Hope you enjoy the game :)

Case in point my friend, I haven’t the slightest desire to read every book I come across in Star field. The sense of wonder and mystery is not as present in my opinion.

​@@simcha10000I feel like the wonder and mystery is more science based, like the theoretical physics baked into the story or the different types of life.

Don’t be sorry, Starfield simply isn’t lore heavy enough, or even really interesting in my honest opinion.

Honestly while the game has lore I enjoy, I have to say I am disappointed in terms of them not doing much more worldbuilding wise in certain areas.

That would be really cool actually

I hope to see Eastern Reach and Orsinium 4.0 in a DLC.

@@badluck5647 If it's both Provences of High Rock and Hammerfell very good likelihood we'll see a dlc like that.

@@dwarflord420 Maybe. Nothing has been confirmed

That’s just lame theory on fans heads, the reachmen are known to be violent and worship daedra it’s obvious they just didn’t agree with the talks and murdered the guy

That theory seems pulled straight outta Delphine's book.

Ohhh interesting theory! Hadn’t considered that angle

I disagree that Ulfric wouldn't use underhanded methods as he has schemed to kill his High King in a rigged duel. However, my mind went directly to the Silver-Bloods as the culprit of the assassination as they would have the most to gain from the death of their jarl.

@@badluck5647 hiring an assassin in dishonorable, killing someone in a duel isnt (even if completely unfair) in his ethics

@@MarinaInChains That was not an honorable duel. Using the Thu'um is his duel, which is like bringing a machete to a boxing match. Ulfric is incredibly underhanded.

@@badluck5647 yes, that is what I said too, but honor has always been a vague concept, Ulfric sees it as being Torygg's fault he wasn't prepared, not as cheating

Yes. The Imperials divided the Reachmen to segregate their power base.

​@@badluck5647Makes sense also since Reachmen are larping Bretons pretending to be wood elves Cannibalism included.

Possible, but a stretch. How would they reason that assassinating the then Jarl so his son could become Jarl work out to them dethroning him 25 years later?

Well he definitely didnt start it, whatever it might be called. Did end it though.. who knows how many Nords were saved from being murdered for their bones and turned into weapons

​@@secicuThere are zero stories from the Nords of daedric rituals, hagravens, or brairhearts in the city during the two years the Forsworn ruled. Clearly, they only turned to extremism after Ulfric's war crimes against their population.

@@badluck5647 ... Why do you think the Jarl summoned Ulfric? And Ulfric ending the violence in Markarth didnt travel through time and force the first Red Eagle/Briarheart into existence And there are plenty Forsworn hold outs that have clearly been used for human sacrifice torture and Grape for far longer than Ulfric has been around. Like the Broken tower Redoubt. Also, Nope. Nothing Nords did forced them to do anything, thats all on them. Its literally their culture

​​@@secicuThe Jarl called for Ulfric to help him recolonize the Reach, so the Nords could continue to exploit the people and steal the natural resources. They literally have Reachmen slave labor working the silver mines. What evidence do you have that the 4th era Reachmen were fanatics before the Markarth incident? None? Thought so. Also, Ulfric is a hypocrite for wanting autonomy for the Nords, while denying the right to the Reachmen.

The facts are: Reachmen worship literal demons and hagravens that much is undeniable The empire had a duty to defend its province and instead was going to negotiate with the insurgents and fuck over their province, the very same province that saved them at red ring Conclusion: Ulfric wouldn’t have started a war had the empire actually taken back the city as was their duty

A big if there.. Too bad that was never the case then, huh? Forsworn started associating with Hagravens and practice ritual torture , human sacrifice way way way before Ulfric. They were never peaceful, and Nords did not "force" Reachmen to kill Nords solely to make weapons from the bones of the murdered Nords. What are you even saying here? They were always extremists, as seen in the lore books like legend of the red Eagle

​@@secicuThere are zero stories from the Nords of daedric rituals, hagravens, or brairhearts in the city during the two years the Forsworn ruled. You would think every Nordic propagandist would be shouting this from the rooftops if that was the case. Like the story in Red Eagle and confirmed in the ESO Markarth, the act of working with hagravens is an act of desperation and not common place. This desperation and extremism only occurred after Ulfric's executions and torture.

@@badluck5647 There is enough context. And still Nope, its a part of their culture Explain how Ulfric is "forcing" Reachmen to murder Nords for their bones? Walk me through that one How are Nords making them ritualistically torture people in the broken Tower Redoubt etc etc? Theres lots to ask why dont this or that faction do one thing or another, if the imperials actually oppose the Thalmor and its not just empty words... why do they constantly go out of their way to serve Thalmor interest even when there is no need? No amount of justifying will change the fact that all that is simply Reachmen culture. As seen in the red eagle book, there isnt Actually a distinction and the two terms are used interchangably, Forsworn and Reachmen

@@secicu By "context" you mean you assume based on zero evidence. What context shows that the Reachmen were doing daedric rituals before the Markarth incident? The local Nords and Reachmen talk as if the issue started after Ulfric showed. Markarth DLC: *Why would the Thornroot Clan ally with Hagravens?* _These are hard times. Maybe the Thornroots saw the Hagravens as their only hope. Whatever their reason, they let the Hagravens turn them against their neighbors._ _That's what Hagravens do. They lead those who seek their help into dark deeds._ Even in the Second Era, dealing with Hagravens is only considered when there is an existential threat. If Ulfric didn't execute prisoners, torture women, and make the rest work as slaves in the mines, then the Forsworn wouldn't be making dark deals with the hagravens.

​@@secicu Small correction: the Forsworn didnt "start" associating with Hagravens and sacrificing people after taking over the reach. They've been doing that for centuries. Hircine is a big part of Reachman culture.

Why shouldn't they rule themselves as a province of the Empire like the Orcs of Orsinium?

"There can never be peace in the Reach until the foreign oppressive Nord presence is removed, leaving all the Reachmen as a unit to control their own affairs and determine their own destinies as a sovereign people, free in mind and body, separate and distinct physically, culturally and economically." - Madanach Sands, RRA commander

Larping Bretons practicing human sacrifice and ritual torture, murdering Nords to make weapons from their bones are natives to nothing and are simply another deadra cult

Total Reachman Death

It was more about the Jarl at the time asking for aid in stopping forsworn violence the imperials were ignoring than simply worshipping freely.

@@secicu The deal was that they get free Talos worship inexchange for ridding Markarth of the Forsworn.

@@Rodiacreed More or less.. but the only reason the Jarl was making the deal at all was because of the Forsworn violence. That the imperials were ignoring Ulfric didnt like randomly show up and suggest he could get rid of the Forsworn if the Jarl allowed Talos worship.. It was a reward for ending the violence

@@secicu Are you saying that they didn't agree before hand on the terms? I find that hard to believe. "I will risk my life for you and give you back your land, city and title and then you can decide what reward to give me." is not something Ulfric or anyone reasonable will say.

@@Rodiacreed Not as such, no. Only that it was a quid pro quo, spurned out of necessity and desperation on the Jarls part on behalf of the city left to its own devices by the imperials when under threat Ulfric helped them, and furthered the will of Talos/Tiber Septim in the meantime, winwin really. But then the imperials repaid the Stormcloaks sacrifice by betraying the deal the Imperial Jarl made.

If Skyrim were split into 9 countries without a unified leader it would be very difficult for the Empire to manage them. They’d likely have to appoint a governor, which would have to be an unelected dictator for it to be effective at breaking them up. This would be an awful slap in the face of the Nords’ culture and civil rights.

@@torrent6181 as citizens of the empire they can still wonder about. But it's their fault for rebelling.

The Reachmen have a solid identity that is outside the Nordic one and don't even share their blood. Some level of preference is inherent or else why would they want to rule in their own name? These are the same people who decorate their dwellings and armors with skulls and bones, worship hagravens, and create Briar-Hearts. That is a pretty severe cultural clash.

@@Raycloud this is a common misconception. Elder Scrolls online reveal reachmen are a unique race but that they do have nord blood from paternal race mixing. It's diluted though. But yes. They're reachmen are their own race. But your following a old misconception.

@@noahtylerpritchett2682 Yes I'm sure all the races are a little mixed but they are still distinct from one another. Nords and Reachmen have different traits and cultures.

This is pure paranoia and Imperial fanboyism. He fought in a bloody war, saw his countrymen die by the hundreds, was captured and torched. Upon his return from that war he raised a militia to re-capture a city taken over by hostile wild men. In return he asked for worship in that one city. Get some perspective. Maybe go visit Northwatch Keep or the butchered Talos Worshipers near the Guardian Stones. Go do that and reflect on what might drive people to rebellion. Or maybe, just imagine in real life telling people to follow their religion only in secret and see if it sits well with you. How about this, here is my platform for America. It's very reasonable. Muslims and anyone else who is not a Christian is free to worship as they will, as long as it is completely out of sight. Does that work for you?

Sir i respect your opinion but you are getting really heated about a concept that is just a fantasy game at the end of the day. but here is what i mean by being short sided. if that is what has upset you about my earlier comment. Ulfric seems to have fail to realize how much trust most of the people of skyrim had in him. if he wanted a successful rebellion like the redguards of hammerfell he simply needed to convince the high king which he had immense influence it is widely believed that if only ulfic was a little more patient and had some forthought he would have had all of skyrm at his back. the hero freeing his people by unifying skyrim. thats what he wanted but his plan was flawed. He believed that if he killed the High King ,who lets be frank had no chance in winning and couldn't decline, he would reveal how weak skyrim had become under the rule of the empire. He seemed to believe that he would have all of skyrim rally behind him after killing the king. But this only served to turn himself into a morally questionable figure. He divided skyrim, you were with him or against him, and so this once hero was now a murderer in the eyes of many the people he wanted to save and fight for. thats short sighted. Had he used his immense influence he had over the king he could have had the king do what ever he wanted. As for a second point i merely thought that if the theory of what the video said was even somewhat true then its sad that ulfic literally created his own worst fear. A self full filling prophecy. If the video is to be believed the thalmor had no influence in skyrim until the markath incident and so to that i feel it is short sided. Thankyou for having this conversation with me sir. I hope you have a wonderful day.@@Raycloud

@@Raycloud Ulfric tried negotiation and it failed him, is it any wonder he resorted to drastic action

​​@@Raycloud That is nothing but two-penny breezerag populism. Good job on being a Thalmor asset, led by a damn fool who murdered his king and disgraced the way of the voice AND nordic dueling traditions while doing so. And only managed to escape because by happenstance there was a traitor gate guard in Solitude. And then he got captured and defeated multiple times. *In every conflict he was in, in fact.* Hell, Skyrim *starts* with yet another one of his defeats and his "honourable" followers don't even have the moral backbone to clarify to the Imperials that there are indeed two non-Stormcloacks on the wagon. The exact opposite in fact. Some heroes of the people, huh? Ulfric is so short-sighted that he could apply for a legally blind-status. Too bad there's people who are even worse: His breezerag supporters and bootlickers.

@@FreelancerStudios100 Of-course it's just a game but it's not fun if you are completely detached. As well, when people like Imperial Library or other loremongers delve into it I feel they are making a serious mistake by not thinking about things in this way. They tend to gloss over the reality (for the people inhabiting that universe) of what is going on and what it means for those fictional people. Why put all the blame on Ulfric for standing up, perhaps short-sidedly, for principal and faith? Why not blame the Thalmor for making such outrageous demands and the weak Empire for accepting them? Here is a suggestion. When Markarth offers free Talos worship and the Thalmor complain about it tell them NO. Call their bluff. They are not going to invade the Empire over one distant city that agreed to open worship as the price for taking it back from tribals. Their entire strategy is playing the Empire for fools by letting the Imperials think they are biding their time when in reality all they are doing is enabling the Thalmor to weaken them further. Pro-tip: tell the Thalmor to piss off and they aren't going to have their agents running around Skyrim causing problems. An Empire that tells the Thalmor NO is an Empire that far fewer Nords will want to fight against. I understand the situation in 176 but the Empire should have stood firmer in the years that followed.

Look at the orcs of Orsinium. International relations and trade forced moderation on what was formally a tribal society. Only after Ulfric's war crimes against Reachmen citizens did the locals turn to Hagravens and their rituals to fight against their oppressors.

​@@badluck5647What are you talking about? As the legend of the red eagle book shows, Reachmen have always been close to Hagravens

@@secicu Markarth DLC: *Why would the Thornroot Clan ally with Hagravens?* _These are hard times. Maybe the Thornroots saw the Hagravens as their only hope. Whatever their reason, they let the Hagravens turn them against their neighbors._ _That's what Hagravens do. They lead those who seek their help into dark deeds._ Even in the Second Era, dealing with Hagravens is only considered when there is an existential threat. The first story of this is when Red Eagle turned to the Hagravens to face an invasion of the First Empire. Also, claiming society always matched the time of Red Eagle is disingenuous as Skyrim and the Reach have been imperialized to a degree. It is like saying the Nords are always been genocidal and then point to Ysgramor and Hoag Merkiller.

@@badluck5647 Excuses excuses Oh woe is me, im so sad and oppressed.. i gave to do human sacrifices i just have too!1!!11! There is no choice, torture too!!; Boohoo cry cry, soooo sad. Mythic Dawn might have said much the same. Reachmen are larping Breton Daedra cultists, nothing more.

@@secicu So Nords enslaving, torturing, and massacring the Reachmen is okay, but the Reachmen are unjustified when they *respond* with the same? "Respond" is the key word as none of this violence would have happened if it wasn't for Ulfric's initial war crimes.

Reachmen were murdering Nords with impunity and making weapons from their bones, the Jarl went to the imperials first but they were fine with Nords being killed. Forcing the Jarl to seek help to stop the violence elsewhere, hence.. Ulfric As per legend of the red eagle book, Reachmen have consorted with Hagravens and practiced human sacrifice for a very long time. Nothing to do with Ulfric

Several ingame nords say it wasnt a big deal at the time. It was a statement about whats in the game, not something about real life, as I just deal with whats in the game

@@ImperialKnowledge Yet people have been fighting and dying over Talos worship for years and years now. That very fact contradicts any statements that the Talos ban was not a big deal. It was not a big deal to SOME Nords, the same ones who will take up arms in defense of the Empire in 4e201, but clearly the ban was a big deal to many others.

​@@ImperialKnowledgeAnd many Nords say Thu'um is for Greybeards and way of the coward uh voice.. theyre wrong there too Thu'um is for all Nords, Jurgen was wrong. He suffered from skill issue, no more no less.

@@ImperialKnowledge Give way to religious persecution by banning Talos and now look, that ban from the treaty which "wasn't a big deal at the time" suddenly becomes a fighting point for a Civil War.... Also plenty of Nords state it was a big deal (The WGC and it's banning of Talos), read any dialogue from Vignar, Nura SnowShod, Thongvor Silver-Blood, Vulwulf, Jora etc etc. They all don't like having the culture oppressed.

Well apart from Talos who is a new God, every other divine was already worshipped by the old Nordstrom. Just under different names and aspects like almost every other race in Tamriel, so after so long under Imperial rule it makes sense the Imperial religious customs spread around, just because they're under different names doesn't mean they're not the Nord's gods.

@@zeinnanla5422 not quite. Nordic aspects are VERY different from the Imperial ones. Let alone Nordic view of Alduin/Akatosh.

@@TheElderScrollsFan88 well once again whether the people worshipping him call him Alduin, Akatosh, Auri-El, or Satakal is worship still not directed at the same God. And did people in real life not also change their views on their own religions and syncretize upon contact with new faiths. There's a reason by the end he was called Serapis and not Osiris.

@@zeinnanla5422 you miss the point. Nords DO NOT worship Alduin. Alduin is a destroyer god, a bringer of the end times. They are genuinely afraid of even whispering his name, or else he may wake and end the kalpa. Imperial religion is the opposite. Akatosh is an Imperial time-dragon, a patron god of the Empire and chief among 9(or 8) Divines.

Which Elves? The Dunmer? The Altmer? The Bosmer? The Falmer? . . . The Dwemer?

THE ELVES!!!@@JarenLemon

@@mikelastname3498 yet it was started by the humans. your Ysgrammor was a butcher, he got deceived by the Dwemer after they ended his people there. Ysgrmmor went and butchered the wrong race of Mer, should it was started by those godless dwemer, but Ysgrammor's hands were not innocent after wards. And your Talos is also a butcher , use of the numridian to form his empire.

@@christophermills7693 Nuh uh.

It's the Nords fault for refusing to treat their fellow humans with respect.

No, a better analogy would be if the Allies had attacked and liberated the Japanese Unit 731 Reachmen/Forsworn being the unit 731 Japanese, as seen by Forsworn areas like the Broken Tower redoubt

@@xqzqcv7950 Idk about that, but its a cool alternative analogy ig

@@honinakecheta601👌Mm, well.. Yeah, having looked into Forsworn.. found that it fits very well