Would just like to inform everyone that the origin of the term and archetype "puppet fighter" *comes* from Heritage For The Future, Devo is the ORIGINAL puppet fighter in fighting games, the entire reason why it's called a _"puppet"_ fighter is because his stand is _literally a puppet._

I love that Mista 4 Curse mechanic because it discourages players from just keeping their ammo at its safest ampunt, not too much and not too little, and encourages either going with lower or higher amounts of ammo. It makes Mista fights feel more scrambly and panicked, which fits with the way he had to fight in the manga and his general personality

"vogue your way out of danger..." perfect And All star battle is a masterpiece on animation

Hirohiko Araki didn't write the Eyes of Heaven story mode, but he had a hand in some parts

Fun fact: the physical release of All star battle is going for like 100+ bucks. It’s a neat little way to show how jojo wasn’t as popular in the west when that game came out

A quick note that Eyes of Heaven also features an alternative 'good end" timeline for the whole franchise that is honestly tearjerking. Hurrah for licensed fanfic.

I'd argue there's one thing that keeps us from a fighting game that truly feels like JoJo, and that's its aspects of mystery, dynamism and improvisation. Many times in the story we see characters come up with on-the-fly solutions against enemy powers that they have incomplete information over to win the day, and deducing an enemy's Stand power and making a significant turnaround from that information is a core component of an exhilarating JoJo battle. In fighting game terms, JoJo fights are all about learning character matchups mid-fight or die trying, so when that mystery is solved I feel like it's going to be hard to maintain the "JoJoness" of the fighting game, if that makes sense.

For the "clones" point on HFTF, they aren't actually clones like ryu/ken. The characters mentioned play significantly differently from each other and have their own strengths, and some of them are VERY DRASTICALLY different, like rubber soul and kak, or chaka and bpol. Those guys are nothing alike playwise, you just went off the models and stands. I love the diversity between having different designs for the same JoJo character (once again rubber is NOT comparable to the kaks in design or gameplay), and I think it does the game a great disservice to say half the roster is unnecessary because they're just based off different iterations of the same character, despite their drastically different playstyle.

"The nature of stand battles usually dictates that the enemy stand user initiates the fight with an overwhelming advantage that the victim needs to figure out" Honestly, thinking about how you'd capture this in a multiplayer setting, my mind instantly thought of Hunt Showdown and made me realize that a JoJo Battle Royale game actually makes way more sense than a fighting game. You could very easily turn that feeling of being shot at and having no idea where the opponent is, into the feeling of being ambushed by an enemy stand user. I assumed JoJo Last Survivor was a ridiculous cashgrab, but maybe they're onto something.

Can we get a moment to appreciate cc2? they're expert at fan-service in each series they've done and even their stand-alone stuff (Asura's Wrath and the fuga series) is also great.

"Vogue-ing your way out of danger" is one of the funniest yet on-point descriptions I've ever heard lol One thing that also held All Star Battle was the campaign mode and it's weird mobile-game like way of unlocking new costumes and such :/ But aside from that, ASB has to be my favourite out of the 3!

In defense of the 2 polnareffs,regular polnareff is your general bring stand out, pull it back in, change moveset etc. Black pol actually doesn’t have a stand mode, instead he has unique attacks by using the stand button, and he’s actually a rekka character.

I do think the "starting from a disadvantage" stand battle is something that better fits in a story mode, but we're trying to capture that *in gameplay* so let's brainstorm a bit. Bit of a disclaimer that this probably won't make the most balanced fighting game experience, but then again when has that ever stopped a Jojo game, and all of these ideas assume some kind of "meter" system that is pretty common in all fighting games these days. 1. Maybe some kind of pre-match setup phase. I don't know what a full-blown setup minigame would look like, but I would avoid anything that pulls you out of the core battle system: You don't want people to say "ugh, this stupid minigame again" every time you start a match. 2. A wager system... something like both players start with full meter and bet a certain amount of it in secret, and the player who bet the most meter gets an advantage. In the case of a tie neither player gets the advantage. 3. Both players start with full meter, which can be used to activate this advantaged state as a super on hit. This way it comes down to the first person to land a clean hit into super gets the advantage, but this one is a *really dangerous one* since I don't care what fighting game you're playing, some characters have an easier time getting hits in than others. You could theoretically balance that out by having the characters with worse neutral have a better advantaged state, but I don't know. Do I think any of these ideas are potentially fun? Eh... "Disadvantaged state" is too nebulous of a concept to make any judgement on, but this at least facilitates that jojo style setup.

I just want an actual fighting game studio to get ahold of the JoJo license

I remember someone making a video over how King Crismon could work in a fighting game, and it was brilliant! (You also forgot to precise that Heritage for The Future is the only game where Midler is playable, alongside officially getting a design, after being basically one-shotted in the original manga. Devo is also a neat idea for a puppet character in a 2d game.)

Using the mystery stand advantage seems like it would be a good fit for a story mode, giving the players some kind of puzzle solving element to discover the nature of the enemy stand as well as it's weakness before transitioning into a more classically styled brawl.

The first one was on dreamcast also it was my first experience with the Jojo universe it was worth every penny

Honestly, JoJo seems like the perfect property for an asymmetric multiplayer vs game.

DIO doing a team attack with his bf to punch someone at mac5 speed is the coolest thing I've ever seen. Also, the taunt reset tech holy sht. And the animation of kira's bite za dusto is, soooo on point

ArakI stated that when he thought of stands he realize that battles didn’t needed to be brawls he needed drama and misdirection to excite the viewers so essentially it’s hard to make a fighting video game about JoJo while including stands. I think they should do a 3d fighter again but locked the stage but have a ton of stage interaction and have tag team system instead of what they did in eyes over heaven

I really want a port of All Star Battle to modern systems with 60fps, I honestly think ASB is an excellent game

Imagine ArcSys making a Jojo's game in which each character had their own specific mechanics and gimmicks. It would be godlike, especially if they inserted some universal mechanics like the taunting from all star battle and stuff like that.

The coolest feature in All Star Battle that almost never gets brought up is that you can make the game play music you have downloaded on your PS3. So you can play using the anime openings and stuff

I always thought JoJo would work well as an RPG or CRPG. Something where you can take time to create unique scenarios that aren’t inherently “fighting game materials”.

Cool down abilities would help capture the jojo feel in a fighter without compromising gameplay. The puzzle comes from trying to guess which ability the enemy would use and when. That's pretty much the point in the battle where they've figured out the opponents stand and now have to beat it story mode could help with the initial process of the puzzle.

I think the best genre that would fit a JoJo game would be some kind of hybrid of an action game and a point-and-click adventure game.

3:55 none of these are clones. they all play very differently

Dio deserves to have so many clones, his powersets are so different. Shit, Eyes of Heaven should've made a playable version of Dio Over Heaven.

For a Future JoJo game, it’d be cool if they brought back older Araki characters into the roster like when All Star Battle included Ikuro Hashizawa/Baoh as DLC.

A point and click game would fit Jojo perfectly. No one's gonna make it, but it would.

I fucking love ASB thank you for putting it in the lime light a little more

If you want that jojo experience in game form I feel like we need a horror game with a buncha different weirdo monsters that all hound you until you ora ora them completely at the end. Like how Little Nightmares or whatever would have one boss monster hound you for each section of the game until you get to turn the tables somehow in the finale of the area. Only a bit more hype than that, naturally. Which is a hard sell for horror fans I think, but that's more fair to the source material than any fighting game could do for most of these fights

Cool topic on Jojo's fighting games. Closest thing I can think of to a fighting game that best catches stand battles would be adding competitive puzzle elements and a lot of stage interactions. Each character would get abilities to set traps before the battle or get into better positions before trying to counter the other's "puzzle", each character having different priorities on making and solving puzzles or using the environment. Kind of an asymmetrical multiplayer experience if that makes any sense. Mostly I want to capture the feel Narancia vs Formaggio or Josuke vs Kira, two fighters having to figure out how their opponent is doing what they do and how to stop them while keeping their assault going.

Sugarpunch Design Works is a JoJo reference now.

Been saying this since XRD came out: ARCSYS, PLEASE MAKE A JOJO GAME!!!

To add to what would make for a good JoJo's fighting game, I'd love for it to be a 2V2 game like Eyes of Heaven (Though obviously in a 2D format like MVCI or Project L) for all the reasons you mentioned in the video and more. Gameplay wise, I think it could create a lot of specific interactions and character combinations that a player hasn't seen before, and that alone would fair well for JoJo's as seeing unique stands and fights is what gives the manga/anime a lot of their charm. This would take a lot of time obviously, but specific team interactions would give the game a very unique sense of player expression, maybe stuff like Koichi being able to use his abilities on a teammates stand or whatever, causing it to fall and have a hitbox (something like Narancia's plane). I really hope we get to see a new JoJo's fighting game soon. Arcysys would be a great studio to make one

“F*** Pet Shop.” *meanwhile, a bird in the distance stares down menacingly*

Eyes of Heaven may not be a great anime arena brawler (same can be said with most of its kind), but I'd still play it over Knights of Brittania, Jump Force, One Punch Man AHNN and other weaker anime arena fighting blunders just for the lively presentation and tasteful fanservice alone. Still sucks that it doesn't have local co-op though.

I think for me, a good jojo fighting game would have to be one where i am able to fully utilize the potential of a character. and if we're going by that goal alone i don't think it's too difficult! at least barring a few characters that are *impossible* to have as a fighting game character, so the roster will have to be specific in what characters to have. As for the abilities, i honestly feel there's a lot of potential in some of them! Besides the notable stands from Stardust Crusaders being very simple in nature as we've seen that they were able to implement the abilities quite well in HFtF. We can still implement some of the more unorthofox abilities, like imagine if you can play as Mista, you set up your bullet buddies (like how Venom from GG sets up his balls) around the screen, and the bullet you shoot would ricochet between them. Another similar example would be Kraftwerk (whose ability is to store kinetic energy in objects or hold them in place), where you could place some items whether as platforms or hit them and depending how much you hit them you could have a very slow projectile or a really fast near-instant ones! If we bring up another example from GG, even a stand like Moody Blues whose abilities are not as combat-oriented could work like Bedman since he'd be able to "rewind" previous attacks and moves that were used! Even simple things like how The Hand's swipes could create empty spaces in which if you walk into them you'd teleport past it, with whatever gameplay benefit that would give. As long as I am able to creatively use a Stand ability to fight my opponent, i would be very satisfied! and isn't that one of the most fun things about FGs anyways? figuring out ways to open up your opponent, making counter-plays against their strategies and such. I truly do hope that someone (ahem, based arcsys maybe *cough*) could make the dream jojo fighting game come true someday.

And now we have All Star Battle R. SuperPunch predicted this.

I really liked all star battle! Something I noticed when watching high level play was that, the game is focused around loops. I’ve seen the diavolo loop that consists of like, 3 moves but it’s an infinite. There’s also Johnny’s which is a little harder to do since it involves a charge motion. At a casual level it’s pretty great too, having a KOF max mode cancel is pretty cool and being able to have your stand start a motion and use some meter to move yourself while your stand continues attacking is great.

Hope we get an All Star Battle sequel someday, hopefully with less characters tied to the PSN servers as DLC.

I’ve always thought it would be sweet if we got some sort of game that focuses heavily on the stand battle part. Focusing more on environment interactions and unique abilities over face to face brawling. I know it’s a strange pull but I feel like if you could somehow take rainbow six sieges necessity for environmental awareness and destruction mechanics, make it 1v1, and have each character fitted with completely unique mechanics and systems on the same level as a guilty gear character it might become a fun time.

All of the fanservice and details in All Star really had me shook. If it played more like Heritage it would've been perfect.

Alright I have to disagree with asb being a bad fighting game. The asb community didn't ban any characters compared to hftf, that firstly says a lot about the balance. Also no sidestep is extremely important in this game, characters are literally balanced around the fact that they would be unbeatable without sidestep

I think an interesting idea would be for an asymmetrical JoJo game in the style of say DBD or the recent Dragon Ball The Breakers, where a team of players playing as JoJo protags or team members goes against JoJo villains, needing to find their weakness or just survive long enough to get openings. It’d keep that puzzle battle idea while letting either side feel the satisfaction of playing that side of a JoJo battle

I really just like jojo fighting games for the fact that they use lore accurate abiltiies, like how sheer heart attack can be stopped by Act 3 Freeze, or redirected when Avdol burns someone. It's those details from the series that make he game so much fun to play.

Im happy we are getting All Star battle as a new release adding a new gameplay option and no longer requiring campaign mode to unlock costumes also better frame rate. I personally dont think its a bad fighting game.

Oh boy, Heritage to the Future, here we go!

I love that you posted this when i was researching how people would like a jojo fighting game to be made because well... I would love to make one, like an actual licensed fighting game so this helps a lot

I feel like a turn based game would fit the series more, especially since they have the chance to monologue between every attack. A turn based single player game would also allow for very asymmetrical balance, like JRPG bosses having extremely high hp. I imagine something like Valkyria Chronicles but with stands instead of guns. Finding the right position on the field, assigning the right actions to assign each stardust crusader, exploring the map to find the enemy stand user, and mitigating their unfair advantage as much as possible, would be the most important tactics needed to clear the scenario battles.

Capcoms Jojos Heritage for the Future games are my favorite. It was my very first introduction to the Jojos series on Dreamcast back in 2000. The sprites are great running on the same hardware as one of the greatest fighting games of all time Street Fighter 3 3rd Strike. Its also a solid fighting game in itself. Wish it was out for modern consoles as well as the other games.

Hftf is my favorite due to nostalgia. Also for spoiling me on Part 3 in a great way as a kid. :3

your channel randomly popped up on my feed and I'm glad it did. get this sub homey

Nice video, was hoping for a longer video but it's short and to the point.

I think jojo's doesn't need a fighting game, but a singleplayer action game that follows the "villian of the week" style of structure. That way you can genuinely capture that feeling.

I think the funniest thing about this video is that he describes the Injustice games to be his ideal JoJo game

I feel like the JJBA battle royale game would have been worth looking into and mentioning here, even if it's not gotten a home console release. From what I've seen, the battle royale genre suits JJBA surprisingly well

9:30 - there were 2 Diego's in SBR Heritage's Gameplay + All-Star's Visual Style & Gimmicks + Eye's Roster

It's not just that manga/anime Stand Battles start with one side having a massive advantage. As the are treated like puzzles, "solving" the puzzle can eliminate a fair amount of their threat. That's okay in a manga where the whole point is for the hero to struggle until victory is attained, and afterwards it doesn't matter how the balance stands. But it doesn't work so well in a fighting game where you are expected to keep facing opponents that you've already "solved".

i think calling the alternate Pucci and Diegos clones is pretty off mark because their stands not being the same wildly differentiates how they function in game

appreciate your videos as always

I think what could be done instead is having a sort of 'Handicap Mode' that adds the elements of a typical JoJo fight. Maybe something like: You select your character and you don't get to see your opponent in a VS. screen, and during battle the opponent is a black silhouette and their attacks do more damage, and yours do less, and it would be through countering/defending, successfully landing a certain number of hits on the opponent or other factors like getting too far from your opponent for them to hit you (like let's say you're fighting Jotaro and you exit his effective range where even Star Finger won't catch you for a couple seconds) that you would meet the criteria for your opponent and ability to be revealed to you, making the odds even and changing the damage back to normal.

I've got some bad news. Said news involves an all star remaster and a particular bird that has ice powers.

If accurate jojo battle involves an enemy having advantage, does that mean the jojo battle royale has thr most accurate depiction of a jojo battle?

Well I’m about to drop a bunch of character moveset ideas I’ve had for some Jojo characters that haven’t been in a (2D) fighting game yet in the replies + feel free to add your own .

Not sure what prompeted me to come back to this but I feel like the only way you could truely make a perfect jojo fighting game, is if you somehow designed the world's first asymetric fighting game. And good luck figuring that one out, cause outside of the concept itself I have no damn idea.

I think my favorite part of the Eyes of Heaven story was part 4 Josuke decking Joshu out of impatience.

I want a Jojo fighting game made by ArcSystems. I can't think of a better developer to make it than them. They really solidified themselves as the best anime fighter devs ever. Also, hear me out: what if Jojo JRPG instead of a fighting game?

Yaaaay finally the video about Jojo!!!!! Made my day thank you :)

I always thought that JoJo lent itself best to a Battle Royale type game, where you're dropped into an arena against an unknown opponent and you have to figure it out before they get the drop on you or spring their trap. Granted, you could be doing the same, and that's where JoJo's trademark second-guessing comes into play.

4:04 Say it loud, and say it proud, doods! To hell with that vile bird!

I feel like Persona 4 arena might scratch my itch for a jojo fighter, but it being pure p4/3 is a little limited in scope

Doesn't make you feel the exaggerated swagger of a Japanese delinquent with a ghost body guard. 6/10

I'm not shocked at all I recently started getting into Jojo and it's fucking rad.

I absolutely love the shit out of All Star Battle

the jojo stan battles actually sound like the formula for a fun single player

Two characters I really want to see in the next JoJo game that I’ve seen get brushed off as unable to work are Lucy Steel and Axl RO . This mostly stems from people’s lack of understanding on how Ticket to Ride works and how Civil War is based on the opponents own guilt but I think they could both be amazing fighters and I’ll put my ideas in the comments if anyone wants to read .

I haven't played any of these games, but they do look cool. I hope the idea of a Jojo's fighting game would be revisited in the near future.

All I’m saying is that a brutally difficult turn based jojo strategy game would slap

theres an entire video to be made about the sort-of kusoge redemption of asb over the course of its surprisingly well thought out balance patches also the roughest part of EoH to me was just all the returning assets. uglier lighting, worse cuts on all the old supers since they had to split em in half for the tag team stuff, mouth flaps, etc. just a far less pretty game to look at alongside the throwaway gameplay. no baoh either! just awful

I been playing alot of Jojo PS1 and god I love it I haven't gotten to play alot of the other games other then a little bit of Eyes over Heaven with my friend this video makes me excited to try All Star Battle and play more Eyes over Heaven.

If we’re trying to emulate that sense of an unfair advantage before the fighting even starts, we could take Melty Blood’s system of allowing players to move around before a round and give it a shit ton of steroids. Before each round, each player can not only freely move around, but also use specials, summon their stands, or literally anything except damage the other player. As an example, imagine Faust could just pull out pull out like 3 bananas or trumpets or some shit before the “LET’S ROCK!” prompt

I think the one thing that ruins eyes of heaven is the 2v2 style. I think a tag team system would've been better than 2 active players

I think instead of a fighter, if you _had_ to make a multiplayer Jojo game, it would be better as an asymmetric game, like Dead by Daylight, where player A picks a Jojo villain, and then players B, C, D, however many they allow get to pick one of the hero characters, who tend to be a bit more straight forward. You wouldn't know who you're fighting in advance, so you couldn't meta a perfect combo, but each hero should have _some_ option for dealing with the villains' shenanigans The villain would have various options to lay traps, separate heroes, and pick them off, while the heroes would need to complete objectives to defeat the villain. I think it could be really crazy, although to really be fun the players would need to understand their characters well.

Actually I think I want heritage gameplay, asb visual style, and eyes of heavens team mechanic in some way. Like a marvel 1 assist for the dual ultimate because they're just so cool looking.

I would actually love to see a Heritage to the Future version of Jojolion with the craziest characters.

THEY SHOULD RERELEASE HERITAGE OF THE FUTURE!!!

I think you don't need to add any specific mechanics for portraying the unbalanced nature of Stand powers because fighting games actually already provide that experience. When you go up against a top player online or a bullshit AI in Arcade mode, it at first feels like all the cards are stacked against you, but over time, you learn their patterns, find counters and are able to come out on top. I think a Jojo fighting game should portray the insane power of the characters by giving them abilities that at first seem impossible to beat but which do have weaknesses to take advantage of. "Bro, Jotaro is so fucking stupid! Why does this guy have a full-screen super that allows him to do a full combo from anywhere?" "You can block his attacks, it drains his meter, he has to end a combo when timestop ends. Block it and he can't do shit. Or hit him during its startup!" "Bro, Gold Experience Requiem is broken! How do I even beat it? He can reversal and revert all damage!" "To get into it, Giorno needs to pick up the arrow, which happens only if he wins one round, he needs to jam it in which takes 5 whole seconds during which he's totally vulnerable, and you can still beat GER if you just beat him up enough."

I ain’t gonna stand for this clone character slander. Jk but for any future JoJo game I wouldn’t mind some clone characters that were Holy Order Sol type inversions. Like maybe Part 3 Jotaro only has Star Finger but Part 4 has the bullets for the rat hunting arc, and then some differences in time stop. Maybe one can only use time stop as a counter attack super. I think there’s a lot to be explored in clones for a JoJo game, cause given the amount of scenarios and reinventions Araki has done to characters (and even the same character if you’re considering Part 7-8 reincarnations), than you might as well do a few clones.

KZfaq recommended me this video again. I wonder why...

It's not a fighting game but that one JoJo battle royale looks like it comes closest to capturing the vibe of a JoJo fight. It puts the focus on positioning and the noncombat applications of Stand powers, both of which are way more important than pure fighting ability in most JoJo battles. As much as I think a proper JoJo fighting game would be cool I think other genres are just plain better at doing it justice.

What's the music that plays at 4:10, when he begins talking about all star battle?

Gonna “well actually” you real quick about 4:18. CC2 isn’t “largely responsible” for Bandai’s arena fighters. They made 2 out of the at least 10(?) series out there. Then they went on to put out the Demon Slayer game for another publisher. All Star Battle wasn’t a departure from their usual fighter either, since they put out a whole series of 2D fighters before they made arena fighters. The Eyes of Heaven section is… questionable. On one hand, what you said about the gameplay is pretty spot-on except it being hard to pin people down. On the other hand, everything else before you got to the story is iffy. The “clones,” except Part 4 Jotaro, don’t play the same. The Puccis are just All Star Battle’s Puccis split in two (Whitesnake & C-Moon with Made in Heaven) so Pucci would be a viable character in this environment. The Diegos use different stands (won’t talk about that for the anime-onlys). Each stage has a gimmick that affects a match, like Grateful Dead’s aging on the train station stage, so part of the battle involves fighting shit like that off or using it to your advantage. The lip flaps excuse doesn’t fly, not when some dialogue is reused from All Star Battle and some characters had proper animation in-game (Jolyne & Ermes’ interaction). If the fanservice aspect of All Star Battle makes it a great JoJo game, Eyes of Heaven is arguably a better one since not making it a 2D fighter let them put more varied attacks and applications of them in it. Definitely a worse fighting game, though. Also, not mentioning .hack is a crime.

hey are the sprites/animations you used for dio at 2:30 and beyond the jacket dio mod? Might be wrong but if it is thats pretty funny lol

I'll always love Eyes of Heaven just for the team up supers

One additional issue with Eyes of heaven is that iirc multiplayer is online only with god awful netcode so basically even if you do have a friend to play with you mostly can't

Request Can you make a video about short or small characters in Fighting games done right?

10:38 I wonder if he'll make a vid focused on the Project X Zone series since they have alot of cool team attacks. Maybe he'll also include Namco X Capcom and Super Robot Wars OG Endless Frontier

Thanks for the video, I hope someday JJBA give a fighting game that deserve it. Oh and also something else: the game features an original storyline "supervised" by Hirohiko Araki. not exactly writing.