A fun integral + functional equation problem from the Putnam exam

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Maths 505

10 ай бұрын

Adding a bit of spice to the mix with Putnam exam problem from 2016
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@orionspur
@orionspur 10 ай бұрын
I think I would try x=tan u, and proceed from there.
@maxvangulik1988
@maxvangulik1988 10 ай бұрын
f(tan(u))+f(1-cot(u))=u uh... what now?
@acrommclain5233
@acrommclain5233 10 ай бұрын
1-1/x forms a group of order 3 when composed with itself. 1/x forms a group of order 2 when composed with itself. The elements of the group C_2xC_3 correspond each to one of the equations you wrote. I guess this was the way to see it more clearly. I don't see a way to do the simplification in a simpler way.
@acrommclain5233
@acrommclain5233 10 ай бұрын
Btw i know the order of those functions under composition because they are well known möbius transformations
@maths_505
@maths_505 10 ай бұрын
Ohhhhkayyyyy..... definitely no where near the route I had in mind😂 I think your way of thinking is exactly how the question was formulated in the first place and that's really cool.
@acrommclain5233
@acrommclain5233 10 ай бұрын
@@maths_505 I started looking into it when someone gave me the problem: find a function that composed with itself 3 times is the identify. After some time i found it and then quite naturally i found a way to generalize it. I thought it was something new but as always some old math guy already thought about it.
@maths_505
@maths_505 10 ай бұрын
@@acrommclain5233 can't beat old math guy.....
@tenebrae711
@tenebrae711 10 ай бұрын
​​@@acrommclain5233what is the generalisation of the cyclic group wrt composition? I tried myself but got nowhere, searched it on Google but found nothing. Could you write here how the composition of functions that leads to identity in n applications of the operator generalise? Thank you.
@mohammadelsayed5715
@mohammadelsayed5715 10 ай бұрын
Great problem . I’ve tried it on my own , but ended up with Pi/4 instead of your 3Pi/8 .
@MrWael1970
@MrWael1970 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for your effort.
@roshanmadhav8876
@roshanmadhav8876 10 ай бұрын
just wondering is f(x)=arctan(x)/2 +arctan(1-1/x)/2 +arctan(x/x-1)/2 -π/4 ?
@theelk801
@theelk801 10 ай бұрын
if you sub x->1/(1-x) a few times you end up with a linear combination of terms and then you can solve for f(x)
@spiderjerusalem4009
@spiderjerusalem4009 8 ай бұрын
I love this symmetrical substitution
@yoav613
@yoav613 10 ай бұрын
Very nice
@Anonymous-Indian..2003
@Anonymous-Indian..2003 10 ай бұрын
I Remembered this question Solved the same question 3 years ago during my JEE Advanced preparation.
@Maths_3.1415
@Maths_3.1415 10 ай бұрын
You people always come here to show off
@sakshamsingh1778
@sakshamsingh1778 7 ай бұрын
A variation of this functional equation was asked in jee main 2023 1 February shift2
@manstuckinabox3679
@manstuckinabox3679 10 ай бұрын
Duudeee We can use the result from my college's previous exam that what I call the group of "Mobius transformations of magnitude one" of order 6 forms a group under function compostion, this means that combining enough times we'll eventually loop back to f(x) and we may have up to 6 linear equations, which will aid us to solve for the 6 unknowns, BRUHH THIS IS INSANE!
@maths_505
@maths_505 10 ай бұрын
Ahhhhh yes.....yes ofcourse.....trivial....trivial indeed..... (Proceeds to question all knowledge of mathematics ever acquired 😂😂😂)
@absxn
@absxn 10 ай бұрын
neat
@Aerxis
@Aerxis 10 ай бұрын
Couldnt you do ec2 + ec3 - ec4?
@keinernichts3531
@keinernichts3531 10 ай бұрын
Great video! One small question though, if we add 2 * pi/2 and subtract one aren't we left with pi/2 instead of 3*pi/2 at the end? Love your content!
@fmakofmako
@fmakofmako 10 ай бұрын
He was careful to point out the domain of his statement: arctanx + arctan(1/x) = pi/2 when x>0 and when x
@keinernichts3531
@keinernichts3531 10 ай бұрын
@@fmakofmako Ah, I see. Thank you for the clarification!
@fmakofmako
@fmakofmako 10 ай бұрын
Just to be clear is pathological a common mathematical term, because i dont really know what it means.
@santiagoarce5672
@santiagoarce5672 10 ай бұрын
Its kinda common it means problematic.
@fmakofmako
@fmakofmako 10 ай бұрын
@santiagoarce5672 thank you, I was able to find a better definition afterwards and that's exactly right.
@nicolascamargo8339
@nicolascamargo8339 10 ай бұрын
Wow interesante
@dreamlldays
@dreamlldays 10 ай бұрын
Your videos are amazing keep doing that and could u please say which tablet that u are using mate? thanks
@maths_505
@maths_505 10 ай бұрын
Samsung s6
@dreamlldays
@dreamlldays 10 ай бұрын
Thank u
@dzuchun
@dzuchun 10 ай бұрын
whoa! i feel like there's a certain video about 1-1/x being a rotation in hyperbolic space 😊 yeah, that was a nice connection ❤
@A2431A
@A2431A 10 ай бұрын
Now what does a PUTNAM mean 😂 It is so ridiculous to think that what may be the life of one may be insignificant to another. There might be some people who work their life to clear the PUTNAM exam while other have no idea it even exist The universe is relative And we're here cuz of maths!
@whatatimetobealive4865
@whatatimetobealive4865 10 ай бұрын
how do i integrate into society
@maths_505
@maths_505 10 ай бұрын
Nah not worth it ......
@ShadowGamingof
@ShadowGamingof 10 ай бұрын
Can't you just Laplace transform the equation?
@dzuchun
@dzuchun 10 ай бұрын
the only thing left is to proove that there exists at least one function solving that equation idk about you, but it's not obvious to me
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 10 ай бұрын
I proved it.
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 10 ай бұрын
Let f : R\{0, 1} -> R\{0, 1} such that f + (f ° g) = arctan, where g : R\{0, 1} -> R\{0, 1} such that g(x) = 1 - 1/x everywhere. The challenge is to find the Lebesgue integral of f on ]0, 1[. Notice, (g ° g)(x) = ((x - 1)/x - 1)/((x - 1)/x) = ((x - 1) - x)/(x - 1) = 1/(1 - x) everywhere, and so g ° g = g^(-1). Hence, f + (f ° g) = arctan is equivalent to both (f ° g) + (f ° g^(-1)) = arctan ° g and (f ° g^(-1)) + f = arctan ° g^(-1). As such, f ° g^(-1) = (arctan ° g^(-1)) - f, hence (f ° g) + ((arctan ° g^(-1)) - f) = arctan ° g, which is equivalent to f ° g = ((arctan ° g) - (arctan ° g^(-1))) + f, thus f + (((arctan ° g) - (arctan ° g^(-1))) + f) = arctan, which is equivalent to f = ((arctan - (arctan ° g)) + (arctan ° g^(-1)))/2. To find the Lebesgue integral on ]0, 1[ of arctan is a fairly well-known exercise. However, the integral of (arctan ° g) - (arctan ° g^(-1)) is much more difficult, since you cannot split it into two terms, because the integrals would diverge. Instead, one must work with integration by parts, with the choice to differentiate (arctan ° g) - (arctan ° g^(-1)) into g'/(1 + (g • g)) - (g^(-1))'/(1 + (g^(-1) • g^(-1))) = 1/((id • id) + ((id - 1) • (id - 1))) - 1/(((1 - id) • (1 - id)) + 1 = 1/(2 (id • id) - 2 id + 1) - 1/((id • id) - 2 id + 2), and the choice antidifferentiate the constant function 1 into id + c for some constant c.
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