A fast medium format compact film camera | Zeiss Ikon Super Ikonta 80mm f/2.8 folder | snap shorts

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The Whole Picture

The Whole Picture

Күн бұрын

In this snap shorts episode I talk casually about the incredible Zeiss Ikon Super Ikonta medium format folding camera. Don't let it's film size and specs fool you, this camera isn't much larger than some compact 35mm cameras but with some pretty impressive image quality!
There are several Zeiss ikon super ikontas with 80mm f/2.8 lenses out there. I even saw one recently with an orange/red T on it meaning it was probably coated with zeiss special T* coating and would presumable perform better when it comes to color film stocks!
If you have any questions please feel free to leave a comment down bellow. Thanks!
Film used in video
cinestill
Rollei RPX 400
Kodak Tri--X
Fuji Pro 160
00:00 intro
00:22 compact medium format film cameras
01:06 Zeiss Ikon Super Ikonta
01:43 a small medium format camera
02:02 compared to other folding cameras
02:56 80mm f/2.8 lens
03:53 rangefinder and street photography
05:00 conclusion

Пікірлер: 43
@donaldlampert331
@donaldlampert331 8 ай бұрын
I just picked up my first Zeiss Super Ikonta in landscape format like yours! It is a beauty… can’t wait to shoot with it! I rarely use higher than 200 ISO film, usually my favorite -Kodak Ektar 100, so good with the slower shutter speeds! Thanks for the nice review!
@russellyoung2852
@russellyoung2852 2 жыл бұрын
Nice review! I typically use folding 6x6 as a companion to a digital camera, like yourself. Thanks for getting the word out about their virtues, they are very under appreciated cameras. Back in the darkroom days, that large negative seemed to be much easier to print as compared to 35mm. And as you say, the experience is different - and for myself, more enjoyable. There won't be any KZfaqs in 50 years extolling the virtues of a 2022 digital camera ... Like Randall Stewart (below), I am a major fan of the Mamiya Six Automat - and also the Russian made Iskra (Spark), both f/3.5 lenses. Both are coated optics and their weight is almost identical. The Mamiya Six has a focus wheel on the back of the body which makes it much easier/faster to focus than the Ikontas. It also has a plate which holds the film dead flat, like a Leica. This prevents all that massive real eastate of silver from laying in an ever-so-slight curve, which creates uneven sharpness across the film plane. Nonetheless, my Zeiss Super Ilonta B is regularly used for special situations; the uncoated pre-war model has a "look" that is particularly appealling to me but I must always remember to use a hood. I'm not sure about yours, but my pre- and post-War Super Ikonta B cameras only allow for 11 exposures, thus wasting 1/12 of the film. With today's film prices, that's not good.
@TheWholePicture
@TheWholePicture 2 жыл бұрын
Hello and thank you very much for the wonderful comment! I believe I mentioned it in the video, but I think one of these folders and a small digital camera is the way to go for travel or just walking around! It gives you the best of both worlds. A large film that is still easy and convenient with just enough exposures to make it count and digital for the rest haha! As far as the darkroom, I dont believe I had a chance to print from the Ikonta, but printing 11x14 or larger medium format is a very unique look that I have come to love. As an owner and frequent user of the more modern Mamiya 6, and all the praise in the comments of this video it is high on the list of cameras to check out. Right now, for me, a crisper image especially corner to corner will be more valuable than a fast lens and a lighter body/better ergonomics is definitely a plus. I remember the frame count being an issue that I read up on, but if memory serves I could get 12 exposures on my version. I did have some issues with nearly overlapping frames though. Yes... we've had some price hikes again making the waste of a frame feel that much heavier. It'll be interesting to see what cameras and tech remain from 2022, every so often one product stands out enough to keep a cult status but a lot of it ends up being e-waste. Digital moves so fast but I still have a soft spot for certain cameras like the Leica M9 or the original blackmagic pocket. I do plan to make some "retrospective" videos on them but it'll be interesting to see those through the lens of 2030 haha! Thanks again for the comment!
@acecreates
@acecreates 2 жыл бұрын
Magnificent video!
@TheWholePicture
@TheWholePicture 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the compliment!!
@acecreates
@acecreates 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheWholePicture my pleasure!
@AveryDelMiller
@AveryDelMiller 2 жыл бұрын
I thought i'd come away from this video wanting that camera but now I want that camera and a delorean
@TheWholePicture
@TheWholePicture 2 жыл бұрын
Haha! You could say both withstood the test of time despite it being an uphill battle! Thank you for the comment and I hope you liked the video!
@KevinCdva
@KevinCdva 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video! I’ve fallen in love with film cameras (specially those kept so beautifully in Japan) recently.
@TheWholePicture
@TheWholePicture 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the continued support! It really means a lot and I'm committed to (at least trying to) put out a new video each week! I think you would really like an old folder from Japan then! Konica(konishiroku at the time), Fuji, Mamiya, Olympus and many more companies have several folders in 645 and 66 that tend to be in good condition here! They are solid well built cameras that feel more hand crafted than later cameras. Something to look out for are the bellows, if the camera was used a lot the constant folding and unfolding can create light leaks... There are DIY solutions to fix these problems though! Also a lot of older folders don't have strap lugs which can make things a bit awkward when actually photographing with them. Compared to even 35mm SLRs the 645 folders can feel compact and something like the Konica pearl is as pocketable as some larger compact point and shoots!
@KevinCdva
@KevinCdva 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheWholePicture thank you! Originally I was saving to buy a brand new Leica m6 for a personal project of mine that involved taking pictures in film, but after seeing Mamiya 7 ii shots I am gravitating more towards it. I really like the slightly larger medium format and the colors are beautiful. I’ve heard about some issues with it so I’m about weary, but luckily I’ve found a camera repair person in my city (Houston) and funnily enough she might be of Japanese decent. Japanese people truly master the art of keeping these machines running beautifully.
@TheWholePicture
@TheWholePicture 2 жыл бұрын
The Mamiya 7 is a fantastic camera for sure! My professor uses one and the results can easily leave you speechless. The selection of lenses is also great for a medium format rangefinder. I have the Mamiya 6 and love the 50mm f/4! It's one of the best travel cameras and technically a folder too haha it gets compact enough that I've traveled with it quite a bit. I also like 6x6 and wanted to keep the same format for consistency in projects. Knowing you have a local repair person that specializes in the equipment is a huge benefit for sure. I have made choices like that in the past and its worked out, rather than sending a camera away for weeks you can potentially get it back much sooner. It would be interesting to see if I could find some reasons why Japanese culture overwhelmingly leads to very well cared for items in second hand shops. Oddly enough you can also see the opposite with abandoned building and things throughout Japan. I'll add it to the list and try to get some factual research done one of these days!
@KevinCdva
@KevinCdva 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheWholePicture have you heard of any issues with the mamiya 7 ii being electrical? That’s what I’ve read at least and it’s what turned me off. That’s the benefit of other cameras that are fully manual like the leica 6. I think the US and other English speaking countries suffer with fast consumerism that renders anything remotely outdated to be abandoned. Makes me thing of each time I’ve upgraded my iphone, even if it’s slightly damaged companies here will try to sell it for a tenth of its price while the same iphone is sold for a decent price in other countries.
@TheWholePicture
@TheWholePicture 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't heard anything in particular but I'm sure it happens and I dont know if there is a counter on the Mamiya 7 that shows how many rolls were put through it. The bright side is most Mamiya 7 owners are going to be seasoned photographers and pros so its going to be in better shape than other cameras. It would probably be best to consult with the repair person you found as to what they can and cant fix to make a more informed decision on the Mamiya. Along with the consumerism, I feel like in the US people are always trying to one up each other with material things. It happens in Japan too but not to the same degree I guess. In some ways it can also be the ease to which you can sell something here versus the US. There are so many recycle shops and even specialty shops that you can easily sell your unused brand name products to. So you can dip your feet into a new hobby and if it doesn't work out flat out return it or at least recoup some costs. So there may be lots of people that get in over their heads on some equipment they got hyped about but don't use enough or cant use to its full potential and sell it while its relatively new. It an interesting topic and probably a good video too!
@mkshffr4936
@mkshffr4936 Жыл бұрын
Been dreaming of a Moskva 5 for some time. My biggest concern is my ability to maintain it as in clean, lube, and leak repair. This kind of camera is sure cool though.
@alexcarrillo5510
@alexcarrillo5510 2 жыл бұрын
Very good Video, Yes I Love the camera, as I too have very Classic 1930's medium format Bellows cameras, as I have a 1933 German Plaubel Makina 6x9 in which really love this model, very different from the Japan Model Version, and then I pickup a Zeiss Ikonta from 1938 as in both models I will be using it when I use it in Japan Next Year... Again Very good video.... Thanks
@TheWholePicture
@TheWholePicture 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the comment! It's nice to hear from other folding camera users! The Plaubel is an interesting camera for sure, new and old! The zeiss ikontas are a great choice for bringing to Japan!! You have a lot of 120 film options here both color and BW as well as many places you can pick up a new camera as a souvenir! If you have any questions about your trip to Japan please feel free to ask!
@johnmatthews1095
@johnmatthews1095 Жыл бұрын
Love mine. Sent it to a chap in the USA for a bellows and shutter service. Works as good as in 1938
@TheWholePicture
@TheWholePicture Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear! You've really hit the nail on the head of why I love these old film cameras. They are often serviceable and repairable, even to this day, and will last for many generations!
@jeremykeller211
@jeremykeller211 8 ай бұрын
The Tessar was "stretched" to f2.8 for the pre WWII series. Unfortunately this resulted in inferior resolution. Zeiss rectified this problem in the '50s by "relaxing" the Tessar to f3.5. One can also find the three element f3.5 Novar in the same series. Stopped down to f5.6 it will provide the same fine resolution as the four element Tessar.
@andrewhawkins6454
@andrewhawkins6454 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I too love my folding medium format camera. I like the fact that It slows me down. It's an Olympus Six. 75mm f2.8 lens. It takes 6x4.5 or 6x6 photos.
@TheWholePicture
@TheWholePicture 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! I'm glad you liked the video. Oh wow I didn't realize the olympus 6 was made with a 75mm f2.8!! I just assumed all the 75mm folders were 3.5. That is something I will have to look into as I really enjoy the 75mm focal length on 66 and having 6x4.5 as an option is also great. I appreciate the comment thank you for the info!
@andrewhawkins6454
@andrewhawkins6454 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheWholePicture I was lucky enough to find this faster lens version. I'm sure that you're going to be able to find more. Good hunting. 👍
@TheWholePicture
@TheWholePicture 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that sounds like a great combo. Even one without a rangefinder at f/2.8 could be a great compact option. I'm sure you'll see a Olympus 6 video on the channel in a few months haha
@MkeNewmS
@MkeNewmS Жыл бұрын
As for me I really enjoy a Mamiya Six folding
@TheWholePicture
@TheWholePicture Жыл бұрын
That is another camera that looks excelent! I would love to compare it to the modern mamiya 6 one day just for fun.
@user-uj8wq8hj2x
@user-uj8wq8hj2x 5 ай бұрын
私の大好きなカメラ。
@randallstewart175
@randallstewart175 2 жыл бұрын
I like to use these types of medium format folders, and I own several. At one time long ago, I shopped hard for a nice copy of this Zeiss Super ikonta in 6x6 cm format, but after trying it out I passed. Why? (1) Weight. it was the higher quality line of Zeiss MF folders, built more complex, thicker metal, better lens, more features. It's probably the heaviest camera in this class - too much so to be pocket-able. (2) Lens. This camera is pre-WWII with a 80mm 2.8 lens made in 1935-39; uncoated. It's contrast is low. Frankly, at 2.8 it is too fast, and image quality is not the best. Practically useless by modern standards faster than 5.6. (3) Rangefinder/focusing. This uses the most complex rangefinder system ever put in a folding camera. it is very robust, but it requires that focusing be done by unthreading the front lens group rather than focusing the lens as a unit like all modern cameras. This compromises the image quality, particularly at closer focus distances. (4) Cost. Starting in the 1980s, this model because a collectors item. What could be bought for $100 or less in the 70s now goes for $275-500 - not a good buy for a user. You say, "but it's a Zeiss lens." Yes, but understand that when this camera was made, these were amateur cameras. Pictures were most often made by contact prints, not enlargements. On its lesser line of MF folders, Zeiss used a 3-element lens which few would accept today. This 4-element Tessar was considered overkill, even with the dubious rangefinder. In later versions made post-war, Zeiss used a 75mm 3.5 lens of higher (relatively) quality. A better and cheaper option: the Mamiya 6 folder, later versions. Better lens; better rangefinder, somewhat less heavy if not light.
@TheWholePicture
@TheWholePicture 2 жыл бұрын
Hello and thank you for the very in depth comment! It is interesting to compare this camera in the present to when it was released and what people would have done with it then. Now fast apertures gets people excited for bokeh but in the past especially with slower film I can see it being more utilitarian. Now many people shoot film to post online which is probably not far off from a contact print haha Overall I like to push film and go for a more contrasty look which probably helps cover up some of the flaws of this camera. I'm sure shooting ilford pan f plus or even slide film would show that this camera hasn't aged as well as others, but it was nice to always have this camera with me. With this size, fast film and f/2.8 I felt I could get away with photographing in more situations than other folders, but in the end I think I would prefer something like a Rolleiflex as a general walk around camera. If you have a bag its just as compact and even in lower light I find TLRs have such soft shutters and more stability, you can kind of get away with slower shutter speeds(again with grainy film hiding some imperfections). The focusing method is something I didn't recall but it is an interesting point that could affect image quality especially when wide open... After doing this video I did some follow up research and found a super ikonta with a T* coating which might be the best version of this camera, but if the focusing method remains the same image quality might still suffer. Another viewer mentioned the olympus chrome 6 which can also be found with a f/2.8 lens. With post war Japanese optics, coated models and a slightly wider 75mm lens I'm interested in trying one for myself! Something like the Chrome 6 iii or newer with a coated lens and improved film flatness should produce nice results. It also seems more compact but I'll probably opt for a separate rangefinder...
@squeller1
@squeller1 2 жыл бұрын
What camera is that folding range finder camea at the begining of the video?
@TheWholePicture
@TheWholePicture 2 жыл бұрын
Hello and thank you for the comment! Do you mean the cameras at 00:49? That would be left Fujica 6 and the right is a Konica Pear iv I believe
@squeller1
@squeller1 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheWholePicture thanks I found it meanwhile
@TheWholePicture
@TheWholePicture 2 жыл бұрын
Haha no problem, let me know if you have any other questions!
@randallstewart175
@randallstewart175 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheWholePicture And both are better picture makers and easier to use than this Super Ikonta. The Fujica 6 is very nice, but a rare collectible outside of Japan, and priced accordingly. (I'd love to have one.) That's not a Pearl IV. It is a Pearl III, smaller format - 6x4.5 format. Nice optics, but a sometimes troublesome film advance mechanism, so check that if you buy one. (Or, spend $800+ for a Pearl IV, which is as perfect a MF folder as ever made.)
@TheWholePicture
@TheWholePicture 2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, definitely a Pearl iii. I've only used it once so far and it was an interesting camera. The images were surprisingly nice if I remember correctly, for such a pocketable camera. The Fujica 6 is a beauty and it renders very nice images but along with fujis other vintage offerings the prices have gone up quite a bit. I really love this era of Fujis medium format cameras. Design wise the Fujica 6 and Fujicaflex are 2 of the most beautiful cameras ever made and thankfully they take some nice pictures too haha
@soundmixervegas
@soundmixervegas 2 жыл бұрын
Certo Six has F2.8 zeiss
@TheWholePicture
@TheWholePicture 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the comment! I had never heard of the certo six and with an integrated rangefinder and even a form of parallax correction this is another interesting folder I’m interested in using!
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