A Beacon in the Galaxy to Message ET w/ Dr. Jonathan Jiang, Kristen Fahy, and Stuart Taylor

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A Beacon in the Galaxy is an updated, binary-coded message has been developed for transmission to extraterrestrial intelligences in the Milky Way galaxy.
The message concludes with digitized images of the human form, along with an invitation for any receiving intelligences to respond. Calculation of the optimal timing during a given calendar year is specified for potential future transmission from both the Five-hundred-meter Aperture Spherical radio Telescope in China and the SETI Institute's Allen Telescope Array in northern California to a selected region of the Milky Way which has been proposed as the most likely for life to have developed.
Are we in the dark forest? Is that the answer to the fermi paradox?
A Beacon in the Galaxy: Updated Arecibo Message for Potential
FAST and SETI Projects
arxiv.org/abs/2203.04288
Avoiding the "Great Filter": A Projected Timeframe for Human Expansion Off-World
arxiv.org/abs/2108.01730
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:22 Bio
00:03:32 Should we be worried about messaging ET?
00:04:50 A Beacon in the Galaxy
00:12:33 the dark forest
00:22:56 Fermi paradox. Why is everyone silent?
00:24:02 Great filter being AI?
00:28:20 FAST and Allen Telescope Array
00:40:26 Technosignatures being transient
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@EventHorizonShow 2 жыл бұрын

Are we in the dark forest? Be one of the first to subscribe to a new channel JMG Clips+Live Streams of Event Horizon, to be fully announced soon. kzfaq.info/love/wwuMqY1SXZhTB5hIFFUmlg

@thermalrain_yt9725 2 жыл бұрын

I just started this so idk about the dark forest yet but what if we are in the dark universes. Opposite of us is a light filled universe and the stars in that place are dark and cast shadows where it's always light and hot. Like opposite of us stars cool off the planet enough for life to start. Theyd have dark speed and white holes and everything is the opposite. That's what dark Forrest made me think of just now

@chronon4130 2 жыл бұрын

The classic though of “hyper Tec” (meaning hyper space technology) should be considered over the romanticism of any random message in a bottle casted out into the cosmic sea in the form of a probe with too much information.

@simonklein4687 2 жыл бұрын

We might be. Perhaps the berserker probes don't go after mere biosignatures, perhaps they wait for a technosignature of a certain level to engage. After all, we only commit genocide against ants when they become a nuisance. Untill they do, we watch them, we study them, but we do not try to communicate with them.

@yoredeerleader 2 жыл бұрын

Listening to this, with its multiple speakers, and thinking of the years of long form interviews you have conducted, it makes me think you could create compilations of different interviews on an individual question you’ve asked multiple interviewees. I personally would find that interesting.

@jeschinstad 2 жыл бұрын

@Event Horizon: can you please ask your guests to use a wired connection to their router if possible, to reduce dropouts?

@rapomnam 2 жыл бұрын

I'm in the camp of people that think announcing ourselves could be risky. Much as Sagan said "Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known" my thought is "Somewhere, something terrifying is waiting to be known"

@theobserver9131 2 жыл бұрын

I fully agree. We have no idea what they might be like. It could be the worst choice we ever made. It could also be the best choice we ever made, but we won't know that unless we actually reach someone and they respond. I think it's reckless.

@Stroke2Handed 2 жыл бұрын

I think of the unnoticed colony of ants, thriving and multiplying for a couple years, until a couple of them are noticed in the kitchen. At the moment of discovery, the fate of the entire colony is sealed.

@nickreffner4574 2 жыл бұрын

@@theobserver9131 I agree. It’s almost like playing Russian Roulette for great riches on a telescope. Well, except we have no idea how many cylinders or bullets there is.

@rickzor2700 2 жыл бұрын

Do you believe we have been visited in the past 80 years?

@Snaaaked 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but what ab awesome way to die. Would you rather just live another boring 40 something years working 9-5 and dying with a bunch of useless medical ailment or get enslaved by extraterrestrial ai bots the breed you like farm animals and put Lazer dick shocking punishment and have you doing manual labor in a bio dome in Jupiter's moons

@tuomasronnberg5244 2 жыл бұрын

I think the simplest solution to Fermi paradox is that life is really rare, intelligent life is really really rare, and that technologically advanced intelligent life is really really really rare. We are simply the only space faring race in the observable universe, and while others might exist elsewhere in the universe they're spread so far apart that they just are beyond our capabilities of detecting them.

@pavel9652 2 күн бұрын

I wouldn't speculate about observable universe. At best you can speculate about our galaxy. It is up to 400 billions stars, but they are somewhat close and can be observed in reasonable detail unlike most of the galaxies.

@illustriouschin 2 жыл бұрын

If we send a message that presents us as a threat or contradiction to their dogma then spending the energy to stamp us out would be cheaper than waiting for us to get them first or letting the poisonous ideas spread.

@danielsmit11 2 жыл бұрын

I'd assume since it's unlikely they'd ever be able to translate one message sent in any earth language we'd be sending a message of prime numbers and mathematical equations.

@danielsmit11 2 жыл бұрын

But then after listening to the episode they stated their mathematics may not be based on 10's so.......so much for that idea lol

@HellCatt0770 2 жыл бұрын

@@danielsmit11 the hunter doesn’t need to understand the bear. Just the bears existence in the forest is a threat.

@danielsmit11 2 жыл бұрын

@@HellCatt0770 but the vast majority of mankind doesn't purposefully go out to the forests to annihilate the entire population of bears either and in this case you're talking about having to expend massive amounts of valuable energy to travel dozens to thousands of light-years to accomplish a task that isn't even affecting you

@trollking202 2 жыл бұрын

@adge610220 2 жыл бұрын

The great filter: Civilisations that broadcast their location don't survive. Stay quiet in the Dark Forest because it is full of predators.

@AndrewBlucher 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@channelbree 2 жыл бұрын

If some alien civ could throw rocks or lasers at Earth or even travel here and are within reasonable distance to do it they already know all about Earth.

@adge610220 2 жыл бұрын

@@channelbree Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if we are being observed and I'm sure most civilisations will be benign or neutral, I want to err on the side of caution.

@AndrewBlucher 2 жыл бұрын

@@channelbree I wonder how many "intelligent" species have been exterminated because they thought that way. We know that we don't know what 80% of the Universe is made of, so we clearly cannot know enough to bet our knowledge against extinction.

@Rcdvst808 2 жыл бұрын

If we can find the other stars which formed alongside the sun by some means then perhaps they would make good targets to direct a signal at. The logic being that some of our sun’s sisters may also have conditions suitable to support life, or even a mature and stable ecosystem like ours that has developed a technological civilisation?

@EventHorizonShow 2 жыл бұрын

Great points.

@rJaune 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, if the creation of life had to do with a certain mix of ingredients, our sibling stars could be the best place to look for life. Or, at least life like us.

@MrTD714 2 жыл бұрын

Question are we just looking in tge wrong part of space its massive beyond most comprehension and why do we focus more outside of our galaxy than our on shouldn't we try to cover and search closer that further away also if we are looking back in time how do we know these things are still there realistically if earth is preset time and everything we look at were looking back are we saying we are the only ones that are in the now

@nutyyyy 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly this is one of the big questions with life because you can have the Earth being uniquely favourable for life, or the solar system being uniquely favourable for life, or the sun and its siblings being uniquely set up for life. I also wonder whether anywhere in the depths of the galaxy a habitable world has been seeded with ancient earth microbes and if one day we detect a planet with a biosphere and don't ever realise that the life on that planet is actually related to earth life.

@MarmaLloyd 2 жыл бұрын

Growing up in the forest this was always my theory. The "Three body problem / Remembrance of Earth's Past" is a horrifying twist and one of my best reads on the topic

@kenmolloy1645 2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps the people in this podcast didn’t read the “Three Body Problem”, but it was explained that the masters of the Dark Forest are interested in eliminating possible competitors before they grow to be a threat.

@deusexaethera 2 жыл бұрын

The Three Body Problem is just propaganda for the Great Wall of China projected into the future. "Beware the unknown, because it is definitely malicious. Grrr." The "galactic war for diminishing resources" scenario is so implausible due to the slow speed of light that I don't seriously consider it as a legitimate risk. By the time you find out an adjacent galactic empire is doing something you might not appreciate, thousands of years will have passed, and thousands more will pass before you can respond. Galactic war is simply not a thing that will ever happen. Even across billions of years, response times of millennia are inconveniently slow for a necessarily fast-paced event such as a war. Wars will always remain localized events because of this.

@stab74 2 жыл бұрын

I really need to read that. But yeah, I'd rather not announce our presence to a species they may be similar to the Borg from Star Trek. 🤣

@indigoeyes777 2 жыл бұрын

Great book, not only does the book describe the dark forest, but Cixin Lui also provides an excellant analysis as to why this could be true, via Ye Wenjie's axioms of 'cosmic sociology'.

@nutyyyy 2 жыл бұрын

Well they've certainly been waiting quite a while to finish off the Earth then...

@anderslarsen4412 2 жыл бұрын

@@nutyyyy They'd have to know about us first, before they'd be able to eliminate us. That's the whole point.

@intevolver 2 жыл бұрын

Too much about the behavior of alien intelligence is extrapolated from ourselves. I think there is only a very small handful of constants that we can presume and even that's shaky ground; heat that can be controlled to discover metallurgy, maybe water as a biosolvent, access to the planetary surface to discover astronomy, etc. Beyond hypothesizing the basics, we can only guess. The simplest answer to the fermi paradox is time, distance, and rare goldilocks planets.

@gorbachevdhali4952 2 жыл бұрын

Fascinating conversation. One thing I will say, Stuart mentioned something like the klingon empire would be highly unlikely because they'd have killed themselves. I mean really, the answer to that is we just don't know. I'd like to believe a civilization that survives and is space faring would shed its violent way because that produces survivability, it could very well be likely, but we don't know. There could be civilizations who love themselves and peaceful among each other, but consider other races as an inferior afterthought. The point is, it's hubristic to make assumptions about the culture and behaviors of theoretical alien civilizations. There may be some merit in needing to be careful... even if the potential repercussions are thousands of years down the road.

@sulljoh1 2 жыл бұрын

It's arguable. If ever Klingon gets into an honorable duel to the death 1-2 times/year, the population isn't going to last long

@leewolf6434 2 жыл бұрын

I think the best message we could send would be, “You are not alone” Not only is it a great doctor who reference but it’d be a factual statement to anyone listening and is completely neutral in nature.

@Jump-n-smash 2 жыл бұрын

You’ve got mail.

@leewolf6434 2 жыл бұрын

@@Jump-n-smash you’re car insurance is due for renewal

@RyanSmith-on1hq 2 жыл бұрын

We should be sending warning messages and making it very clear that nothing should visit us. The man and woman should be holding weapons, wearing armour and we should be bluffing about our technological capabilities.

@nutyyyy 2 жыл бұрын

Right that will definitely stop a relativistic kill missile from just destroying the earth in an instance...

@SoApost 2 жыл бұрын

It’s disingenuous to declare the motive of destruction as ‘too human’ but not apply the same standard to the motive of curiosity. In fact, it’s impossible to think of a motive outside the human experience.

@blueredbrick 2 жыл бұрын

@Bronski Turboski the other way around is even worse

@TidalDisruptionEvent 2 жыл бұрын

Fascinating discussion! Hope you have these guests on again sometime. A+

@glorymanheretosleep 2 жыл бұрын

If we are in a dark forest, is it safe to say we already lost the war?

@Fluffy_production 2 жыл бұрын

No doubt, if we’re in the dark Forrest we’re FUBAR

@nutyyyy 2 жыл бұрын

Yes this is the biggest argument against just trying to hide. We are detectable and if any civilisation wanted potential threats wiped out they could have done it easily already. What earth does have is life. Which could well be the rarest resource in the universe.

@ravensrulzaviation 2 жыл бұрын

Always great to get new content from you John!!!!!!!!

@alanheadrick7997 2 жыл бұрын

I can never figure out why when sending out signals its always across the galaxy. The purpose it to see if someone answers. I wouldn't target anything farther than maybe 15 light years. Closer is easier, less power and people who send the signal should still be alive if there is a reply. The budget required to listen forever for a reply is crazy. Build new antennas, upgrades, human labor.

@alanheadrick7997 2 жыл бұрын

@@ronalddecker8498 Investigate and report whats found. The people can be warned along the way, so when a big surprises pops up, people won't care. I think politicians are once again the big problem.

@alanheadrick7997 2 жыл бұрын

@@ronalddecker8498 I think simple messages to keep bandwidth narrow and power high. The final message welcome to Earth approach with deflector shield on high!

@salkeld571 2 жыл бұрын

We have been inadvertently sending signals into space since Marconi first transmitted across the Atlantic on the 12 December 1901.Signals should be all over the Milky Way by now. Hope the aliens suss out the Morse Code?

@alanheadrick7997 2 жыл бұрын

@@salkeld571 Maybe 100 light years at best and those are very week signals non directional. Its easier to see us optically than radio detection, my guess. Which means anyone that can see the Earth probably knows someone is home. They just need JWST version 3 or 4.

@snikrepak 2 жыл бұрын

As someone who studies these specific scenarios, it is advisable to be observers, so far if there is life, they haven't shown to be hostile, as of yet, but inaction also can mean a bunch of other things too. Untill we reach warp tech, it would be best to keep to ourselves, if we can't find agreement in our petty issues like religion and politics, then then then decide for us.

@davidpitts3008 2 жыл бұрын

These people are clowns and less respectable than brain washed religious fanatics. At least some religious fanatics don’t force everyone else to go with the program that might kill us all. they have 0 proof this is safe. Especially unelected ones. Their worse than cult leaders encouraging mass suicide by forcing this on non believers of their childish and dangerous curiosity. Please, anyone prove me wrong.

@nutyyyy 2 жыл бұрын

Warp tech is never happening.

@steverafferty4114 2 жыл бұрын

Great line up today John, the content just keeps getting better

@thermalrain_yt9725 2 жыл бұрын

Man listening to the beginning of this made me have this really realistic feeling of being on a space ship traveling through the galaxy. I get that feeling every now and then and I love it. Like I feel like I can close my eyes and imagine looking out a window to the stars flying by and it feels amazing. It's so strong too. I feel a slight breeze and it makes it that much better. Maybe we are all flying to the next planet and we are in cryo having this amazing dream of our old lives on earth before the fall of society and we made it out. Lol crazy I know

@thermalrain_yt9725 2 жыл бұрын

@@joshrandar lol no way man these are awesome. I feel bad for people with little to no imagination.

@floridaman4073 2 жыл бұрын

We are on spaceship Earth.

@fisterB 2 жыл бұрын

You actually are on a big space ship traveling through the galaxy. The illusion is that we are stationary, a strong illusion, but very wrong.

@realzachfluke1 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, I can already sense that this'll be a great one. Thank you, everyone 😃

@EventHorizonShow 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Zachary! Live stream for members/patreon’s soon.

@realzachfluke1 2 жыл бұрын

@@EventHorizonShow I'm so bad about making live events, but I'll try to remind myself this time beforehand and we'll see how it goes (/◡ ‿ ◡)/ And my short, really simple follow-up after having listened to the full episode is...yeah, _I loved it._ *Just so much.* All of the guests were a treat to listen to, I loved all of the questions, and I enjoyed every moment of the show as a whole. So a _huge thank you_ again, to John and everyone else involved in the show & this episode, and I'll just leave it on this one last note. I am beyond grateful for everything that goes into this show, and I just want to make sure you know how much it's appreciated. 🪐🌌☺️🖖🌒🚀

@JohnMichaelGodier 2 жыл бұрын

@@realzachfluke1 Thanks Zach, this was a particularly fun one to conduct. I was more moderating a discussion than interviewing.

@stricknine6130 2 жыл бұрын

Great discussion I really enjoyed these guests. Thanks for the episode! 😁

@WrecklessEating 2 жыл бұрын

This was wonderful :)

@AwsAlSamarrie 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome discussion, thank you

@Ussnoss 2 жыл бұрын

excellent discussion

@NonBinary_Star 2 жыл бұрын

EXCELLENT! episode! thank you!

@reallyryan_ 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic episode! Keep em coming!

@tlamore 2 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed that one.. Panel was smart and funny..

@LAMPROS311 2 жыл бұрын

I would like to add that I am very happy for the quality of the applications that you promote.

@EventHorizonShow 2 жыл бұрын

Great to hear!

@LAMPROS311 2 жыл бұрын

@@EventHorizonShow I mean, applications for self teaching are great but promoting an application for mental health professional services is beyond expectations.

@Vix2066 2 жыл бұрын

I think the great filter is us too. We're living through the start of it now

@kukublof5057 2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure it's a great filter at all, because if we are aware of it, and predict its impact, then it takes a lot off its greatness. we have a good chance to cope with it, and even if we don't then other civilizations either should have copped with it as well, or avoided it altogether.

@cdurkinz 2 жыл бұрын

Oooh this one sounds fun!

@richb2229 2 жыл бұрын

Our sphere of influence is very small. We overestimate our ability to detect a civilization more than 100 light years away.

@henrymach 2 жыл бұрын

The TV signal is too complex (it's one of the most complex analog signals) and would probably degrade too much to be successfully decoded given those distances. AM Radio, on the other hand is really simple and easy

@Freddie_Dunning-Kruger_Jr. 2 жыл бұрын

So what your saying is "Mr Gorbachev tear down this wall" is a bunch of gobbledygook but there are aliens with 35 years of Rush Limbaugh cassettes like Grateful Dead shows?

@garyr3179 2 жыл бұрын

What a medley of guests! What an engaging discussion!!! Having a beacon in space can be a flip of a coin: things can go amazingly (Ala Star Trek) or terribly where an aggressive race may wish to eradicate us.

@dominicseanmccann6300 2 жыл бұрын

By the time the 'dark forest' realises we are here; we'll be long gone by our own hands.

@effingright3045 2 жыл бұрын

I'm starting to think that the Great Filter is social media.

@joebahneman9098 9 ай бұрын

wise AND witty

@radu808 2 жыл бұрын

love your work so much.

@MCsCreations 2 жыл бұрын

Really fantastic conversation, JMG and guests! 😃 About "how would aliens think", we need to remember that, to get to intelligence and technology, they also need to go through evolution, as we did. So, to find an isolated group in our own planet would give us enough information about that. And we already found some. Anyway, stay safe there with your families! 🖖😊

@MCsCreations 2 жыл бұрын

@@ronalddecker8498 Exactly! There's a really interesting history about an American evangelist who came to Brazil to try to convert indigenous people... But he ended up returning to the US as an atheist. Because this people, the Pirahã, had absolute no concept of god and they only believe in what they can see and so on. And there are many more histories like this all around the globe... Pretty fascinating!

@theobserver9131 2 жыл бұрын

Personally, I think it's a crime to be sending messages out to extraterrestrials. We have no idea what they may be like. And the results could affect everyone. So everyone should in on the decision whether or not to do it.

@tuomasronnberg5244 2 жыл бұрын

We've been broadcasting our presence for over a century by now.

@theobserver9131 2 жыл бұрын

@@tuomasronnberg5244 with a very weak signal that dissipates to the point of being noise before it goes far. These people are talking about sending powerful concentrated signals that would reach much much further, and aiming those signals at likely homes for extra terrestrials.

@theobserver9131 2 жыл бұрын

@@tuomasronnberg5244 I know we are already detectable to any one close enough and looking. But we really don't need to be cranking up the volume and waving our arms in the air so to speak.

@himynameis3664 Жыл бұрын

@@theobserver9131 yeah there was a graph I seen somewhere that showed roughly how far our broadcast signals have travelled, and it's such a tiny distance on the galactic scale as to be negligible

@shelby3822 2 жыл бұрын

Aliens response: PLEASE HELP TOO MANY SPACE SHARKS

@bravadita 2 жыл бұрын

I read their publication recently and never thought I'd hear their voices! Thanks for this John! This is by far my favorite episode to date. I'd like to know where I can follow these scientists for any future updates they may have I do think what isn't being considered here is how hearing about another alien civilization might lead to self-destruction though. I can't really unsee that possibility after reading Liu Cixin's Three Body Problem

@amangogna68 2 жыл бұрын

Great video and information !

@TheWeatherbuff 2 жыл бұрын

Great episode, JMG! "Monty Burns" (Steve) is a new Patreon on your main channel! For all we know, aliens are watching us on "EarthTube". We've gotta be great entertainment for them.

@JohnMichaelGodier 2 жыл бұрын

I love it. "Earthtube", I gotta make a joke out of that in an outro.

@lancecargopants1897 2 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry, but these idiots have to be stopped, no matter what. Imagine the arrogance to decide, for all of us, that humanity's existence should be put on the line.

@robbabcock_ 2 жыл бұрын

Great stuff!

@dranlan8093 2 жыл бұрын

I think there is a big flaw in the Fermi paradox! It assumes that an advanced civilization would need to colonize a galaxy! But if u take us for example, i don’t believe we would ever need to colonize our galaxy! With anti aging, transhumanism, etc, we would have enough space on just a few planets

@EventHorizonShow 2 жыл бұрын

Fermis original question did not state a need for colonization. Rather, exploration by probes.

@dranlan8093 2 жыл бұрын

@@EventHorizonShow such a fascinating topic! I personally love the silurian hypothesis! I don’t believe u did a video on this! But i strongly think its possible a far older, much more advanced civilization might still me here on some form

@dranlan8093 2 жыл бұрын

*be

@gorbachevdhali4952 2 жыл бұрын

@@EventHorizonShow People often forget this, and it's really hard to say the galaxy isn't littered with probes from alien civs (relatively speaking). We just don't know and may not for a very long time if that is the case.

@eminence_ 2 жыл бұрын

An idea. Record the audio "offline" on their computers and ask them to send that audio file after the zoom call. Even better, send them 25 dollar condenser mics for MUCH better audio quality, like the Tonor. The content is always high quality though :)

@dr4d1s 2 жыл бұрын

I have recommended doing the local recording thing before. He said he would. It's good to see he took my recommendation seriously.

@EventHorizonShow 2 жыл бұрын

@@dr4d1s We do local recording when it's possible. Have to remember we are ASKING for these scientists to spend time even coming on the show, and not everyone is familiar with audio recording. In the future will be sending mics to guests that are repeatedly on the show and may need one.

@dr4d1s 2 жыл бұрын

@@EventHorizonShow I get what you are saying but computers literally have a built in audio record function as do phones. If they can figure out how to get their microphones working, it's literally clicking a record button. Just tell them, "we have had issues in the past with data being lost. Could you please record on your end?" Scientists will understand data being lost.

@eminence_ 2 жыл бұрын

That's great to hear. There are some computer users that struggle with pretty much everything that is outside of their daily use. Now that I think of it, it'd probably be 30 min extra hassle and frustration. And they have tight schedules. Understandable.

@dr4d1s 2 жыл бұрын

@@eminence_ Windows Key, Voice, Enter, click the big record button. Done.

@ibpositivemostly7437 2 жыл бұрын

Cool video thanks.

@RedDawn370 2 жыл бұрын

Bad idea! We want to find them and decide if 1st contact is advisable. The other way around results in our extinction.

@indigoeyes777 2 жыл бұрын

I believe that our current methods of finding life will most likely only succeed in finding less scientifically developed life forms, because life that is more developed will likely have already found us, and either hidden thier presence, or introduced themselves.

@zax2153 2 жыл бұрын

Not related to this topic but I would like to thank you that I could discover new great author Andy Weir thanks to your show. I watch every episode btw, really great and interesting content.

@dirtyd33ds6 2 жыл бұрын

It is very often the people with knowledge about astronomy and it's implications who have the mindset of a grown-up humanity. The mindset which will prove critical for our species to survive. Listening to their thoughts is all the more inspiring in these times. Gratitude John!

@b.griffin317 2 жыл бұрын

Seems to me an important question that has to answered before ever even considering sending a message is this: How powerful must a signal be before it becomes indistinguishable from the background of the universe? Can we even send such a powerful signal? What X sized receiver antenna must the the recipient have to pick up a signal of Y strength at Z distance?

@theobserver9131 2 жыл бұрын

No matter what, the human race has finite life span. If we survive 1000s of years, we will have evolved into something post human. Most likely, partially or fully machine based.

@uktenatsila9168 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome!

@Timfamy 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic vid

@ugiswrong 2 жыл бұрын

„...in a sense.“ Legend

@TheSkeptic000 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing

@prideslayer77 2 жыл бұрын

you're awesome bro. you inspired me to start my own series AAA Architects Angels Aliens. really appreciate guys like you making it happen.

@gaming_henry 2 жыл бұрын

Is the answer to the Fermi paradox simply that light just isn’t that great for galactic scale communication, soon lost in the background noise. To be heard requires such powerful, long term signal that building it is too expensive to be viable.

@indigoeyes777 2 жыл бұрын

Is observing entropy by breaking things, (ala the large hadron collider) always going to be the best way of learning things to develop the axioms that move our scientific progress forward?

@eddiebrown192 2 жыл бұрын

Now these people have moved into woke virtue signalling . Unbelievable self righteousness …. And they will gamble with all of humanity .

@sunnyvalentino 2 жыл бұрын

Sad Event Horizon promoting woke anti Trump agenda

@MS-ii1sv 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe the great filter is recklessly sending out messages to aliens.

@joebahneman9098 9 ай бұрын

tenable.

@captain_context9991 2 жыл бұрын

There is no "Great filter" so that should make the whole thing a lot easier. We really dont need a "Fermi paradox" either. This "great silence" is just that... Silence. Thinking life is rare. Thinking life that runs its own space program, almost infinitely rare.

@EventHorizonShow 2 жыл бұрын

Really enjoy comments like yours where someone has all the answers. Can you tell us more? Looking forward to knowing the secrets of the universe from Captain Context.

@captain_context9991 2 жыл бұрын

@@EventHorizonShow Thats the thing. I cant really elaborate on it. As long as we have a sample size of 1. Any Fermi paradox or great filter we imagine, would be based on so many assumptions on top of asumptions that it would be guaranteed to be wrong. Whats wrong with life simply being rare. I mean... I think the microscopic chemical processes that happens inside cells... Is probably as universal as the formation of stars and planets. Would be weird if all that happens just here... But even on this planet where every cubic inch of dirt, water, and air, contain some organic matter. Even here, life that runs its own space program is ultra rare. And if we were an intelligent species of dolfins, if we lived in a planet with 3 times the gravity, if we didnt have an ecosystem that gives us oil, if we had a raging, turbulent amosphere 3 miles thick that prevens any kind of fligh. If our air was too thin to fly in... There are WAY more reasons not to colonise space than reasons for doing it. What if you are an intelligent tiger-like species that grew smart as a way to putsmart your prey. Your highest aspiration in life is 5 square miles of huntingground. Why would such a species want to go to space. Or even build a camp fire.

@AndrewBlucher 2 жыл бұрын

@@captain_context9991 So ... you don't actually have a context?

@GiffyPooh 2 жыл бұрын

Boom goes the dynamite

@justinwalker7894 2 жыл бұрын

You don't really know what you're saying captain

@richarddeese1991 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. One problem is that, while a single human can imagine long-term plans, it's very difficult to get lots of humans to think about the same plan all at once. We are a product of evolution, and long-term planning is not something evolution really does. This is one area where we need to evolve beyond our current selves. tavi.

@joebahneman9098 9 ай бұрын

I do not think that word means what you think it means

@richarddeese1991 9 ай бұрын

@@joebahneman9098 Fair enough. Biological evolution is one thing; humans evolving socially is another. But I do think that humans will have to do both before things truly change for the better. In this case, I feel one leads to the other. tavi.

@greggary7217 2 жыл бұрын

The things people find to focus on never ceases to amaze me. It’s astonishing, really but ok - if said message is going to be received by anyone that can possibly matter to us, it is more likely to be an alien space traveller than a planet bound species. The implications are obvious. Ergo I’m with Hawking. I mean it’s lovely to be positive and forward looking but the down side to being wrong is gargantuan. That said, I’m also with Dr. Jiang - it most likely that we are not smart enough to survive long enough for any of this to matter. So I find myself back at the beginning - it’s incredible the things people find to focus on.

@ericb2017 2 жыл бұрын

Dr. Jonathan Jiang said a lot of interesting things.. great stuff once again Monsieur Godier

@jeromeogivenz954 2 жыл бұрын

That’s ironic that you say people fall asleep listening to the shop because that’s what I’m doing right now I do it all the time

@Fungusfilms 2 жыл бұрын

I can imagine the alien excitement as they discover the images of us. Two long antenna with ten knobs on top , below that a trunk with branches from the base to obviously gather sunlight. But strangely only one rather dodgy looking wheel on the bottom.

@KillRhythm 2 жыл бұрын

12:37 skip to the advertised subject matter

@TheNguyenGiap 2 жыл бұрын

To have "laws of physics" would make sense if they covered 96% of the known universe. But we only discovered around 4% so we have a lot more to learn before we can set the laws in stone

@chriskelly6574 2 жыл бұрын

I expect that the great filter will come and pass in much the same way you may pass the event horizon of a black hole long before you know there is any kind of threshold to avoid, let alone an existential one.

@laurencemoore8519 2 жыл бұрын

The most important message we can broadcast? "We dont taste very nice, will give you a lot of gas and are difficult to cook."

@auguststavbro 2 жыл бұрын

Frustrating reading all of these comments talking about sending these messages being “too risky” because we don’t know what to expect. Putting aside that Earth has been a biosignature beacon for billions of years, should we also have not developed spacecraft at all for fear of what we may eventually find? Should our ancestors have not built ships or migrated throughout the continents or even left the safety of the trees for the ground because it was less risky? We’re human, we have to take the risk

@kenneth6847 5 ай бұрын

We live too far apart to threaten one another

@kalebsuperman3202 2 жыл бұрын

epic intro

@LAMPROS311 2 жыл бұрын

The more, the merrier!

@aroemaliuged4776 2 жыл бұрын

At 8 min even Eastern philosophically are going a bit wokish

@MattPSU02 2 жыл бұрын

John, could you possibly invite people like Martin Kornmesser, who make the illustrations and graphics that you have in your B roll? I think it would be an interesting show.

@EventHorizonShow 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, we’ve thought of that. Might be a bonus show or released on the new channel.

@WTFoolproof 2 жыл бұрын

When thinking about this subject I usually am taken to thinking about the bio-luminescent animals found in our oceans who make light when they are stressed. They make the glowing waves seen in some surf conditions. It is thought that they do this when being preyed on to attract other predators who may hunt the predators that are hunting the bio-luminescent creatures.

@trumpingtonfanhurst694 2 жыл бұрын

"A positive passion for the future" is not a valid reason for this. I'm with Hawking; shouting your presence to the unknown is foolhardy at best - with all of us potentially at stake. Who would contemplate this but those who care about naught but self-aggrandizement and faux immortality by having their names on it? Go Away.

@eddiebrown192 2 жыл бұрын

This group come across as very arrogant elitists talking down to the great unwashed masses .

@bucko9423 2 жыл бұрын

Also with what authority do they reach out into space on the behalf of all mankind? I think you hit the mark with the "self aggrandizement" analysis

@dominicseanmccann6300 2 жыл бұрын

Hope 'they' gotta record player! "Carl who?"......

@himynameis3664 Жыл бұрын

Definitely..in the distant future every living organism in the world could be cursing these narcissist's names for bringing absolute extinction to the entire planet

@stooartbabay 2 жыл бұрын

Was really looking forward to listening to this but the audio is horrible… please please check the audio before you start recording?? Love you guys, amazing work … thanks :)

@MNewton 2 жыл бұрын

I think it doesn't actually matter for a number of reasons. If we think about life as having the potential to eventually produce a civilization that may cause undesirable competition for our hypothetical dangerous super civilization then the potential of Earth to create such a civilization should have been known to anyone close enough to matter for hundreds of millions of years. Since life eventually lead to a technological civilization here we can pretty safely say that either there is no monstrous civilization out there or if there is they don't see potential emerging civilizations as a threat. The point being that any entity with the power to effect us almost certainly knows we are here already. As for the message, it could only be a surprise to civilizations that are around our own level and in that case they can't suddenly show up since we can't even regularly visit our own satellite body. As for civilizations that want to wipe out all other life, it would be far easier to to just engineer the galaxy in such a way that life just doesn't evolve in the first place. You have all the resources in the the galaxy to do it, the question is what is the advantage of waiting for sentience and then stamping it out as it comes up. It's a lot easier to rid yourself of termites by spraying around the building so that the don't arrive in the first place than it is to wait until they have eaten up part of your house to decide that you should do something about it.

@deephish 2 жыл бұрын

too many assumptions you no nothing about life outside earth, dont bet our safety on guesses, oh they must be like this or that, you dont know and possible couldnt even understand.

@Hykje 2 жыл бұрын

I read a science fiction story where a big alien warship shows up on course towards Earth -at the end of the story they find out why it's on its way to Earth -the aliens have misunderstood the message on the Pioneer probes as a cry for help and have sent the warship to save us from a nonexisting enemy.

@automatoncollectives7237 2 жыл бұрын

Realistically, how long will it take this “message” to even reach anything remotely close? The whole process will takes such a long time, that I doubt we are even still hear to receive a reply.

@cernunnos_lives 2 жыл бұрын

I'm good either way as long as Earth life spreads. I want our lifeforms across our Sol system. Every conceivable microbe from our world needs to spread and change. We owe it to every ancestor we have to make new homes and new ways of living. I want all of us to survive & succeed and am willing to work hard for it.

@Greenhead24 2 жыл бұрын

That big e.t in the fog i took a screen shot and gonna use it somewhere maybe twitter bio pic

@plato363 2 жыл бұрын

Never thought the science of communicating with potential aliens across the vast emptiness of space/time could be turned towards how awful we are in destroying the planet. Good to know

@plato363 2 жыл бұрын

Sad that science has turned from progress, knowledge, and the improvement of humanity to this fatalist, humanity is evil, and apocalypse porn

@floridaman4073 2 жыл бұрын

@Bronski Turboski , considering that any life form on a planet is going to be the Apex Predator.

@nutyyyy 2 жыл бұрын

@Bronski Turboski It's a basic trait of life and it's difficult difficult conceive any sort of alien intelligence not engaging in conflict of some kind. Furthermore we also assume that such a civilisation is inherently unified or has a singular mindset, culture, political structure etc.

@himynameis3664 Жыл бұрын

@Imperator Caesar Traianus Hadrianus Augustus especially when there has been war observed between different tribes of chimps. And if a species is able to advance technologically it is fair to presume they were apex predators at some point as it would be nearly impossible for that level of creativity without being top of the food chain

@joebahneman9098 9 ай бұрын

They've convinced you Earth is a smoking ruin, have they? Bah! If we, ourselves, were in half as good shape as Old Earth, maybe we wouldn't be mutilating our children. Earth, herself, is pretty and spry.

@mikehipps1015 2 жыл бұрын

3%?! Maybe for 80+ year old folks. Certainly not overall. That's absurd.

@sbssmachine1 2 жыл бұрын

Dangerous mix of naivety and hubris here.

@sbssmachine1 2 жыл бұрын

@@ronalddecker8498 there’s the hubris. We’re barely out of the trees but you say with certainty we’ve got it all figured out to the point it’s impossible for that signal to be detected. You’re so sure there’s nothing more to learn that you’ll gamble the whole planet on it? Seems like a naive and arrogant assumption to make just to start a conversation about self reflection. Bear in mind as well that it’s pointless - people open to the idea are already reflective, unfortunately the decisions are made by selfish people who are not. The course of history right now is being decided by Vladimir Putin and his ilk. I doubt he’s going to be pondering his navel long because these people fired a cheery wave into space.

@MarmaLloyd 2 жыл бұрын

What worries me is when you extrapolate to not just a forest but whole biomes. we may be tolerated here but if we make noise it may be our own that take us down

@j.wildoutdoors8483 2 жыл бұрын

Less bliding white pages please. Ouch! Lol wasn't expecting that. Thanks for the new video ❤

@jamesmackenzie4107 2 жыл бұрын

How do you know if the one you contact is going to be friendly or not

@ForeverMasterless Жыл бұрын

To me it makes sense that traveling between stars is just so resource and time intensive that no biological organism ever pulls it off, even if theoretically they have the tech to do it. That doesn't explain why they wouldn't send out tons of self replicating probes, though.

@channelbree 2 жыл бұрын

Seems to me there is a great gap between this viewpoint and the current albeit alleged claims on UAP/EBE’s.

@tatersquad2000 2 жыл бұрын

I had trouble understanding some of the dialog, I must be getting old but I'm trying

@EventHorizonShow 2 жыл бұрын

you can turn on subtitles

@lov3977 2 жыл бұрын

Both the terms "time" and "budget" are human constructs and also our greatest "great filter". A truly enlightened intelligence would have moved past the ideaology of economics, which is nothing but the selfish goal of enriching ones self over the species as a whole. They would simply decide if something is achievable and just do it for the benefit of their species currently experiencing the moment of existance.

@joebahneman9098 9 ай бұрын

wrong on all counts.

@lov3977 9 ай бұрын

@@joebahneman9098 ok, well constructed arguement. 🤷

@thedave1771 2 жыл бұрын

Would they want to talk? Sure. Maybe we are ants, okay, so some ants said “hey, how’s it hanging?” who thinks we’d simply never answer? This especially applies if we are the only other civilization they’ve encountered that is capable of communicating. If not, then they aren’t the only one either, what are the odds that no member of any civilization would be interested in a chat?

@halilzelenka5813 2 жыл бұрын

The great filter we have to overcome is the contradiction between particular interests and universal needs

@davew8360 2 жыл бұрын

Why dont you just mimick a pulsar, when they go to look they realise it's an odd signal, you know (because there isn't one). everyone can understand that, right?

@MoneyMotivation360 2 жыл бұрын

Instead of waiting thousands of years I’ve got a better idea, send our fighter pilots who said “we see these UAP’s on a daily basis” with a message using Morse code to communicate.