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@ayankga2 жыл бұрын
Really steve? Thermaltake the tower ads? 😂
@oisnowy53682 жыл бұрын
What about lower-end CPU's matched to lower-end GPU's? Take a Pentium or an i3 and an i7 (just for comparison) and match it to a nVidia 1030 or Radeon 6500. And just plain IGP? That would be the real perspective.
@bonnome22 жыл бұрын
Great about the budget amd cpus! Could you maybe also look at power consumption next time? These cpus are great for simple home server setup and idle power consumption can make a big difference
@3polygons2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love your reviews about the cheapest stuff, specially that which can actually be functional for some users. A great service for a big chunk of the population (specially at some countries) who can only afford that, also amazing for its usual super low power consumption (amazing for the environment). And great for even those with very slightly deeper pockets, to at least know what these things are capable of; knowing these are an option of x and y stuff is super useful in many levels.
@shaneeslick2 жыл бұрын
G'day Steve, For a Low Budget Gaming PC build the RX6500XT now has a use case with the G7400 supporting PCIeX16-Gen5. Would it be possible to do a PC build 'template' video with the G7400+H610+RX6500XT like the R3 3300X+B550 one you did Jun 18, 2020? Although I think Intel missed with G6900 + G7400 by not upgrading them to 2C/4T & 4C/4T respectively, but then they do seem to live by the "Don't need to, so why should we" business model that is rampant throughout the PC Industry.
@Madmeerkat552 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad there's some low end options that aren't COMPLETE gutter trash again, though the 12100 is probably still the metric to beat
@sbajansheusj2 жыл бұрын
Lol it works good w a 3060ti. This works perfectly
@GamersNexus2 жыл бұрын
The 12100 for sure sets the bar for value! The performance for the price is crazy good at that level still and doesn't tip into diminishing returns until higher up the stack. The Pentium is an OK starter for someone who really can't afford higher, though!
@sbajansheusj2 жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus It works at 95% gpu usage with my 3060ti. Pentium is like the i7-4700
@butifarras2 жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus at that point why are you building new? Just buy an used office PC
@firstname43372 жыл бұрын
is the 12100 better than the i5-10400 ? the i5-10400F on amazon right now for $127 and the i5-10400 at microcenter for $129
@lupomikti2 жыл бұрын
I genuinely still can't believe I got the 1600AF at $85, it's been serving me well for my first build the past 2 years and I can still upgrade to a 5000 series chip later on with pretty much no issues.
@sbajansheusj2 жыл бұрын
good job bro but pentium better
@GamersNexus2 жыл бұрын
The 1600AF was such an insanely good CPU! Too bad it didn't last long at that price, but awesome that you got one!
@sbajansheusj2 жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus Got mine for $60
@cldpt2 жыл бұрын
I'll one-you-up: I got a 2600X for 125 euro, sold it for 120 after 6 months during the pandemic :P and can still upgrade to a 5900x or 5950x on my B450! (I did upgrade to a 3800x for 256 euro on a big sale but I should probably sell it now before they really start not making sense to sell at 230'ish in my region... Although I do benefit from the extra threads in WFH compiling Linux kernels and whatnot so the price will not be an issue by then)
@JK-gm6kk2 жыл бұрын
Am4 socket is where it's at
@DrearierSpider12 жыл бұрын
It's a real shame Pentiums haven't moved to 4C/4T. It's just not worth the saving to downgrade from an i3, which is obviously substantially more powerful.
@GLDragon932 жыл бұрын
Remember the g4560? It made the i3 6100 pointless for the budget gamer, such a great cpu at the time.
@DrearierSpider12 жыл бұрын
@@GLDragon93 Well technically the i3 6100 is Skylake and the G4560 is Kaby Lake, so you didn't have the option of the latter when that i3 launched. The Pentiums of the Skylake generation were still 2C/2T, too. But ya, the G4560 was a solid chip for the price back in its day. That said, I'd still put the R5 1600 AF at $85 as the best budget CPU of all time (at least since I started paying attention to PC gaming).
@depth3862 жыл бұрын
I hear you but I also think it’s nice to have diversity, this is the ultimate “i just need to open windows and an excel spreadsheet” chip. However I will say I don’t know why they bother to have so many SKUs of this with Celeron that suck even more.
@quintoblanco87462 жыл бұрын
The Pentium range should be used with the iGPU for things that are not gaming in a budget system. I bought one and use it with 8GB of RAM and a 250GB SSD. It's a cheap system that works really well with MS Office and Photoshop. For this system the extra two cores would not make a difference. But here's the fun part: with a 50$ secondhand card, it will play old games well.
@StaelTek2 жыл бұрын
i said it in the Celeron review. Celeron should be 2c/4t and Pentium should be 4c/4t CPU's to even remain relevant. 2c/2t CPU's in 2022 is such a joke and is so 2009.
@SalemTechsperts2 жыл бұрын
As a shop owner, I love seeing budget CPU competition. I get a lot of customers that want to game but just don't have the money to spend on something "decent". When you're poor, you're left in the dust when it comes to PC gaming (and everything else), so this chip is great news. Thanks for the review!
@SB-pf5rc2 жыл бұрын
'a budget porsche is a used porsche' I see where you're coming from as a vendor, but for consumers... at a certain point it makes more sense to buy older or used hardware. 2 kickass cores hit the price point, but it's a solution for lightly threaded office work or a media center. You and this review aren't focused on the low $ consumer's choices.
@shaneeslick2 жыл бұрын
The G7400 + 16GB-DDR4 + RX6500XT would make a great New 1080p build, just need Motherboards to be cheaper
@SalemTechsperts2 жыл бұрын
@@SB-pf5rc I'm a huge proponent of having consumers save money by buying used high-end hardware, and I have a few videos on my channel that reflect this. I made a video comparing a brand new Dell laptop that cost $300, to a Lenovo ThinkPad from 2013 that cost $250, and why I think the ThinkPad is a better choice. But unfortunately the sad reality I've come to learn is that some customers refuse to buy anything that's used, even if they can't afford anything decent. The fact that this is a brand new processor that is cheap and offers fairly good performance, is great for those consumers who absolutely feel the need to buy something new. Would I recommend it over an i7 or it from a few years ago? Absolutely not. But if the customer insists on something new and has a set budget then I would consider this as an option.
@flameshana92 жыл бұрын
@@SalemTechsperts I never understood this logic. "I'm dirt poor but I demand a *brand new* computer with the *newest hardware.* Over the coming months I will *also* buy a dozen games at $50 each." Like come on. Avoid buying ONE game and suddenly you'll get double the performance or more from buying a better used machine. But then again how often do you find people who _aren't_ bad with their money.
@nadirjofas31402 жыл бұрын
Nah, just get a 10105f.
@Zosu222 жыл бұрын
This will do great in office PCs. For gamers though, the i3 12100 is probably the minimum that should be considered.
@sbajansheusj2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but this CPU works great with my 3060ti.
@steel58972 жыл бұрын
@@sbajansheusj uh what? 3060 ti should be paired with like an i5 12400 or 5600x lol ideally, that card can easily push 120+ FPS in modern games.
@sbajansheusj2 жыл бұрын
@@steel5897 This Cpu allows me to keep my gpu at 95%
@mastroitek2 жыл бұрын
I have an i3 6100 in my office pc, honestly for those tasks it feels almost as fast as my gaming pc which has a 7700k (both system run with sata SSDs), this pentium is gonna rock for home/office systems!!
@normified2 жыл бұрын
@@sbajansheusj talk about a bottleneck
@DrearierSpider12 жыл бұрын
The Pentium G4560 was only ever celebrated as much as it was because it featured the same 2C/4T configuration as the i3's of that generation (including the unbelievably stupid Core i3 7350K for triple the price). When the i3's have double the cores, threads, and cache for $20-$40 more, the Pentiums suddenly look stupid.
@Lobstersarefabulouz2 жыл бұрын
G4560 was my first cpu. Was a heck of a value back then. Together with the 1050 ti it was perfect for 1080p on a budget
@mytech67792 жыл бұрын
Really I don't see these as intended for home desktops beyond the Walmart prebuilts scamming retired folks who sort of remember Pentium being top end. Rather these seem more suited to task specific single board systems where a customer is buying hundreds of units since this class tend to be $200 boxes, $30 is a substantial percentage of the total price. Power consumption (for heat and battery backups) may also be an issue but mobile cpus would likely dominate electrical efficiency both for equivalent price point and compute-power point.
@Verpal2 жыл бұрын
In my market if you buy I3 12100F with a motherboard realistically we are just talking about $5 - $10 dollar difference here.... it even have a better iGPU (if you are willing to pay another $5 for 12100 that is).
@ReZhorw2 жыл бұрын
The G4560 still runs strong in my moms home office PC
@John__K2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, 20 more bucks for double fps? Easy choice.
@alex846322 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this channel's coverage of lower-end/budget-constrained parts, and the frankness of their limitations.
@Thermalions2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. The assumption from many other channels that all their (important) viewers can drop thousands on a PC/Upgrade shows a level of being either out of touch or not caring for viewers that probably aren't supporting them via patreon etc.
@Kiporino2 жыл бұрын
I have i5 7400, op cpu
@AgentSmith9112 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to include older high end CPUs such as the FX-8350 or 2700K just to see if these newer low ends can beat the older high ends. But the 2700X will have to do 😁👍🏻
@GewelReal2 жыл бұрын
FX were obsolete before they even launched 2600K* is on its last legs
@saricubra28672 жыл бұрын
@@GewelReal I always found the 2600K kinda overrated besides the OC headroom. Stock for stock, i7-4700MQ (which is a laptop processor) can get the same perfomance at stock, but 3-4 times lower power consumption, with AVX2 instructions and way better iGPU. Haswell IPC is kinda big vs Sandy Bridge.
@whohan7792 жыл бұрын
@@saricubra2867 Sandy Bridge was mostly good vs. the Core2's, the dualcore and/or low-clocked non-HEDT i5's and every AMD-competition to come for about six years. It's direct successor Ivy Bridge brought PCIe 3.0 and better DDR3 clocks + efficiency, but also lower CPU clocks and non-soldered IHS. Therefore, yes, Haswell was clearly a step up in later revisions with extreme cooling / delid or on HEDT (where it was still soldered), but Sandy Bridges clock advantage was actually noteworthy. With Sky Lake though (especially through the revival of non-K-OC) Sandy Bridge was delegated just a lower cost alternative.
@ProcessedDigitally11 ай бұрын
couldn't have said it any better bro @@GewelReal
@circan12 жыл бұрын
Just bought an i3-10105F for $68 from Microcenter. These Celeron and Pentiums are barely competitive considering price alone, but with fewer cores and lower clocks fails the test
@GamersNexus2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Great price on that. Maybe we should get that one in as well.
@ab-lymphocite54642 жыл бұрын
I forget those things are that cheap. The one area of concern is prices in SA, Asia, etc. Core processors are marked up waaay more than msrp there and there isn't a 2ndary market to push prices down. But at least in the US if you can get it for that price and can't afford a 12100, then that is def the play/
@paintbrushpanda98022 жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus Not much point doing a separate review piece when a 10100 review already exists, outside of changing conclusions given lower prices, lack of budget Ryzen options now, and availability of the B560 chipset for unlocked RAM. It's just a 10100 clocked 100MHz higher with a black stock cooler.
@TheSektor132 жыл бұрын
I agree. Don't know why anybody would buy new pentium with expensive motherboard if you can get 10100F (10105f) for cheaper if you include motherboard price. At least in Europe.
@ab-lymphocite54642 жыл бұрын
@@TheSektor13 If it was a slightly higher end part I could at least see wanting to be on the new pcie and ddr, but yeah for a Pentium that point is dubious.
@monke23612 жыл бұрын
It's amazing how just 2 threads make the Celeron and Pentium perform so differently, literally everything uses at least 4 threads now
@yasins4492 жыл бұрын
there's this interesting looking cpu cooler called alseye m90. appreciate it if you guys could review it and compare it to the other coolers you have tested until now. great job on the video as always
@drafecito2 жыл бұрын
I love this channel, it's one of the few important pc ones that look at these budget options with the right mindset, let alone review them. Thanks steve and the rest of the team, especially where I live, even an i3 is expensive (south america)
@ProjectPhysX2 жыл бұрын
The G7400 is just powerful enough to update the BIOS to install a faster CPU
@BonusCrook2 жыл бұрын
Why buy a G7400 just to update bios, its not like raptor lake is out? Also PCMR elitism, guess they only had 15s to think of a joke lol
@dano13072 жыл бұрын
@@BonusCrook Its a joke bro
@hairychesticles12 жыл бұрын
i3 over this is a no brainer
@BonusCrook2 жыл бұрын
All depends on price, if some dude finds one of these for $60 and pairs it with a cheap $80 board then more power to them.
@christopherwood22902 жыл бұрын
@@BonusCrook You ever hear of the word "sarcasm"?
@noxplague2 жыл бұрын
It seems like the bigger issue at play here are the 12th gen Intel motherboard prices. Sure you can get an okay performing CPU for $86 but good luck finding a motherboard to use a 12th gen Intel part that isn't complete trash for less than $100, and it needs to be DDR4 to make sense.
@shaneeslick2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, here in Australia the cheapest reasonable (has a VRM Heatsink) Motherboard is the Gigabyte B660M GAMING DDR4 currently at $159AUD but normal price is $199AUD The cheapest reasonable one not on sale is ASUS PRIME H610M-A D4 $179AUD which is the same price as the i3-12100F
@roknroller60522 жыл бұрын
Yeah seen tons of examples of used b450 -x570 5600x For the same or less than a 12400. And 2600x b450 For $150 would obliterated this Pentium lol
@EyefyourGf2 жыл бұрын
Sub 140 mobos are all trash sadly.
@danramone98362 жыл бұрын
@@roknroller6052 you're disregarding the fact that the integrated graphics plays a part of the decision
@Choralone4222 жыл бұрын
Interesting to see the benefit w/ games 2c/4t gives vs 2c/2t. However, if you're building a PC and can't afford an i3 vs the G7400 then I'm sure you also cannot afford a GPU that's good enough to push either of those CPUs unless you're migrating an existing card to a new build.
@FactLOCO2 жыл бұрын
Exactly my thoughts. Plus, if you place a crappy GPU according to a realistic poor man's gaming pc scenario, it is going to be the bottleneck, and the results would be completely different.
@Ghozer2 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see these lower chips compared to 'previous' higher-end, like the i5/7 7x00/8x00 series etc, if people on 'older' tech are considering a cheaper upgrade, then improve later ;)
@AwSomeNESSS2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating seeing almost perfect scaling between the Pentium and the Core i3. This more than anything else should illustrate how games are now expecting at least 6 threads, if not the 8 of the i3.
@Spido68_the_spectator2 жыл бұрын
Given how the i3 nearly maxes out in many games, we are in the age of 6 core chips. They are now number 1 on steam hardware survey
@caramelldansen22042 жыл бұрын
Love low-end gaming. Takes me back to _trying_ to game on a prebuilt with an A10-6700 and a GT210 from like 2011...
@tracerghost002 жыл бұрын
2 core processors are incredibly limited and when most people will eventually want the extra headroom a 4 core would offer. Multitasking and gaming require more cores to swap applications or even just reduce bottlenecking. The 10100f is currently no more than 100$ and I wish you guys would have put it in the comparison chart but the 12100f is around 110$ so 20$ more for a massive performance increase is much more worth it. The notion that this would help save money should not be pushed so much given that in the past these pentium processors and even the athlon processors were 50-60$ and motherboards were less than 75$. The 12th gen cheapest H board is 110$ and the cheapest 10th gen board is 90$ while amd's got the A520 for 75$. Maybe amd or intel should be pushing to make cheap 4 core processors rather than cutting down to 2 but honestly if I were a ryzen 1200 owner or a 10100F owner I would be golden compared to this G7400.
@JirayD2 жыл бұрын
Amd is launching some of those CPUs today(?). The lineup has a 4C/8T Zen2 CPU in this price range.
@boshumok63992 жыл бұрын
I think the G7400 matches or beats an R3 1200. It matches the multi-thread performance, and has 50%+ higher single core performance.
@AlfaPro13372 жыл бұрын
I think you're missing the point here, and the entire video. Your thinking is: 1. You're a gaming and you wanna stream 2. You're running Spotify and apps at the back Here's my perspective, since I initially started my own budget PC with i3-2100 and 550 Ti, JUST to play BF3, that PC was solely for gaming only, TF2, CSGO, MMORPG, etc. That system was purposed built for gaming, even GN said that this is suitable for gaming only. Granted that back then, streaming wasn't a thing, but it was available since I have iGPU. Yet, before starting up the game, I fully know that multi-tasking is 50-50, depending on the games. While there's micro-stuttering due to age of the 550 Ti, I was really surprised a year later that I barely getting at stuttering and was playable at 1080p Medium, due to driver optimisations. The reason I upgraded to a i5-3330 and Z77 board was, the demands and I forsee that I might get Xeon E3 4c/8t or i7 2600K second hand and plop it in the future--which it happened, unfortunately for a short while, as the motherboard died on me that I had to upgrade to i7-6700K.
@SSJfraz2 жыл бұрын
@@AlfaPro1337 Nothing about your comment addresses why you think they're missing the point. I think it's a very valid point. an i3-10100f will do a better job at everything (not just gaming) compared to this Pentium.
@AlfaPro13372 жыл бұрын
@@SSJfraz Did you even read? You are GAMING ONLY. The bar is set pretty low if you aiming to GAME ONLY or really build it to run that game at decent framerate and timing. Even if you are going for 10th gen with 400 series (H410) board, you are pretty much dead end, no 11th gen support and maybe up 10600. Board vendors messed up 10/11th support, not Intel's fault this time, nearly half of the board on all tier B460, H410, H470 and Z490 doesn't support 11th gen due to the way board vendor wire out the PCH.
@WELSHYTECH2 жыл бұрын
im really getting into watching your videos since christmas last year keep up the great work steve
@edgara.m.47662 жыл бұрын
Steve! Can you take a look at the Antec NX700 mid tower case? I got one recently for a build for my brother and its.. very bad and it freaking started smoking, burning the fan cable. Needless to say.. it would be an interesting video 👀
@mortenmoulder2 жыл бұрын
Would be nice to include some transcoding benchmarks in these reviews, because of Intel's amazing iGPU. This one would be perfect (on paper) for something like a cheap Plex server, which should be able to transcode a couple of 4K streams easily (again, on paper). However, nobody has done the benchmarks IIRC.
@neal12562 жыл бұрын
I started online gaming in 1999 with Asheron's Call. I went from buying prebuilt rubbish to building my own gaming PCs. Fast forward to 2006...I went 100% to MacOS. I now use a M1 Max MBP and playing EVE Online, other MacOS games and games via Steam and GeForce Now. However, I always watch your KZfaq channel for component/system reviews.. Steve, your reviews are absolutely analytical, thorough and non-partisan. I do believe they are best available on KZfaq. While I doubt I'll ever leave MacOS...if I do, and return to building my own PCs...I know where to come for reviews and advice . Thank you Steve and your staff for all your brilliant work ! Cheers !
@unsmote15602 жыл бұрын
I wish the first performance graph were larger, the fact that the solid 2700x is at the bottom of this stack makes me wonder how this processor competes against 1st gen ryzen and older i5’s which I think it more realistically prices against.
@Cosmik72 жыл бұрын
the i3-10100f is going for around 79-82 usd and honestly i think its a really good value gaming cpu even compared to this
@killermoon6352 жыл бұрын
G7400 currently cost $59.99 in newegg i3 10100F does not have iGPU which make it useless for non-gamers (like Office PC)
@getyerspn2 жыл бұрын
I can't help think that more useful charts would have been to compare the g7400 to old i5/i7 CPUs 3770/4770/7700 Ryzen 1400/1600/2600, the g7400 could be a good stop gap if you have to jump to a newer platform from one of the old CPUs & mobos... although I still think the 12100 should be the minimum bar...with the g7400 being ~£70 and the 12100 being ~£100.
@arnox45542 жыл бұрын
Very good point. Also, he didn't talk about the iGPU at all.
@harsch1232 жыл бұрын
I don't know what the prices are in the rest of the world, but the i3-10105f is 10 euros cheaper (here in the Netherlands) than the g7400 and is allround a beter cpu. Also, you can get a decent lga 1200 motherboards for a very good price. So if you are on a strict budget, i would go for the i3-10105 with a b560 mothboard.
@TA152H012 жыл бұрын
I ended up buying a Pentium G7400, and it's great for what it's used for. A huge thing that this video glosses over is, the i3 it is compared with has no IGP. For gaming, yeah, not a big difference, although even then there are some where you suffer with a gimped CPU without the iGPU due to functionality on it that doesn't relate to rendering screens. So, the price difference between a "real" i3 and the Pentium is pretty significant, if you don't want to buy a discrete GPU. Again, gaming, it makes little difference, but when you're reviewing a product, and talking about non-gaming scenarios (which this did), it's probably a good idea to give prices for the non-castrated CPU, to make an apples to apples. The G7400 is extremely fast for most of what we do, and consumes very little power (something else that was left off). It's pretty much completely quiet. The Celeron probably is fine for basic stuff too, but probably can run into more trouble sooner, might not make much sense given the price difference was around $20. In short, it's a very nice CPU, and checks all the boxes if you use it for its intended purpose. Low power, low cost, comes with the GPU (which helps with decoding), and is extremely responsive. Just don't expect it to do higher end stuff that it wasn't intended for. For that, i3 or higher is definitely the way to go, and if you can't afford one, wait and save up.
@mattscomp Жыл бұрын
Very well said. Can I ask what motherboard did you end up using for your build?
@rickrussell2 жыл бұрын
So a serious question: why is 28 fps for 0.1% frequency lows considered unplayable, for example for Cyberpunk 2077? 28fps ain’t great, but it’s rare and as long as you’re sustaining 30fps+ 99.9% of the time, that seems pretty playable.
@edge21str2 жыл бұрын
If you play it with a controller, fair enough, but with KB+M 30fps in a first person game is just not playable imo.
@shaneeslick2 жыл бұрын
G'day Rick, Steve is not saying that 28FPS is unplayable, 1% & 0.1% is about Frametime Consistency when you are going from 70 to 37.5 or 28.5 & back to 70 that is a noticeable stutter (People saying it looks like a Powerpoint Presentation), this is for showing the ability of the CPU to consistently render frames at the same pace as the GPU, the closer the gap between FPS Avg & 1%/0.1% the Smoother the game play will be perceived. For example if you have 45FPS Avg & 37.5FPS 1% 28.5FPS 0.1% while you have the same Lows you would not notice the FPS dips as much because the difference from 45-28.5 is a much lower one. So when building a PC with a G7400 you would be looking at pairing a new GPU more like a GTX1650S or RX6500XT as their FPS consistency with this CPU would be much closer. Hope this helps.
@ReZhorw2 жыл бұрын
@@shaneeslick great comment!
@CommandLineVulpine2 жыл бұрын
I've been playing Elden Ring on a laptop that usually can push it at 50fps, drops to 28fps sometimes in combat though is killer though with timing dodges. Not the same game of course. But the PCMR in me says in the future I should aim for builds that are 60+fps .1% lows minimum.
@evlkenevl27212 жыл бұрын
For a very long time, 30fps was the standard, even for PC games of all types.
@ETophales2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review, Steve. I always enjoy low end hardware reviews. Got to wonder what kind of performance a CPU with 8 efficiency cores would have provided (as these take the same space as two performance cores).
@KiraHerdman2 жыл бұрын
makes a nice change for a reviewer to talk sense at the budget end of the market, explaining clearly why. thank you and well done !!!
@robinkonig58282 жыл бұрын
For the same price you can get a 10105F with box cooler and lga 1200 boards are way cheaper Or buy a b450 board and go for one of the new am4 budget cpus The pentium is just way to limited by the 2c/4t configuration
@medic-chan2 жыл бұрын
I have a ThermalTake The Tower 100, and I got it because of your reviews. I knew what I was getting into thanks to your coverage of the case's shortcomings and was able to plan my build to mitigate them. I wanted to use a big air cooler so I installed an SFX to ATX PSU adapter plate and filled the extra space below the PSU shroud with a 140mm intake fan, instead of installing the fan on top of it. I'm not sure how many cases gain a critical place to put your case fan by swapping in an SFX-L power supply, but this is one of them. ThermalTake made a lot of good, functional changes to this case since you called them out. Thanks
@mineatomtr2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised to see that Thermaltake case after so long
@dopwop5532 жыл бұрын
I immediately went back to find their video on Thermaltake, it's called "Take-Down of Thermaltake's Engineering & Marketing", it's from 2020. If GN advertises their case now (or maybe they've done so before idk) it must really have improved, maybe a review coming soon?
@vherostar2 жыл бұрын
Would have liked to have seen this against the 10100f which is similarly priced right now. I can get a 10100f for £60 and they selling new still
@rmgaminguk70792 жыл бұрын
Great review. Would be great to have some older intel cpus in the list to compare to, particularly for those wanting to upgrade, such as the i5-7500 or i5-4590.
@ktg4842 жыл бұрын
We need Steve to build the ultimate flame bait-machine: Ryzen 5 5500 + Radeon 6500 XT = PCIe 3.0 x 4! I need my GN-Steve rants. Keep up the good work!
@martinbadoy58272 жыл бұрын
It's great to have a review of a budget-friendly component and upgrade advice
@nickmccarty26962 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the fact that you're trying to bring "budget" systems back, but I can't imagine anyone paying $90 for a cpu and $800+ for a gpu. If you want to make it realistic at least show a few gpus , maybe a higher tier and a entry level one also.
@thelawnet2 жыл бұрын
yes a comparison between this and the 12100f with like a 6500 xt would make sense
@trentonbennettVO2 жыл бұрын
I feel like this is one of your best videos yet in terms of trying to help people make their own decisions and get the most out of their purchasing power when having to buy on a budget, especially when you get to the recap. Bravo.
@ncohafmuta2 жыл бұрын
I would completely take a 12100F and say $60 cheap case over a G7400 and a $100 case. The case isn't a functional upgrade (hell, velcro/zip-tie your parts into a $20 milk crate for tons of airflow and tie points!), especially at the heat loads/disks/fans you will have in an entry-level build. Best to invest in parts that show up in real performance.
@meatbleed2 жыл бұрын
Only changed my 3770K a year ago, and this is about on par. For a console gamer who is fine with 30+fps they can throw a 1660 or 1050Ti in there and get a good enough performance on low without spending too much.
@sbajansheusj2 жыл бұрын
i love flat cheese
@420architecMindNDesign2 жыл бұрын
nice to hear the name Pentium talked about seriously again.
@StaelTek2 жыл бұрын
can you try and do a BCLK OC of the G7400 and the 12100f like Der8auer has done, just to see, how far they can go, if people decide to push them to like 5-5.3 GHz?
@supervisedchaos2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget igpu is helpful for dgpu troubleshooting
@BrianCroweAcolyte2 жыл бұрын
Or, the next time there's a mining boom you can sell your dGPU for double or triple you paid for it and just rough it or do something else for awhile lol. I'm never buying a CPU without an iGPU again.
@Phirrip972 жыл бұрын
This should really serve as a warning that AMD aren't the PC Gaming Master Race saviour that we all wanted them to be. The 12100 from Intel is an insane value and any of you guys who want to upgrade on a budget DO consider the 12100 as a valid option. I'm still on a 4790K about to upgrade and even on that absolute beast of a CPU the 12100 still destroys in just in gaming. We cannot discount the fact that the 12100 is a performance king espeically when you're doing 1440P or 4K. Especially you people like myself who are on a 4K monitor a 12100 will MORE THAN cover your requirements whereas the costs of a higher end GPU will more than likely be the limiting factor. All of you dudes and dudettes who are on higher resolution monitors purchase a 12100 and spend all the money you can on a higher end GPU. Love you all, keep gaming gamers 😎
@daymianhogue16342 жыл бұрын
I mean no company is gonna be some saviour unless they have to be like AMD did in the first couple generations of ryzen (because otherwise they woulda went bankrupt) But, maybe now that intel is even with AMD competition will be our saviour. Also in a bit of fairness to AMD; the last 2-3 years have been a bit of an issue with silicon shortages... and they have only so much wafer supply from TSMC... and they had to make CPUs, GPUs, desktop APUs, and console chips.
@s8wc32 жыл бұрын
The intel motherboards are really expensive though, at least here in au, it kind of ruins the great value of the CPU
@stoneymahoney91062 жыл бұрын
Intel gave us 10 years of the same architecture and 6 years of 4c/8t i7's. They sand-bagged us all for their own profit and had no plans to release a new architecture at all until AMD released Ryzen - it's no coincidence the i7-8700K 'mysteriously' grew an extra 2 cores and 4 threads. If AMD hadn't restored competition to the mainstream CPU space, I doubt we'd be seeing i7's with 8c/16t, let alone the 12c/20t we've got right now.
@BlenderRookie2 жыл бұрын
That CPU is what you put in the computer you built so grandma can watch cat videos on YT.
@sbajansheusj2 жыл бұрын
Or pair it with a 3060ti
@m8x4252 жыл бұрын
lol, I just upgraded a Dell Inspiron 620 that I got from a couple old folks that bought a new desktop. With their new Dell desktop, they can Facebook faster than ever before.
@BlenderRookie2 жыл бұрын
@@m8x425 LOL
@cromefire_2 жыл бұрын
This or the 12100 would probably pair well with an ARC A3, if those really launch at something like 150€ or with a pretty old GPU, once the market has fully settled (because you'll probably still be GPU limited in that case). The 12100 might be the better pick though, because the difference isn't much if you factor in the GPU, Mainboard, PSU, etc. cost.
@Jsteeeez2 жыл бұрын
Will this bottleneck my 3090 ti. I kind of blew my budget on the gpu.
@-feonix48-472 жыл бұрын
No you should be fine
@StandTallTx2 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@BoredLikeHelI2 жыл бұрын
People like you is why the market is such trash. Doesn't have a single clue and gets a 3090ti lol. Seriously hope this is a troll post.
@GamersNexus2 жыл бұрын
That depends on how big the bottle is, but you shouldn't put your GPU in a bottle
@hamzamahmood24502 жыл бұрын
That's such a Steve joke ^
@xeno230942 жыл бұрын
one thing is, you can find the 10100f in the $80-$100 range just like the pentium
@killermoon6352 жыл бұрын
G7400 currently cost $59.99 in newegg and amazon
@xeno230942 жыл бұрын
@@killermoon635 10100f commonly is found for $75 and mbs are cheaper
@kontraproduktiv9332 жыл бұрын
It has QSV, so probably an option for a cheap PLEX/JellyFin server
@QuentinStephens2 жыл бұрын
Since you were including non-gaming tasks I would have liked you to have included a 3990 or 3995WX, just for giggles. My most significant takeaway from your testing is that for gaming you really don't need anything better than a 12400. Just as there was a big jump from the Pentium to the 12100, so there was also a significant but lesser jump from the 12100 to the 12400 and increases beyond that were very small. In that vein I would have liked you to declutter the charts by first showing all the CPUs then showing only the Intel 12th gen CPUs, perhaps by fading out the others. Keep up the good work.
@roythunderplump2 жыл бұрын
4 core 4 Threads like the ryzen 3 1200AF would have been a superb bump up for intel pentiums.
@tilapiadave32342 жыл бұрын
HArd to HAMMER them into the socket ,, CRAZY
@evangraessle16742 жыл бұрын
Glad to see Thermaltake made the needed changes to the Tower 100.
@CPTAmarisStreams21142 жыл бұрын
Got the medium mod mat from you guys and did my first build for my bro with it. Love the quality of it, will probably buy a toolkit as well.
@TrevorM19922 жыл бұрын
The fact that there are brand new dual core cpus STILL being made for $100 is outrageous. Dual cores were cool....in 2006. This is getting ridiculous.
@ZboeC52 жыл бұрын
2 cores 4 threads should be absolute baseline in 2022. Ideally 4 cores 4 threads.
@el_yemo2 жыл бұрын
Nice, a review for the pentium gold. Thanks for that. It'll be nice to see a low budget build for gaming.
@daveme35822 жыл бұрын
After finding my son kinda out grew his i5 6500 / gtx 1060 256gb NVME. Mainly due to recording gaming and uploading. I built up a semi used rig with a Ryzen 5 3600 / Founders 1070 and the new king of budget NVME 1TB SK Hynix Gold P31. Used Ryzen and AM4 really seems to be the way to go for PC gamers on a budget. Im thrilled to see Intel back in the CPU game for things. But high cost of DDR5 and Intel catching up by pushing TDP in anything beyond I3 has me waiting for whats to come another gen or 2 from Intel. Again happy to see em on the board. Just lets start making high end CPUs that consume less power than mid range GPUs. Super jacked to see what Intel puts out in gaming GPUs. The rumors are positive for sure.
@epiccollision2 жыл бұрын
I hope the semiconductor market becomes much more geographically diverse in the near future
@impaledface769411 ай бұрын
pentiums remind me of a good time. Used to have a single core 3.2ghz pentium that ran all kinds of games back in the day. Only reason I upgraded was for mechwarrior online back in 2012 which was worth it, but I will always have a soft spot for the old pentium that carried me through the 2000's. Warcraft 3 frozen throne, guild wars, many flash games, CS source, AVA and combat arms. Man. Mine lived in a dell box that was under cooled and hot for most of the time used.
@bobsaget67202 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see yall cover stuff like this. I usually just see techyescity doing it
@TruelyInsane872 жыл бұрын
I like the idea of finding low budget cpus for low budget build but maybe this test would be a better comparison if you slapped it in a low budget build. I mean low budget builds at going to be around the 600-800 builds. you would be doing that with a 3080. So why not test it with something low budget gamers would actually be using.
@carrionette2 жыл бұрын
It's nice to see some lower end parts tested, but it would be nice to see some more real life scenarios as well. I know it is the methodology of all the benchmarks, but you never see this ultra high/ultra low GPU/CPU in a system. I think it might be helpful to see how this lower end CPUs scale with lower end GPUs. I mean if you get something like RTX 3050, is there still the double fps increase if you upgrade from pentium to i3 like when using the RTX3080?
@galaxywz2 жыл бұрын
Shot in the dark but could you guys include Warzone in your benchmarks from time to time? It’s such an interesting game because it is SO CPU heavy it’s hard to tell what’s going on when it comes to upgrade decisions. You would just need to specify the game mode you are in (Royale Quads or Rebirth Quads)
@woodmanvictory2 жыл бұрын
A G3258 got me into PC gaming proper. Hope these low end parts can give people access to gaming and PC building like it did for me!
@Real282 жыл бұрын
I just can't not start singing "It's all about the Pentiums, baby!" When I hear Steve talking about it.
@p0nk0332 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. Thanks for your honesty and all that you do for the community. I'd like to suggest if you are going to add the 2C/4T Intel part for benchmarks I would have loved to see the at least until now AMD competitor which would be the 3000g to see how it fares against it. Can't wait for the 4100 review!
@konstantinlozev22722 жыл бұрын
I got an i3 12100f for EUR 106 a couple of days ago. Can't beat that price/performance!
@mattpierce50092 жыл бұрын
With the GPU being the real cost of a build these days, absorbing the extra $20-30 or whatever to get an i3 seems like a no-brainer. I can't believe 2c CPUs are still being made
@rstidman2 жыл бұрын
you can't believe it because you live in a very narrow world of applications. many apps outside the gaming world need just a few cores and simple old discrete card.
@mattpierce50092 жыл бұрын
@@rstidman Don't make assumptions about how I use computers. I'm fully aware that an office PC doesn't need 16c/32t and RTX. Hope it doesn't need active antivirus too! 2c/2t is stifling for ANY PC that runs a modern OS in 2022. OSes use multiple cores to do background tasks and will be competing for resources with ANY running app.
@pweddy12 жыл бұрын
To be fair I think AMD’s supply issues were legitimate and cutting a 8 core down to 4 cores is not effective use of resources. I think going forward they have a legitimate case to actually make a quad core die, either monolithic or chip-let, for the low end market. They have enough volume sales to justify it now, where that wasn’t the case for earlier versions of Zen.
@auturgicflosculator21832 жыл бұрын
I'm currently gaming on a ryzen 2200g with 1 stick of 8 GB 2666 ram, shoehorned into what looks like a 15 year old case with nearly zero ventilation. Old games / minimum settings in new games it does just fine. I found that surprising. Might drill some holes in it.
@patrikjankovics21132 жыл бұрын
@@auturgicflosculator2183 Why not OC the memory to 3200? It should work. Also, get another stick if possible. (Both helps the iGPU a lot)
@EXILEvenom2 жыл бұрын
I believe the high yields they've gotten from the 8 core Zen 2/3 chiplets also plays a major factor
@auturgicflosculator21832 жыл бұрын
@@patrikjankovics2113 It's not mine, and its owner doesn't care how it games. My point was that even in such a mediocre configuration, it games well enough for a fun time. :) ...and the owner might enjoy drilling holes in it.
@engenhokas692 жыл бұрын
And here i am playing every game up to date with my RTX3060 that costed me 600€, paired with a X5650 OC to 4.5GHz, this CPU is from 2010, still amazes me in how easly it beats my 6600K at 4.5GHz and 7700K also
@stevenanderson32052 жыл бұрын
The i3 10100f is 81.00 at amazon 4 cores 8 threads thats the one i would get.
@sbajansheusj2 жыл бұрын
no
@monke23612 жыл бұрын
in terms of raw speed the Pentium has higher IPC, but the extra cores on the 10100 help massively. Only problem with the 10100 is that you can't do an in socket upgrade to Alder Lake
@stevenanderson32052 жыл бұрын
@@monke2361 You can get a i5 10400f for 129.00 right now if i am building new pc i will go back 1 or 2 generations thats where the best deals are at this point personally i have 5 computers from the 1600af i3 10100f and a i9 10850k and a i5 11400 all where great buys and oh yeah a Raspberry pi 4 8 GB.
@plonk4202 жыл бұрын
3:18 comeback of the 1600AF (only newer) would be nice...
@Qalibrated2 жыл бұрын
I bought a Pentium G5400 (coffee lake) on the second hand market for about 25 euro. I paired it with 16GB ram and an RX 580 8G and tried some gaming, older/less demanding games mostly but it really wasn't too bad, i'd even go as far as calling it an enjoyable experience. Obviously, an older dual core, even with hyperthreading, won't handle many 2022 triple A titles, as expected, but for slightly older triple A titles and stuff like Overwatch, League of Legends, Valorant etc., it still does pretty well.
@razorsz1952 жыл бұрын
Pentium II MMX + GF2 on quake II and UT, those were the days the Pentium name was said strong.
@SahafGece2 жыл бұрын
To me; Price/Value wise 3600 looks like the real winner.
@richardhunter97792 жыл бұрын
For these low-power CPUs, it would be useful to benchmark emulators for HTPC users.
@ifrit35 Жыл бұрын
I did spend the money for an I3 for my gaming PC. However I wish I had that pentium at work, it would make a world of difference compared to what we have right now.
@robmortimer41502 жыл бұрын
Good advice. I did that a number of years back with the anniversary Pentium. It lasted me several years with okay gaming until I could upgrade to an i5
@raiyanahmed84272 жыл бұрын
This is inhumane. You are a monster for doing this.
@mariastevens64062 жыл бұрын
I wonder how well this would match with a gt1030 for a low powered box, given the games I'm interested in are 9800 gt era and 90s colsole emulation.
@whatforman2 жыл бұрын
200 plus people comment and don’t even notice poor audio edits in video. Lmao. What a world.
@FaithsFallen2 жыл бұрын
This is so close to an i5-4670K it's crazy!
@alienworm19992 жыл бұрын
I misread the title and thought you were reviewing some ancient Pentium from the Bush era
@DouglettDD2 жыл бұрын
Something I just thought of is maybe put a spot in the charts or at the end saying which gpu best matches the average fps in the tests, it’s be interesting to see what pairings would look like but also would be a lot of data to go through, just an idea
@IIARROWS2 жыл бұрын
On advice on "jump on higher tier later" should consider the used market! With newer generations, higher-end CPUs are still valid, great performance and relatively cheap.
@Teksers2 жыл бұрын
The only thing I'm going to use this CPU is to help people that bought the Z690 chipsets and lower to update their BIOS to support the newest Intel CPU's. Not all motherboards have the BIOS flash back option and honestly when the 13th gen launches, people will still pair those CPU's will what is currently launched(motherboards) and they'll need the BIOS update.
@w00tz0rDS2 жыл бұрын
While I understand the reasoning of not going for one with an iGPU because any discrete one will be better. I really like the feature of having an iGPU. It was the difference for me personally between pulling the trigger in buying a GPU at an increased cost and sticking through it till RDNA3/Lovelace launches. The ability to set secondary programs like your browser or maybe a very low demand game you have on your other monitor to use your iGPU instead of your discrete one really helped me not have to pause a stream everytime I got into a match because it had a noticable difference on my FPS.(Obv doesnt apply if your cpu then just becomes the bottleneck). I remember a time I was playing Elite:Dangerous and my gpu at the time just could not open a browser and without a livestream, space is a very lonely place. I was lucky enough to have an old laptop from school that I could use for the browser and plug earbuds in under my headset. If I had known about forcing it onto my iGPU back then I would've been able to enjoy the game without the privelage of also owning a laptop or other device. I don't think I would've enjoyed the game without either of those options. So I suppose you'd have to evaluate to cost difference between the F and non-F SKU and see if adding that to your dGPU cost can give you the same performance. Which is like 20-30 euros? That plus the added feature of being able to troubleshoot if your gpu is borked or still having a use for the system if you transfer over your gpu always makes an F SKU a really hard buy for me.
@dontsupportrats40892 жыл бұрын
I have 7 Pentium and 11 Celeron. It's worth the Pentium even in work stations. Celeron is really for browsing/emails/streaming at this point. Just an opinion from someone that has 20+ workstations. As stations are replaced they will be all Pentium class. The time saved, well, for everything you do on it, adds up. Great Review and ty for your work GN!
@hyper85452 жыл бұрын
My i5 7400 is still going strong 💪😤🤙
@zbynektrajer27352 жыл бұрын
When RandomGaminginHD reviews a processor before you :)
@RandoBurner2 жыл бұрын
This CPU should be tested from a HTPC/Office pc computer perspective. Why those tests are not included is beyond me.
@Slowrider82 жыл бұрын
There's a bigger market than you might think with budget CPUs, considering the amount of companies that switch to cloud based computing but basically need a dumb terminal to access it. Obvs these are all usually bought from system configurators who aren't buying the CPUs at sticker price, but it's a market AMD has yet to break into with Ryzen
@SpartozZ2 жыл бұрын
Nice testing but such a pity that the power consumption is missing, I dont think a lot of people are gonna buy this for a gaming CPU but more for a NAS/small server, and in that case it could have been very interesting to see the power consomption
@ricdintino95022 жыл бұрын
B & H has the Pentium for $80 and the i3 for $110 currently, with the latter out of stock.
@sbajansheusj2 жыл бұрын
i love flat cheese
@vailpcs40402 жыл бұрын
Me before the ad roll: OOOOhhhh.... Is this going to be another official "waste of sand"?!?!?! By the end: well, that's really not nearly as bad as expected. OK I guess.
@DoomGuy9001-MK42 жыл бұрын
I feel Intel needs to fill that 4c/4t billet. Call it Core i1 by all means.
@HecticRailfan2 жыл бұрын
Core i1 made me laugh.
@stuartlunsford75562 жыл бұрын
I'm struck by how amazing the 12100 does, how much better the 3600 is than the 2700x, and by how well Zen 3 holds up with Alder Lake. Can't wait for Raptor Lake vs Zen 4. Oh...this is a Pentium video, meh I still watched it lol.
@AlfaPro13372 жыл бұрын
Actually, no Zen 3 held up terrible when compared to 12th gen.
@ot73022 жыл бұрын
I would love if you would start reviewing CPUs and motherboard from DIY nas (unraid, truenas,etc.) point of view, not just gaming. Just a polite request 😃