9 things that led to Alain Prost being fired by Ferrari

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4 жыл бұрын

Imagine Ferrari getting rid of a multiple world champion after designing a car that wasn't as good as its predecessor... no, we're not talking about Sebastian Vettel in 2020, but Alain Prost, who was fired before the end of a disappointing 1991 season. Prost's sacking is often attributed to him calling his car a "truck" at the Japanese Grand Prix, but as this video explains, that was the final straw in a relationship that was strained for more than a year, dating back to when Nigel Mansell was still on the other side of the garage.
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@Aldas001
@Aldas001 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty much 90% of what Prost said and what he went through, can literally be seen in Ferrari today. Prost wanted to make Ferrari run more like McLaren which was an amazing organisation under Ron Dennis, and Ferrari need a leader like that now who will tell it like it is and perhaps could emulate the way Mercedes run their team. In the end Prost was laughing when he went to Williams and won his 4th title
@3ormorecharactersmaybe5
@3ormorecharactersmaybe5 4 жыл бұрын
Well, that just proves how much Ferrari never really changed..
@swapnilnayak2449
@swapnilnayak2449 4 жыл бұрын
Thats exactly what Vettel tried to do, he tried to get them running like Red Bull!
@yashkatare3303
@yashkatare3303 4 жыл бұрын
Binotto is probably gonna get the axe.
@kingcarrot6355
@kingcarrot6355 4 жыл бұрын
@@yashkatare3303 His name is Waldo ;)
@tobznoobs
@tobznoobs 4 жыл бұрын
@Aldas make another video of it pointing to Niki's time and the Brawn/Schumi/Todt era, clearly they need to be run by other nationalities, to much Italian pride and politics, this is not Rome!
@RandomGuy-dw7hf
@RandomGuy-dw7hf 4 жыл бұрын
“Stand outside Ferrari and you’ll wonder how they don’t win everything. Stand inside Ferrari and you’ll wonder how they win anything.”
@bassmunk
@bassmunk 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Who said that?
@integral32gb
@integral32gb 4 жыл бұрын
@@bassmunk Any foreigner who ever worked there!
@shotsfiredandmissed9068
@shotsfiredandmissed9068 3 жыл бұрын
pretty much very Italian. you could even wonder why they're a "team" at all
@marcom5695
@marcom5695 3 жыл бұрын
@@shotsfiredandmissed9068 yep.. very Italian.. most winning team in F1 EVER!!
@gentnextdoor
@gentnextdoor 3 жыл бұрын
Still the most successful team by a long way.
@aslamnurfikri7640
@aslamnurfikri7640 4 жыл бұрын
Now Ferrari is a clown and Sainz is heading into a hellhole
@titan_fx
@titan_fx 4 жыл бұрын
Is Sainz's career over?
@kyanphan5839
@kyanphan5839 4 жыл бұрын
@@titan_fx i hope not, if i were ferrari, i'd say fuck 2021 and focus completely on 2022 and if they ace the regulations... well, maybe we will see a schumacher run for the drivers
@warpbeast69
@warpbeast69 4 жыл бұрын
@@kyanphan5839 This is already what it looks like happenned where they said fuck 2020 and ready 2021 but then coronavirus happenned and woops, our car sucks or two years.
@justinress2782
@justinress2782 4 жыл бұрын
Aslamnur Fikri Its Alesi all over again
@aahilabbas4014
@aahilabbas4014 4 жыл бұрын
Titan FX pls don’t say that
@jameshamilton4327
@jameshamilton4327 4 жыл бұрын
Ferrari in trouble, so their only answer was to fire the only person in the team that remembered winning. Sound familiar?
@ZeZeBatata69
@ZeZeBatata69 4 жыл бұрын
Vettel is no Prost, it's a known fact he never had the mental grit to endure a bad situation and turn it into a success. Even when he was at RedBull, the moment something went wrong he would start to bitch and go into a shitstorm spiral. He's a great driver when he has the best car and everything goes according to plan, if that doesn't happen he'll crash into someone or some other drama.
@smokeybandit9760
@smokeybandit9760 4 жыл бұрын
@@ZeZeBatata69 What about Brazil 2012? He had irreparable damage to his car in tricky conditions but still managed to drive his car to the championship. I don't disagree with saying that he sometimes is torn between his heart and his head but sometimes will just get on with the situation.
@aryarajmane6393
@aryarajmane6393 4 жыл бұрын
@@ZeZeBatata69 yeah but that's usually the case with young drivers when they are in the start of their career, even Max was bitchy at the start but now look at him. Vettel struggles cause the car doesn't suit his driving style
@netsoroneandonly9326
@netsoroneandonly9326 4 жыл бұрын
@@ZeZeBatata69 Anyone who is confident tends to come out as bitchy at some point. That's because of a tendency to believe that things should be perfect which isn't always the case. So if there's a possibility of winning, anything less than that is just unsatisfactory.
@mostwanted2kay
@mostwanted2kay 4 жыл бұрын
@@ZeZeBatata69 You confused Lewis or Alonso with Seb
@theempires5
@theempires5 4 жыл бұрын
All things aside, that 643 is looking absolutely stunning
@gorkab8461
@gorkab8461 4 жыл бұрын
It was a beauty!
@Leopardo_Bianco
@Leopardo_Bianco 4 жыл бұрын
One of the most beautiful to never win a race sadly.
@gorkab8461
@gorkab8461 4 жыл бұрын
@@Leopardo_Bianco That's a good idea for a video, maybe it's been done already?
@gorkab8461
@gorkab8461 4 жыл бұрын
I make my case that the 642 from early 1991,which was a modified 641,was already gorgeous
@lionelferrari1655
@lionelferrari1655 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. It was a fast car too, but only on smooth track.
@enzoma7253
@enzoma7253 4 жыл бұрын
Seems like Ferrari is permanently in crisis management mode even to this day.
@geonerd
@geonerd 4 жыл бұрын
Crisis MISmanagement. ;)
@Lukewci
@Lukewci 4 жыл бұрын
It is easier to count when Ferrari wasn't in crisis than to count when it was.
@henkdekraai5290
@henkdekraai5290 4 жыл бұрын
The crisis only took a short break between 200 and 2008.
@shotsfiredandmissed9068
@shotsfiredandmissed9068 3 жыл бұрын
I mean that mode is everyday in Fiat Chrysler, you should also see their reliability records so far
@SolidSonicTH
@SolidSonicTH 2 ай бұрын
Enzo Ferrari's culture, probably. He was a very persnickety person when it came to how the team was run. Didn't really have an open mind or flexibility in a management sense and I guess that mentality got inherited by his successors.
@IGVGameplayreviews
@IGVGameplayreviews 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like typical Ferrari
@caincha
@caincha 4 жыл бұрын
Sooo… nothing has changed has it…? I mean I tell everybody that Schumacher's brilliance wasn't just on track but in how he managed to 'transform' Ferrari into a winning team bringing key people with him from Bennetton but people only like to se the numbers instead…
@costingxg
@costingxg 4 жыл бұрын
Very well said! I completely agree with every word! And I also think that Ferrari must look outside of their 'italian world' for their right leaders. Last time, it worked with a French manager, a British and a South African technical designers and a German driver :)
@philrod1
@philrod1 4 жыл бұрын
@@costingxg I think it was Coulthard at the Austrian/Styrian GP that Ferrari should move to the UK ... can you imagine!?
@thelarry383
@thelarry383 4 жыл бұрын
Ross Brawn was the main driving force behind the transformation.
@settler8616
@settler8616 4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget Todt and Brawn
@robhorsey9906
@robhorsey9906 4 жыл бұрын
It always seemed to me that one of Schumacher's strengths compared to some of his Ferrari predecessors was that he never trashed the team or car. In 1996 he was resigned that the car (which as I understand it was mostly done before he came to the team) was not championship caliber. But he was always positive and encouraging about moving the team forward. Of course Brawn coming on board was huge, but MS was the one who initiated that. And thinking about human nature, when the face of the team acts like that, everyone else in the team at all levels will want to push as hard as possible too. Combine that with his driving talent in races and developing the car, and you have the dominance we eventually saw.
@commentingpausedtoprotectus
@commentingpausedtoprotectus 4 жыл бұрын
Had the pleasure of meeting Alain Prost at Silvertstone in 1993. He was surprisingly down to earth, and VERY funny.
@jarekaugustyn4598
@jarekaugustyn4598 2 жыл бұрын
you mean he was "little Frenchman" ? ;) just like Murray Walker used to say....?
@sohammhatre
@sohammhatre 4 жыл бұрын
Went to Williams and won another title in Ferrari's face
@the9der352
@the9der352 4 жыл бұрын
FiLOL LOL
@darkosimic499
@darkosimic499 4 жыл бұрын
@FiLOL With a little help from Ferrari International Assistance.
@adithyamahesh6961
@adithyamahesh6961 4 жыл бұрын
@FiLOL broke Prost's records by following Prost's philosophy. Atleast Michael had Todt and Brawn with him to overthrow the toxic management. Prost was alone...
@chrispalmer3096
@chrispalmer3096 4 жыл бұрын
@FiLOL a Ferrari team led by a group of non Italians.
@JeffSyam
@JeffSyam 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, both with Mansell in separate year.
@briantinker9636
@briantinker9636 4 жыл бұрын
I recall a classic Gerhard Berger quote after Prost had been sacked which for me summed up the Ferrari logic. He said that Prost was the only person who could save Ferrari and they were currently paying him millions NOT to work for them.......
@ajmalhussain3574
@ajmalhussain3574 4 жыл бұрын
Well they also actually started to politick to get Kimi out of the team after he won the world championship in 2007, the very next year they were orchestrating ways to get him out of his contract due to the "Santander" sponsorship and to make way for Alonso but to do that they needed a reason so they changed his suspension mid season in 2008 without telling him and changed the balance of the car, naturally with a weak front end Kimi struggled to make the car work as he usually does so then they (Ferrari) started putting leaks out about Kimi's motivation being the reason truth is they couldn't kick Kimi out if he won the WDC in 2008 for them. This was during and after the Spanish GP in 2008 when he was leading the championship that year. They even paid him a ton of money not to race for them in 2010. Think it was €20 million euros.
@JoaoSilva22222
@JoaoSilva22222 3 жыл бұрын
@@ajmalhussain3574 true
@Juandinggong
@Juandinggong 3 жыл бұрын
Ajmal Hussain Ferrari seems to be run by idiots.
@livingbeing1113
@livingbeing1113 3 жыл бұрын
@@Juandinggong Can't agree more. That whole fiasco with Kimi starting in 2008 was ridiculous. You have a fresh champion, on form, and what do you do? You try to sabotage him and push Massa. All for political's reasons and a future with Alonso. I respect Alonso's abilities, not so much the rest. And while he was very unlucky in 2010, it has been karma for Ferrari that Kimi is their last world champion and that they never won again. 2008 would've been in the bag too if they allowed Kimi to do his job. 2009 against the Brawn GP would've been more difficult of course, but in 2010 with Kimi they could've won again. Ferrari threw 1 or 2 other titles in the trash treating Raikkonen like they did.
@ChuckN516
@ChuckN516 3 жыл бұрын
@@ajmalhussain3574 Ferrari saw why Kimi won WDC in 2007. It is not because of Kimi's driving talent but because of internal fighting between two McLaren drivers that made them lost WDCs to Ferrari. And Kimi was behind Filipe Massa in 2008. That is why they didn't feel the need to keep Kimi.
@IcebergSpikes
@IcebergSpikes 4 жыл бұрын
Does anyone think any of this has changed? Except that Vettel is too polite to say anything...
@navasheen8964
@navasheen8964 4 жыл бұрын
He might speak up when he leaves ferrari for good
@chrispalmer3096
@chrispalmer3096 4 жыл бұрын
He never criticise his team...atleast not in public.
@navasheen8964
@navasheen8964 4 жыл бұрын
@@chrispalmer3096 who knows at this point only kimi and vettel can tell what is happening in there
@CP-kb1du
@CP-kb1du 4 жыл бұрын
Vettel is Too Rich to say anything 5 years winning nothing
@JeffSyam
@JeffSyam 4 жыл бұрын
It is their "default setting". Only Lauda & Schumacher managed to change the culture. Sadly after they have gone, obviously the culture back to default. As Ecclestone said in an interview, the only person that probably can change the culture is Flavio Briatore with his dictatorial attitude, in which I can't agree more, he's an Italian and he's a dictator and he's a quick learner (he was introduced to F1 in 1990 by Benetton company boss, took over in 1991 and won World title in 1994!)
@TheDiasporaMedia
@TheDiasporaMedia 4 жыл бұрын
"The problem with Ferrari sometimes is there's too much Ferrari in Ferrari" ~ Flavio Briatore
@JakePetrolhead
@JakePetrolhead 4 жыл бұрын
I mean, the biggest reasons for Ferrari's downfall in at any given point is that it's a more of a political organisation than a racing team. Ferrari's own worst enemy is pretty much always Ferrari.
@diponahmed37
@diponahmed37 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with you on that.
@mich722
@mich722 4 жыл бұрын
Cliche of peace!
@shotsfiredandmissed9068
@shotsfiredandmissed9068 3 жыл бұрын
yeah its not even a family anymore, where other teams treat themselves like family
@ad1t553
@ad1t553 3 жыл бұрын
No wonder, it all to Clear
@MastaMS21
@MastaMS21 3 жыл бұрын
Additional note : -When Montezemolo came back as president of Ferrari, one of his first decision was to...bring Prost back to Ferrari. Just a couple of weeks after they sacked him... Prost declined, obviously. - Prost said he compared the steering of his Ferrari to a truck, not the Ferrari itself but the italian press made a bigger story about it (as always). But when Prost went to court against Ferrari for unfair dismissal, they apparently lost the video of the interview...
@engared
@engared 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, reminds me of this year... Like getting rid of Arrivabene for Binotto when Arrivabene had lead them to probably the best 2 seasons Ferrari have had in a decade. What a joke. Edit: Saying this as a life long Ferrari fan. And they are going to waste the careers of probably one of the greatest talents in a long time in Leclerc and a solid reliable driver in Sainz. Criminal.
@aslamnurfikri7640
@aslamnurfikri7640 4 жыл бұрын
Binotto is a great engineer but a crap principal. He designed the 2017 and 2018 car. When he became the principal 2019 car becomes crap, and the next year's is even crappier
@d.a.5135
@d.a.5135 4 жыл бұрын
Marchionne deserves far more credit than Arrivabene tbh. People forget that Arrivabene himself didn't manage the team well after Marchionnes death.
@engared
@engared 4 жыл бұрын
@@d.a.5135 Possibly but Arrivabene's soothing and calm yet strong personality probably suited the Chaos of the Ferrari world better than the nice guy Binotto. The worst part of Ferrari honestly has been navigating the FIA imo which Toto Wolff seems to be a master of. Like with the DAS debacle. Christian Horner is raising hellfire with the FIA over it but imagine if Ferrari were right there with them? Instead, Binotto is MIA and the FIA passes it. They need another Jean Todt and Ross Brawn. Brawn always used to find clever loopholes and exploited them; and in turn, him or Todt won the fight with the FIA after. With the Ferrari engine debacle of last year; they probably found a loophole which was "legal" but not in spirit...and Binotto lost the war with the FIA. That's why we have a low drag concept cat with no straight line performance. LOL!
@nicolaclapiz
@nicolaclapiz 4 жыл бұрын
Binotto didn't want Arrivabene as team principal, he said something like: - or Arrivabene or me. So he became team principal and he didn't have enough time to design the car, and team principal shouldn't be his work.
@HoangNguyen-ym9ce
@HoangNguyen-ym9ce 3 жыл бұрын
I have read that he threatened to switch to Mercedes if he could not become the team principal of Ferrari.
@gorkab8461
@gorkab8461 4 жыл бұрын
Just by seeing what happened to Ferrari the following year, 1992, it is obvious who was right and who was very wrong. Ferrari in '88-'92 was rife with political struggles within the Fiat group to fill the power vacuum left by Enzo Ferrari in the F1 team. Ferrari was not worthy of Prost and Barnard, as simple as that. The main "if only" is what would have happened had the 643 been ready for the start of '91. Probably a few race wins and a less poisonous atmosphere, similar to 1990.
@ruioliveira3025
@ruioliveira3025 4 жыл бұрын
Carlos Sainz be like: WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN!
@nishitsingh1153
@nishitsingh1153 4 жыл бұрын
Drivers age at twice the rate when they're with Ferrari.
@DC322
@DC322 4 жыл бұрын
Prost took a year off and came back to win the F1 title with Williams in 1993. Retired on top.
@paulallen8109
@paulallen8109 4 жыл бұрын
Ron Dennis actually offered him a drive at McLaren for 1994 and tried to convince him to reconsider his retirement. Prost wisely declined but this proves that Prost was still in demand by the top teams. In 1996 Prost tested the new McLaren for an eventual comeback but the car wasn't very balanced so he realized it was pointless.
@MrTommySullivan
@MrTommySullivan 4 жыл бұрын
My grandmother could've won the championship in the FW-15c.
@andrearojas1248
@andrearojas1248 4 жыл бұрын
@@paulallen8109 Prost tested every McLaren 1994, 1995 and 1996.
@DC322
@DC322 4 жыл бұрын
@@MrTommySullivan Williams wanted Senna for the 1993 season but Prost say no. Senna joined Williams the next year.
@adamsteele6148
@adamsteele6148 3 жыл бұрын
Yea with a juked up car lol. Prost was a coward.
@patthewoodboy
@patthewoodboy 4 жыл бұрын
theres an old saying in the UK ... Italian tanks have 1 forward gear and 10 reverse gears
@patrese993
@patrese993 4 жыл бұрын
Heard that about another country, but the flag is very similar...
@joshrandall5297
@joshrandall5297 3 жыл бұрын
10,000 Italian WWII rifles for sale. Never fired. Only dropped once.
@jordanchang133
@jordanchang133 4 жыл бұрын
Let’s hope history repeats itself and Sebastian wins his 5th title with Aston Martin.
@ad1t553
@ad1t553 3 жыл бұрын
Ohh I will love to see Ferrari see that happen.
@reltihfloda7419
@reltihfloda7419 3 жыл бұрын
Wont happent this year maybe 2022
@CS-yc6qp
@CS-yc6qp 3 жыл бұрын
That’s a lot to hope for, I Hope he can finish the season
@tuffmanchannel
@tuffmanchannel Жыл бұрын
...man.
@Azpep
@Azpep 4 жыл бұрын
The main problem with Ferrari is that it's run emotionally rather than rationally.
@GTDpowah
@GTDpowah 4 жыл бұрын
That's kind of the Italian way.
@shotsfiredandmissed9068
@shotsfiredandmissed9068 3 жыл бұрын
like an ex-wife right?
@theant9821
@theant9821 3 жыл бұрын
@@GTDpowah that depends, the Yamaha grand prix team is based in Italy and has been extremely successful using rational logic from the Japanese big wigs. Ducati has 2 titles to its name over the last 14 seasons using relatively rational management with only minor exceptions. Its a Ferrari thing more than an Italian thing. Enzo Ferrari was a dickhead anyway, and his team mirrored that.
@user-bm9cv9vn2k
@user-bm9cv9vn2k 3 жыл бұрын
yeah and rather playing with emotions of drivers
@kiranbabu3426
@kiranbabu3426 4 жыл бұрын
Which of these is more probable? Statistically the greatest driver at the time, being wrong. Or An incompetent car
@barath4545
@barath4545 3 жыл бұрын
Prost was right. He literally went from Ferrari to Williams and put the smackdaddy on the 1993 season and won the WDC again to rub it in Ferraris face.
@cornevangulik6166
@cornevangulik6166 4 жыл бұрын
In the loooong history of Ferrari only 5 names became world champion after they drove for the Scuderia. (Fangio, Andretti, Lauda, Prost and Mansell) Chances are if you drive for Ferrari and you dont win the WDC, you’re done.
@jackhands31
@jackhands31 4 жыл бұрын
Schumi?
@SultanOfAwesome
@SultanOfAwesome 4 жыл бұрын
@@jackhands31 read the comment again bro. They got another title after driving for Ferrari.
@jackhands31
@jackhands31 4 жыл бұрын
Ah i see
@JeffSyam
@JeffSyam 4 жыл бұрын
And there are ONLY seven drivers who won their 1st WDC with SF, Ascari, Hawthorn, Phil Hill, Surtees, Lauda, Scheckter & Raikkonen. And if call modern-era started in 1970, then it's ony three.
@KyleP133
@KyleP133 4 жыл бұрын
From the dawn of the 3 liter era in 66, Ferrari was behind due to trying to beat Ford at Le Mans... When they finally gave up on sports car racing, they focused on F1 again, but didnt get their act together until the mid 70s. Ferrari struck gold with the 312t design and won 3 driver's championships with the 312t and the flat-12. The turbo era and ground effect era killed off that era of success. Then they didnt win anything at all until the Schumacher era... and the vestigial remnants of that regime delivered Kimi a title in 07.... Another drought ever since. Sure they've had close calls... but when you really sit back and look, they had two periods (75-80 and 97-07) where they were actually winning driver's championships. It's kind of depressing when you consider that.
@maurocandiago4869
@maurocandiago4869 3 жыл бұрын
As an Italian who left the country 8 years ago, i can say that Ferrari resembles the static mentality of Italy and its people: "I'm always right", "it's not my fault", "bad luck is the reason of my failures. I never make mistakes", "I want to get the most, giving 0 effort".
@a_yan6581
@a_yan6581 4 жыл бұрын
Prost : " The cars handles like a truck " Guys on the suits at Ferrari : " So you have chosen DEATH "
@Farsightful
@Farsightful 2 жыл бұрын
Funnily enough, it s his job to say that. he s the pilot.
@amjan
@amjan 3 жыл бұрын
This made me appreciate and respect Prost even more! The "Crisis of optimism" was a brilliant statement by him. Incredibly relevant for many things in life.
@Lucas-xj3fh
@Lucas-xj3fh Жыл бұрын
I love how Prost said every problem of Ferrari and they just did nothing and fired him. And now just look at Ferrari today .... probably 90% of what he said is still here. I'm glad that Todt was able to apply what Prost said, but he is not here anymore
@treatb09
@treatb09 3 жыл бұрын
alain was a technology tester. he was the only driver qualified to test the top tech that they were developing. he bounced around teams, just at the right time to drive the cars that were most experimental, and paved the future of f1, all except the william's active suspension.
@whassupg89
@whassupg89 4 жыл бұрын
Wow that relationship really was doomed. I didn’t realise what a mess it was before he called it a truck!
@CP-kb1du
@CP-kb1du 4 жыл бұрын
Schumi called the 1996 Ferrari a car with a Parachute ... wake up Lauda Said the Ferrari was Trash
@wan7ucxOqSUBryTgfpBr7777
@wan7ucxOqSUBryTgfpBr7777 4 жыл бұрын
bcause at that time there wasnt a GP2 yet 😎
@sgtepicspeed3033
@sgtepicspeed3033 4 жыл бұрын
@@wan7ucxOqSUBryTgfpBr7777 Formula 3000 is the predecessor to GP2, so technically there was
@RezaMaulanaRezaMaulana98
@RezaMaulanaRezaMaulana98 4 жыл бұрын
​@@CP-kb1du Ferrari engineer: "It's a Ferrari!", Lauda: "It's a shitbox!"
@georglorenz1036
@georglorenz1036 4 жыл бұрын
No matter how slow it was, but the look of that 643 is just 🤤
@titan_fx
@titan_fx 4 жыл бұрын
Prost foreshadowing 2020
@LimitPro1
@LimitPro1 4 жыл бұрын
He was right in the end
@p_adam19
@p_adam19 4 жыл бұрын
Next topic: Did Vettel get a lucky escape in 2020?
@SamuelSantos_
@SamuelSantos_ 4 жыл бұрын
Probably. And Ricciardo dodged a bullet by missing out on a Ferrari seat.
@LimitPro1
@LimitPro1 4 жыл бұрын
@@SamuelSantos_ both are lucky
@hugonubario
@hugonubario 3 жыл бұрын
when you get kicked out and you're happy...
@christoforospaphitis4090
@christoforospaphitis4090 4 жыл бұрын
I consider Prost to be the most complete driver of all time and not listening to him when he has so many complaints means that you are doomed to fail. Jean Todt, Ross Brawn and Michael Schumacher restructured Ferrari to such an extend that one cannot consider it as a traditional Ferrari team and that brought huge success. When these three left the team started slowly but surely sliding back to their old ways. Today we see the epitome of the results of Ferrari mismanagement
@JR_harlow
@JR_harlow 3 жыл бұрын
I still think he is underrated and shown as a villain by a lot of sources
@gustavomachado3488
@gustavomachado3488 4 жыл бұрын
If Prost had his way since 1990, Ferrari would've won that championship and have a car to fight for another in 91.
@km6832
@km6832 4 жыл бұрын
I really do not see why drivers would ever want to drive for ferrari. The team is ran on so much politics it is insane. No driver has ever been happy there
@fenhen
@fenhen 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure Schumacher was happy there.
@km6832
@km6832 3 жыл бұрын
@@fenhen because schumacher rose them from dirt and was the number 1 driver
@fenhen
@fenhen 3 жыл бұрын
K M Alonso was their number 1 driver. You could argue Vettel was too during the Raikkonen years. I think it was more about Jean Todt and the leadership at the time.
@sebastianovanzetta512
@sebastianovanzetta512 3 жыл бұрын
It’s because it’s different from every other team, and it’s not me saying it, it’s the drivers themselves. If even Niki Lauda said “My head is with Mercedes (at that time he was Non-Executive President of Mercedes F1) but my heart is still with Ferrari. Every time they win, my heart beats fast” then it means something. (Lauda has even been buried with his Ferrari suit from 1975, as he wished). Then you have Jean Alesi, a man whose eyes still shine when he speaks of Ferrari, even if he had more bad moments than good moments. Even Vettel said that once you drive for Ferrari you become a fan for the rest of your life.
@sebastianovanzetta512
@sebastianovanzetta512 3 жыл бұрын
@@MPal24 Why would he do this? Well, Schumacher did it, and became a legend not only for his 91 wins, but because he brought back a championship to Ferrari. Even Ayrton Senna once said that he would have driven for Ferrari. He was with McLaren, the best toghether with Williams at that time, so why would he have done that? Ask yourself
@WeAreTheRace
@WeAreTheRace 4 жыл бұрын
Hi everyone, thanks for watching. If you'd like to hear more about Prost being fired by Ferrari, check out our Bring Back V10s classic F1 podcast! Prost fired part 1: www.spreaker.com/episode/23986632 | Prost fired part 2: www.spreaker.com/episode/24092488
@loiteringrambler2928
@loiteringrambler2928 4 жыл бұрын
so basically in the early 90‘s the same things were wrong like today
@hectornecromancer5308
@hectornecromancer5308 4 жыл бұрын
Some things never change And obviously Vettel didn't learn from his predecessor when he signed the contract
@anthony.esper21
@anthony.esper21 4 жыл бұрын
Yep. Everyone have a plan when they go to Ferrari, but Ferrari ruins it everytime, I mean at least they didn't for Michael.
@sohammhatre
@sohammhatre 4 жыл бұрын
@@anthony.esper21 , pray for Sainz
@Claggyt
@Claggyt 4 жыл бұрын
To continue the comparison to more modern F1 - when Prost joined Mansell at Ferrari for 1990 it was similar to when Alonso joined Massa in 2010. Prost, like Alonso, was a multiple World Champion and the superior driver at most races. What Mansell did to Prost in Portugal in 1990 (swerving across Prost at the start and ruining Prost's race even though Prost was in a title fight) would have been the equivalent of Massa getting the "Fernando is faster than you" message in Germany 2010 and, instead of letting Alonso by, drove him off the circuit instead. With proper team support Prost would have won the title for Ferrari in 1990 but Mansell's ego was too fragile.
@toniportus
@toniportus 4 жыл бұрын
Prost was great in 1990 to be able to fight for the title with a car that, even if improved during the season, was still inferior to McLaren in most of the tracks. Should he have won at Estoril probably the momentum would have led to the championship. I remember italian media criticizing Prost also in that season, Mansell being very much more beloved by the press and the car supposed to be the best...
@georglorenz1036
@georglorenz1036 4 жыл бұрын
That Mansell... I hate the 1990 Portuguese GP footage. How can one be so dumb? That could have been the Championship.
@MartinGonzalez-uq3zw
@MartinGonzalez-uq3zw 4 жыл бұрын
T Ryan. Yes. Totally right
@paulmcnamara4774
@paulmcnamara4774 2 жыл бұрын
Mansell couldn't stand Prost don't blame him he made sure Nigel was given the crap car and he had the best one. I don't blame Nigel not wanting to help that creep out.
@timyduncan7502
@timyduncan7502 Ай бұрын
And no one in the paddock could stand stand Nigel so....
@JiwhanKimMusic
@JiwhanKimMusic 4 жыл бұрын
FERRARI RUINED DRIVERS: Alain Prost Phil Hill John Surtees Felipe Massa Jean Alesi Rubens Barrichelo Fernando Alonso Kimi Raikonmen Sebastian Vettel RIP LEGENDS😭
@the9der352
@the9der352 4 жыл бұрын
How ironic Raikkonen earned the team their latest WDC...
@supermax7208
@supermax7208 4 жыл бұрын
You forgot Jean Alesi
@d.a.5135
@d.a.5135 4 жыл бұрын
Not really. Ferrari kept Raikkonen and Massa for a long time even though both drivers were underperforming plus Kimi won his only title there and Massa had his best chance to win a title there as well. Alonso and Vettel is also debatable - both had two shots to win the title and only could have got a better seat if they had gone to Red Bull (in Alonsos case) or Mercedes (in Vettels case).
@maxomax.666
@maxomax.666 4 жыл бұрын
Nigel Mansell Rubens Barrichello
@elta6241
@elta6241 4 жыл бұрын
At least Kimi won a championship, but once Jean Todt had left it was crystal clear he was yesterday’s man.
@cyclonicleo
@cyclonicleo 4 жыл бұрын
Ferrari and politics - they go together and yet it is the one thing that consistently sets Ferrari back.
@jcmarin3223
@jcmarin3223 4 жыл бұрын
"Team without directive and without strategy..." It sounds like the Ferrari of the past 3 to 4, or more (sans the Schumacher/Barrichello/Todt years), years.
@Samylton
@Samylton 4 жыл бұрын
The car handled like a truck- that’s ballsy
@ibraheemh5586
@ibraheemh5586 4 жыл бұрын
Not ballsy if it's the truth
@anthonysimoes7307
@anthonysimoes7307 3 жыл бұрын
Niki Lauda did one better. He said it was a shitbox, then still won 2 championships with them
@JeffSyam
@JeffSyam 4 жыл бұрын
Off course they were wrong. But yes only two drivers who managed to change team culture, Lauda & Schumacher, and sadly after them gone, team culture back to "default setting": totally disconnected with drivers during development and then slaving drivers to control the cars.
@heliumtrophy
@heliumtrophy 4 жыл бұрын
I mean you could tell something was up during the end of the Schumacher era when there were people in the Italian press complaining that Ferrari no longer felt like it was an Italian team because there were very few Italians left and Ferrari post-Montezemolo were hugely reactionary and went down that road and I think we've seen what happens. Prost also should share his part of the blame because his comments were getting extremely insufferable (mirroring the situation he was in) so there was no way that he was helping the situation. It's just a shame it didn't work out but Ferrari is a toxic place to be in - and having Nigel Mansell as your team-mate can also be a pain in the arse so it was never going to be enjoyable.
@MrTommySullivan
@MrTommySullivan 4 жыл бұрын
I have to say it - the 641/2, in my opinion, was the most beautiful F1 car every designed by mankind.
@andrearojas1248
@andrearojas1248 4 жыл бұрын
I liked all the 640's 1989-1991, mostly 640 & 643.
@sebastianovanzetta512
@sebastianovanzetta512 3 жыл бұрын
Saw it at Enzo Ferrari Museum in Modena...I kept staring at it like it was a Van Gogh painting
@crusherbmx
@crusherbmx 4 жыл бұрын
My heart sank when he said "nearly 30 years ago"
@AsterixMiguelix
@AsterixMiguelix 3 жыл бұрын
I always grew up a blind senna fan, only now do I see how Prost was also one of the top 5 drivers of all time. Ps: 10 minutes of looking at photos of the 643 has been a pleasure hahahah
@longde
@longde Жыл бұрын
The more you understand their story, you'll see Senna was Prost's #1 fan and once Prost retired, Senna's motivation wasn't there anymore.
@vodevick
@vodevick 3 жыл бұрын
OMG those were beautiful cars back then! So sleek and ”clean” looking compared to today’s overloaded monsters. I miss those times...
@georglorenz1036
@georglorenz1036 4 жыл бұрын
Still hating Mansell for screwing up the Portuguese GP in 1990...
@Rich77UK
@Rich77UK 3 жыл бұрын
I know many don't like Prost but you can't deny he was a hell of a driver. I miss the Senna, Mansel, Prost days. Real characters driving and both cars and drivers had personality. Also. That 7up liveried Jordan 191...isnt that just the best looking F1 car ever!
@Blu9ty
@Blu9ty 4 жыл бұрын
Most of the stuff mentioned hasn't changed.
@Houston1863
@Houston1863 4 жыл бұрын
Ferrari will never change. The politics, the poor management and the often-made accusation that there are too many chiefs in the place. Their golden era when Michael Schumacher arrived did not come until his fifth year with the team and with his own key personnel at that ( by whom I mean Brawn, Todt, et al ). One only has to look at them now. With Alain Prost and Fernando Alonso, they should have cleaned up. Instead they allowed themselves to be taken to the cleaners. It's such a sad waste and a waste of the talent of some of the greatest drivers ever in the sport. When Jody Sheckter signed with the team, I recall Jackie Stewart remarked when asked that Ferrari was not the team he would go to by choice. Despite Sheckter's solus and gifted title ( because Giles Villeneuve should have been the champion ) in 1979, Stewart's comments hold true to this day.
@integral32gb
@integral32gb 4 жыл бұрын
'because Giles Villeneuve should have been the champion',, errr no. GV would have never been champion. Yes he was a natural driver, but you need more than that to win a WDC. Jody's techincal skill, racecraft and consistancy, won him the championship (wth very big help from the Michelin radials and Ferrari reliability). GV couldn't set a car up in a month of sundays, Jody did that in 1979. Once a real serious talent in the form of Didier Pironi turned up at Ferrari, GV was starting to look less than brilliant. If you think I'm hard on GV, then go and look back at some of the races he was in contention and then threw it away (Dutch 1979 is a case in point where Alan Jones worried GV into the most amateur of mistakes) and say to me he could have been WDC
@roastingminer6919
@roastingminer6919 4 жыл бұрын
That ferrari looked and sounded beautiful. Ferrari f640-f643
@amjan
@amjan 3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the F639 which it all began from!
@eddieconroy212
@eddieconroy212 4 жыл бұрын
Ferrari were on a downward spiral from 91 onwards. I don’t think Prost as a driver could have done anything to stop that. A clean sweep at the top was need and that’s what happened with Tolt coming on board, but even then it took years to rebuild.
@r7coo
@r7coo 3 жыл бұрын
I was gutted when Mansell left Ferrari at the end of 1990.Wheras it was the smartest move he made.
@F1pidis
@F1pidis 4 жыл бұрын
All this instability within the team is poisonous. Look at Ferrari nowadays, the exact same thing is happening, changing personnel on a whim and not giving them time to build the team. You can't bring in new people and suddenly get to the top, they will be too inexperienced, which is why Ferrari is struggling right now. Just look at how many bosses they threw out. In just 3 years they went from Domenically to Mattiaci and then arrivabene and as things were looking to gradually improve the went and changed things up again, in just 3 YEARS. And we can all see the result....
@claudioschumi87
@claudioschumi87 4 жыл бұрын
Being a Ferrari fan and Italian I was too young to remember the struggles of the 90s and the political mess Ferrari were going through. A lot of people don't seem to understand that not long ago Enzo Farrari had passed and before the great man left us it was his way of running things or nothing mentality and I think Luca Di Montezomolo wanted to replicate the great man philosophy but with the Agnelli family (FIAT) becoming more involved it always difficult recreate what Enzo had done for decades before his passing. I became a fan from 95 onwards what Jean Todt and Luca did was very risky and expensive because getting a driver like Michael Schumacher from Benetton when he was winning titles against a very good Williams team you must back it up with a car that can win titles. I think Michael knew it was going to be a challenge and that's why he went but I don't think he understood the history and traditions behind it in his early start at Ferrari it took him a few years maybe the first title at Ferrari in 2000 when he finally understood the meaning of being a Ferrari driver. That being said I think Prost wanted that at Ferrari after his departure in a bitter way at Mclaren with Ron and Senna and wanted to prove them what he is capable of without Mclaren. If Prost had Todt and Brawn in the team I think the Schumacher era would have happened much earlier than 96-2006.
@varunsambi2004
@varunsambi2004 4 жыл бұрын
Carlos Sianz : write that shit down. 😂
@artpereira
@artpereira 4 жыл бұрын
I am not a Prost fan at all, but he did know how F1 worked almost better than anyone at the time.
@callesierra
@callesierra 4 жыл бұрын
When Ross Brawn took over the team he made it mandatory that the language among the team be ENGLISH. The Italians are very emotional by nature and sometimes that’s an issue. Now that McLaren is finding its feet Sainz may join the list of “ used to drive for Ferrari” drivers which would be a shame. How many chiefs have this team had in the last 5 years. No stability. This is a terrible shame because they are legends. Only time will tell.
@MP48
@MP48 3 жыл бұрын
Prost was a good organiser. He wasn't as focused on just driving as Senna was. He was very influencial in the technical and administrative functions. Maybe too loyal. Probably his biggest mistake was buying Ligier when it was already on the way down and depending on promises of politicians to ensure financial backing. Still one of the best drivers ever
@GARBO96
@GARBO96 4 жыл бұрын
A lot of what he tried to do was put in place later on. how do you say that and then say maybe he was right it's not maybe it's he was right A lot of what he tried to do was use later on, on a extremely dominant team
@Ultegra10SPD
@Ultegra10SPD 4 жыл бұрын
PC language affects on describing a Ferrari F1 car. Lauda - 1973 - “Sh-.” Prost - 1991 - “truck”. Vettel - 2020 - too muzzled by PR handlers to say anything not run thru a legal team first.
@user-gy2dr7ff9u
@user-gy2dr7ff9u 4 жыл бұрын
If they had listened to him, Prost could have built a powerhouse there.
@larrylevious8205
@larrylevious8205 Жыл бұрын
Sure, just like he did at Prost F1
@majorkilljoy
@majorkilljoy 3 жыл бұрын
i think half of Ferraris problem is everyone in management thinks the teams the best and will never hear any negative comments
@isuckatthisgame
@isuckatthisgame 3 жыл бұрын
prost was right from the beginning
@peponeslotproject8748
@peponeslotproject8748 7 ай бұрын
Prost was right about his Ferrai experience. It was a very sad one in his carreer !
@bassmunk
@bassmunk 4 жыл бұрын
Impulsiveness has no place in a technical sport/work place. This is why Mercedes is such a powerhouse. They don't relax when things are good, they don't let tension build, they are very transparent. "This is why things are the way they are and we all need to get on top of it. Your personal dramas are not for the work place. We need everyone to work together to maximize productivity." That's their attitude in a nutshell.
@mich722
@mich722 4 жыл бұрын
Ferrari lost Marchionne.
@jordanstriker1656
@jordanstriker1656 4 жыл бұрын
Prost: "The car drives like a truck" Ferrari: You're fired
@renatonunes1533
@renatonunes1533 3 жыл бұрын
Prost always blamed the cars for his own defeats and Ferrari knew what he looked like when hired him. I haven't even finished watching the video, but I'm sure the real reason for Prost's departure is not among the 9 reasons: as revealed by Piquet, Prost had sex with a Ferrari director's wife.
@sh0t3dNL
@sh0t3dNL 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! I like your content. If you don't mind, i'd like to give some feedback on your video's. Idk if this is just me, but i expierence your voice volume as being quite low. I often find myself turning up the volume 2.5 - 3 times, wich makes me sh*t myself when moving on to some other video. Maybe it's possible to upload with some enhanced volume?
@ducky5336
@ducky5336 4 жыл бұрын
This appeared in my recommended and it’s only been 22 minutes
@j.i.s.l178
@j.i.s.l178 4 жыл бұрын
Me too...
@Geeoorggee
@Geeoorggee 4 жыл бұрын
Yesss more like this plz!! Love history
@johncate9541
@johncate9541 3 жыл бұрын
If Alain Prost was driving for you and you weren't winning, the problem was NOT the driver! The only reason Ferrari won with Schumi was that he brought half of Benetton along for the ride. They managed to change the culture...for a while.
@eIucidate
@eIucidate 4 жыл бұрын
Can you do one about Hill being fired by Williams?
@CapHowdy
@CapHowdy 4 жыл бұрын
Well he wasn't "fired". Prost was "fired" by Ferrari. Frentzen was "fired" by Jordan. Hill just did not have his contract renewed as it expired at the end of 1996. Not retaining a driver and firing them are two different things.
@mrorangepeel659
@mrorangepeel659 3 жыл бұрын
CapHowdy They made the decision not to renew Hill’s contract during 1995... while Hill wasn’t performing well and made a few mistakes. Williams were then shocked as Hill dominated in 1996. Frank Williams later admitted that he had underestimated Hill and his speed, and had always regretted the decision.
@eIucidate
@eIucidate 3 жыл бұрын
@@CapHowdy Yes indeed they are different but for the intents and purposes of my request, it'll do. Just as this video focuses on what led up to Prost being fired, I was more interested in seeing a video about what led up to Hill's departure, rather than the specifics of whether he was fired or the team had his contract lapse.
@gigsawsoljier1408
@gigsawsoljier1408 3 жыл бұрын
@@mrorangepeel659 dominated is a strong word for a driver who had by far best car and a rookie team mate and schumacher switched teams
@izanagisburden9465
@izanagisburden9465 3 жыл бұрын
@@gigsawsoljier1408 dominated is dominated... I don't think what else it can mean no matter how ass he was at a competitive level
@charlie.mike.7659
@charlie.mike.7659 4 жыл бұрын
so when's season 2 of the bring back v10s podcast?
@Z06RFan
@Z06RFan 2 жыл бұрын
Remember Prost was great at setting up the cars. He also had a great mentor Lauda who taught him even more about setup. It was Lauda that turned Ferrari around in the 70's. I remember watching F1 during those times and Ferrari had issues and was never consistent. We can all play "What if" with this scenario. In all sports it takes great people to accomplish great results. All sports teams go in cycles of winning their respective championships.
@TenorCantusFirmus
@TenorCantusFirmus 4 жыл бұрын
It always makes me a strange effect to me seeing n.27 both on Prost's and Gilles' Ferraris, two such different drivers having the same number... History is anyway repeating, it's absurd to see how we haven't learnt from the errors of the past... Why we always have to have these long droughts? We should have learnt from the previous two...
@longde
@longde Жыл бұрын
Gilles and Prost were good, ckose friends.
@TenorCantusFirmus
@TenorCantusFirmus Жыл бұрын
@@longde Yes, but still a bit strange seeing the 27 on Ferraris driven by both.
@srivenkat2811
@srivenkat2811 4 жыл бұрын
Can we get a video about Jean Todt and those masterclass years please?
@sarelras4103
@sarelras4103 2 жыл бұрын
He was fired twice once by Renault and Ferrari
@mattbowers8143
@mattbowers8143 4 жыл бұрын
The race is a world apart and in a different class than what autosport is putting out recently... autosport is terrible with who they have on their team right now and long may it last... keep it up the race.
@jraybay
@jraybay 4 жыл бұрын
Good content 😎
@lespaz1197
@lespaz1197 4 жыл бұрын
Seeing today how talented Prost is to lead a team (Prost ACer already could have been really successful if many things didnt go wrong) Ferrari definatley should have listened more to him but then maybe they wouldnt have brought in di Montezemolo
@keyboardwarrior327
@keyboardwarrior327 4 жыл бұрын
Based on the podcast on the subject (which I loved and re-listen to often), this video will be a good one.
@cereal-killer4455
@cereal-killer4455 4 жыл бұрын
Loving these type of videos where a major story from the past is broken down in detail. I’d love to hear about stories from the late 70s as well!
@SB-or7cx
@SB-or7cx 3 жыл бұрын
Nice vidéo, thanks!
@EB_110
@EB_110 4 жыл бұрын
An element to add in the problem is that Ferrari had lost Enzo just two years before, then there is no wonder why the team was so bad structured.
@mich722
@mich722 4 жыл бұрын
And recently they lost Marchionne! Yet this is conveniently forgotten for some reason.....
@christendombaffler
@christendombaffler 4 жыл бұрын
Ferrari are their own worst enemy. It sucks for Vettel because his nostalgia blinded him to the fact that it was Schumacher and his entourage who made Ferrari the beastly contender that it was back in the day, not the actual Italians in the team. I don't see things going any better for Leclerc in the future.
@ZeZeBatata69
@ZeZeBatata69 4 жыл бұрын
The problem with Ferrari and Vettel ( in the first years ) is called Mercedes.
@gorkab8461
@gorkab8461 4 жыл бұрын
After 2014, Vettel had no choice but to leave Red Bull, and Alonso gave him the golden opportunity to join Ferrari
@LimitPro1
@LimitPro1 4 жыл бұрын
He was blind and now that reality settle in he is likely feeling like shit now
@hoverbike
@hoverbike 3 жыл бұрын
Top tip: a thick, winter sock, can be used as an improvised pop-filter on a microphone.
@Sagitariosun1776
@Sagitariosun1776 3 жыл бұрын
Ask Enrique Scalabroni for more information about this since you didn´t mention him here. He also left the team when he was main designer of Ferrari in 1990. This video would make much more sense.
@fabiosousa9814
@fabiosousa9814 4 жыл бұрын
Alain Prost is just awesome!
@larrylevious8205
@larrylevious8205 Жыл бұрын
Especially on the parade lap at San Marino in 1991.
@jonnyscott8910
@jonnyscott8910 4 жыл бұрын
Would have been great for prost to be wdc but the Italians don't like criticism as I've found out working with them and it's a shame that Ferrari have a revolving management style and a dirty habit of chucking out drivers that alleged to be past their best and I can't them getting things sorted out and the driver to be champion was raikkonen so it says a lot.
@skinnyrigid
@skinnyrigid 4 жыл бұрын
Only 2 drivers have won the WDC in the past 40 years for Ferrari, says a lot about their management. If Prost had the team/framework The Michael had he could've been 6x or 7x WDC no doubt.
@gorkab8461
@gorkab8461 4 жыл бұрын
And you could argue Kimi won because of the McLaren self-destruct meltdown!
@paperplane-db8qf
@paperplane-db8qf 10 ай бұрын
@@gorkab8461Kimi had a lot of reliability issues resulting in DNFs in 2007 while Lewis just had a gearbox issue in Brazil and Alonso had none. so he should’ve won the title regardless and was not lucky because of Mclaren.
@MetalMonster313
@MetalMonster313 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine the scenes after Ferrari dropping Seb that the team he joins next year wins the title in 22
@joe5boost
@joe5boost 4 жыл бұрын
all said and done that 1990 car is so god damm beautiful
@MacVSog64-72
@MacVSog64-72 3 жыл бұрын
Mansell and testing??? Mansell was more interested to test new golf clubs instead of his F1 car that´s why he was the first one on the golf course and also the 1st one to leave the race track!
@176tyrex6
@176tyrex6 3 жыл бұрын
Lauda : this thing is a piece of shit Ferrari : you cant say that!!! Lauda : why? Ferrari : its a ferrari!!! "rush movie"
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