I will say thank you for putting the video! I have a zj and the steering is loose and I’m thinking about going the 1-ton steering just like this one and you gave me a boost of motivation

2-Doors are awesome, I have a 97 2dr.

Haha, just like the good ol' times...

Need to find a girl?????

Never heard of 'em, but I did notice that video thumbing through. May have to take a peek when I finally get around to it myself...

Interesting, I was wondering if they throw axle alignment off at all. I know mine are a little beat up from rocks, wouldn't mind some beefier brackets If I knew I could weld em on straight

Exact thing happened to my jeep. Ended up just replacing the whole front end.

Mmmmmm...... Garage...........

Nah, mine is tight enough that it's fine.

After getting the long arms and fixing my caster, it seems to be better now

So far so good, they are still holding up quite well and I haven't lubricated them once. But I believe the teflon coding does that for you and lube might just attract dirt.

Steering Box Spacer. The factory one is a weak aluminum section that is known to crap and will give lots of wiggle to the box. I still haven't gotten around to installing it as I plan to take the box out and tap it, maybe rebuild it too. But since this is a full steering replacement, i'm sure you'd notice a difference with this. Ironman4x4 sells an external steering box brace to keep it from wiggling the rest of the way which can also help to tighten it up but you might not notice a difference with smaller tires.

NickInTimeFilms Ok cool, thanks. Im on 35s with stock steering and a rebuilt box, so im sure anything will help at this point haha.

Well they are both heim joint steering kits. Cavfab is under the knuckle and requires you mount to the top of the pitman arm or get a track bar drop bracket to work. I've also heard shipping can take a while. Iron Rock Off Road is over the knuckle and still keeps all your factory angles. When set-up properly, either kit would work for a DD

I don't know If I've been able to flex the kit out that hard yet but no contact issues on my end. How much lift do you have? Steering Damper clears properly but since I didn't adjust it right the first time I ruined the seal and all the fluid leaked out so it's useless now.

I have the 6" Long arm kit from Full Traction Suspension Part #FTS720601. Only contacts when both front shocks are compressed, not while articulating either side. Hope I am not the only one with this problem. I also destroyed my damper, removed it, and running without one. Seems to be just fine. Anyways, keep up the good work! and give us an update on the steering in the future and let us know how its holding up. THANKS!

Yeah bro you need two nuts 💪😂

So far so good, I'm happy with em. Decently quiet on the road with good road manners. They kicked ass in PA too, hard to get them to actually spin out.

I'll get to put it to the test in a couple weeks. I'm hoping to dial the toe in so it doesn't wander at highway speeds, but besides that I'm very happy with the craftsmanship and the responsiveness.

That's just the dragink, to be expected untill the joints tighten up

@@NickInTimeFilms Thank you for the speedy response. I was worried that I had more things wrong with my Jeep. Much appreciated from a fellow Jersey Jeeper.

It's the drag link bouncing up at down. It wore my drag link joints out at like 8k miles.

This is the 1/2" kit, doesn't require any drilling or reaming.

That seems to be the hottest question for heim steering, IRO or CavFab. Now obviously since their draglink mounts to the top of the knuckle, your steering angles are now out of whack. The common solution I've seen is to just mount to draglink to the top of the pitman arm as well and everything seems happy again.

NickInTimeFilms yeah i saw that and was wondering a solution, thanks!! Keep the awesome vids coming!

+Jared Kerwood good question. Id call IRO and see what they have to say, there customer service is very friendly and there's enough guys around that someone should have the answer. The only think I can't think of is clearneces during flexing maybe, but I feel like it might work.

thanks man

I still like this kit a lot. I had to replace the pitman arm joint because of a steering box leak, but otherwise it's done what I need.

@@NickInTimeFilms thanks man, I appreciate your response, I enjoy your videos too, I’m fixing up my pops MJ and your how to’s are unbelievably helpful so thank you

I'm not too confident in my angle finding abilities but the lower bend might be around 30º

Yep, didn't do a single thing to this kit. It's simple and easy, but I really wish there was some way to easily adjust the toe. It seems to want to wander a little at high speeds but it could be my wheel bearings, or it needs a touch more toe. Maybe i just didn't notice it when my steering was so loose. or maybe a steering stabilizer really does make a difference. I still really like this kit though.

27:42 is your ticket. I had 2 gloved fingers worth of clearance at full lock

+NickInTimeFilms ok thanks a lot! This may just be the kit for me!

IRO = Iron Rock Offroad. Link in the description

Steering is doing good. Noticing a little corrosion on the heims though so I should look into how to clean and lube them properly. Very smooth and makes it easier to turn the wheel. I'm not sure if i even need hydro assist anymore, we will see in april. And Hell no, lol. If I'm doing something that'll break a heim, then I need wantons or a chill pill, haha.

haha good enough for me. can't wait to install it

Are you talking about the clamp that mounts on the tie rod and bolts to the steering stabilizer? Because then yes

After I got the alignment right it's been fine. Had to replace the pitman heim last year but that's because ps fluid kept leaking on it. Otherwise it's been fine.

Offroad it's excellent, a lot smoother to turn and doesn't get caught on the rocks much anymore. Actually took a deer to the passenger side links around 35 and not even a scratch. Did have to tighten it up after that though. On road I'm not as sure, it's very responsive, but it like to dart around on the highway. I'm not sure if i need more toe, if the caster needs to be adjusted, or is something is wiggling around but it's a constant struggle on the highway unless you're going 70 and then the tires hold themselves straight lol. might not be the steerings fault, but my setup still needs work

Not a smart move for all situations as some steering rods are thin and with time can get a weak spot and break, but with your set up try removing your steering stabilizer and take on the HWY. Some times they throw off the track bar I`ve had a few hardcore Jeep vets tell me to get 1 ton steering rods and toss that stupid shock.

You probably need ball joints to with those huge tires you must go through many....?

Ball Joints are only a couple years old, Hub Bearings changed this year, steering stabilizer is dead so i might as well just take it off. Wondering if the box is flexing, if the spacer is finally cracked, is alignment or goofy tires or what. just annoying.

Yeah remove shock. Definitely check steering box your bolts are probably lose make sure you use torque wrench you don`t want to bent in the uni-body they go through... I bought the JCR steering box brace was easy to install, also welded metal plate to the uni-body on the other side due to a crack forming under the stock swaybar mounting bolts... Solid now as the bolts go trough the JCR brace and metal plate on the outer side :] Also welded a plate where the crack was forming on the bottom of the uni-body that was hinding under the swaybar bolts.

Not sure the exact model as it's my dad's but it pretty decently powerful. The 1/2" has a good amount of force behind it and seems to even surprise me with what it can take off but I have low expectations. It should be fine for low to medium duty jobs but for the BIG jobs I just grab the 1/2" Air Impact as the good ones have a really heavy hit.

I have seen that monster, and it makes a lot of sense. Price is actually pretty good too. I want to go try this setup out on the rocks but I doubt it's gonna do what I want. I'm thinking about going hydro assist so that should take a lot of the load off the box anyway.

Why not both? lol

Lol, Guess it depends if it would still be necessary with the assist taking most of the grunt. It certainly can't hurt, just depends if I feel like going through with it.

Not that I know of, it feels tight and responsive, almost a little too much at times. have you done anything to your track bar or a drop pitman arm?

track bar is a rustys. I think I may need to wait to pass judgment Intel I put new tires on. I'm hoping the tires are just road walking a bit when I hit bumps making it feel like bumpsteer

Hmm. So you replaced the whole unit and still nothing? The clicking you hear is most likely the relay turning the motor on and off, unless it like a constant clicking which would indicate something is broken. I would assume the wiring and the switch are ok if it makes a noise when you hit the button so i would think it's either the plug, or maybe a faulty relay with burned out contacts, or something else not happy.

No it's not a constant clicking. I'll try getting a new relay for it and see if that helps

Did you line it up properly? If not you probably killed the motor. You'll still hear the relay click but it won't move if the motor is burnt out. Easy fix though.

Or it is electrical. A jeep with electrical problems, say it isn't so :P

I'd say it really firms up that part of the steering. Once it's aligned i'd say it's a pretty good setup.

Thank Im gonna go ahead and do this

So far this kit has held up fine. Joints are still fairly tight and I have never lubed them or really cleaned them off. Steering is still tight and responsive for this kit, But i'm still trying to track down an overall looseness of my whole system. I'm wondering if the box or frame is bending a little or something, still need to look into it more. But I still like this kit a lot and would probably get it again if I needed too. I would also recommend Iron Mans Ton+ kit because it is a TRUE Y-Link kit so tierod roll will not be an issue with that. For extreme weather / lots of corrosion, you may be better off long term with Tie Rod Ends since they are greasable with boots, but these heims are lasting much better then the Rubicon Express Track Bar one so either way should go well

NickInTimeFilms ya my factory steering has held up well even though the boot on the Y is torn due to sway bar bracket binding. Still holds grease. But ya will need an upgrade one day and im slow at doing so... First my main seal.. &( almost scared of atempting that but have know-how from you so thanks on that. Was a awesome video too btw :) After that install my Rubi HD Trackbar and brace

Hmm if only we could put a 9 speed tranny on pur jeeps and fet better MPG. .alas one can dream

Hi Nick, so i went with a 1 ton steering upgrade from a different company. But i need to replace the ball joints in it and it flip flops.. also it limited my steering as its a strait bar across from one knuckle to the other. UTK. It kits the track bar bolt. Issue is I reamed out the pitman arm and knuckles. I thought it was a better kit due to not having heim joints. My trackbar was the one you have and it got loose and clanky and creeked. I was wondering if you have had issues with this steering now as its been 5 years since you installed it? Heim joints ok? And have you thought about rubber booties for the joints and put them on with a load of grease inside? Thanks Rob

I had to replace the pitman heim because steering fluid leaked onto it and wore it out a bit. Otherwise it's been fine for me

That's normal

I just got the half inch version all put in and drag link is resting on the rod....what am I doing wrong?

Make sure to hold the drag link up higher before tightening the clamp. I think the directions say what angle it should sit at when resting.

@@NickInTimeFilms thank you, that is what I have trying to do, I must not be holding it up enough or tightening it enough.

@@NickInTimeFilms is there a certain way drag link bar should be installed or can it be installed both ways? That could be my issue if so, otherwise I just move jeep real quick and steering feels and responded amazingly good!

Yeah... kinda goofed on that one the first time around. I'll be eventually replacing it with something that will certainly stabilize things but that's sometime in the future...

Well I can't say much about long term since i've only had this for a few months, but it's been good so far. The biggest issue is just keeping them clean so they last longer

Did you do the research on how to keep the heims clean and greased?

Not yet. I do know that since they are teflon lined you are not suppose to use wd-40 as lube because it eats it away or something. I'll look it up one of these days.

NickInTimeFilms thanks a lot and I just put a set of tie rod ends so i just going to wait for then to get really bad! and then I'll be getting this set up thanks again for your time

No. If you have a drop pitman then you need a drop trackbar to match.

I think the wandering was from my caster being so far off with the 6" lift. Steering is still fairly responsive but the system as a whole has a little play, probably from the box to frame or something. I'm also getting some odd wobble for a second when I hit big bumps, still looking into that. Jeeps....

NickInTimeFilms so what was the wobble all about? I’ll be using this system on my MJ and I wanna go ahead and get what I need to avoid any hang ups. Thanks man✌🏼

Good question, it drives straight now, only issue left is over certain hard bumps there are a few death wobble shimmies and then it goes back to normal. New HD track bar, this steering, 3 link long arm kit, but no stabilizer. Could be the front tires are way off balance though, but I went through and adjusted all my links till it drove straight and had good caster to keep straight.

NickInTimeFilms hmm 🤔 I wonder....I’ll install mine WITH the stabilizer and see what the results are. I imagine most guys who run this system without it are prolly for trail use only. Idk just an assumption. Either way we’ll see.

NickInTimeFilms hey got another quick but good question, I was looking at “Cavfab” and they have a set up extremely similar to this one but they require a over axle trackbar mount bracket. Your thoughts? I’m torn between that system and this one. They’re roughly the same price but IRO doesn’t require the bracket 🤷‍♂️

Yeah, I did the 1 piece conversion with seal and block off kit. CAD delete video for that fun.

i drilled a hole in the housing and fork and put a bolt in to lock the fork in the engaged position. i need to do a one piece and new seal. but am thinking just get a whole new later housing for it. i had a lock rite in my Comanche and am thinking same for my 88 cherokee too. @@NickInTimeFilms

Axle swap is the better solution, because the new seal is a real pain to install correctly. Then it would be easier to sleeve and truss as well. Just be mindful that the passenger upper control arm mount may be weaker so check the welds.

yep the OE brackets and welds can be lame @@NickInTimeFilms

Nope, so far, so good. Haven't been able to put a ton of miles on 'er yet though since the rear finally blew up. It's a solid kit that was designed well.

I'm thinking of putting this on mine. Is yours still holding up good?

Yep, I still dig it. Joints seem to be lasting still

deathwobble??? where? where?

Wheels are 15" by 8" wide American Racing AR62's. Tires are 35"x12.5" Cooper Discoverer STT Pros

1.75" coil spacer up front. Shackle Relocation bracket in the back give an inch and some change in the rear.

4.5" RE lift with spacers so it sits at 6". Coil spring is 16" at ride height.

Heims still looking good and tight. Been a slow road trying to get everything dialed in right, but I think it's almost there

Pretty standard for aftermarket, 3.75"bs, 8" wide, 15"

Ok I ordered 15x10 backspace 3.82, little worried will it clear the bolt on crossover steering

Well, so far through the years that I've had this kit, I only recently had to replace the pitman arm heim joint because it was popping. That was probably because I've had a power steering fluid leak that's been dripping on it for years and degrading the joint since they are suppose to stay dry. I can't complain, it's a decent kit that's lasted me so far.

What's the price on that kit you remember i want it lol

$360? Idk, check the site. Link should be in the description

I got myn in the mail today I had to have them thanks for your detailed video on the steering bars an Geting back to me so fast

I put them on my jeep an did the lower bars from Rough Country stock up 4links but now my front diff cover it's a Dana 30 under it now my steering pitman arm is scraping the front diff cover like my front end is 2inchs to far forward you ever see that happening befor I didn't get the adjustable four-link bars but it says 4inch fixed bars

Still holding together fine. Heims are still tight and I haven't cleaned them once. Pretty happy with it, but other aspects of the steering and suspension need work to make it truly feel good

@@NickInTimeFilms Good to know thanks. I'm looking at switching my 98 ZJ when my refund check comes in. I'm surprised that several companies look like they dont keep the track bar and drag link in alignment with their 1ton steering.

Yeah, I don't get the blatant disregard for keeping proper factory angles. It's just a big ol mess out there if you don't know what to look for

There instructions say it will fit with 3-8” of lift height so you should be fine.

hows the steering holding up now? any bumpsteer or clunking while driving. want to upgrade my stock steering which does fine for now but want the beef for sure

No noises or issues whatsoever. I'm actually pretty happy with the kit and it's so smooth and responsive I'm questioning if I still need hydro assist anymore. I've got a trackbar on the way so hopefully that fixes the darting on the highway. After that I'll have a definitive thrilled or just very happy with response.

i do have the iron rock trackbar relocation bracket, I'm def leaning towards this setup, as long as its smooth with no clunking from the heims I'm def with it. what track bar do you run currently?

Right now I'm running a Rubicon Express trackbar that i got with the 4.5" kit. It wasn't quite long enough when i went up to 6" and the heim actually ripped out when i was on the trail. Threaded it back in deeper and it's done ok but now the hiem itself is worn to the point of shifting back and forth which isn't good. it has served its purpose but i want something beefier now.

Haha. The deals man, I can't help it! How's that REM scanner working out for you anyway?

I'm still brake-less and therefore without a passed inspection. Since the XJ is parked 20mi away I haven't had the chance to test it. Hopefully sellers will stop sending me parts for 9" drums and start with the 10" ones! Very nice touch the "Hi from America!" BTW :D

Nope. Drop brackets put a lot of extra stress on everything and usually aren't needed, but if you drop one then you have to drop the other so the angles match.

NickInTimeFilms yea that’s what I’m sayin the angles aren’t off with this setup ? Can use everything stock . I need to upgrade my steering but don’t feel like getting a kit where i need to relocate the track bar or get any drop brackets

Right. This kit mounts the drag link under the knuckle to keep factory angles. Completely bolt on and ready to go without any other mods.

NickInTimeFilms perfect what I was lookin for . How’s it holdin up

+Adam swaz still going strong. Joints haven't worn out yet so I'm still happy.

Steering was $295 during black friday sales

Yeah. Finally had to replace the pitman heim a couple months ago because it was popping. Leaking ps fluid probably shortened its life a bit.

@@NickInTimeFilms what wore out exactly? Was it the tapered insert that goes into the Pittman arm? Did that clearance itself out?

No, the actual heim joint that bolts to the pitman arm of the steering box. The joint wore out because power steering fluid was dripping on it and contaminating it.

Hmmmmmmmm, it's funny you say that becuase I found out my old Trackbar has a worn heim and I'm in the market for a beefier replacement. That might just do the trick...

Yeah as soon as I saw your single shear heim setup and as old as it was, I knew some love may need to be shared. Check it out and tell me what you think. www.ironman4x4fab.com/Products/XJ_TBS.html

Mmm, that certainly fits the beefy bill. I like it. That should clean up my slop nicely I think.

PM sent.

I had to replace the pitman arm heim because of a power steering leak, besides that it's held up just fine.

@@NickInTimeFilms nice! You’ve had it for how long?

Since this video was posted

@@NickInTimeFilms okay, cool so 4 years now. Wasn’t sure if you had uploaded video right away or not. I just ordered IRO 3” Long arm kit with their 5/8 OTK kit. Should feel like a new vehicle when I’m done.

I added another turn or 2 of toe to help it track better on the highway but it's been fine otherwise

I've bust that before

Check your track-bar bushings.

Just gotta take it one mod at a time, haha.