What a great discussion, the type of intellectual honesty displayed in this video serves as a great example to those who have a difficult time in parting with their biases on topics such as these.

Kathy Keller high-fiving John Piper is so great

Kathy Keller's is phenomenal, godly-wisdom, bold speech. A true blessing to watch this panel share the Word and its application on gender roles

I love watching videos of these guys !!! Especially when they are talking to each other !!! And the subject is interesting! Women are intelligent, full of sound doctrine! See how they talk! 😂

"No it wasn't", and John Piper just couldn't hold back the laugh. You can see how it must have been a refining process for that couple. God is so good and graceful in bringing out fruit from what they had.

Gilbert Bilzekian, Catherine Kroger, Gwefair Walter's, Gordon Fee. . .and other Scholars that have taught at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary for the last 52 years in South Hamilton, Massachusetts where Tim Keller, Mark Dever and Kevin Deyoung have graduated from.

I don't understand why Kathy felt she had to label her Sisters & brothers in Christ by their former "old nature, (gay Christians)." We would never call out our brothers & Sisters in Christ as Pedophile Christians, Alcoholic Christians, Adulterer Christians. No, that is what we "were," but now we are a Royal Priesthood, a "Holy Nation, a people belonging to God that we might declare the praise of Him who called us out of darkness in to His marvelous light."

Help! Is there a theological argument of this calibre that speaks from a more egalitarian point of view? I would like to hear both perspectives but have struggled to find anything where they deal with it with this level of maturity and biblical grounding on the egalitarian end.

Admittedly I've only begun listening to the first woman, and I think TGC made a jump, a leap even, by using the word "complementary" in the scripture that does not use the word. The Hebrew links men and women, but it doesn't use the word complementary. And then, this is just based on the first woman's speech, she then defines this complementarism by using some cherry picked scriptures. In line with loads of other complementarians I've heard they:- 1. insert incorrect language into the Hebrew/Greek bible and then 2. use cherry picked verses. Also as an egalitarian I've never thought egalitarianism was competency based. It is based on not reading the modern ideas of the last two millennia into ancient texts. Given a few comments by the conversationalists, I suspect their stance comes more from that 70s debate they referred too. Obviously I'm not burnt by this debate because I'd never even heard of it until now. And their biases come from the eldership concept.

i don't know why this is even a topic?

how are single women and widows lead?

would these guys like mustard with their Bologna?

So there's no difference in competence? A male firefighter is no better than a female firefighter? A woman is a weaker vessel & she is not physically a mans equal, this is obvious even to a kindergartener.

when they agree on “it always go back to genesis “ is simply both end and origin.... it relies on “because that’s just how it is.”. it’s a weak theology.

i think it is best to follow God, Jesus and the holy spirit. the bible is full of ways to behave. we each have the great commission. spreading the gospel and disciple making. God made it simple. why not just focus on all that we should be doing as christians.

The implications of this view are: women CANNOT teach mixed Sunday school? And what about women missionaries? How are they supposed to evangelize men? What was Elizabeth Eliot thinking (a woman!) preaching to those men who killed her husband? This is patriarchy.

complimentarian is patriarchal

Suppose that I said "Hey, I'm not sexist. I just believe that there is a set place for men and women that aren't interchangeable and the place of women is jobs like secretary and the place for men is jobs like CEO." You would likely immediately understand that this is incredibly sexist. Frankly, having heart all the arguments, I see no way to not reach this conclusion about complementarianism. After all, my hypothetical statement is nothing more than complimentarianism applied to companies rather than churches. Complementarianism is clearly what the Bible advocates. Therefore, the Bible is sexist. Therefore, I reject both complimentarianism and the Bible and embrace human decency and equal rights for all. What I find striking in this conversation is that no one is presenting arguments showing that complimentarianism isn't sexist. Instead, they are just arguing that it is in line with the Bible. I find that telling. It is amazing how much christianity is about determining who is getting too "upity" and putting them back in their place. If you declare that there is a position that someone cannot have because of their genitals and declare that this is submission, then you aren't asking for submission. You are demanding it. The submission there isn't voluntary. It is enforced. I've seen christian leadership. I've seen Donald Trump, Roy Moore, Bret Kavanaugh, Desantis, Brian Kemp and so many more. Servant leadership? You cannot be serious. Christianity is authoritarian and it can't be or do otherwise. It can't because all it has is a claim of authority. It can't back up its claims with scientific evidence. It can only back up its claims with authority and violence. That is, at least in part, why christians are so focused on dismantling democracy.

Gay singles?...about minute 49

were the ten commandments just for the man? or were all (men and women) of the israelites his special treasure? we follow God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. this topic is circular. where do single women fit in? should i find a man as a single woman to lead me????????????? will i be lost and not have a relationiship with god if i am not married or a widow??????????? Will i not be able to choose Jesus as my savior unless i am married to a man who can lead and decide for me? will i be lost as a single female if i don't have a male to lead me????? should i have my male pastor make all my decisions for me? no one wants to talk about that though. i am not married to man, i am married to God, Jesus and the HOly Spirit. that is who i follow because yes, even as a lowly, weak female, as many of you have pointed out, the holy spirit that dwells in me leads me. does the holy spirit only lead man? maybe we can put all the single women and widows on an island and give them bread and water and send one man over there to lead them since they can't do anything on their own. crazy right. your talk is crazy too.

mess.

Don't speak for egalitarians John, you don't know what you are talking about. Anyway I think you all miss the point. Why do we have complimentarians or egalitarians. All this does is cause division. We should be one in Christ...oops sorry I'm a woman, have I stepped out of line?

this arguement exist because we are in a fallen state and it is a power struggle. before the fall none of these arguements existed and that is how i will live, equal in all respects to adam. i am equal in all respects. i won't buy into these arguements. i live as though in the garden of eden which was not oppressive controlling or domineering.

Why the labels???? unhelpful....Why did you have to start a 'movement?" Jesus is the movement.