A Hidden Corner of Gettysburg & a Chat with Ken Burns

A Hidden Corner of Gettysburg & a Chat with Ken Burns | History Traveler Episode 345

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We're back in Gettysburg, which happens to be one of our favorite historic places in the U.S., for The Gettysburg Film Festival. We're having a chat with documentary filmmaker Ken Burns and while we're here, taking a look at a part of the Gettysburg battlefield that most people don't even know exists. Much to see and learn!
This episode was produced in partnership with The Gettysburg Museum of History. See how you can support history education & artifact preservation by visiting their website & store at www.gettysburgmuseumofhistory...
Learn more about The Gettysburg Film Festival here: gettysburgfilmfestival.org
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All drone shots conducted by a Part 107 licensed drone pilot.
Photos courtesy of the Adams County Historical Society and the GNMP.

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@kdfox2007 10 күн бұрын

Ken Burns is exactly correct about the value of history. We are having an existential threat to democracy because too many of our citizens don’t have a clue about why we are the way we are.

@your_royal_highness 9 сағат бұрын

And, they do not care to learn. Not to mention history itself is not being taught in schools. Or what is taught is shallow and whitewashed.

@InnocentPotato-pd7wi 29 күн бұрын

Retired , here! 37 years teaching Special Education! When I visit Gettysburg , I make a bee line for Little Round Top! Col. Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, a former teacher and college professor was running low on supplies . Every teacher can definitely relate to that problem! He ordered his brave men of the 20th Maine to "Fix Bayonets!" He then led that charge down that famous hill! They captured many Confederates from Texas and Alabama! 😊😊😊🇺🇲🇺🇸🇺🇸

@tinlizzie 29 күн бұрын

Yes, Ken is so correct. If you don't know your history, you don't know yourself or your future! I love it.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Absolutely!!

@J.O.J.61 29 күн бұрын

💯👍🇵🇹🇺🇲

@thomasdragosr.841 28 күн бұрын

...and we are letting an ignorant group of people destroy our history every day.

@JamesClark-lw6sw 27 күн бұрын

@@thomasdragosr.841 PEOPLE LIKE BURNS HIMSELF.

@gordonhuskin7337 26 күн бұрын

@@thomasdragosr.841 and ken burns loves them! he shares their marxist ideology!

@FordMustangry-wu7mh 29 күн бұрын

I remember watching Ken Burns The Civil War, on PBS when I was a kid, and it helped cement my passion for the Civil War, listening to Shelby Foote was to me like listening around a camp fire to your grandfather's stories. Ken Burns brought attention back to the Civil War, people watched and wanted to know more, to see those actual places that so many on both sides gave thier lives for the ideas, beliefs, and feelings of the day. Again, job well done, you have hit your stride with these videos, and if you keep enjoying doing them, I and many others will enjoy watching them.

@dawndickson2156 29 күн бұрын

Ken Burns has such a way with words. His documentaries are captivating. How can one watch and not dive head first into history. And for anyone who has never been to Gettysburg GO! So much to take in. I live in PA. It is my favorite place to go.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Agreed.

@InnocentPotato-pd7wi 29 күн бұрын

Check out Antietam battlefield / Sharpsburg, MD. It is not too far FROM Gettysburg/ in Sharpsburg, MD! September 17,1862! 23,000 died in a single day! The bloodiest single day battle of the Civil War!

@johns8771 Күн бұрын

Ken Burns, in addition to making great documentaries, also has an amazing collection of hand sewn quilts.

@jeffdavis9687 29 күн бұрын

my Great Great Grandfather, Dana P. Horton, was a captain in the 154th NY Volunteers and was wounded in this battle. I have been there many times. This is a wonderful video. Thank you so much for this.

@Tld0026 29 күн бұрын

I’m American and visited just about everything there is to see in the US except Gettysburg. I grew up on the grounds of the battle of stones river and visited with my elementary school every year and that got me interested in the civil war. I’m putting Gettysburg on my to do list and getting there asap.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Amazing place!

@jaeves007 29 күн бұрын

Please go! I visit annually, I have fallen in love with the town. Come back when you decide to go if you need any advice!

@nanabutner 29 күн бұрын

What ever you do, be sure to go to LITTLE ROUND TOP at twilight! You know if you turn your head in either direction you will see many ghosts of the military men/women and you can feel the cannons and gunfire! It is very strange! Also dawn gives the same effects. My father who was so practical that he wasn’t phased if rain stopped in the middle of the street was effected by Gettysburg.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

@@nanabutner - I’ve been at Little Round Top at every hour of the day on multiple occasions. Many times by myself. No ghosts.

@nanabutner 29 күн бұрын

@@TheHistoryUnderground I am sorry but I know what I felt! There are ghosts there!

@miniaturefarmer464 10 күн бұрын

GW wanted to get back to his farm. He was a farmer at heart. Agriculture made this country.

@melissakhalar1842 29 күн бұрын

I love listening to and learning from intelligent well educated people that share their knowledge and wisdom. Thank You Mr. Ken Burns. ❤

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

🙏🏼

@johnstup4479 29 күн бұрын

Enjoyed listening to Tim Smith and Ken Burns. Thanks JD for bringing the words of these two men and history into our homes.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

👍🏻

@dbach1025 28 күн бұрын

I can not believe I get to watch Ken Burns meet JD. Burns is a lucky man. :) Great interview, JD. Burns is easily a national treasure. Thank you for sharing.

@TheHistoryUnderground 28 күн бұрын

Ha! Thanks.

@JazznRealHipHop 29 күн бұрын

The world will have a true loss when Ken goes to explore the un-documentable other side. Legendary. Thank you Tim Smith, History Underground and all those who seek to teach and enliven the past ❤

@tanker335 29 күн бұрын

We had a true loss when he kept quite when statues were being torn down. He should have been leading the charge to stop this nonsense.

@dg7708 29 күн бұрын

@tanker335 he is a huge lib, what did you expect?

@JazznRealHipHop 28 күн бұрын

@@tanker335 I assume he realizes monuments, especially ones erected during Jim Crow of southern criminals, are not the main way or only way we remember history. And how many of those statues were destroyed? Some yes but many were just moved.

@marcg.3830 28 күн бұрын

@@JazznRealHipHopmany many statutes were destroyed especially here in Richmond, VA, all because of the lie that was told in 2020 about a fentanyl addict.

@tanker335 28 күн бұрын

@@JazznRealHipHop Pardon me it I don't want a small cable of Marxist dictating who's worthy of being honored or not in the history books. And one statue destroyed by these clowns is one too many.

@jomcginnis6703 29 күн бұрын

Gettysburg was on my bucket list and was so glad to check it off. What an amazing experience. So beautiful and the history is overwhelming.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Love that place.

@jleechadwick 29 күн бұрын

I can't wait to see his series on the American Revoution, having had several 4 times great grandfathers who fought in it (no tories as far as I know). Dad gave me his love of history. I remember one of the first places we went after we moved to Virginia while Dad was stationed at the Pentagon--we went to the battle field at Manassas. I have to admit, when you live in the Washington DC area, you get the best field trips. I love a lot of different things, but history is my favorite subject to study.

@gordonhuskin7337 26 күн бұрын

Don't get your hopes up, Burns is a rabid communist

@craigcolandro2781 25 күн бұрын

@jleechadwick What you're going to get is a steady diet of Washington, Jefferson, etc... bad guys who owned slaves, some mistakes(Burns tends to make them in most of his Documentaries) and a little bit of actual history thrown in for good measure.

@julieknowles7063 29 күн бұрын

I've loved Ken Burns documentaries. Thank you for the interview.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

👍🏻

@aliciagutierrez2536 29 күн бұрын

Gettysburg is definitely on my bucket list of places to visit.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Heck of a place.

@lanemeyer9350 29 күн бұрын

I just went for the first time (49 years old), it was amazing. Fly into Baltimore and it’s an easy 1:15 drive. BOOK IT!

@jeffe9842 29 күн бұрын

Ken Burns' series on the Civil War was the first of several of his series that I watched. I had never seen anything done in the style of presentation that he used and, I was so intrigued, that, being in grad school at the time, I arranged my schedule so that I would have time free for each episode.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Nice.

@RealBanz 29 күн бұрын

Hey JD! I’m visiting Gettysburg from Texas this week. We visited Erik Dorr’s museum today and it was amazing. Great video as always. I really enjoy all your content.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Awesome! So glad that you enjoyed it.

@michaelmclaren7373 29 күн бұрын

What a wonderful opportunity to talk to Ken Burns - one of my personal heroes and IMO one of our finest filmmakers and storytellers working today. As someone holding a degree in history who often finds himself defending the “why” of it’s importance, his closing message was immaculate. Supremely grateful for this content and equally envious JD❤.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Thanks! Glad that I could share it.

@mikecollins9321 28 күн бұрын

He’s a commie

@jimplummer4879 29 күн бұрын

History and Civics were my favorite subjects in school and still are.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

👍🏻

@edking3427 29 күн бұрын

Excellent video. I only recently learned that my Great Great Grandfather was in the 154th NY and was captured at this battle. He survived CSA prison camps, was paroled and fought across Georgia with Sherman's army. It adds perspective to the battle and his capture.

@jeffdavis9687 29 күн бұрын

My great Great Grandfather was in the 154th also. They have a reunion every year and is great to attend..

@lanemeyer9350 29 күн бұрын

Meeting Ken must have have been a lifelong dream for you, that’s awesome. I LOVE this channel, kudus coming from Providence, RI! So much Civil War history here btw! Ambrose Burnside, Elisha Hunt Rhoads & Sullivan Ballou are all in one cemetery with George Sears Greene being buried 20 min away

@user-ct3uo5xu9x 29 күн бұрын

Congratulations J.D. you got Ken Burns on your Channel. I love Ken Burns documentaries

@user-yh8ee2ep4u 29 күн бұрын

Love going to Gettysburg my favorite place

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Heck of a place.

@yvetteosuna42 7 күн бұрын

Ken Burns 🔥 he really does kill it 💪 his docs are the Best!!

@GettysburgLentz 29 күн бұрын

Thank you for doing justice to the memory of the Brickyard Fight and all who fought there. Tim Smith is a wealth of knowledge and we as history enthusiasts are fortunate to have him. The Adams County Historical Society does a lot of great work and he is a significant contributor to that work.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Thanks! That was my first time visiting that part of the battlefield. Very fascinating history.

@DSToNe19and83 28 күн бұрын

Interviewing Ken burns… I’d say at this point you done did something! You’re top notch, “keep on keeping on” 🍻

@michaelayers3998 28 күн бұрын

Ken Burns’ work represents the best of America.

@wendelynanderson9517 21 күн бұрын

I grew up in Camp Hill & Lewisberry, just a stone’s throw from Gettysburg. ❤

@davidwilhelm3431 27 күн бұрын

Tim Smith is indeed a walking encyclopedia of knowledge about Gettysburg, whether it be the town and its civilians or the battle. He's an institution.

@TheHistoryUnderground 27 күн бұрын

👍🏻

@elizabethmckenna5397 28 күн бұрын

Gosh I just love your channel. I’ve visited Gettysburg a few dozen times. It’s about 4 hours or so away and I’ve driven there just to spend a day. This episode was great! So glad to see Ken Burns.

@TheHistoryUnderground 28 күн бұрын

Thanks! Appreciate that.

@swampyankee 29 күн бұрын

Tim's Monument Monday is a must see, a great, informative series.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Agreed.

@stevekunde123 29 күн бұрын

I have never heard of the brickyard fight before. Thanks for sharing it with us today.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@user-oe6bp9nf1j 26 күн бұрын

Great video! I am a big fan of Ken Burns work, but also his fabulous collection of historical quilts.

@Chiller11 29 күн бұрын

Boy looks like I’m first Fascinating interview with Ken Burns. I was fortunate in high school to have had compelling teachers in both American History and Civics. I still use much of what I learned in civics as I try to understand the workings of government and politics in the US, Canada, and the world.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Nice.

@jkinthewind 29 күн бұрын

I was lucky enough to be on a tour with Mr. Dunkelman and he gave us a bit of a "tour" of his mural. I was happy to see that he included a portrait of Amos Humiston in the mural. After his tour i had the privelege of walking with Mr. Dunkelman through the National Cemetery and showing him Amos' marker.

@PJ-bv9tc 27 күн бұрын

Wow. Ken Burns is brilliant! Great job JD!

@gordonhuskin7337 26 күн бұрын

Ken burns is a subversive leftist

@johnvoorhees7881 26 күн бұрын

Gettysburg is probably my favorite place that I've been to. You can feel the history. And yes it is haunted, although dude said before that it isn't. Yes it is, you can feel it. Cheers 🍻

@jhsams1977 28 күн бұрын

Thank you Tim and JD!

@sandramosley2801 29 күн бұрын

What great work.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Many thanks!

@Wreckdiver59 29 күн бұрын

I can never get enough of Gettysburg 👍 I've seen that mural, but never knew anything about it until now. I'm looking forward to seeing more about the film festival since I couldn't make it there this year.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

👍🏻

@77harris77 28 күн бұрын

Ken Burns lives in my hometown. I was involved in a book signing of his Civil War book.

@AdamLDavies 28 күн бұрын

Great video. And I agree with Ken at the end there, all history, good or bad, is important to understanding where we’ve been, how we got there and in some cases, how we don’t end up there again.

@sandrapersaud3105 27 күн бұрын

I love history, and I completely agreed with your comments.

@petermaerkel9140 27 күн бұрын

It was interesting to learn that Mr. Burns is in the process of working on a history of the Revolution. Thank you for this interesting video, J.D.!

@jacobmasters438 26 күн бұрын

Want to wager that it's full of political nonsense? Like the Revolution was only fought to "preserve slavery." This black lives matter nonsense has infected all aspects of society. Metro cities across the United States teach children that America is a "rotten country." Sad, very sad.

@craigcolandro2781 25 күн бұрын

@@jacobmasters438 You can bet on it being centered on Washington, Jefferson the bad guys who had slaves, etc.....Burns won't be able to help himself.

@donaldhelton9308 25 күн бұрын

What a big surprise,happy to hear Ken Burns.Glad to see him on here.Thank you

@ProjectPast1565 29 күн бұрын

The History Underground and Gettysburg are a perfect combination! What a cool experience it must have been meeting Mr Burns.

@kennethreese4659 29 күн бұрын

I loved Ken Burns documentary The War. I've watched that over and over many times.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

One of my favorites.

@jillthomas2547 29 күн бұрын

My dad grew up around York, PA, been there multiple times growing up, but have never been to Gettysburg. I grew up not far from Old Washington, OH where part of Morgan's Raid was. I love history

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Heck of a place!

@markchristman1076 25 күн бұрын

Have enjoyed Ken Burns series on the Civil War, also read Bruce Catton's trilogy. History Underground is able to go more places, more in depth than bigger productions. From South Mountain, MD to Hawaii, great job JD.

@deckerbob 14 күн бұрын

What a wonderful video, I hope you enjoyed interviewing Ken Burns as much as we enjoyed watchin, Cheers JD

@user-js6xj8hj2d 4 күн бұрын

I climbed big round top this week. Little was closed. No one but my family. Nice

@AC_86 29 күн бұрын

Always been fascinated with the history of the US & the civil war. Thankz for posting these videos. Aaron Belfast, Northern Ireland

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Thank you!

@TriciaLBarber 27 күн бұрын

I really like when you said why you started your channel. That is why I was a reenactor for many years with my teenage son. We are from Texas with only Confederate ancestors. But the crew we were with portrayed Union soldiers. Several times we got shamed for being Union in the South. But my answer was if everyone is Confederate how can we keep the history alive to teach it.

@vickistevens423 29 күн бұрын

Great video, as always. Tim Smith is indeed a wealth of information and I always learn something new from his video content. Outstanding interview with Ken Burns. So excited to be moving to Gettysburg this summer and am definitely looking forward to attending the Gettysburg Film Festival next year.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Awesome!

@davesexton5178 25 күн бұрын

Absolutely love your videos! Especially the Civil War episodes. My Great Great Grandfather immigrated from Germany and almost immediately enlisted in the 30th Ohio Company A. He was awarded the Medal of Honor for his Gallantry at the Siege of Vicksburg (Forlorn Hope). 1st Sergeant Andrew Schmauch. Keep them coming.

@robinburke2036 29 күн бұрын

Tim is a treasure. I think we need a monument dedicated to him ;-)

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Ha! I agree.

@randolphkersey5155 Күн бұрын

Well let's hope he is not from the south because they will destroy it.

@ruthgallagher1168 29 күн бұрын

Just got back from there. It is our favorite town.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Heck of a place.

@luskimo1 28 күн бұрын

to be able to talk to an American Legend is amazing....can't wait for his Revolution film...this makes your channel all the more

@lunchboxtheassassin 27 күн бұрын

One of my relatives served in the 154th NY in Co. H & was captured at Gettysburg. He died at Andersonville, so thank you for this

@williamfoulk7798 29 күн бұрын

I really like your videos in Gettysburg 👏👏👏

@TheHistoryUnderground 28 күн бұрын

Glad you like them!

@TheNinjaPicker 29 күн бұрын

Im sure it was a thrill for Ken Burns to meet you.

@dbicht 29 күн бұрын

Fantastic video. How wonderful to talk with Ken Burns. It is a must if traveling to Gettysburg to see the Adams County Historical Society. I was there last year and it was so informative. The exhibit Beyond the Battle lets you get an idea of what it is like to be living there during the battle. My GGreat Grandfather, Sgt Thomas Lunard Morgan, was with the PA 151st. His unit was known as the "Teachers Regiment". They were some of the first soldiers to encounter the Southern forces.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

👍🏻

@jaycoldren4284 29 күн бұрын

I watch a lot of your videos and I enjoy them very much. But this particular one is my new favorite. The story of Coster Ave with Tim Smith! The interview with Ken Burns! Loved your questions and his thoughtful answers. Thank you JD!

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoy it! Thanks!

@adriansantana7540 29 күн бұрын

21:16. Yes, history makes a person and the person make history.

@johnlarue2248 29 күн бұрын

Outstanding job on this! Going to have to try the film festival next year.

@s.p.3738 16 күн бұрын

Profound statement by Ken Burns at the end. If I were a teacher I would have my students recite it. The whole paragraph. We are losing our way one generation at a time.

@jonduggan7433 9 күн бұрын

Make sure to check out the Lincoln Diner right across the street from that theater in the beginning of this clip. Really good breakfast food at reasonable prices.

@tiffanyannhowe1712 24 күн бұрын

Oh my word that mural is outstanding.

@timferryA1 27 күн бұрын

Did not know that about J.A. Williams! Thanks!

@drewguild3879 28 күн бұрын

My Great Great Grandfather Sgt. Charles Guild NY154th was captured at that spot or very near there. This was a great homage to his efforts. Thank you History Underground. And, I'll certainly look up Tim Smith at the Museum. We visit Coster Avenue and the monument every time we can. Also the NY121st at LRT.

@lennytidwillow3666 25 күн бұрын

Thank you! Great information!

@NatalieD1255 26 күн бұрын

This was excellent! I have loved Ken Burns Documentaries for decades. He is an American treasure

@stevenstone1027 22 күн бұрын

Great video! Very educational! Thank you!

@Jerry-fn5nx 28 күн бұрын

That was really cool, the interview with Ken Burns. Can't wait until his new documentary about the revolution comes out. Also, love the forgotten spots and monuments at Gettysburg. Sad they can't be preserved any more than they can be

@EGSBiographies-om1wb 18 күн бұрын

Im about to watch *Baseball;A Ken Burns Film* for the first time.

@kathywinter7793 28 күн бұрын

We do not live far from Gettysburg. We will check this out. Grandsons will love it.

@larryburwell8550 28 күн бұрын

great video and great history as always. when i comes to the civil war, Ken Burns is the Man!!!! bar none

@Joyfulgrace7777 13 күн бұрын

Amen FDR and Lincoln my faves!! Truth!

@markbeames7852 10 күн бұрын

Shout out to CMSgt James Clouse, USAF (ret) now the Gettysburg National Battlefield Monument chief librarian.

@swampyankee 29 күн бұрын

Wonderfully thought out questions for Ken Burns, excellent JD!

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Thanks!

@wildshadowstar 27 күн бұрын

Ken Burns is the master of documentaries, like Stephen Spielberg or Martin Scorsese. Must have been a bucket list item for you to talk with him.

@dushanepowell3782 12 күн бұрын

Thank you for a great video.

@topthrilldragster20 29 күн бұрын

I was just in Gettysburg and i made a side trip to Antietam the next day. Wife wants to go back to Gettysburg

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Heck of a place. Plan on staying at least 3 days.

@EGSBiographies-om1wb 18 күн бұрын

WOW ! Matt Beat !

@mwdjr3158 25 күн бұрын

Fantastic as always!

@laurasmithson3922 24 күн бұрын

Thank you for this channel....from a middle school History teacher. 😊

@geoffthiessen646 28 күн бұрын

Thanks JD

@camdodge9891 28 күн бұрын

Hello JD great stuff awesome video thank you JD

@MarkWYoung-ky4uc 29 күн бұрын

Two companies of men from here in Stokes County, N.C. served in the 21st North Carolina Infantry as companies F and G. They along with the rest of the 21st took part in the fight at Kuhn's brickyard.

@mhgreen 29 күн бұрын

This is fantastic, thank you! Having grown up in Gettysburg, and more specifically, right around the corner from there, on Barlow St., I had no idea this was a thing. I hate to say this, but as kids in the early 80's, it was, to us, just a really nice place to play some soccer. I wish we had known that then.

@crosmas 28 күн бұрын

Brilliant, love it.

@joemabry9643 29 күн бұрын

Top notch. Thank you.

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Glad you liked it!

@pauldouglas3084 29 күн бұрын

Really enjoyed the video mate can't wait for the next one

@TheHistoryUnderground 29 күн бұрын

Thanks!

@bills6963 28 күн бұрын

Been there. Pretty cool. There’s a good video on KZfaq telling the detailed story of the painting.

@robyncooperramsey8323 25 күн бұрын

Outstanding video!

@justinweaver8107 26 күн бұрын

I dont comment on every vid but watch em none the less have a good weekend sir

@TheHistoryUnderground 26 күн бұрын

Thank you! That all helps.

@keithmitchell6918 28 күн бұрын

Civics & history - who would have thought? A renewed respect for Ken Burns. Well done Recondo - very dang cool. Hope its not too late for folks to learn...

@jacobmasters438 26 күн бұрын

Too bad he will continue supporting Democrats. All the while they lie about our nations past. Ken Burns lost me when he compared Ron Desantis actions against unhealthy literature in public schools by comparing him to "Nazi Germany and Adolf Hitler."