downhole drilling tool. If so you are correct that the reamers (ribs) will be hardfaced with tungsten or something specific to the conditions of the well being drilled.
@pasimiettinen2478
@pasimiettinen2478 Ай бұрын
Thanks, lot of useful info here
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown Ай бұрын
that part looks like a Sinusoidal Turboencabulator
@ianm1470
@ianm1470 Ай бұрын
Yes ~ I was thinking that also 👍🏻
@jdgower1
@jdgower1 Ай бұрын
I see what you did there... But I don't think this was made for Rockwell Automation. Note the total lack fannular vanes.
@subhashk941
@subhashk941 Ай бұрын
Very nice machine 👍👍
@soaphelps
@soaphelps Ай бұрын
that is a sweet looking pattern that roughing pass left.
@TrPrecisionMachining
@TrPrecisionMachining Ай бұрын
very very good video Peter
@icey_b1562
@icey_b1562 Ай бұрын
This would be a good job for circle segment / accelerated finishing tools.
@TheGreasemonkey76
@TheGreasemonkey76 Ай бұрын
Great video. It's really great to see somebody doing similar work. I also use ESPRIT and helical flight part but contoured so no flat bottom face. But we are limited to a VNC535 with rotary. Hopefully, we can get some intergrex 200 soon! Is the wall a vertical 'ish'? Look into the free form scarf cycle with solid EM. Maybe get more consistent finish side to side, possible cycle time reduction.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
Yes I think it could be done with a 1.0” diameter ball mill.
@gerrit2107
@gerrit2107 Ай бұрын
Nice vid as always :) Have you ever tried running a program from the HDD directly? I’ve run a 3 axis mazak with the 640M control and if your had a program on the HDD, you could run it using Tape mode instead of memory mode, I think you need to use a program number that’s not in memory for it to work. Also a disadvantage is that you can’t see the current line the control is on as it seems to kind of drip feed it internally. If you do it correctly you should get a red HDD (I think) icon in the bottom right corner of the screen next to the green TPS(I think again, it’s been a while :) ) Thanks for the great content
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
It seems like I tried this in the past and it would not work. Be that as it may. I kind of like running smaller programs and being able to restart them and seeing the program. I have run drip feed on the horizontal and my Haas in the garage.
@mjshorty19
@mjshorty19 Ай бұрын
Just as an FYI if you didn't already know, you can put a main program in the machines memory that just has an M98 with the program number of the actual program you want to run and it will go grab the main much larger one out of the hard drive of the machine with the actual toolpaths which is much larger and run it that way. I do it all the time with my 15+ MB surfacing programs that I want to do all at once in my 2MB mazak controller. It does not seem to affect the reading speed of the code at all and lets you fit extremely large programs and run them all at once
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
What controller does your machine have?
@mjshorty19
@mjshorty19 Ай бұрын
@@EdgePrecision I have a smart, matrix, matrix 2 and smooth. It seems to work on all of the ones that I have.
@mjshorty19
@mjshorty19 Ай бұрын
@@EdgePrecision give it a shot and see if maybe it works on yours too, I know it's a little older generation control but if it does work it makes life a lot easier. Also you can try using a G65 so it searches the whole memory instead of M98 if that doesn't work.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
Seems like I tried this in the past and it wouldn’t work on my control. I think mine needs that special drive card you insert in the control next to the monitor. But I may try it again just to make sure. But really it only takes a minute to change programs. If I was running a lot of parts it may be worth it.
@mjshorty19
@mjshorty19 Ай бұрын
@@EdgePrecision that's true, I run much more production parts of at minimum 100 pieces so the program changes would get annoying but given your style of parts and quantity it probably wouldn't make much difference. Just thought I'd throw the idea out if you never had tried it. Keep up the great videos!
@liamrobertson7265
@liamrobertson7265 Ай бұрын
I get the feeling if I did a job like this I would constantly break everything. tools, machines,parts myself!!
@JosephColihan
@JosephColihan Ай бұрын
Awesome thank you. What B Axis angle did you use to surface the flutes with the ball end mill ?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
The B axis was at 75 degrees for the back one and 76 for the front.
@IamCNC-1
@IamCNC-1 20 күн бұрын
TECHNOLOGY IS GREAT
@spadeace2648
@spadeace2648 Ай бұрын
the axes of the machine must be treated and the b-axis must be straight. Otherwise the surfaces will not meet and there will be stairs. Wonderful work.👍
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
If I'm understanding what you are saying? What most people don't consider when milling an OD like this with a regular endmill. The tool is cutting on its center unlike when milling flat surfaces a standard endmill when facing is just cutting on the edge of the tips, because most endmills have an intentional dish of 1-1.5 degrees on their tips. So on an OD they will not leave even a flat while going down the helical spiral. There will be a hump in the middle. If you mill around the OD just feeding the C axis this will be even more pronounced. Unless you had a special endmill ground with a flat tip. So a standard spiral wrapped pocketing cycle wont leave a nice finish on the C axis moves. Now the way I did it isn't exactly perfect either, but with the .125 tip radius on a .500 diameter tool it is in effect milling with a .250 diameter tool. The big tip radius blends together the individual passes to leave a better finish then a .250 endmill would leave.
@user-kp6ee6wv1b
@user-kp6ee6wv1b Ай бұрын
Have you tried the Helical, or similar, lens form end mills? I tried some a couple weeks a go, it was super nice to have a 1/2" tool with a 1" radii lens tip.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
No I have not used any of that style of endmills.
@aintdatsnipes177
@aintdatsnipes177 Ай бұрын
B axis work ain't cheap, drillers only ones that can afford it.
@CNCMatrix
@CNCMatrix Ай бұрын
I agree with everything except taking finish cuts without coolant. I run all milling tools "dry" with AIR blast and finish using coolant. Maybe with that particular tool you have or something it doesn't work well, but otherwise in every single scenario I run coolant. If you try to run feed mills or high speed machining (profit milling in esprit) without good air blast, the amount of heat generated breaks down the coating on the inserts and they fail. At least that's been my experience
@kisspeteristvan
@kisspeteristvan Ай бұрын
Hello mr Peter . Nice flutes . Can we get a short video on the Hotel project update ?
@kisspeteristvan
@kisspeteristvan Ай бұрын
and generally an update on what's up , how are you doing ...etc.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
I am going to Mexico toward the end of this month. When I get back the beginning of next month I will do an update on it. Thanks!
@marcinkotao8702
@marcinkotao8702 Ай бұрын
What kind of software you are using? PS: thank you for choosing Poland chuck :)
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
Esprit TNG.
@mofosheee01
@mofosheee01 9 күн бұрын
Hello. Very informative. How would you approach an internal cut of this? Thank you
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 9 күн бұрын
It would need to be done with some kind of angle heads. I did a video called “Running a test part with the EL Tool” something like that.
@jimsvideos7201
@jimsvideos7201 Ай бұрын
Would a foot of extra stock on the blank - to improve access - help? For a part that involved surely the cost of it would be marginal.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
I have done parts in the past where I made a fixture to extend it out supported by the steady rest. That way I could tip the B axis both ways. But for one part it just isn't worth it.
@jimsvideos7201
@jimsvideos7201 Ай бұрын
@@EdgePrecision Right, but what about a longer piece of stock, part off what's left when you're done?
@user-kp6ee6wv1b
@user-kp6ee6wv1b Ай бұрын
Question, on the opposite problem wall surface, the operation made the ball tool almost perpendicular to the surface, using the tip of the ball as you stated, isn't there a setting or process that would have made the tool perpendicular to the cylinder, or turning axis instead, and then allow a slight offset setting from that. Just curious.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
The cycle I used can be set at any angle. But in this case to get up to the chuck end I will have a collision. So I was using these angles for that reason. If I set the part more extended away from the chuck I could have done that.
@anthonylegate8678
@anthonylegate8678 Ай бұрын
Does the mazak control use G12.1 (polar interpolation) to interpolate the c and y axis? And possibly show some of the g-code?? Thanks ive learned a lot from your videos.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
Yes the Mazak will do all that. I’m not at the shop right now. But when I’m back I will find a program I used that on and post an example of the code.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
Here is an example of a tool using this this on my Mazak. Generated by Esprit TNG cam software. Hope this helps. ********************************************************** T16.01 T51 M6 (#16.01 ROUGH .50 4FL .015 RAD) (.500 4FL CARB .030 TIP RAD) G90 G53 X15.35 Y-12.5 G90 G53 Z0. G10.9 X0 M200 G97 S4000 M3 G54 M108 M212 G0 B0. C97.5158 M107 G68 X0. Y0. Z0. I0. J1. K0. R0 G43 H16 Z1. M8 X1.0444 Y0. G91 G17 X C G90 G12.1 (This Is the code for Polar Coordinate Interpolation) Z-.985 G1 G94 Z-1.015 F50. G3 X.9883 C-.043 I-.0066 J-.0496 F32. G1 X.954 C-.3029 G2 X.9441 C-.3016 I-.005 J.0007 G1 X.9975 C.1036 G3 X.9876 C.1049 I-.005 J.0006 ***********Skip to end of tool********** X-.358 C.9567 G2 X-.3287 C1.021 I.0468 J.0175 S3500 G0 X-.9759 C.9984 G1 G41 X-1.0106 C.7357 F21. X.0785 C.592 X-.1631 C-1.2393 G40 X.0996 C-1.274 Z-.985 F50. G0 Z1. G13.1 (This is canceling Polar Interp.) G69 M9 G53 X15.35 Y-12.5 G53 Z0.
@anthonylegate8678
@anthonylegate8678 Ай бұрын
Thanks this is helpful, curious though the G68 (plane rotation?) With the J1. What is that for.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
Actually it isn't necessary. It's there because I selected to rotate it in in the cycle. Whenever you see the letters I,J,K in a G-code program they are corresponding to X,Y,Z. So the G68 X0. Y0. Z0. I0. J1. K0. R0 Line X0.Y0,Z0 is the rotation center point and the I,J,K are defining the rotation line from the rotation center point. In this case in J 1.0 for the Y axis. But as I said this rotation doesn't really rotate anything from the normal XY plane. Because the R value is zero. For milling on the OD for instance the R would be 90.0. That would mean you would also index the B axis to 90 as well and be milling like a vertical mill but X plus is toward the chuck. As if you were standing behind a vertical mill. Because the rotation is at 90.0 degrees. Does that make sense?
@anthonylegate8678
@anthonylegate8678 Ай бұрын
@EdgePrecision ok, yes, that makes sense thanks. One more question... I am currently running a V.T.L with live tooling and have been using g12.1 to program c and x axis milling tool paths. But we have recently purchased a horizontal lathe with a y axis and do not have a post processor to support the y axis yet. So do you think it would be possible to to write a program using g12.1 with c and x and then change all the c's to y's and just interpolate the x and y because with g12.1 active it converts the c axis from degrees to absolute numbers? Forgive me if this is a silly question but I do not have much 4th and 5th axis experience. Any advice on y axis programing would be greatly appreciated because Trying to write by hand is not going to well lol. Thanks again!
@charlesballiet7074
@charlesballiet7074 Ай бұрын
just what kind of machine/jobs uses a end mill thats over a foot in diameter?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
I'm not even aware of a end mill 12" in diameter. When they get that large they are usually referred to as face mills.
@David-xo8ci
@David-xo8ci Ай бұрын
About the collision problem, do these machines not have safe limits? I run an Okuma lathe, and it allows you to simply set a limit to where the turret is allowed to go, and it will not go any further than that. Mind you, I've never worked with Mazak or, sadly, with one of these lathes with a milling head, so I might be completely off here.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
Yes these can be set. But that still doesn’t allow you to machine the part.
@Some_Beach
@Some_Beach Ай бұрын
I want this job
@natebrown5588
@natebrown5588 Ай бұрын
Can you show the code for the wrap milling portion just as an example?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
The code for wrapped contour that the cam software generates is really very simple. For instance the finish floor passes on this part. The machine while in the middle of the pass is only moving two axis. The Z and the C axis. The X,Y and B axis are not moving once posistioned. You just get the allusion watching it that it’s more than that. Your brain processes it like the machine is traveling down a helix but it’s just going in a straight line (the Z axis) and rotating the C axis to match the lead. The cam software just figures out where that is.
@PundhyLuzino
@PundhyLuzino Ай бұрын
Sangat hebat
@theessexhunter1305
@theessexhunter1305 Ай бұрын
Flute Peter
@user-kp6ee6wv1b
@user-kp6ee6wv1b Ай бұрын
Hey Peter, gotten any news on the retirement place? Time frame yet?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
Getting closer but not quite there. We’re going there next month. I should have an update after that.
@4GSR
@4GSR Ай бұрын
Another oil tool part. Lol!!! Stabilizer sleeve for something....
@DudelPaul
@DudelPaul Ай бұрын
Do you think the Mazak was your last Mashine? How about a new one? :)
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
I still have the ones in my garage at home.
@Donkusdelux
@Donkusdelux Ай бұрын
Howdy Peter, How much does this machine weigh?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
I'm sorry but I don't know for sure. Monday I can look in the manual.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
The serial tag on the machine says 61,933 Lbs.
@Donkusdelux
@Donkusdelux Ай бұрын
@@EdgePrecision wow she's a heavy girl! Must have been quite the task moving her in
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
@@Donkusdelux Yes but it was all done by the riggers I hired.
@mateuszordakowski7414
@mateuszordakowski7414 Ай бұрын
How you measure a endmill ? If its not full diameter? Like 7.8 mm. ?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
With a micrometer.
@mateuszordakowski7414
@mateuszordakowski7414 Ай бұрын
@@EdgePrecision so ur mazak dont have option to rotary measure end mill ? And other tools
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
@@mateuszordakowski7414 The machine does have a laser tool setter. But it has never functioned sense I have owned the machine. It also has a tool setter arm. It is so difficult to use because it is very high up above the spindle. It is easer to manually to touch off the tools for me. But even on machines that I have used a tool setter on. I never use them to set endmills diameter. I just measure the diameter with a micrometer.
@kevinmilne2966
@kevinmilne2966 Ай бұрын
This can also be done on a manual machine
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Ай бұрын
Yes in different ways with a rotary attachment geared to the table.
@tansit2344
@tansit2344 Ай бұрын
Oh there's other lonely Esprit 20XX/TNG/Edge users out there watching 😉
@highprecisioneyeballing
@highprecisioneyeballing Ай бұрын
Ahhhh yes, the machine's memory capacity. We own a small 4-axis Mazak, which has 8Mbs of memory after it was upgraded from 2Mbs! With modern 3d adaptive strategies it is far too little. I do not understand why is it such a problem and why a controller worth like 20k USD does not have let's say 1Gb of memory? It's ridiculous!
@bernhardschuepbach4533
@bernhardschuepbach4533 Ай бұрын
Yeah, its ridiculous... and its mostly Mazak or Fanuc. They have these useless, artificially limits that have absoluelty no reason for the last 20 years...
@mz4637
@mz4637 Ай бұрын
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@MassholeMachinist
@MassholeMachinist Ай бұрын
How are you liking Esprit Edge for Millturn? We've been struggling to transition from the 20XX series to edge due to under developed factors in our specific machines.
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