👌now can we all please agree to stop feeding Zack’s algorithm by engaging.

I also train dogs and educate people. I am a balanced/common sense trainer. I adjust my techniques in a case-by-case basis because one size does not fit all people or dogs. Thank you for being straight up and honest.

I love that you have zero cuts in your video. Straightforward, not made to get views, just pure logic. No BS. Anyone who knows anything about training dogs knows Zak is full of sh*t

Brutally amazing response! Zak is a product of the pet industry where dogs are in second or third plan, not someone to take into account when discussing dog training future and well being of dogs in general. My complete respect to you Mr Ivan, thanks

I was reluctant to become a certified dog trainer because of this exact issue. My mentor taught me that all dogs are different and learn differently. Not one size fits all. I have had long time friends suddently shun me because I do not hold the same training philosophy as them. I am grateful to Ivan for speaking up and having a ripple effect on this industry.

Hello, Ivan. I was having a conversation about why this person won't have a live conversation with you or anyone else and you summed it up pretty nicely. He is afraid of being exposed. I love your work and enjoy your content very much. Keep up the great work 👍👍👍

Again, thanks for the hard work, Ivan. I know Zack "posted and ghosted" in your last video, but I was really hoping (and still do hope) that he'll have a conversation. Don't stop pushing for the betterment of human and dog relationships, Ivan! We'll be doing the same! And to quote Michael Ellis: "Education, education, education!" 👏

I LOVE that you did this in front of your book shelf of the countless books you've read on dog training (not to mention the academics, dog trainers and subject matter experts you've had thousand of hours of discussions with about dog behavior and dog training). Zak loves to regurgitate all these scientific studies but what he doesn't realize is how sophisticated your scientific background is on the topic (not to mention your practical handling of dogs), almost to the level of genius. If he did watch any of your podcast he'd know that...and how to pronounce your last name.

Thank you Ivan for this video. Zak is really pushing hard to bring down balanced trainers and the tools and I can’t imagine how I can manage my reactive gsd if it wasn’t for the tools and skills I have now. Please continue help raise our voice and educate the public❤

Zak stopped being a trainer and became a KZfaq influencer long ago. I don't begrudge anyone making a living but fairytale message he pushes does more harm than good. Thank you for calling him out.

Not my dog account to protect my name from being shared. But this is what I know. Zak doesn’t save lives with his dogs. And likely Zak hasn’t trained anywhere near the numbers Ivan has. It takes 1000’s of dogs touched to be able to have the knowledge Ivan does. Quite frankly Ivan has changed my career by teaching the likes of Michael Ellis and others who passed knowledge to me. I am without a doubt Saving Lives. Human Lives with The Knowledge that Ivan has passed onto his friends and clients!

Love how direct your response was. Very refreshing 👍🏻

When a so called dog trainer is earning more on social media channels and product endorsements rather than training dogs says a lot bout how rubbish his methods are.

50 years of Dog training here. I’m SO GRATEFUL for you,Ivan.

Hey Ivan, want you to know that I really appreciate you putting forth the effort to deal with clowns. Your content is always very solidly backed by science. Which is what I am into as much as possible. Thanks for all your help with making dog owners/trainers understand the deeper foundation of what they should educate themselves about. I really hope you have the time and energy to continue!

Thank god there was no Bark Box promo in this video. When someone sells out to corporate interests then they have pressure to maintain a public image and not rock the boat. Much respect Ivan. 👏🏼💯

I'm just here to read all the book titles in the background!

Well said Ivan! Zak’s responses and behavior would be comical if it were not so damaging

A true dog man right there. Thanks so much for all you do. For fighting the good fight for our dogs and us dog owners. So grateful.

Ivan is seriously on a whole different level. Zack is Barney compared to this man. No offense to Zack he has done incredible things teaching the average dog owner however Ivan has both amazing on field and book knowledge. Thank you Ivan.

Thank you for all you do for us and for dogs, Ivan. You are a true source of knowledge for us who truly want the best for our dogs. You have my utmost respect.

Zak's "data" had inclusion of data, for example, from study of punishments on lambs, punishments inescapable by behavior changes, to show how "learned helplessness" can be achieved in farm animals. Also the bad effects of hanging a German Shepherd by the neck until dead. Zak doesn't have a clue about science, he's moronic to talk about "The Science"; there is no "The Science" - there is only "science". His representation of that stuff he listed as "The Science" is a baseless claim to puff himself up, but he looks like a jackass for using stuff that isn't even suitable for what he he claims it supports. HE OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T EVEN READ what he claims as supporting scientific evidence because after I challenged him repeatedly on livestream on this subjects of it being NOT EVIDENCE FOR HIS CLAIMS , he gave up on that angle and switched to professing that "Learning Theory" supported his nonsense. He provided no evidence from Learning Theory to support his claims, either. He just said "Learning Theory", over and over.

Dogs and trainers everywhere want true balance and structure - just like what Ivan brings to the table. Such a great response

Being "KZfaq famous" for dog videos doesn't make you a dog trainer any more than going to McDonald's makes you a hamburger

Well handled Ivan! Appreciate you taking the time to respond. He has a lot of followers who are being mislead. When I first got my puppy I was one of them😢 but that was a while ago. Thank you for information presented clearly.

Outside of science, results speak volumes.

Thanks for the video Ivan. I'm looking forward to the future podcasts. I have learned so much from them and always find them fascinating. Keep doing what you do.

I am so blessed to have started my journey of training dogs for sport with you so many years ago. From the beginning, the one outstanding feature of your training and presentation has been your core passion for The Dog. Not theory. Not publicity. Not adoration or controversy. The essence of The Dog. Thank you for your steadfast dedication to the coie of why we do this,.

Stand tall tall Ivan! You might be the best representative, or one of them, to speak for common sense balanced dog training. Opposing views that I've heard haven't had much weight or substance...

Zak can’t have a two way discussion with anyone knowledgeable in training because it would be so easy to counter his arguments with the studies he posts about. If he can not comprehend that Correlation is not Cause (as his own studies state) then he does not understand “The Svience”

The answer Ivan gave was concise and to the point and I am glad he is bringing awareness to this topic. I look forward to his debates in the future or getting the scientific community to do deeper dive and answer deep questions about the facts. Transparent studies would be more helpful next time in the future

Thank you for your POV... Very revealing. People should hear this.

Zaks own dog isn’t trained to behave. She still is reactive, and he has to always have treats. I don’t get why he calls him self a dog trainer when he can’t get his own dog to fully listen.

The biggest Thank You to Ivan. You tried, but you can not fix stupid!

zack is awesome at teaching a dog how to catch a frisbee, that's about it.

I don't have anything against Zak or his training methods. If can get people out training their dogs to be well behaved. Great! 👍 I have issues with the ASVAB published study. That Zak quotes as gospel. It's ambiguous and flawed at best. The term "adverse" is never defined, as to how it is used in the study. Is it tools being used, if so how are they being used? What are the dog age? How long did the study last? What is the genetic temperament of the dogs, was it taken in to consideration? Were the dogs kept in a crate, and only let out for potty and training? Did the dogs that received the "adverse" only training have any positive fun interactions with the humans? Way too many variables not discussed. I am not able to form an educated opinion. I will stick to balanced training . Thank you Ivan, for taking the time to truly educate and help us.

Love the background, it speak for itself. 🤓 As we see on his podcast, despite his deep knowledge, Ivan really wants to learn more and be challenged with ideas. He doesn't care if they came from one side or the other, he only care if it works and allow the relashionship bettew man and dog to grow. For me as spectator, and first time dog owner, trying to learn the most to do the best I can for my dog, I'm really sorry that the possitive only side does not enter in a trully debate and exchange of ideas so we can all grow.

He lost already, when young generation don’t have respect for a lot of experience like Ivan has it’s just too much egocentric personality. I want to start to ask this little boy if he read only five books that Ivan has behind him to see if he qualified to talk about dogs.

Using positive methods is a great way to work with pets who don’t have serious problems. If you don’t mind waiting for the possible results, and if you’re okay with not being able to achieve bomb proof commands. The majority of my training with my Rottweiler is positive, but he has to know he has boundaries and that I will follow through every time. People have to stop treating dogs like they are children made of glass. They become confident when they have clear expectations, and have a handler they can trust who will make the important decisions.

Now there's a REAL MAN ! NO diahrrea of the mouth, sitting behind a computer, like others we've seen ! ❤

I tried training my American bully to zaks methods , got me through my dogs prepubescent stage. Once his nuts dropped I struggled for a week till I found guys that actually know what they are talking about and aren’t against discipline (I’m not talking about hitting the puppet obviously) ever since I can’t look at Zak the same way (considering the fact that 2 years deep he couldn’t control inertia or that he gave up on his Pit because he couldn’t teach it a single thing)

Finally! Someone and Robert to talk about the truth

Thanks Ivan for showing people the lunacy of the force free movement. Zac can't let his border collie off leash when there is distractions and competing motivators, he has been training it over three years its such a shame their dogs miss out on so much fun and freedom.

Out of all the trainers I have ever learned from, no one comes close to Ivan’s mastery, and his sincere dedicated respect and love for dogs.

I am a but late, but I want to thank you, Ivan, for your work and for making things a bit easier to understand, but no less accurate!

Well... You can add this short video to the list of reasons why I admire and respect you !

Hey Ivan, as much as I enjoy a bit of conflict and I would have loved to see you go head to head with ZG I see that would have been counter productive to the dog community at large. This is probably the best way to respond. My respect for you has only grown and I look forward to you being a leader in the dog community.

When i keep a very open mind, i support all dog trainers who intend to do the right thing. Social media can does blow things out of proportion. I see value in all dog training methods and also feel some methods work better for certain breeds and certain situations. The new Insta generation often wants quick fixes and who may 'want to support' feel good methods. Many people browse social media for fluffy happy stories to get their daily 'awwww' fix! I do too when i am SO stressed! The social media while spreading a lot of information has also caused a lot of divide! And at some point, one needs to just work with dogs/owners and take great satisfaction as it's not an easy job by any means!!!

Find it hilarious he mentioned ChatGPT won’t help Zak.

What a fabulous way to explain to Zak that he truly is the twat waffle we've seen him to be for years. Facts vs Bluster. Thanks, Ivan. I look forward to seeing the upcoming conversations.

Outstanding 👏🏽 Dogs need educated leaders willing to do whatever it is to help the dog. Dogs don’t need sell outs and weak minded, ignorant individuals.

I appreciate how you expose his cowardice regarding his refusal to engage in an intellectual conversation man to man and trainer to trainer. Unfortunately it seems he doesn’t know how to be either. Tell it like it is👏👏👏

There's facts; there's opinions; and there's opinions masquerading as fact. In my job (not a dog trainer), I frequently have to challenge the opinions of others that are expressed (emphatically) as facts. I have found that two questions work quite well in evaluating the conflicts over ideas about "stuff": Is it credible?; AND Is it defensible? There are many "credible" arguments that cannot be defended based on fact. Conversely, there are also "factual" arguments that don't exist within a context makes any sense (or a robust working model) to make them credible. In tandem, they work quite well--and if we employ them both it can inform our own thinking. You did a very nice job in your rebuttal!

You're the man Ivan! I loved your presentation and really appreciated your thorough research into the topics, and your clear delivery of the arguments from both sides.

I have so much respect for you Ivan, you really show your class and experience in all your content. This was a perfect response and really highlights the difference in quality between a KZfaq highly edited pet trainer, vs a international award winning dog trainer who’s priority is helping dogs and not getting KZfaq likes. Well done!

Shots fired 😂 He really should've just taken the invitation to debate on a podcast if he really wanted to share his views so badly, but he won't because as you said, he doesn't like his views challenged, and all he wants to do is promote himself and plug his agenda, not have an open and honest conversation. Its a shame because I've been listening to a lot of your podcasts recently working my way up from the earliest ones and they are not only good but you get some very great and credible speakers on your channel, people who're heavily in the science side of animals and neuroscience and things with actual backbone to them, not just Joe Down The Street Who Thinks He Can Train Dogs, and a lot of the people you have on don't even completely agree with you on some things but you still manage to always have an insightful and respectful conversation regardless of different ideas and learn from each other. I think what you're doing with your podcasts is great and exactly what the dog training industry needs, not whatever this stupid divisive publicity stunt Zak is stirring up is. Keep doing what you're doing! I've been seeing your subscriber count go up every time I click on a new podcast to listen to so your message is getting where it needs to go 👌

Zak George's audience mostly consists of teenyboppers who just got new puppies. In the real world, *maybe* he might be sufficient for teaching puppy classes at PetSmart. I watched an interview where he couldn't even explain what basic operant conditioning is. So, he will never do a live and continue to confuse young minds in the virtual world. Thank you for demonstrating that these propaganda slingers are in no way qualified to be involved in making important decisions in the professional dog training industry or even capable of having a fact-based conversation. Much respect to Ivan.

balanced training is the only way.

Oh my word 😳 if he didn’t understand the presentation, THAT should do the trick! Well done Ivan 👏

Good on you Ivan

Yo! Solid!! So glad I got your channel on my youtube feed. Love your sound logic.

I spent two years doing Zaks method It does NOT work for a giant massive working dog!

you're the best... bravo to you & what you're doing... keep making a difference! Thank you, Ivan!!

I was wondering what presentation you were referring to in this video? I just discovered your channel and your podcast. I love that you're having conversations with people on both "sides" in the dog world. I hate the extreme polarisation lately. Many people have lost the ability to respectfully disagree today and it's tiring and damaging.

Can somebody show me the video lecture that he is referring to?

When a man says to another man, professional to professional let's have a live chat, on all these topics unprepared and someone from the other party declines. The question has already been answered.

Thank you very much, Ivan, for your voice and sharing this clip 🙏 God Bless you 🙏🐕

Hahaha!! Great response!!! You told him!!! ( Intelligent and professionally said, of course. With real class, and I'm sincere with my response) you've just earned my respect and I subbed, good Sir!

I put your share link under one of Zak's videos as all he seems to be interested in is selling Bark box etc. You are right also to say he plays the algorithm . Your presentation was excellent.

So apparently, you're not the only one that Zak goes after, he goes after other dog trainer like DogDaddy and Beckhams

Great statement! Added bonus: you've added to my reading list!

Ivan, You are awesome. You, your wife, staff, and dogs are amazing 👏 Bravo Sir!

So well said Ivan....pure class, respect and facts! Spoken like a true leader!...Zack is so "positively" Lost!Y

Thank you, Ivan

Ivan is one of my favourite he's a G. I have a challenge for Zack. Let's see if he can make it to IGP on positive only

I Watch Zaks videos on puppy raising and basic obedience. But if I was dealing with more complex behavioral issues I would not turn to Zak. A lot of dogs respond to positive reinforcement but there are others that do not. We do things a certain way in my pack. When I bring in a new puppy I train certain things and others are learned by the older dogs.

Thank you Ivan!!!

I had to watch with this with the audio down and subtitles on because of where I'm at, and I just have to say how perfect it was at the end, the subtitles said "sack" instead of "Zack" 😂 that is definitely an accurate description of that guy 😂 He's a KZfaqr, not a trainer. His videos and "training" are all for sponsored products. He has no knowledge to draw from when working with dogs. He needs to sit back down at the kids table.

My favorite thing out Force Free is that it challenges us to train in a new way and it's fun to make mistakes and learn. But I value balanced training because I feel dogs need clear communication and consequences for their actions. The beauty is that no mater the training, your dog will love you more with clear direction and leadership. I hate the force free mindset of letting the dog just figure it out. They need direction. You need to tell your dog what is inappropriate, not reward them troubleshooting. Balance training is not abuse unless you make it abuse.

I've never seen a force free veterinary office

Thank you ! This needed to be said. I agree with your training methods.

Thankyou Sir. We need the veterans using their undeniable experience as a sword to fight this bullshit lie being peddled. Thankyou Ivan. Novice trainer from Australia.

One of my goals is to study Ivan’s training, I feel I’m not experienced enough to fully understand it yet but I will.

There is something to be said for how you conduct yourself. You sir are a legend. I'm looking forward to taking a deeper dive into your channel

Ok, absolutely, wow!!!

I watched 2 of Zak George's videos and both all he was doing was using a super high value reward (Packaged, processed lunch meat) to lure the dogs to do the basics. I'm not a professional trainer by any means but I'm pretty sure I can get the average dog to do all that stuff too if I just stuffed food down their faces. Slowly people here in the USA are recognizing that these trainers who won't use e collars or some other type negative reinforcement are simply saying that death before discomfort is preferable for your dog. Where I live in Colorado you can take your dog hiking and easily encounter anything from rattle snakes to mountain lions to bears. You need to get your dog back to you and safe with 100% consistency or they're liable to end up dead. The rattle snakes seem to be a real problem here, that's a horrible death for your dog. Your message is well stated.

Great commentary, loved it. Thanks!

Positive punishment made it possible to begin working with my severely reactive adult rescue Cattle Dog. The power of play changed this Dog’s attitude about his surroundings. Absolute game changer. It seems Zack George has been unable to train an extremely biddable Collie from a puppy. Not sure why he thinks he has anything relevant to say.

His comeback to everything is the studies support his views. Such narrow minded thinking is common in the pure positive faction.

Perfect response ❤️

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in a "debate" I had with zak he tried to convince me that a wolf pack leader utilizes positive enforcement to gain control of the pack and to teach it right and wrong. He is completely close minded to any opinions differing his. You are right to speak your peace and move on brother.

Just found your channel. Got a difficult rescue foster who resource gaurds. Chases our cat. Has bitten me. Im his last stop before being PTS. Do you have any videos or courses to help with this? Trainers are far and in between where I am. All the new ones are Petsmart grade and a joke.

Thank you!

I do nt want to pile on Zak. He trains his way and has a kind heart. And this is what drives so many dog owners to convince themselves that they can appeal to their pets with treats and praise only. It is from a desire to become friends with their companion dog, and it overlooks the problems this creates. Waiting for a “good” behaviour and then rewarding is illogical and confusing to the dog. It is extremely time consuming and sometimes pointless. It also relies heavily on the dog being able to understand the reward process for its own actions, rather than a common desire to just give a dog treats for the bonding and joy. Like all things it has it’s place in the training cycle, but the army of “positive training” owners are somewhat self deluded, again, from a sense of kindness. Some are extreme, attacking anyone who dares question their beliefs, like a religious cult. This is pointless and damaging. It places new owners in a dilemma of joining the cult or being abused. I like a balance in all things, and dog training is near the top of the list. Apply what the dog needs. No cruelty, just sensible control. Watching Dog Daddy, Nate Shumer, Tom Davis, Robert Cabral, and many others, it opened my eyes to what can be achieved with the right mindset and effort. Thanks for the video….stay strong.

I have a saying about people like Zak. “Don’t show the monkey the bananas”

Thank you for that I feel the same way when I watch his videos

Straight up ! No BS! Love it!

I appreciate both sides. Clearly you both have differing views and aren't going to convince the other to swap sides. So long as you both continue to learn and put your best efforts into understanding dog behavior and training in a way that will make the dogs and humans lives better, that's what matters. I love Zaks passion for only wanting positive training and he's helped me with training my dog at home, but so has balanced trainers so I really appreciate the dog training community as a whole.