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@PopcornChicken99 Жыл бұрын
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@TheOriginalFaxon Жыл бұрын
The fact that the 4090 allowed AMD's own architecture to stretch it's legs enough that the 7000 series pulled ahead of the 5800x3D was super impressive in this as well, which I think speaks volumes towards just how powerful that GPU is, that it was able to reveal previously unrecognized CPU bottlenecks as well. The next year is definitely going to be interesting, I wonder if AMD will be able to take the crown again with new x3D releases
@99Duds Жыл бұрын
That's Great News, Back to you Steve. Sorry couldn't resist.
@Sm0ke821 Жыл бұрын
I would like if you can add a slide to compare ddr4 to ddr5 using a 13600k cause this would be the last time we can really compare them to a new processor so I can check if its worth to go for ddr5
@George_K. Жыл бұрын
Really interesting how you're testing the 13600K with DDR5, but when you're having those "real talk" moments about platform cost, there's only DDR4 paired with the i5 as shown in the table. There's no talk about how the CPU's DDR5 performance relates to its DDR4 performance, yet you're giving advice towards pairing the 13600K with DDR4 based on DDR5 performance.
@cajuncarry Жыл бұрын
Ya'll are legit legends for including the older Ryzen CPUs in your tests/graphs. It's super nice for people who don't upgrade every year.
@jackofspaidz_ Жыл бұрын
I hope they keep the Legendary 3600 around for awhile
@Sgt_SealCluber Жыл бұрын
Nah, legit legends would still have the 3770k on the chart as I'm still using one!! lol 😁
@bobboukie Жыл бұрын
Absolutely, my son was rocking an FX-9590 for a couple of years since they were so cheap for the longest time, BUT the benefit to not heating the room, is a definite advantage.
@nopriorknowledge7046 Жыл бұрын
@@jackofspaidz_ likewise with my 3300x :D managed to get it for $120 before the shortages hit in 2020.
@flightsimcraver2839 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. They were legit the only channel comparing the 2080ti to the 4090. Like the 2080ti is just two generations why not compare them?
@MindLessWiz Жыл бұрын
Lighting and color grading improvements did not go unnoticed! Really appreciate the bump in production value!
@tantegreta Жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree, finally, good for you guys! 😊👍
@THEpicND Жыл бұрын
@@BlackhatAudio less saturated
@kaaiuta Жыл бұрын
@@BlackhatAudio Didnt you notice the foreground and background are now much more vivid and saturated?
@stevenjohnson1692 Жыл бұрын
So what is it? More saturated or less? Or nothing? I think nothing since those cancel out.
@mohit96mb Жыл бұрын
I actually dont like this fake ass side lighting. Older one was better. This one is LOUD.
@ZoneCracker Жыл бұрын
I remember a time when nothing happened to CPUs for a long while, but now it's a CPU war. Fun to see.
@webbedshadow2601 Жыл бұрын
And a great time for good deals too! with people buying a new GPU and CPU it means I can get their "old" parts for cheap
@cm01 Жыл бұрын
The "feirce competition" that has led to a 6 core costing 30-50% more than a 6 core a couple years ago.
@LlamaCraft Жыл бұрын
@@cm01 Intel wasn't even making 6 core chips part of their i7 line up until the 8700k unless you count the one 6700k but after that they did the 7700k which again was 4 cores it's more like amd is raising the price now that they are in a better position while Intel couldn't even lobby congress enough to help with their new fab meaning the need to actually compete and lower their prices again like they are competing against 3rd gen Ryzen
@cm01 Жыл бұрын
@@LlamaCraft a 2600 and 10600K were both $220 or less most of the time. 3600 as well. Did you forget all that? Where are these $300 price points coming from?
@LlamaCraft Жыл бұрын
@@cm01 bro again Ryzen was a good thing for and forcing Intel into subservience to sell products and the 10 series got such a bad rep (rightfully so) that they had to sell them cheaper a 12600k cost 280 if you want a 10 core CPU that apparently is overpriced for a 6 core
@peace_maybenot Жыл бұрын
The total platform cost table was awesome! I'd love to see this when comparing CPUs in the future!
@savagej4y241 Жыл бұрын
Steve isn't being misleading, since he tells us his system setup, but the example platform cost table doesn't tell you the whole story, in addition to being a snapshot in time. The platform cost row with the i5-13600K uses much slower DDR4-3200, which for 32GB is now almost half the price of DDR5-6000, which is what he actually benchmarked the i5-13600K with. For instance, the i5-13600K price is now $250 (-$130), and the 5800X3D price is now $300 (-$40), compared to 4 months ago. All told, for a fair comparison as per the test bench conducted in this video, and additionally factoring in cost of a CPU cooler (since you can't run the CPU for long without it), today the example cost of the i5-13600K with 32GB DDR5-6000 would be closer to: $250 CPU + $80-$160 cooler + $150 32GB DDR5-6000 + $200 (cheapest new) Z690 motherboard = $680-$760 before other essential parts. While the example cost of the 5800X3D would be closer to: $300 CPU + $40 cooler + $80 32GB DDR4-3200 + $80 (cheapest new) B450 motherboard = $500 before other essential parts. In games like FFXIV especially, 1% lows with the i5-13600K would likely drop below the 5800X3D using DDR4-3200. There's a huge difference between the FFXIV benchmark and actual game play, where 1% lows of the i5-13600K with DDR4-3200 would get hammered in areas with dozens or hundreds of players, and special effects going off all at once. Whereas the 5800X3D wouldn't take as much of a hit due to having 4x as much L3 cache, so the slower DDR4 speeds don't make as much of a difference. Another pricing factor (which can be forgiven in being overlooked, since stock values are being tested) is that the 5800X3D can be undervolted much more than the i5-13600K while maintaining full performance under load. With 1.02v on a 5800X3D, temperatures are reduced by over 10 degrees celcius in any given setup compared to stock voltage, which allows a cheaper (but good) air cooler like a $40 Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE to be used. The i5-13600K can be undervolted lower than that in idle, but it will automatically go back up and draw what it needs under load, which is about 1.22V. Steve tested using the $160 Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360. The i5-13600K needs that kind of cooling to attain the turbo boost of 5.1GHz on all performance cores with good thermals, but could get away with an $80 cooler for running at stock as tested. So thats +$40-120 onto the i5-13600K system vs what the 5800X3D system needs. So really, the 5800X3D has the overall cheaper point of entry into a relatively higher end gaming system compared to the i5-13600K. Such that it would rightly also cannibalize the 7600X due to higher cost of entry into the AM5 platform.
@Crazymusician345 Жыл бұрын
@@savagej4y241 The costs also depends from where you live , here a 7600/7600x costs around 215 euros while the i5-13600k costs around 320 euros . A goob mobo intel B-chip is around 135 euros while a AMD b-chip is 160 so with shame ddr5 6000 cl30 (110 euros) ram the total combo cost is around : Intel 320+135+100= 555 euros (607$)vs Amd 215+160+110= 485 euros ( 530$). The funny things is for X and Z chips the cost is too close , since you pay around 220-250 euros for Z chips while for the same X-chip you pay around 250-270 euros xD .
@savagej4y241 Жыл бұрын
@@Crazymusician345 That's a fair assessment! AMD in general seems to be overpriced in Europe very frequently...
@JeanPierreCuba4 ай бұрын
@@savagej4y241what would you recommend today ? There is a 250$ i5 12600k bundle or a $400 7700x bundle I would rather put the $150 towards a gpu maybe $250 for an Intel arc or an old nvidia say 2060 I was looking for stealing a 4070 for $350 but it seems unlikely
@NoahChin Жыл бұрын
GN needs to record videos like this from now on. The lighting looks great y'all!
@infra1 Жыл бұрын
They look great. I do still prefer the original lighting as this particular set up is heavier on the shadows.
@darkmanure Жыл бұрын
Steve looks majestic with t he new lighting.
@misterfamilyguy Жыл бұрын
Throw in some smooth jazz or jazz flute
@albertotr1 Жыл бұрын
@@misterfamilyguy mood lighting, his flowing locks - shoot, Steve can game my nexus.
@avetruetocaesar3463 Жыл бұрын
Well, when the combined power draw of CPUs and GPUs teeter on the edge, and sometimes exceed a kilowatt, you sort of have to turn off the lights a little. Having to repeatedly test different configurations several times to create bottlenecked situations to better represent a component's power also doesn't help. Their monthly energy bill must have risen quite high, I reckon. These high-end desktop components are not called space heaters for nothing.
@Donnerwamp Жыл бұрын
I really love the efficiency graph, I wish more reviewers would implement similar tests in their benchmarks.
@much_Doggo Жыл бұрын
Check out "der bauer English" review, it cover a lot about the efficiency of the cpu.
@Donnerwamp Жыл бұрын
@@much_Doggo I know Der8auer and since I'm German I can avoid his accent. ;) Still, Roman and Gamers Nexus are the only ones that put effort into comparing efficiency that I know.
@DarkP1 Жыл бұрын
I'm playing RE village on a 5600x I just cap the game to 60fps cuz 120fps is unnecessary, the CPU usage is like 5% during gameplay xD
@Pekiii92 Жыл бұрын
@@Donnerwamp Techpowerup also does very good efficiency testing.
@earvin4602 Жыл бұрын
checkout Hardware Unboxed, they make efficiency and platform cost per frame more and more central to their reviews lately
@fpshooterful Жыл бұрын
Just crazy to see 13600k beating 7700x in some games. I am glad i got the 13600k. If i were to go 7700x route, i would be spending at least $350cad extra.
@nafis6668 Жыл бұрын
I went for 13600K and im surprise my rig went well under budget.
@saricubra2867 Жыл бұрын
Is not crazy, it has higher IPC and more threads, even the i7-12700K should lead over that Ryzen chip.
@mathesar10 ай бұрын
Same, 13600K has been a solid upgrade vs. my previous 8700K.
@camelCased9 ай бұрын
i5-13500 also is nice, it seems to be a good upgrade option from my old i7-7700. I looked at Passmark CPU benchmarks list to see if AMD can offer anything close to the ratings of 13500, but somehow I cannot find any of those AMD CPUs in stores in my country for about the same price as 13500, which is 260 EUR. For example, 3900X costs 450 EUR in the cheapest stores in my country. Maybe Intel has a lobbyist campaign here or something 😀 7700x and 13600k both cost almost 100 EUR more than 13500, so I'm not considering them. I'll have B660 o B760 motherboard, so no overclock and not much use for K edition. Also, I'll be using this PC for work all day long and it's better to have lower energy consumption overall.
@auritro39038 ай бұрын
@@camelCased 13400f isn't bad either for its price, although it's performance is lot less, should be paired with max a 4060 ti or equivalent gpu
@darthllama1 Жыл бұрын
Best reviews on KZfaq, hands down. All the information I was looking for in an easy to digest style. Thanks GN, keep it up!
@SAFFY7411 Жыл бұрын
The whole competition thing is bringing out the best party tricks from both companies, which means that the CPU market hasn't been this hot, literally and figuratively, in a long time.
@592Johno Жыл бұрын
Hot literally 😂😂
@TheMusicHeals.kjhjhhg Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@thecchrist777cc6 Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@quantum5661 Жыл бұрын
i just hope we get the same thing for gpus. speed is great and all, but i need good 200$ options in every category.
@freefall_910 Жыл бұрын
This is what happen when amd come on top i wish amd is on top for gpu as well i rather see amd a top then intel and NVIDIA Go amd goooooooo
@Zosu22 Жыл бұрын
I’m really excited to see the non-k SKUs. With them apparently all having e cores now, it sounds like they’ll be extremely competitive in the budget segment.
@Linkedblade Жыл бұрын
12100 is the budget king right now
@ayyveezee2079 Жыл бұрын
I think all SKUs below 13600 is alderlake and not raptorlake, idk how much that really matters though.
@bingbing3464 Жыл бұрын
Non K skus will be alderlakes
@ericrose3978 Жыл бұрын
I wish they would do a cheaper high end 8 core without the e-cores, sort of like they do F skus without the iGPU.
@Diabepis Жыл бұрын
e cores are useless for gaming. would rather have main cores OC able. Rather have an i5 6c/12t with 5.0 GHz than 4.3 GHz with some useless e cores.
@danielandersen2913 Жыл бұрын
We need to see some benchmarks on a DDR4 platform to really see what kind of performance can be expected on the budget platform. Great vid!
@cold12u Жыл бұрын
Yeah, with all the ddr4 talk, I am surprised there was no benchmarks for it.
@parzival3632 Жыл бұрын
I saw some benchmark on some other channels. As of now DDR4 and DDR5 RAM have not much difference in performance. DDR5 is a bit better. But not to the point of excusing the extra cost.
@gerryh6385 Жыл бұрын
@@parzival3632 I think the extra cost of am5 motherboards over the 13600k with ddr4 motherboards gets you years of potential processor upgrades and other features. Being cheaper with ddr4 over ddr5 at the moment may be a false economy for many buyers.
@jkahgdkjhafgsd Жыл бұрын
@@gerryh6385 not very relevant if you only upgrade every 6 years :/
@GewelReal Жыл бұрын
@@jkahgdkjhafgsd if you upgrade every 6 years then I don't think you are a 13600K buyer
@TRAMP-oline Жыл бұрын
The 13600k is really starting to look like the next 2500k. This CPU will almost certainly be more than good enough for AAA games going into the 2030s.
@TroyEdinSammyWinchester82 Жыл бұрын
2500k was a great CPU!
@SPG8989 Жыл бұрын
lol no it will not be good enough that long unless you have low standards. Intel actually has competition now so cpus are about to move a lot faster than back in the day when AMD was putting out garbage to compete.
@seeibe Жыл бұрын
@@SPG8989 Not necessarily. Miniaturization is slowing down, while at the same time the price/transistor is actually going up, not down. There's not an infinite amount of options for improving the architecture, especially when you're stuck on x86 backwards compatibility.
@kuzehotarubi6912 Жыл бұрын
@@SPG8989 Unless you wanted to hang your wallet to play 4K, any half decent cpu would be enough to push 10 years plus. Especially now that the gaming industry has basically saturated so much. There is zero reason to play game on anything above High and Very High settings. Most people are still playing games from 5-10 years ago, no one really care about new games that much anymore. Steam GPU stat shows that the majority of steam users are playing on the xx50 and xx60 cards, so the 13600k should be plenty to handle this kind of load for a decade at least.
@TheBlackHandElite Жыл бұрын
The 12600K already kind of is the new 2500k
@ramonlopez2683 Жыл бұрын
Whether your team Red or Team Blue you have to admit it is so awesome to see AMD and intel constantly having to step up their game and create better products. Lets not forget those dark days where AMD offered no competition allowing intel to coast and all of us to suffer. These are good days to be a PC enthusiast.
@crylune Жыл бұрын
yeah we all know this, everyone has to keep posting this comment to keep the fanboys at bay I see
@Exteliongamer Жыл бұрын
Yea they trying to win the crown of hottest cpu of all time literary 😂
@Get-Rekt Жыл бұрын
I think that when RDNA3 launches, it will be a GREAT time to build a PC as there will be new CPUs AND GPUs so the high-end buyers will have a new toy to spend their money on and the budget gamers will enjoy the low prices of perfectly fine last gen hardware 🙂
@TVAlien Жыл бұрын
@@Get-Rekt this right here is the truth that budget gamers everywhere hope comes to pass.
@edy6722 Жыл бұрын
@@crylune I Know right??? TEAM RED SECRETLY CRYING HAHAHA
@anthonymachado7448 Жыл бұрын
Very impressed with Intel, excited to see more in depth videos comparing 13th gen on DDR4 and 5 to AM5.
@macking104 Жыл бұрын
oc3d / overclock3d has a youtube and and article on website comparing ddr4/ddr5 with 13th gen…
@DuBstep115 Жыл бұрын
Why, DDR4 is dead. Just Buy new platform with DDR5 and move to 2020s
@CNTRI715 Жыл бұрын
For real I'd say they've taken the CPU crown back from AMD for now. Outdoing them in value and performance in the low and mid range and basically matching AMD at the high end.
@DuBstep115 Жыл бұрын
@@CNTRI715 And they have the next year covered as well, AMD may hold it for few months as 7800XD comes out, but meteor lake drops in 2023 as well. AMD has no answer till late 2024
@BaranLordofLight Жыл бұрын
@@DuBstep115 actually, it's meteor lake .
@dumbdumbsmart8081 Жыл бұрын
I give props to the comments … seriously I understand a lot of this on a basic lvl but a lot of other viewers really help break down the nuances in a very comprehensive way … not that the channel doesn’t but to think about there’s so many interesting and intelligent comments shows that you really have grown on everyone not just those who cannot perform these test themselves..
@DerDrecksack87 Жыл бұрын
Just keep away from scammers like the comment above mine & AMD products (wich are the physical embodiment of these "contact me you are the winner"-comments)
@pirojfmifhghek566 Жыл бұрын
Gotta say, I am really really happy to see you guys incorporating some real metrics for price-to-performance and performance-per-watt. As these hardware combinations become more convoluted, the FPS charts start to lose a bit of their context. These metrics makes a huge difference to buyers who don't have the time and the wherewithal to do the math on the wide variety of options.
@pablouribe1522 Жыл бұрын
Great to see competition arise between AMD and Intel, it is great for us. Great content, your technical charts are just what i wanted to know.
@tilapiadave3234 Жыл бұрын
AMD is going to have to improve a lot to compete
@torvich433 Жыл бұрын
Holy cow! Your set, the camera quality and the post production colours of the video are so amazing. I was struck with "that's smooth af" the second I saw the set. Well done GN team, that's quality!
@pixels_per_inch Жыл бұрын
Damn, I was planning to upgrade to the 12700k a few weeks ago. So glad I've waited for the 13 gen benchmarks before buying.
@Kaleziz Жыл бұрын
Damn what a banger of a CPU. Best price-to-performance for gaming as usual, but now with the extra E-cores very competent in production loads too.
@D.K81 Жыл бұрын
This channel has came a long ways since I first started watching it (all for the good of course). Thank you Steve and everyone at GN!
@Pointless-fishing-adventures Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to the 13400 . Should be great performance and value
@MHCP Жыл бұрын
R5 7600 NO X
@Geardos1 Жыл бұрын
the 13400 is really going to take it to the 7600 I think
@MrArcticPOWER Жыл бұрын
@@MHCP Ah yes, can't wait to put a 200$ cpu into a 400$ motherboard+ram combo, such great value.
@Pointless-fishing-adventures Жыл бұрын
@@MHCP will all come down to price. Raptor lake is a cheaper upgrade path with DDR4 compatibility.
@MHCP Жыл бұрын
Just wait for cheapest B650 and A620
@Real_MisterSir Жыл бұрын
Great work GN as always, the thorough testing is impressive! As someone who sits on a now older Intel system (9700K) I do wonder how these older chips stack up to newer counterparts and how much value is actually gained from potential upgrades - not just raw performance but also potentially performance/watt. I saw Derbauer doing some very interesting testings with power limiting the 13900K and reaching truly impressive efficiency results for the performance it could deliver, reaching close to 90% of its peak performance while at a wattage level low enough to still be aircooled just fine. THAT is impressive. But I'd also love to see more independent testers verify these results and show their own findings.
@stevenjohnson1692 Жыл бұрын
I also have the 9700k and was just saying how they haven't had them on charts for several generations and it's only 4 gens old, 3 if you exclude the nonexistent 11th gen. The last video that had it was the 10700k video I think.
@EstaDePiPi Жыл бұрын
I have that same cpu paired with a 3060ti, but I’m curious to see it vs this i5,
@tilapiadave3234 Жыл бұрын
@@stevenjohnson1692 non existent 11th Gen ??? Ummmm how about BEST BANG FOR BUCK of that generation the 11400f.
@legowelt0809 Жыл бұрын
Here I am on a 6700k.. I really need to upgrade holy dann! Can’t wait
@tilapiadave3234 Жыл бұрын
@@legowelt0809 12600k has gone on sale a few times in the last week or so ,, fine with a B660 DDR4 if your on a budget like I am :)
@deilusi Жыл бұрын
If your goal is frame time consistency, it's good to cap your FPS at ~85-90% of max you can get. Usually it's giving you some headroom, both in thermal and power, so when those harder frames start, gpu have some space for them go. How much it helps on the high end I don't know, but in my low-end example going from 70 to capped 60 brought lows from middle 20s to middle 30. Obviously it's not always like that, but I recommend it as it seems consistent throughout titles I used.
@dennisjungbauer4467 Жыл бұрын
I kinda noticed that as well that some games have better frametime consistency when playing with V-Sync or when setting a frame limiter via RTSS. But I haven't done proper testing regarding that.
@Thabadthabad Жыл бұрын
It totally helps in lower mid level hardware. Im on 2 pcs, one with 12400f b660 16gig 3060 , and other with 12100f h610 16gig and 6600, In valorant they both give well over 600fps, with vsycn on @144 , capping them at 88% gave me around 45% better frame times online and its a huge difference, especially when theres a lot of commotion on a site with many players with too many util being used.
@tilapiadave3234 Жыл бұрын
Pfffft . Failed finger painting at kindergarten did we?
@oktc68 Жыл бұрын
I cap mine at 161 fps, I've only got a couple of games that ever drop below that on max settings, but I rarely use them. Maybe this CPU will eliminate that very minor inconvenience?
@Tsyras Жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting in the long hours to get this released on NDA day!
@carlitox370 Жыл бұрын
This cpu might be one of the best intel releases ever, in gaming and productivity work you're getting close performance to the best cpus from the previous gen in the 12900k and 5950x, while offering a great price with ddr4 compatibility, well done intel.
@ThePhukst1k Жыл бұрын
The 13 family was the fastest ramp of a product in the history of the company.
@siphi7583 Жыл бұрын
While the i5 is super good, it's hard to say great price with DDR4, if you use DDR4 on the 13600k you're pretty much having alder lake like DDR5 performance or even worse.
@bobjoe109 Жыл бұрын
Really excited for the 13600k! I know you're busy, but when you get a chance it would be nice to know if the contact frames from the 12th gen still work with the 13th gen and if they give the same temperature reduction as with the 12th gen.
@1steelcobra Жыл бұрын
It shouldn't really matter for an i5, the main issue with the i9 was that it was getting a lot hotter and that small coverage difference mattered. I've got an i5-12600K with a corsair 280mm AIO and even in a test that drives it at 100% like Cinebench R23 it never goes over 65c, so it doesn't hit the thermal throttle edge like the top-end parts. That said, it's the exact same socket and IHS specs as 12th gen, so it should be assumed that it will work pretty much exactly the same.
@franksam8610 Жыл бұрын
@@1steelcobra I put it on mine so it won’t bend it idles at 28c
@boerhae Жыл бұрын
Hey, Tom's Hardware posted an article on this. They used the Thermalright frame. Essentially: no noticeable change in temps in the 13900k, between 3 and 12 degree reduction in temps in 13600k dependent on voltage limits.
@Triforian Жыл бұрын
Great review, 13600 looks impressive. Since you brought it up as one of the main competitors, I would've liked to see the 5800X3D in the 4090 game benches.
@proCaylak Жыл бұрын
even though it's a limited production cpu, I'm curious about 5800x3d + rtx 4090 as well
@GewelReal Жыл бұрын
@@proCaylak it's not limited production at all lol
@henriquebritto335 Жыл бұрын
Yes!
@4gbmeans4gb61 Жыл бұрын
With 5800 3d going from 3090 ti to 4090, I seen almost no fps gain. 5800 can’t handle a 4090. I’m upgrading to 13900k. I should have listened to all the reviews saying it will bottleneck.
@NoOne56488 Жыл бұрын
@@4gbmeans4gb61 At 1080p that is correct, at 1440p and above the 58003DX will be fine.
@TheDaNuker Жыл бұрын
I'm looking towards the 13700K, I think with its identical core count configuration as the 12900K we be able to compare directly if we get more performance out of the same core count/thermals/power draw.
@martinrwolfe Жыл бұрын
Prety much what I am looking at but not due to consider an upgrade/replacement till next summer. Just does not seem to a point to i9 on the 12 and 13th gen CPUs. I would rather save some running cost and even under a heavy CAD or Game workload I doubt I would notice the difference.
@gsdwdhdfsdgfgsfhdgsf Жыл бұрын
I’m thinking the same thing and would love for them to benchmark it to really see how much if anything I’d lose with upgrading to the 13700 the thermals of the 13900 is just such an eyesore
@GENKI_INU Жыл бұрын
Not sure if you saw, but Hardware Unboxed's review of the 13700K determined that it's basically the same as a 12900K that draws 5% more power (hotter) while being 10% faster. Not super impressive in my opinion (a 12900K is already VERY difficult to cool). But at least the price to performance is significantly better than the 12900K. Basically, if you already have a 12900K, there's literally no point to get a 13700K. Or even a 13900K, because that needs extreme cooling better than a 420mm AIO.
@JayFlowie Жыл бұрын
I really like the total system price going on there. I thought the total price for 5xxx ryzen was good because of board prices and ddr4 (and ddr4 board available). But Intel has taken the budget area amd is leaving open entirely which is crazy.
@lupintheiii3055 Жыл бұрын
The problem with that is you can lose up to 20% using DDR4 with Intel 13th gen, outside of something like a 13400/F I don't see any value there
@harone3169 Жыл бұрын
@@lupintheiii3055 Source : I made it up
@proCaylak Жыл бұрын
@@harone3169 source: it occured to me in a dream
@metamon2704 Жыл бұрын
I made a separate comment on this, but bringing 'the total system cost' up and not showing benches that includes DDR4 test kind of males bringing that up pointless, since the intel socket is eol people that buy a DDR4 motherboard today will most likely not upgrade that later to a DDR5 motherboard later.
@metamon2704 Жыл бұрын
@@harone3169 He absolutely didn't, it depends on what you are using it for note he said 'up to' - in most instances it's obviously much less than that.
@MrHav1k Жыл бұрын
Intel the midrange king once again. It's great to see. We might have the next i5-2500k on our hands.
@cmdredstrakerofshado1159 Жыл бұрын
Great review I5-13600k looks like a nice upgrade path for me. Right now I've got a Dell desktop i7-8700, 32GB of Ram, and an RTX 1050Ti. If I went I5-13600k, 32gb ram DDR4 /Mobo, and even an RTX3060Ti or used RTX3080 that would be a massive upgrade for modern games at 1440P 👍👍
@explosivescrewdriveralarmm7609 Жыл бұрын
xps 8930? i've got those same specs as well lol
@cmdredstrakerofshado1159 Жыл бұрын
@@explosivescrewdriveralarmm7609 LoL I got my at Costco and it was snail 🐌 slow caca till I added a M2 ssd and more ram . But I've gotten 5 years of good service out it and will keep for back up or second PC
@explosivescrewdriveralarmm7609 Жыл бұрын
@@cmdredstrakerofshado1159 thats so trippy... i got it from costco as well and added like a samsung 512 gb 970 evo m.2 as well as 16 more GB of corsair vengeance lpx ram lol
@vivekshri Жыл бұрын
I am ordering the same specs, will it work with editing apps?
@explosivescrewdriveralarmm7609 Жыл бұрын
@@vivekshri uhh maybe? i'd recommend checking the spec requirement list for whatever application you plan on editing with
@andrewebid1491 Жыл бұрын
I’m glad competition like this is still going on, and I’m glad you and your team are here to spread the news to us
@OC.TINYYY Жыл бұрын
13600K is a beast. Beating a 5800X3D & 7000 series overall in gaming & absolutely torching the 7600X/58003DX in production work. It's only $299 at Microcenter, crazy good deal.
@jayvee8502 Жыл бұрын
The only thing that bothers me is did i really save that much in the long run since you are going to have higher power bills on Intel.
@AspirineHD Жыл бұрын
@@jayvee8502 It not that different -_-
@TheKing-kw6mu Жыл бұрын
yep 100$ cheaper than 5800x3D for the same and sometimes better performance. Insane value.
@OC.TINYYY Жыл бұрын
@@jayvee8502 if you're going to count an extra $15 bucks over time, then you should also count the AM5 platform cost which is double the price in terms of motherboards & also the forced DDR5 cost.
@StudioNirin Жыл бұрын
$15? You must live somewhere with solar or hydro. Or you mum pays your electricity.
@jenrosejenrose741711 ай бұрын
absolutely no regrets getting the 13600kf. A+ processor, no notes.
@Tobez5 ай бұрын
I feel pretty good about my 12700K upgrade. Was using a 7600K for like 7+ years so upgrading to a 12700K has been a massive improvement to everything I do. I could've gone with a 13 series but your 12700K was glowing and seeing it ranked makes me glad I went with 12th gen instead. Appreciate these videos GN!
@BigPimpJunior Жыл бұрын
Glad to see these two competing neck and neck. Both are valid options. Can't wait for those 3d chips though from AMD though. ;)
@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын
X3D chips were a big hit last time -- looking forward to seeing how they do this time!
@matteo964 Жыл бұрын
I really can't see 2 cpus competing neck and neck here, to be honest. Either AMD cuts the 7600x to ~200 (which would translate to sub €300 here) or this won't be a competition.
@BigPimpJunior Жыл бұрын
@@matteo964 I meant the companies overall but your right AMD will need to cut pricing to compete and from the GPU side we know they are no strangers to doing so.
@afriendofafriend5766 Жыл бұрын
@@matteo964 They literally don't. It's the same cpu for the same price. AMD has a better platform. AMD wins
@insight_lolubad Жыл бұрын
@@afriendofafriend5766 cope
@Angel7black Жыл бұрын
The 13600K is the best CPU in a lot of generations imo since the 3600, maybe even better since the multithreading is nipping at the R9’s heels
@Kryptic1046 Жыл бұрын
The 13600K reminds me of the 3570K. It's so strong in gaming and has enough multicore performance that there's almost no need to look at anything else for a gaming-focused machine.
@aubrey-levreau Жыл бұрын
3600 lmao
@meurer13daniel Жыл бұрын
@@Kryptic1046 i'm rocking an "old" 9700f and I'm thinking to upgrad to a 13600k/13400 when that drops. Value is insane, and the 9700 is starting to bottleneck at some modern games. It will be a perfect pair to my 3070
@Kryptic1046 Жыл бұрын
@@meurer13daniel - That would be a solid upgrade. I'm thinking of moving from a 10850K to the 13600K. The 10850 does well enough in games, but I play on a 120hz panel and the 10850 struggles to maintain 120 in some areas of CPU-heavy games like Cyberpunk and AC Origins & Odyssey. The 13600K is a very tempting option.
@spaceli0n Жыл бұрын
5800x3d i think is more deserving
@oskarelmgren Жыл бұрын
The "power efficiency test" section is really good! Lets get a 2d plot with calculation speed vs power efficiency next?
@Later2u Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comparisons. I'm going to upgrade my 12 year old 9770 this upcoming sale season to a i7 12th gen, but with the info you provided, I'm now going with a i5 13th gen and Z690 board using ddr4 RAM.
@ihtenubz9697 Жыл бұрын
Z690 board and ddr5 are currently the same exact price as ddr4 boards and memory. GET THE DDR5
@budgetbajur Жыл бұрын
@@ihtenubz9697 where tf is *good* DDR5 RAM the same price as DDR4?
@ihtenubz9697 Жыл бұрын
@@budgetbajur rip jaws s5 and Corsair vengeance are down in price by ALOT everywhere
@Dlo_BestLife Жыл бұрын
Intel is doing what NVIDIA could have done but hasn't... Gave us a REAL value/performance product for 90% of gamers 13600K is a BEAST! I ordered one today
@asdbef3667 Жыл бұрын
You are gonna regret it with intel Cancel the order nowwww
@Dlo_BestLife Жыл бұрын
@@asdbef3667 Nah I'm good bro 👍 Thanks for the concern
@asdbef3667 Жыл бұрын
@@Dlo_BestLife you wont be..its a Dead platform with no cpu upgrade I dont understand how you guys still fall into intel monopoly
@Dlo_BestLife Жыл бұрын
@@asdbef3667 I'm using a 12600k & my buddy is gonna buy it from me for $150. The total cost of $175 for a upgrade ain't got me worried man. I got 2 generations out of this MB. I'm solid. The 13600k is gonna be just fine for at least 2 years.
@asdbef3667 Жыл бұрын
@@Dlo_BestLife waste of money lol Bought two gens of soon to be dead platform and you take them as value?
@andrewjmarx Жыл бұрын
As someone that cares more about efficiency than raw peak performance, I appreciate the Power Efficiency section. I would love to see it updated eventually to include some processors set to their more power efficient modes as well (e.g., AMD's Eco mode; I believe Intel has a similar option?).
@GSP-76 Жыл бұрын
Yes but isn't AMD's ECO mode not working properly on Ryzen 7000 right now?
@jamesc3953 Жыл бұрын
Why do people care about efficiency so much? Thermals? Is it ignorant to just say buy a bigger power supply?
@xslvrxslwt Жыл бұрын
You can get much better performance when you undervolt/tdp limit both of AMD and Intel so power efficiency is kind of *irrelevant* here
@farmeunit Жыл бұрын
If you care about efficiency, who even look at these?
@GSP-76 Жыл бұрын
@@jamesc3953 because a lot of people build ITX systems.
@TheFattenedSausage Жыл бұрын
Man. The color grading in the video is so heckin NICE!
@gold3263301 Жыл бұрын
Steve really embracing the "Tech Jesus" moniker with these thumbnails. Love it.
@dustinc.h.8143 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Papa... Yeeeaaahhhhh! 🤣 Thanks for all the hard work with these reviews Steve, I'm sure it's been crazy lately with all the releases haha! And I love that you're moving your film set around the testing lab to film a lot of the review in different places; Excellent lighting and colors!
@Peiffer.jacob13 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the well organized data! Just bought my first gpu ever last week( used 3080) and I think I am just going with the 12600k. It should be good enough for another gpu upgrade in the future.
@asdf51501 Жыл бұрын
I’m just popping in to congratulate you on that purchase, and I hope you enjoy the hell out of it.
@damara2268 Жыл бұрын
For me 13600K costs only 10$ more than 12600K lol, an easy choice like this
@pavelbratchenko3885 Жыл бұрын
There is a catch in those benchmarks: you guys talking a lot about how it is cheaper to get into intel platform, but at the same time you testing it with DDR5 memory. It would be nice to see what kind of perfomance drop you'll see with DDR4 memory on intel platform. Great video otherwise tho, keep it up!
@NikoleiBellic Жыл бұрын
Going to jump from i5 2500k to this and a new system. 2011 CPU was still going strong.
@0Turbox Жыл бұрын
True. Most of us upgrade because we can, not because we have to.
@VandalDecaProductions Жыл бұрын
This is starting to look like a good move up from my old i5-8400. Interested to see an evaluation of the 13700 for comparison.
@showerasmr5764 Жыл бұрын
D o I t
@showerasmr5764 Жыл бұрын
U know you want too
@aldousfoxly Жыл бұрын
I said to myself "8400??? That sounds ANCIENT" And them promptly remembered that my 4690k is probably older. I think it's time to upgrade...
@GMDMendeleev Жыл бұрын
@@aldousfoxly my family computer is still rocking a core duo lmao
@SirPoppy Жыл бұрын
@@aldousfoxly lmfao same cpu. Gonna upgrade after big UK nationwide exam season (june/july) but hope to get a 4790k to extend my 1070ti a bit before christmas
@MistyKathrine Жыл бұрын
The upgraded lighting looks great and adds more warmth to the video.
@Splarkszter Жыл бұрын
THIS IS HOW I WANT CORPOS TO FIGHT FOR MY MONEY. AMD i'm waiting your response.
@nicolasvillamil7523 Жыл бұрын
This is an awesome time for PC enthusiasts. The 13600k is like the 2500k of this generation, it's gonna be solid for a long fuckin time
@fredocuomo5386 Жыл бұрын
its nice to see 13600k isnt power hungry like the 13900k...still very happy with my 5800x3d
@0SCJustJohn Жыл бұрын
This looks like the go-to for gamers right now, but what makes me the most excited is how promising this is for the 13400F as a budget option, and potentially forcing AMD to release a 7600X3D which could be a mid range gaming monster.
@svn5994 Жыл бұрын
7800x3D*
@0SCJustJohn Жыл бұрын
@@svn5994 They're going to do a 7800X3D no matter what though. More interested to see if this makes them release a mid range X3D.
@christians.597 Жыл бұрын
@natsumei mass production already started ! I expect announcement at ces 23 and release around march.
@RafitoOoO Жыл бұрын
The 13400F will be a 12600k with E cores disabled. You already know how it performs.
@gergelykiss1142 Жыл бұрын
@@RafitoOoO it will be 6 P cores and 4 E cores.
@loransalabood3386 Жыл бұрын
This is really impressive work! I have never seen a review like this. Thanks alot!
@jonosvlog9913 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! The 13600k is really incredible for the price to performance ratio. That’s going to be my new build in 2023! To make it perfect, the GPU prices need to come down a lot more to make PC building more appealing again.
@nafis6668 Жыл бұрын
I just build 13600K + asus 3070 dual OC gaming rig. For the price it still beats any gaming laptop at the similar price range. quieter, cooler , more stable and easier to service.
@teeaymusik9811 Жыл бұрын
@@nafis6668 Owner of the 13600K too. I switched from i5 4690K. Insane improvement.
@nafis6668 Жыл бұрын
@@teeaymusik9811 it's cool to see the processor goes up to 5.1Ghz, it also adds FPS and reduce render time significantly 😁
@teeaymusik9811 Жыл бұрын
@@nafis6668 Even with several programs open and games, the cpu is chillin at 2-5% usage lmao. And yeah for example loading screens at fallout 4 are 50% faster now. The speed is just enjoyable.
@Rob13Oz Жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see how the 13700k compares 🤔
@xslvrxslwt Жыл бұрын
It's on 7900x's level obviously (as 13600K beats both 7600x and 7700x by a margin)
@aubrey-levreau Жыл бұрын
@@xslvrxslwt I sure hope so, I was thrilled when the 12700k beat every Zen 3 CPU when that launched. It tied the 5950X only in some cases, but it was also literally half the price and has better RAM support and architecture lmao. Intel forever.......
@Rob13Oz Жыл бұрын
@@xslvrxslwt I'm keen to see how the new AMD x3d CPU's compare when they release.. The 5800x3d can still hang with raptor lake so hopefully the 7800x3D is as impressive.. For me it's that or the 13700k that I'm interested in
@xslvrxslwt Жыл бұрын
@@Rob13Oz I believe X3D is purely for gayming so I'm not really interested, you don't even need ZEN4 or 12-13gen to game, even $150 CPUs won't bottleneck a 4090
@Rob13Oz Жыл бұрын
@@xslvrxslwt Yeah provided you have a big display it's gpu bound, I'm starting fresh so I want something reasonable just for gaming
@jthiel0711 Жыл бұрын
Yup. Definitely upgrading my i5 6600k to the 13600k. Now what to upgrade my 980ti to.... hopefully AMD shows some good things on Nov. 3rd.
@bloodyzbub6213 Жыл бұрын
If you're playing at 1080p then go with an Nvidia 3000 series. A 3070 with the 13600k would be insane and you would save a ton of money. 1440p I'd go with a 3080 or whatever you can afford. 4k = 4000 series
@rulik006 Жыл бұрын
Buy z690-F or z690 master with hynix 2x16gb 120-150$ Those boards can push Hynix M die to 6800 stable, almost like a 2dimm boards
@-aexc- Жыл бұрын
I feel like the compile tests should be run on a rolling Linux distro with the latest kernel because most people compiling code would be doing so on a Linux platform and the latest kernel for the CPU specific optimizations
@ShainAndrews Жыл бұрын
You used linux in a sentence. Good job.
@crylune Жыл бұрын
How about both? Why only Linux? Why leave out the majority of the market share and appeal to the 2% using Linux? Visual Studio exists.
@abear9473 Жыл бұрын
Hi GN, it would be super useful if you can include 1-2 4k benchmarks for cpu as well to see when cpu upgrade start to make sense for 4k gaming across different generations. Some of us like to use mid tier cpus with high end gpus. At 4k I feel that 1% low is way more important than avg fps.
@Abu_Shawarib Жыл бұрын
4k is still GPU bound, CPU comparisons are almost useless.
@youssautomata Жыл бұрын
100%, I'm wondering if I should replace my i7-8700k with this i5-13600K to pair it with 3080 for 4K gaming.
@abear9473 Жыл бұрын
@@Abu_Shawarib Within 2-3 years it may be close. The interesting question I'd like to ask is how long can one hold on to a mid tier cpu before needing to upgrade at 4k.
@abear9473 Жыл бұрын
And also keep in mind that when the game is only hovering around 60 fps @ 1% low, a 10 fps difference can be quite significant and very noticeable vs. a 10 fps difference at 120+ fps. So I think a 1% low benchmark @ 4k would be more important than many would think.
@granthartley Жыл бұрын
Yep, I’d also be 100% on board for this. Trying to figure out when my 9700K will begin bottle necking me on a 4090 type GPU, when playing in VR. I’d assume not yet, especially since I’m able to supersample past 4K with todays GPU’s, but I also thought similar back when I had a 6600K and upgraded to the 9700K, and it absolutely made a huge difference in alleviating 1% lows/stutters in iracing. 😅
@covante4822 Жыл бұрын
I think AMD's current competitor for the 12100f is the 5600 non-x which has been hovering around 130-140 for a while and is providing excellent value down there.
@runninginthe90s75 Жыл бұрын
Great job by Intel gen 13th delivering very decent price to performance, meanwhile Amd has been a lot disappointing with Zen 4, not only Amd is overheating but also the Cpu itself is overpriced, r9 7950x is $150-200 more than i9-13900K still Amd can't beat Intel in full benchmark, not to mention Intel still compatible with DDR4. Intel totally destroyed Amd here.
@Jack_Sparrow131 Жыл бұрын
@@runninginthe90s75 Agreed on that.. but it's the end of the road for Intel LGA1700 (660, Z690 & Z790) while AMD5 Platform will run for the next 3 years minimum (2022-2025) A wise man will wait for B650 to hit below $150 spot & pick the non X veriants of Ryzen 7600 or 7700 (or 7800x3D in 2023) if U have the money & want the best Gaming king CPU in next year
@Krytern Жыл бұрын
@@Jack_Sparrow131 Most people don't upgrade after only 3 years anyway. Most need to change motherboard with every upgrade because of this either way.
@MitternachtAngel Жыл бұрын
The i3 12100 is 140 USD with a iGPU the 12100f is 105 USD. It makes no sense to buy AM4 at last you have the motherboard already. And we are talking about CPUs most people don't need. Most people can be happy with an i5 10400 maybe for the next 10 years. For gaming these new CPUs are just a bragging rights buy. Why a normal person would need more than 120fps? Even 60fps is enough and you can have 120fps with an i5 10gen in any competitive title, the i3 12gen is trading blows with the i9 10900k in gamin and we are talking about upgrading from 12gen?
@ETin6666 Жыл бұрын
For gamers, that's really good value. But it's a shame AMD completely bailed on the budget r3 line. Some of my friends and family want a ~$120 cpu with an igpu for browsing and light office work and most have been recommended the 12100 because it has no competition. There is demand for those cpus.
@06blackmetal Жыл бұрын
Never imagined a world Intel beats AMD in productivity, gaming and value at the same time
@sparklingbra Жыл бұрын
Not a decisively victory. They’re trading blows while AMD has the more power efficient design despite Intel ironically trying to market their hybrid ‘efficiency’ core architecture.
@pedroduran8927 Жыл бұрын
AMD forced them to improve. But to be fair, in power efficiency amd still wins. AMD CPU's overclocks and undervolts easier.
@rawrmonster6782 Жыл бұрын
@@pedroduran8927 thats only in the higher end tho didnt the graph show 13600k was more efficient than 7600x and 7700x?
@innocentiuslacrim2290 Жыл бұрын
@@rawrmonster6782 yeah, but AMD fanboys are just grasping straws here. Intel wins this gen and they won the Alder Lake -gen also.
@1mol831 Жыл бұрын
AMD seems to be focusing on gaming market and Intel focusing on trying to beat AMD by price on lower end market.
@Didymuss1 Жыл бұрын
For this gen and last gen, I've been considering upgrading from my 1700. Honestly though I'm still quite satisfied with it, no matter how much Steve calls me out for having an old man CPU.
@Merjia Жыл бұрын
We are finally getting back into some exciting competition in the PC hardware game again.
@justhitreset858 Жыл бұрын
I don't normally scroll through comments unless I want more info on the video from other's perspectives....but damn, so many people mad that a different company than their favorite made a compelling product for consumers. Be happy that there's this level of competition to keep each company trying their best to please us, the consumers.
@Frost640 Жыл бұрын
I've always been a fan of the 600 series sku's, they've been a fantastic price to performance option in every generation.
@raresmacovei8382 Жыл бұрын
9600K, 10600K and 11600K were complete no goes vs Ryzen 5 honestly.
@raindropbebop Жыл бұрын
@@raresmacovei8382 10600 was a steal price:performance. Pretty much all can OC to 5.0, or undervolt while holding 4.8. It was such a strong showing compared to the 9600, which did not have hyperthreading. All 11th gen was meh.
@MHawk-px7dm Жыл бұрын
Just letting you know I didn't skip forward. You guys are great...no cap
@lordseph Жыл бұрын
The new lighting on Steve adds to his Tech Jesus powers. The new lighting setup looks great!
@rougenaxela Жыл бұрын
The 13600K is holding up better in production workloads than I expected, which is making me kinda tempted to consider it... I think I'm still going to wait for now, but this is definitely a stronger showing from Intel than I expected.
@user-xx8tn4kx4l Жыл бұрын
yeah specifically when someone testing and showing some numbers with ddr5 performance complying with ddr4 price cost...little unfair i guess
@damara2268 Жыл бұрын
@@user-xx8tn4kx4l even while using ddr5 the CPU still costs less than Ryzen 7700x which it beats, motherboards cheaper as well.
@user-xx8tn4kx4l Жыл бұрын
@@damara2268 not an argue cuz cooling system cost a lot in some cases, and i think intel can afford selling cpu with+\-0 profit just for keepin intelboys and girls
@RogerRamjetLips Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great review Steve. I think I am going to wait for the 7800X3D and 13700K and see how those 2 CPU's do in your tests before pulling the trigger. I need a new motherboard too and probably will go with a DDR5 board, hoping their idiotic prices will come down between now and January when the 7800X3D is released, allegedly.
@komi1834 Жыл бұрын
5800x3d is the gaming king still, at least until new x3d CPU(s) drop from AMD
@alphen9676 Жыл бұрын
Sure but its bound to old memory. Will probably fall off quickly in the coming years. If anyone is in the market for new mobo, they should definitely skip the 5800x3d and wait for November.
@RogerRamjetLips Жыл бұрын
@@alphen9676 i said 7800X3D, not 5800X3D!
@TheBorsMistral Жыл бұрын
Great review. However, if you have a price table comparison that makes Intel looks better priced by having an older mobo and DDR4, it would be nice to also include benchmarks from such or also include the price of Intel on their latest board and DDR5...
@devalapar7878 Жыл бұрын
But if you buy the latest stuff, you aren't a budget buyer. And even with future compatibility in mind, ddr4 today and ddr5 later makes more sense for the budget. If you want the fastest, 13th gen uses faster DDR5 memory than the 7000 series as far as I know.
@bunyan2422 Жыл бұрын
I'm still using an intel i7 6700k and have been for many years at this point. This winter I'm going to be finally dropping some christmas bonus money on a new motherboard, cpu and ram so your reviews are a great source of info for me!
@bonowastaken Жыл бұрын
just clock it at 5.0.. really no difference.
@tastysouv6942 Жыл бұрын
The 13600k is really an all round BEAST! All higher tier cpu's seem so far past the point of diminishing returns this gen and the cheaper 7600x gets made to look silly. This number of P+E cores seem like a perfect example of what intel was trying to achieve with heterogenous core configs. The saturation of multi threading performance with seemingly cheap to fab e-cores bridges the gap between intel 7 and tsmc N5 being used by AMD so well; where there should be a 40% efficiency difference. It's really hard to make an argument for anyone buying anything other than a 13600k when it comes so close to a 7900x in so many scenario's; even 4090 buyers should be happy with a 13600k.
@obamalastname34 Жыл бұрын
Wish we can see oc benchmark of i5-13600k.
@rulik006 Жыл бұрын
@@obamalastname34 on actuall hardcore overclocking 13600k 5.6ghz stable
@obamalastname34 Жыл бұрын
@@rulik006hi newbie here is that stable with arctic ii 420mm? But I won't be using gpu or buying since I'm still waiting to decide my questions is it ok to oc it while gaming premiere pro and after effects without gpu?
@rulik006 Жыл бұрын
@@obamalastname34 yes
@coryhames9331 Жыл бұрын
I am going to build my first ever desktop on black Friday. I've always had laptops. I've had a mental crush on the 5800x3D for so long. The 13600K is compelling. But I still worry that the next gen 3D variants from AMD are going to be change the game once again.. Curious for guidance for someone who is building from scratch. I don't want to wait until after CES but I've come this far 🙁 Also shout-out to the editor that always puts the time-remaining bar in the charts. What a great addition - saves me from pausing out of fear every time!
@allenyung8863 Жыл бұрын
Congrats on going to build your 1st rig. what r u going to use a pc for and why the switch? IMO if you are building an entirely new pc. Go with a new platform. Try to keep the cost down and have a budget. Really easy to over spend while buying components. The 5800x 3d is good for ppl that have an amd rig already n not ready nor have the money to upgrade platforms during a recession. I think on black Friday/ cyber Monday. Try to find a deal on monitor and GPU. Those r way more important to focus on while budgeting a rig. Good luck
@lenin8734 Жыл бұрын
even am in same dilemma going to build the pc from scratch can 13600k handle 4090 at 4k
@CINENIMUS Жыл бұрын
WOW your lighting way improved - well done - keep up the good work!
@wow_horac4663 Жыл бұрын
Don't know if AMD will adjust prices but if they were to do a 50 dollar cut across the board it would position the 7700x against the 13600 which would be a much closer race for performance. Platform costs will come down as the motherboard manufacturers stop milking the early adopters and DDR 5 continues to fall. If you're looking for a 13th gen intel check out Microcenter if you have one near you. They have the new cpus at the tray cost which puts them bellow other retailers. Not sure how long that deal will last. They list the 13900K at $560 and advertise that as a 160 dollar discount over regular store price.
@WaffleCake Жыл бұрын
I think a K-Sku i3 would be really compelling. Most games only use 1-4 cores anyway, so getting the fastest single-threaded performance for $130-150 is really the only CPU I'm genuinely interested in.
@nix123ism Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I had a 10100f and have a 12100f now, in most games, you wouldn't even notice a difference between these and an 8 core cpu, the 12100f can play 99% of games at over 80fps, so that's all most people need.....
@WaffleCake Жыл бұрын
@@nix123ism Right. Not to mention, y'know, GPU bottlenecks since most people aren't buying 3090-class GPUs.
@BurntFaceMan Жыл бұрын
My 8700k sat looking at those numbers, shedding a tear. The I7 990 my partner has sat next to it has just melted. ^_^ time for another update maybe.
@JohnnyWednesday Жыл бұрын
All I want is a single retro episode where steve wears a hat and benchmarks the 3DNow version of Sub Culture.
@rsmith02 Жыл бұрын
I was planning on getting an i7 12th gen but it looks like the i5-3600K gives better performance for less so I'll be going that route!
@aubrey-levreau Жыл бұрын
Get the 12700K, absolute best value. It preforms right under the top two 7K Zen 4 chips, and is cheaper than both, especially since the Z690 platform supports DDR4.
@SAVAGENEDVED Жыл бұрын
I just bought the 12700KF when it dropped it $300 on Amazon last week, so you can definitely still get good deals on the previous generation. It just depends if you want to be more skates for DDR5 in the future.
@rsmith02 Жыл бұрын
@@aubrey-levreau How is it best value if it's selling for $360 and the 13600 is $330 despite slightly worse performance? I can't use AMD or KF as I need an Intel iGPU for the video editing I do (good for decoding).
@polarbear9672 Жыл бұрын
@@aubrey-levreau The 12700k does not perform close to Ryzen 7000 when running DDR4. For that kind of performance you would need DDR5-5600 or higher.
@saricubra2867 Жыл бұрын
@@rsmith02 8p+4e is better than 6p+8e
@doomsday5286 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for all your testing and hard work!
@Alexandra-Rex Жыл бұрын
Great job as always! Very happy to see competition in this market.
@danielwilson7494 Жыл бұрын
Power of the i5! My first build was an overclocked i5-6600k. Still running at 4.8 nearly 7 years later
@starley_ Жыл бұрын
People are saying that getting the i7-13700k is better because of their longevity. Is it true that the performance of i5 drops off that much? How are games running?
@teeaymusik9811 Жыл бұрын
I runned a 4690K for years and i cant believe how much faster my 13600K is now. It's day and night difference.
@GainingDespair Жыл бұрын
Sadly can't afford these anymore, hopefully the i3's are good =/
@SevendashGaming Жыл бұрын
You guys must be the absolute busiest right now. Really appreciate these benchmarks and excited that AMD held up their promises on efficiency. This is going to be a fun generation overall, I just hope the motherboard market comes down a little bit to help encourage us to leave our current sockets.
@yumyong3847 Жыл бұрын
Myabe I missed it, but if you are going to talk about platform cost when referring to specific benchmarks, such as at 10:00, then the "as tested" platform cost should be used, i.e. the the tested 13600 + DDR5 cost, not the not-tested DDR4 cost. Ideally, the 13600 testing should have included both DDR5 and DDR4 configurations.
@dangerpizzaslice Жыл бұрын
I like how the table lamp shakes in terror in front of the raptors
@blubase06 Жыл бұрын
This is what we need with the new Radeon series. Outperform the competition at a lower cost to get them to lower their prices
@zeropride1133 Жыл бұрын
6000 series was very competitive. They needed larger dies so they can attack nvidias line up better though.
@Geardos1 Жыл бұрын
the i5 is the new i7 (gets into low-mid range production tier performance), the i7 is the new i9 (actually fast enough for production work), and the i9 is a new heater for your office space, right in time for winter.
@levygaming3133 Жыл бұрын
Really impressed with how often and how close the 13600k scores near the 5950x! That’s an i5 vs AMDs last gen halo. Crazy!
@Safetytrousers Жыл бұрын
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@deuswulf6193 Жыл бұрын
It's a weird feeling when the i5's are priced at a point that used to be for high end CPUs in the past. Either way, this vid helped in committing to building a 13600k rig for my wife.
@Muninnnr Жыл бұрын
I'm currently looking into building a whole now PC and the last couple of weeks have been wild. I was originally going to go with the i5-12600K and a RTX 3090Ti, but it looks like I'll be going with the i5-13600K and either a 4090 or a 4080 depending on what the benchmarks end up showing.
@thatguy3000 Жыл бұрын
Just buy a CPU, it isn't like either is gonna bottleneck for quite some time. And as for a GPU, if you can maintain the thermals, then go for the 4090, the benchmarks are waaaay over 3090 ti. Also go for a 1 kilowatt power supply to be safe.
@yamsbeans Жыл бұрын
Get the 4080 it’s a better looking number
@mikem9536 Жыл бұрын
If you have the money for a 4090, don't cheap out with an i5, you want at least the i7-13700k.
@brendanhoffmann8402 Жыл бұрын
Made the switch to AMD last year after an eternity on Intel boards... Definitley rather get a 5800x3d than upgrade to a whole new platform but it is a great new prospect...
@Noctimor Жыл бұрын
Lighting in this one looks particularly great. I think I missed this when E-cores were introduced a while ago, but I still don’t really know how they behave. Do you have a video that goes into when they kick in and how you might control that?
@kresimirzvonko Жыл бұрын
Yes this please. ^^
@vr0k3n Жыл бұрын
All the channels I'm subbed to have only uploaded the top of line for the 1% CPU while you're the only one uploading actual value CPU's
@tyabbott8368 Жыл бұрын
One thing I would like to see is comparisons of these CPU’s in more realistic systems. I get that you want to use the best GPU possible in order to limit GPU bottlenecks. One issue I’ve noticed with this approach is that the 5800X3D really thrives when there is a more balanced system. The extra cache seems to help the GPU out and you can see this in benchmarks that are more GPU limited like AAA titles. In many of your benchmarks the GPU is so overkill that the benefits of that processor aren’t shown, and I think it would be beneficial to show benchmarks with a mid-tier GPU because most people aren’t pairing an i5 with a $1600 GPU. Anyways thank you for the review. I really value the work the team at GN put into these reviews!
@C0smicThund3r Жыл бұрын
Platform cost is a weird comparison. The upfront cost may be higher on the AMD side, but in the long run, if AM5 is a longer lasting socket, you should save money overall. That does put you in a strange position short term. If you want greater performance, do you pay to save money over a longer period of time, or do you go for the higher performance today and risk needing to change motherboard?
@1steelcobra Жыл бұрын
You risk needing to upgrade your mobo with both depending on what advances show up in the next 3-5 years*. If you're an early adopter who is likely to be upgrading your CPU every other generation, then sure, AMD long-term will be cheaper IF they maintain the same 5-gen per socket lifecycle. But if you tend to upgrade CPUs once every 5+ generations, you're buying a new mobo next upgrade anyways and Intel is cheaper long-run right now. *For example, Z170 boards only supported SATA on its M.2 ports, while Z270 supported PCIe 3.0 NVMe.
@kristoferfc6525 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the nod of approval to the 13600K considering it's efficiency and power for dollar
@fatelvis1473 Жыл бұрын
I can't get over the lamp shaking on the side. It's mesmerizing