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A Budget Light-Gun Legend Solution Returns ! .. RetroShooter V2 🦾
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@WMARUoriginal 2 ай бұрын
I really hope more companies start making light gun systems. Until then, this V2 seems to be the best mix of value and function.
@zockeromi1970 2 ай бұрын
Yes, would be great to see a lightgun revival
@ChristianCastle 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, it would be awesome if they make wireless light-guns too
@theretroshooter 2 ай бұрын
@@ChristianCastle wireless light guns would be a larger battery and no recoil.
@spakey1983 2 ай бұрын
I love everything about it barring the price 😅👍
@georged7627 2 ай бұрын
With these sorts of products i like to wait for cheaper prices and also wait for multiple updates in the software before i buy 🙏🏽
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
Good point .. V1 and V2 ... are so much different now. I hope V3 will just be needed with an update itself
@2bin 2 ай бұрын
Ordered and on its way. Can't wait!
@agdejong 2 ай бұрын
I have this one, and I really love it.
@ErodedBeats 2 ай бұрын
Me too, even better on a pc
@Rob_G716 2 ай бұрын
Just got it the other day. It’s great for the price! However, They should launch a Pro version, more powerful mini PC version that can run more of the advanced shooters
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
Yeah that would be awesome. Did you see my retro shooter arcade video .. that is sick !
@catmando2058 2 ай бұрын
Nice video, shame about all those ugly wires everywhere. When I think I started my lightgun journey using a wireless wii controller in a plastic gun shell £10 and+ a dolphin bar £20 and all I had was 1 wire down the back of my cabinet plugging into my usb port on the pc. They really need to drop the prices on this and sort all those wires out
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
Yeah cable nightmare 🙄
@TampaTec 2 ай бұрын
Very cool, perfect fit for Legends ultimate arcade.
@kdstyles1979 2 ай бұрын
just imagining building a cabinet for this system.... I want
@zacmac018 2 ай бұрын
currently building one from an old arcade1up!!
@kdstyles1979 2 ай бұрын
@@zacmac018 keep us posted on the results
@itchyisvegeta 2 ай бұрын
It's on my to do list
@otaking3582 2 ай бұрын
Ah yes, $200-$300 USD is considered a "budget solution".
@dreamleaf6784 2 ай бұрын
Sounds budget to me
@otaking3582 2 ай бұрын
@@dreamleaf6784 Maybe if you're a rich person that can throw around thousands of dollars, but for people in the real world, using a Wii remote and their computer will be far cheaper.
@robloxmethod.1016 Ай бұрын
@@otaking3582 well knowing that light gun games are usually 18,000 dollars, cutting it down to 200-300 dollars is actually a budget for light gun games. No one is rich just for buying this and having 200-300 dollars. It can easily be achieved if you have a job.
@Schwift3D Ай бұрын
@@otaking3582you're confusing budget with cheap, depends on the category of the item. A budget toothbrush can cost $1 compared to an expensive $60 toothbrush, a budget lightgun costs a few hundred dollars compared to several thousands of dollars. Just because this isn't something you can afford doesn't mean it's not a budget solution for the category it's in.
@otaking3582 Ай бұрын
@@robloxmethod.1016 No, $18,000 is for a full arcade cabinet, not a peripheral. Again, people shouldn't have to pay that much for tech found in a Wii Remote.
@driedprinterke6988 2 ай бұрын
for the cheapest version 272 USD +EU tax and customs, is a steep price... Hope there will be some competition soon.. Or a EU warehouse where they ship from.
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
EU warehouse would be great indeed.
@syprior1138 2 ай бұрын
Not really. Lethal enforcers on the SNES with one lightgun was $100 equivalent in Europe back in 1994. So compared to previous prices it's quite good
@GAzcona 2 ай бұрын
I have exactly this product, and I love it. The only complaint I have is the only option for audio is coming thru HDMI. Some monitor I have do not have speakers.
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, I was happy to find this HDMI monitor with speakers build-in 🤣
@LeoDavidson 2 ай бұрын
I had the same problem with The C64 and Amiga Mini. Solved it with a box that takes HDMI in and outputs HDMI and optical audio. Of course, this means yet more cables and another power connector! But it works great.
@theretroshooter 2 ай бұрын
noted, we will not do that again. Sorry about that. We will include an audio jack next time.
@godlesssociety498 2 ай бұрын
Monitors with HDMI will have audio out jack as well
@RetiredRetro1 2 ай бұрын
I had this problem installing Retro Shooter in a converted Arcade1up cabinet connected to a 19in monitor with no speakers. I used a module with HDMI “In” that split audio to RCA out. Connected to a mini Amp & subwoofer for great sound!
@coldpiece1408 2 ай бұрын
9:42 put that pedal on the floor and step on like we used to!
@robert5235 2 ай бұрын
That is the way I play House of the Dead Overkill with Two guns at the same time.
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
Hahhaa... love this ! 😁
@rubenlebleu4446 2 ай бұрын
I love this, I have the 1st version and I would like to own the newer SD card if it works with the 2 sensors version guns. Love your chanel keep it up.
@mastergizmo666 2 ай бұрын
There is a official download with all the new games.
@rubenlebleu4446 2 ай бұрын
I would really love to know where or how to get the new supported gun games @@mastergizmo666
@UCLAKoolman 2 ай бұрын
They offered an upgrade kit for those of us who bought the two sensor version to upgrade to four sensors. I installed that and have the new games now too.
@Chriscannon3565 2 ай бұрын
Thanks wicked for the review, I don't understand about people complaining about the price I think it's pretty good, here in New Zealand it's hard to find light guns now, i have ps2 and kos of how hard they are to find people are selling 2 for like are 100 bucks each, and if u want a sinden 1 gun is 190 NZD, ginsfir are out of the question, I went on retro shooter website and they deliver to NZ and with the adaptor the cepaest option is 342, NZD.Considering how hard it is to find light guns then have to get a crt tv as well I think this a great option for us here, Let's not forget all the games u can play on the pandora box, yes the box is underpowered a little but for the average person like me it will suffice and if u get the adaptor and play off pc and get botceria it's even better, I'm turning 40 this year and my wife is getting me one, cheaper than a ps5 as well xbox, I personally think it's great value
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, It's how you look at this stuff in general. I have the Sinden, Gun4ir and the Retro Shooter. When you compare prices then you realize how cheap Retro Shooter is 😄
@styauJ 2 ай бұрын
Yeah 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
@FirstPersonBolo 2 ай бұрын
Sure the console box is nice but I miss an option w/o it to lower a bit the price. Will try guncons on my arcade cab while keeping an eye on theese Nice vid as always and so handy!
@ErodedBeats 2 ай бұрын
You can buy without the console
@FirstPersonBolo 2 ай бұрын
@@ErodedBeats I've checked again their web and can't find it anywhere man 🤣🤣🤣
@ErodedBeats 2 ай бұрын
@@FirstPersonBolo go to retro shooter page, click on the 3 lines at the top of the page , click pc and 10th package . Select retro shooter guns , it will give you the option of 1 or 2 guns, pay then in a couple of weeks use them like I am .
@nicholassanders527 2 ай бұрын
Amazing 😊
@firstletterg 2 ай бұрын
I want one but 200+ USD is kinda steep but seems worth no longer having to rely on CRT display
@det0nator 2 ай бұрын
I've always wanted a retro shooter. I hope it has Terminator.
@MrRobarino 2 ай бұрын
Do you even watch the videos before you comment? It clearly showed him playing Terminator.
@JacknVictor 2 ай бұрын
I had come up with an easy design for a light gun, based on the namco gcon 45 design, designed PCBs, bought df robot cameras etc to build them up, and although PCB way would print my circuit boards, they won't 3d print the shells for the light guns, as it's their policy not to print ANYTHING that resembles a weapon, not even if it's a game controller of a fantasy buck Rogers 1950s laser gun type design. I've got a couple of 3d printers but nothing that can print in the quality of way provide. So now I think I'm going to have to 3d print a shell, sand it, filler etc to get it perf etc then make a set of silicone moulds from it and then resin cast them. It's a lot of hassle when PCB way could do them for me a lot easier. The nky other way around it would be to split my design up in to lots of separate pieces, so none of them look like they come from a gun design. But then I'll have to attach all the parts together, and. I don't think it will look that great afterwards. I like the design of these in this video though. But even if I did a similar thing, PCB way still won't 3d print them.
@Cyrus_Nagisa 2 ай бұрын
I really just want the guns/ sensors for MAME, for the price these guns seems to be pretty decent
@metal--babble346 2 ай бұрын
John Wick style 2 gun gaming !!
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
yeah whahha 😁 Check the other video where I go full Rambo mode 🤪
@michaeladams9807 2 ай бұрын
I like this one 👍👍™️
@dadbodadventures_ 2 ай бұрын
Good video!!
@MobileDecay 2 ай бұрын
My TV wouldn't work with those sensors. It has almost no bezel and the border around it is triangular so it would just fall off. The original sensors work fine on the top.
@Pmhz. 2 ай бұрын
Working good in crt?
@dimitridem7750 15 күн бұрын
thank you for this review, is it possible to add new games to this setup ? Like house of dead, virtua cop, etc... ? thanks
@WickedGamerCollector 15 күн бұрын
We do have problem when it comes to the power of this thing. If you want to go full Light-gun mode you should look into a PC Windows build maybe. And combine that with Retro Shooter.
@Eddylive 2 ай бұрын
I love it but would love to be able to turn off the solenoid thing as I have a restaurant/bar so during certain occasions, yes crank it up, but during a dinner service type deal , would be good to turn it off
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
You can plug out the power cable. A software thing would be great indeed. Maybe in V3 this will be possible ?
@Eddylive 2 ай бұрын
@@WickedGamerCollector man I live in Taiwan and I love getting Pandora stuff from China! Love your channel for reviews. Definitely wanna snag this at a future date if I can turn the sound off
@theretroshooter 2 ай бұрын
you can press and hold the trigger while powering on the console. This will turn off the recoil. If you are using them on a PC, just press and hold the trigger when powering on the hub.
@Eddylive 2 ай бұрын
@@theretroshooter amazing
@OmBotCult 2 ай бұрын
Really want to get it just so I can hook it up to pc.
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
You can only it's going to be a setup nightmare ?
@ChristianCastle 2 ай бұрын
I'd love to build my own Arcade with this type of light-guns but I wouldn't know where to start...
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
This is maybe the most easy solution you can get. I would go for the Pandora 10th edition this haves an easy solution for jamma connections for the input controls. Still want to rebuilld my arcade1up with this retro shooter solution.
@theretroshooter 2 ай бұрын
So many people do this, it's awesome!
@mr.nuna916 2 ай бұрын
Id love to hear this guy say "smoke and a pancake"
@0Akeldama0 Ай бұрын
would the infrared sensors make the wii pointer more accurate in wii games? lol
@theswapmeetflea 2 ай бұрын
I have it, i enjoy it, but the people selling are poor at customer service, i missed out on the light gun upgrade they were offering for a limited only, i almost beg them if i could buy, but they kept denying me, they just didnt want to make me a favor by letting me buy it. Again, love the product but hate the guys selling it. My only option would be to buy the whole package again just to get this upgraded version, which is ridiculous and totally out of the question.
@jase2568 2 ай бұрын
I love the look of this, but it looks like a cable nightmare. If only the sensors were battery powered, I'd spunk my money at them. But maybe one day!
@CarfDarko 2 ай бұрын
Seems like a fun and decent product, i was laughing at your comment about Crime Patrol, I know exaxtly how you feel, it's almost a guilty pleasure.
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
Yeah ... weird thing is. This game is starting to grow on me 🙄🤣
@crummyautumn 2 ай бұрын
Great video. Just the price point is the only thing holding me back to be honest.
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
You should look into Gun4IR or Sinden. Get a basic 60$ pc with batocera. In the end there are not alot of cheaper options. 😄
@crummyautumn 2 ай бұрын
@@WickedGamerCollector yeah it's difficult to find somthing cheaper and works with most emulators or games
@mgsalmon79 2 ай бұрын
Great video but far too many things put me off this device. A) That recoil feature would annoy me so much. Doesn’t even look like it can be turned off. B) wires C) price These retro devices are cool but for me, still just a novelty.
@GTVNewsForGamers 2 ай бұрын
Pretty impressive, but is there a full game list anywhere? There's a few specific titles I'd like to if they're on there or not. Also, I saw a bunch of fighting games on the first menu? Does this thing support regular controllers for those?
@zombos22222 27 күн бұрын
does this one comes preloaded with games? because the website says the console comes not with any games /: and i not gonna download illegal roms without supporting the devs this feels not right.
@gamersxpsn1822 2 ай бұрын
Could you use this to upgrade an Arcade 1up machine?
@Raphael_De_La_Ghetto 2 ай бұрын
Argh all of those cables for the sensors would wreak havic on my OCD😱🤧
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
Yeah I think I can get clean it up if needed 😁
@theretroshooter 2 ай бұрын
The sensor cables are pretty easy to hide behind the TV or some people feed it through the wall. We recommend connecting the USB to the back of your TV, not to the console.
@XmasTablet 2 ай бұрын
I wanted to see how the sensor bars were setup dude 😭😢😤
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
Woeps... let me do that in the next video 😁👍
@Mooch2myLoO 2 ай бұрын
I want one
@adekenyon 2 ай бұрын
is it possible to purchase the guns, Hub etc only..? as I already have a Super Console X GT King (and would they work?)
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
Yes, you can buy those. Nope no support for EmuElec. They do work on Batocera at this moment.
@adekenyon 2 ай бұрын
@@WickedGamerCollector - Thanks for the info, really appreciate that.
@echtalion 5 күн бұрын
The pricier models have been mentioned in the video and comments, what ae these?
@nfdavis1 2 ай бұрын
This thing is over $200. Hardly budget friendly
@gingerdude94 2 ай бұрын
Cool Chinesium
@MrFroggster 2 ай бұрын
I need this. Is it possible to buy from germany? do you/they shipping?
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
So far i know it's WW shipping. I'm in EU to ... no problem. They ship directly from China by the way.
@michaelleese6235 2 ай бұрын
Is there any way we could just get the guns and pedals without the console?
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
Send them a email. Maybe custom order is possible ?
@IvailoNachev-xc3zu 2 ай бұрын
No offense but the cheapest one is not that very far from an Xbox Series S.😅 Don't get me wrong I want to play Light Gun games but the price is a bit... I guess using the mouse in Batocera is all I can do for now.
@johnnyoneill1676 2 ай бұрын
There is no gap under my TV, do you know if I would I be able to clip the sensors on the front of it or does it need to be underneath?
@LeoDavidson 2 ай бұрын
You can stick them on the front, if there's enough room. They come with double-sided sticky strips (although I used my own 3M Command Tape instead, to make sure it'd come off cleanly if I need to remove it).
@johnnyoneill1676 2 ай бұрын
@@LeoDavidson great, thanks
@theretroshooter 2 ай бұрын
@@johnnyoneill1676 you can have it on the front of the TV as well.
@johnnyoneill1676 2 ай бұрын
@@theretroshooter good to know , thanks
@UnBuenJugador 2 ай бұрын
The gun looks cool but the shooting noise is annoying as hell!
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
You can just plug out the power cable and have no feedback 👌
@MobileDecay 2 ай бұрын
I have to unplug because I live in an apartment building and I would get complaints.
@mierin9556 2 ай бұрын
Do these Retro shooter light guns work on PC with Mame/TeknoParrot or do they only work with the Retro Shooter Pandora's box?
@theretroshooter Ай бұрын
The guns work with a PC as well.
@mierin9556 Ай бұрын
@@theretroshooter Thank you is there a way to order these from the US? I had an issue ordering nerf blaster from China.
@theretroshooter Ай бұрын
@@mierin9556 Hi, no we only ship from Asia right now. We have not had any issues with shipping.
@andromedaone3640 2 ай бұрын
I want it, but the sensor's look messy
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
more sensors... more cables more cable nightmare 🤣
@LeoDavidson 2 ай бұрын
If you have a spare powered USB port on the back of your TV, there isn't much mess from the sensors. My only complaint with them is that you have to have a cable sticking out BOTH sides of two of the sensors (which then chain to another sensor each), when it would've been nice to have a port on the back to avoid that. But there are still two cables per gun (going to opposite sides of the console, too, if you use that; although the PC USB HUB thing is better laid out) and a cable per pedal, so there is a mess, but the sensors don't really add to it IMO, as all of those wires are tied up behind the TV, except the two that stick out the side.
@theretroshooter 2 ай бұрын
@@LeoDavidson I know what you mean, We can't make everything wireless but maybe a wireless pedal. You can also look at 90 degree USB-C connections. I use them on my TV but it wouldn't work if you mounted the sensor to the face of the TV or arcade cab.
@LeoDavidson 2 ай бұрын
@@theretroshooter Wireless pedal would be really cool! I can see how a wireless gun would be hard unless it either had no recoil or a very heavy and expensive battery.
@isaijuarez211 2 ай бұрын
I want it but I don't know
@kamenriderman 2 ай бұрын
Because it is too difficult to buy from my country so I prefer buying refurbished Wii 😂
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
It's a shame you can't buy this 😶
@istboardz 2 ай бұрын
Expensive
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
😮
@Blas4ublasphemy 2 ай бұрын
Mad Dog Mcree?
@jcougar831 2 ай бұрын
Any list of games somewhere?
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
One in the video 😄
@jmartin1885 2 ай бұрын
Er, over $250.00 for two light-guns ain't budget!!! The ONLY other alternative is the Sinden Light Gun... BUT at £89.99 for one gun... That isn't an option either!!! Keep-Em!!!
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
Ask gun4ir how much this cost. Maybe you are lucky you can buy this with Gun4ir for around 900+ usd.
@ChristianCastle 2 ай бұрын
Does it work on console games like Duck Hunt or only Arcade games?
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
Mame, NES, SNES, Dreamcast, PS1 & LaserDisc.
@raymonddai 2 ай бұрын
The recoil is actually a motor not a solenoid
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
Was it not a mech solenoid concept ?
@raymonddai 2 ай бұрын
@@WickedGamerCollectornope they went with motor to extend the lifespan of the recoil as it’s harder to burn out a motor than a solenoid . A solenoid recoil means it’s an electro magnet pulling a piston against a spring . The magnetic charge is then quickly released causing the piston to shoot out and hit a piece of plastic which makes the recoil hit noise. This mechanism on retroshooter is a motor spinning a gear that’s attached to a spring loaded piston on a latch so the sound has a wind up effect rather than a solid hit. The benefit is it can do auto fire for longer compared to smaller solenoids which will stop working after a certain amount of heat is generated. The downside is sound effect isn’t for everyone and the power is usually weaker since it’s a spin rather than a powerful pull punch
@romeu3911 Ай бұрын
@@raymonddaiYou are a legend 🤘🏻🔥 thank you for the explanation
@fuhqsideways 2 ай бұрын
I thought the sensors with the ps3 time crisis looked jank...this is even worse! Can't wait for a cheap solution without them
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
yeah 4 sensores wahaha.. cable nightmare ! 🤣
@MrRobarino 2 ай бұрын
You want a cheap solution with no sensors??.....good luck with that.
@nestnirvana 2 ай бұрын
That noise will drive me beserk
@Jumanji-ds5nd 5 күн бұрын
You can customize that, like change it to just one ricochet instead of machine gun type ricochet, or you can turn it off. I’m am not sure if there is any light gun with recoil that does not make a sound yet.
@tcdahn7 2 ай бұрын
Can it play duck hunt or the snes lethal enforcer?
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
Did see Lethal Enforcer .. Mame. Let me see if I can upload a game list from the v2.
@melcrose 2 ай бұрын
@@WickedGamerCollector YES PLEASE ! ! !
@theretroshooter 2 ай бұрын
Yes it can
@carlbarton7296 2 ай бұрын
Those sensors are awful with the wires sticking.. Sindens with raspberry pi is a much better option
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
Sinden with the white border is a easy solution. No sensors needed 👌
@LeoDavidson 2 ай бұрын
I bought these after fighting with the Sinden software for months. (Then you get it working but the sun is in a different direction and now they don't work again.) Only got the the RS guns a few days ago and haven't used them much, but already more than the Sindens as they actually work out of the box, lol. Still setting up a PC to use with them, though, so I don't know if there will still be some issues there. The Pandora's Box is a bit better than I thought but not what I plan to use long-term, and missing some important games/versions.
@AYC1988xx 2 ай бұрын
Can i turn off the clicking sound of the light gun?
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
Yes plug out the power.
@B_RadS89 2 ай бұрын
Does die hard trilogy work on this?
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
PS1 seems to be running fine.
@ebayseller6040 2 ай бұрын
any way to upgrade the crappy box it comes with lol
@theretroshooter Ай бұрын
You can use the guns with a PC if you would like.
@MidnightFireHuntress 2 ай бұрын
280 USD IS A BUDGET OPTION?! AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
Yes... at this point I have no idea what is cheaper. Gun4ir is even more expensive 🙄 Sinden is not cheap 200+ for 2 controllers So yeah... did review that cheap plug and play hdmi solution 🤣 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/btx6gqeXzLy2XZc.html&ab_channel=WickedGamer%26Collector
@Raphael_De_La_Ghetto 2 ай бұрын
😂😂 Octopus(es)😂😂
@TMSDRONESoficial 2 ай бұрын
Link for Brazil??
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
Just a general link. Does he not ship world wide ?
@g4z-kb7ct 2 ай бұрын
The gun handle design is not good and hurts after using it for some minutes. Unfortunately they copied the handle design from the Sinden gun which is also a bad design and hurts after using it for some minutes. What they should have done is copied the Namco Guncon design which is great and very comfortable even after using it for several hours. Oh well, back to the drawing board.....
@pyjama9556 2 ай бұрын
Simple but what an ugly mess of wires jeeez!!😩
@gelijkjatoch1009 2 ай бұрын
But you can't have nothing of those games. You can only have a game and you have to rip it your self. Otherwise they will make you suffer.
@ichimitchsounddesign 2 ай бұрын
Still horrible
@NeoTrader_FZ1 2 ай бұрын
Its not true gaming. Old tv need. This devase like a wii motion controler. If you have, you may play same same as this product in every shooters. I use PC emulators.
@ruicunha103 2 ай бұрын
Thats Trash.
@rupert281 2 ай бұрын
I just can't get behind it yeah it might be a good plug n play for some people but for the price no way I suggest arcade punks image for batocera and the sinden for 129 bucks but for plug n play still I can't get behind it just one man's opinion
@WickedGamerCollector 2 ай бұрын
Sinden love that thing. Only ... Used Mini PC - 69 euro Small SSD - 15 2x Sinden Light-Gun - 269 Padels - ? In short it's great way only is this not the same kind of price ? 😄
@MrRobarino 2 ай бұрын
A Sinden lightgun is $129 each. If you want two guns it comes to $260...which is literally the same price as the RetroShooter package with two guns, pedals, and console. Check your math and think harder about it.
@xwulfd 2 ай бұрын
the problem with light guns is the lag on oled and lcd screen, you need an old crt tvs to make this work flawlessly
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