That is some darn good 8x57 ammo. That’s the power I reload 8mm to. It’s one of my favorite deer calibers. Nice video.

Thank you for all you for your followers. Your attention to detail is simply awesome, and doesn’t go unrecognized, and is greatly appreciated!

2700 FPS with a 196 grain? No wonder this thing kicks so damn hard. The velocity on the box says 2550 fps. That's nutty. Thanks for chronographing that. That works out to about 4300 joules at the muzzle. PPU is about 2000 fps on a Chrono from what I've seen.

Thought you were Paul Harrell’s grandson out there on the range. Was expecting a “now let’s go crunch the numbers” 😀

Can’t beat PPU for target ammo. Very reliable, affordable and not too hot.

Great information on a modern ammo. Not what I would have guessed. Thank you.

First time I shot this round I was surprised how snappy the rifle felt. The shooting felt more satisfactory compared to the PPUs.

This is THE ammo in my opinion for a 98k or Yugo Mauser (or similar Mauser that able to shoot this hot of a load). It’s been much more accurate for me out of my 98k’s but it does kick a bit (just simple physics, big round moving faster=more kick)

I bedded my sporter, then test fired it with the S&B. I didn't fit it well, and about 10 rounds in, IT CRACKED my new stock. Yeah, they are hot rounds.

I find myself wishing that I still had my BRNO produced "Persian" Mauser to test this ammo in for muzzle velocity.

Here’s yet another good example of how the European’s have keep this round up to its true level. RWS is another firm that loads the 8x57JS to higher pressure and velocity’s than their American counterparts. Thank you for all your very informative productions .

This is my go-to round for whitetail deer. I have never had them run very far after getting hit by that SPCE bullet. I was able to get my hands on many many boxes back in the day. I use just three or four rounds a season, a few for sighting in & one more to get my deer. Normally I can get around one-inch groups at 100 yards, using a Leupold scope. I have a Husqvarna 640 rifle with a Hoque stock (as the original was cracked). I bought the rifle from Simpson LTD out of Galesburg IL, they still sell quite a few of these in 8mm if you are looking for a sporting Mauser that is set up for scope mounting.

The S&B 196 gr soft point cutting edge SPCE would be a good hunting round out to 200 yds. After that it tends to start dropping pretty drastically. It's not the most aerodynamic round. Would be pretty lethal on medium size game at close to moderate range.

My father gave me his M24 Yugoslavian Mauser. It's been awhile since i did any kind of target practice. First time I shot the Mauser, I used B&S 196 gr. FMJ and it definitely had a snap to it. It was hitting the steel silhouette target from 110 yards like a 🔨. Bought 3 boxes of the B&S SPCE and can't wait to try them next!

S&B offers 8mm in both J bore .318" and JS bore .323". The JS bore comes in both SAAMI 35,000psi & CIP 56,560psi. The CIP ammo is pretty hot 🔥 Someone in the 90s imported tons of all their 8mm ammo. 8mm J, JS, JR & JRS. The R are rimmed 8mm cases for drillings. For some reason, they had a hard time selling everything but the JS ammo.

Hello 8mm Mauser Man. Obviously I took your kind advice and came here to your channel. Thank you for yet another thorough review. I have a bit of this S&B 196 gr SPCE in my possession along with the more standard 196 gr fmj from S&B. If memory serves correctly the fmj is a boat tail bullet and offers slightly better ballistics than the SPCE round. That said however that soft point round would certainly prove to be a very good hunting load out between 200 - 300 yards and I would be confident using that on medium to large North American game at those distances. Your point regarding use of this ammo in a Gewher 88 is well taken. My research also shows that the 88 also had a .318 bore diameter as opposed to the 98's .323 and this of course caused some unfortunate and catastrophic receiver and bolt failures. I'm told that many commercial producers of 8mm JS decreased the pressure loading of their cartridges as a means of reducing bad events from chambering a .323 diameter round in a .318 bore. Again my thanks for your good and informative review. All the best to you. Be safe.

I like the flatter tip profile for performance on game!!!

I just ordered 3 boxes of the 196 gr cutting edge for my 98 Mauser. It has been drilled and tapped for my scope. I used the Remington 170 gr core lock soft point until unable to get anymore. I hope these do well!

Just bought 200 rounds from SGAMMO. I will shot that and keep all the 80s yugo stuff for a rainy day. Thank you for your help

Soft point cutting edge.

I wanna say wow! This ammo is snappy wonder what there loading sources are. Alot of the old manuals have way higher velocities but seems like each new edition of manuals they release the powder charges just keep going lower and lower mainly for safety and lawsuit reasons imo which is why load data is so conservative now. One thing I want to mention as a handloader who had used S&B brass is that this brass is haaaaaaaard really hard brass, the amount of force to resize S&B brass is significant another thing I wanna mention is that S&B cases primer pockets are also smaller than other manufacturers as a result primers such as winchester large rifle will sit proud enough to the point there is notable risk in a out of battery detonation when chambering. The solution is rather simple tho and you just have use a primer pocket crimp remover to remove enough material so other primer manufactures can fit correctly. Highly recommend annealing S&B brass if you (anyone really) have the setup for annealing.

Those bullets are called the cutting edge hunting bullets, upon striking the game it will cut a round hole like a wad cutter instead of tearing a ragged hole that some times will close up. those are for hunting.

ive never had a dud s&b round in any caliber seems to be great middle of the road ammo for range even hunting but ive also never had 8 mauser so you would know better great video

This ammunition is my go to for hunting. Was able to pick up 2 boxes for $40 a few years back and shot a few rounds of it, and saved the rest for elk season. Very good stuff, and great video man! Also, when you say a G98, would you include Turkish K-Kale Mauser 98s? I have a 1942 K Kale that has done fine with it the few rounds I shot out of it.

I know this is a bit of a strange question, but in case you have any more of this stuff on hand, could you get an overall length measurement? I have an Egyptian Hakim with 2 magazines, and one of them has a slightly shorter allowance for cartridge overall length. It only ever causes issues on the last round in the magazine.

I’ll add another data point for you. I purchased a box of this while looking for a hunting load for my Zastava M-76. I prefer having a dual purpose rifle in that I can hunt and target shoot with. The problem is I had a lot of feeding issues with this cartridge due to my feed ramp design. This is a very common problem with SP cartridges with this design in my experience. I am also thinking there may have been some overpressure issues due to the bullet being pushed into the case during the loading cycle for those that did feed into the chamber. Just need to get a No-Go and Field Gauge to confirm that nothing occurred to the rifles headspace during my testing. I am planning to see how well it feeds in my Milsurp Bolt guns. This may end up being my hunting load of choice for those rifles.

Nice informative video. Would really like to see how S&B Sierra GK 220 grains do against these. Probably hits like a truck at 100m

*impressive numbers . No wonder that bullet fragments on impact...at close up distances.*

If you can find, please try Portugese surplus

The JS is the designation for WWII K98 ammo other 8x57J is loaded for older WWI type (not as powerful).

With your velocities posted while shooting, using lettering in any other color than white would be preferable, being I like to do the math while the shooter shoots. If possible I'd also like to see accuracy on paper compiled into these reviews. But other than that I really appreciate your videos, I just bought some s&b js that you reviewed here and I'm glad to know more about what to expect when I do fire it.

Damn son!!! Those were cookin out of your gun!!! At those velocities you got a good elk gun, if its accurate!!!

I have 7 rounds of this stuff left. Nobody in Canada has any 8mm in stock so I guess I better hold on to it. Pray for us up here 😭

This reminds me with V munition

I have 2 boxes of this and I'm a hunter so I'm very curious about the kind of damage it'll do on a deer or a coyote.

Do a ballistics gel test with this ammo

Roughly how much of a difference in velocity would you expect with a Gewehr 98-length barrel?

Is the S&B ammo what I need for my ZBROJOVKA BRNG AS VZ 24 8mm?

Quick question what is the value increase looking for the next 5 to 10 years on a yugo m48a in excellent condition. Worth holding on to ??

Have you tried the norma 8x57is yet?

Have you checked out any Ethiopian and Browning 1919 8mm?

That lip in the bullet acts like a mechanical lock between the core and jacket""

Is this ammo good to go in a Yugo M48A?

I was able to get 3 boxes of GECO 8X57 IS EXPRESS 11,7G

This is real ammo, I used this also, but you must allways find European ammo if you want to see real power of this caliber. PPU is also not bad, but American version of PPU is a lot of weaker than it is in Europe, real reason for that are really old rifles in the US. I used Yugoslavian M48 rifle and it was amazing, just find the ammo with 8x57IS stamped on the box like this Sellier Bellot, you can find a PPU the same ammo and you will see the difference, but if you want to shoot a PPU, you must find 8x57IS, not 8mm Mauser because it is a lot of weaker. 8mm Mauser is for US market and 8x57IS or JS is from Europe for our European market and our hunters..

Is that a mosin nagant sling

Those are red-hot numbers for a heavy ball. I mean 2683 ft/sec or 818 mts/sec? That’s screaming! Only a few notches below the Romanian ammo.

Sellier and bellot advertises 2592fps.

I load 200 grain smks to 2600+fps

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Pull bullets first run thru seating die to reset about 4 to 6 thousandths of an inch. Will loosen bullet for you